I’ll believe it when I see it


Carville: Pressure For 2016 “Prohibitive Frontrunner” Hillary Clinton “Unimaginable”

I think it’ll be unimaginable. I mean, if — I just go around the country and if there’s a Democrat that does not want her to run, I have not met them. Now she is her own person and seems perfectly willing to resist that kind of pressure, but in terms of encouragement, I don’t think there’s ever been anybody that is a prohibitive front-runner for a party’s nomination as former Secretary of State Clinton is right now. You can feel it out there wherever I go and whenever people talk to me, it’s the same thing.

I’ll believe it when I see it. I don’t doubt for a minute that she would be popular with the Democratic voters just as she was last time. But except for Ted Kennedy the people that screwed Hillary over in 2008 are still there and I expect the Vile Progs to turn on her like a bad dog.

CDS never dies.

OTOH I can’t think of any Democrat I’d rather vote for except maybe Bill and he can’t run again. Can you imagine Joe Biden as POTUS?


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108 Responses to I’ll believe it when I see it

  1. myiq2xu says:

    History indicates that 2016 should be a good year for the GOP, but the same thing applied to last year. Right now I don’t see any clear frontrunner on the Republican side.

  2. Somebody says:

    I think in 2016 after 8 years of Obama the major sentiment in the country will be for “any Republican”……….the psychology of the electorate will be similar to 2008.

  3. myiq2xu says:

    Via Legal Insurrection:

    Leave it to an academic to be totally ignorant of the workings of the economy. So let’s clue in Senator Warren about where those productivity gains came from and where the profits went to.

    If we’re talking about productivity gains across the entire economy, some of those gains came from higher-level skills acquired by workers. But that’s not the case for minimum-wage workers, because they are by definition unskilled. (The possession of a skill is precisely what makes it possible for a worker to command a higher wage.) For minimum-wage workers, productivity gains are the result of investment in new technology that allows businesses to get more value out of the same amount of unskilled labor. Think of a supermarket scanner versus the old system–which people over 40 can still remember–in which all prices had to be pasted manually onto grocery packaging and entered manually into a cash register by the cashier. In that old system, it took a lot more labor for the same unskilled or low-skilled worker to check out a customer.

    The profits from these productivity gains went mostly to the people who created them: the businesses who adopted new technologies and the inventors and entrepreneurs who developed them. Put simply, if Senator Warren wants to know “what happened to the other $14.75,” she might start by taking a stroll around Silicon Valley. The money went (among other places) to reward the inventors of productivity-enhancing computers and software. By the same token, if we were to mandate that all productivity gains must go to unskilled workers, we would eliminate all of those profits and kill any incentive to invest in higher productivity.

    • catarina says:

      Ellie’s Mom was all over that article yesterday. Prof. Jacobsen is just catching up to her now? 🙂

      • DeniseVB says:

        I’ve read stuff here before TheBreitbart Bigs get them 😀

      • elliesmom says:

        My husband participated in the invention of the bar code scanner so supermarket efficiency is a big topic in our house. It’s original use was in the medical research field, but it’s been interesting to him to see all of the other uses for it that have sprung up.Full disclosure – We were recipients of some of that “missing” $14. Being such a big fan of Elizabeth Warren, I hang on her every word./

    • swanspirit says:

      Now, Home Depot and other retailers are using SELF scanning and checkout , so even the cashier can be eliminated , or the numbers of them reduced , they may go the way of the person who used to pump gas at the “full service” pump .
      And who knows , very soon there may be an app for that on your smart phone too .

      • elliesmom says:

        The grocery store I go to gives me a hand scanner and a supply of bags when I enter the store. I scan my groceries and put them in the bags as I shop. When I’m done, I put the scanner in a holder, it transmits what I bought, accepts my credit or debit card, and prints out my receipt. You get a running total all through the process, it gives you credit for coupons if one is available, and you can pack your groceries the way you like them. I feel guilty because I know it’s depriving at least two people of a job, but I love it.

  4. myiq2xu says:

    I can’t handle all this excitement. I’m going back to bed.

  5. honoracarroll says:

    As a Maryland resident, I can tell you that Martin O’Malley does not want her to run. The guy is already picking out White House drapes! So of us, who have supported him before (at least against Bob Ehrlich), are sick of him treating the Maryland Governorship as a part-time job. He was instrumental in making sure Kathleen Kennedy Townsend did not will the governorship when she ran. I think he would do anything he could to stop Hillary and do it with a smile on his face.

    • swanspirit says:

      He is less popular than he used to be , after raising the gasoline tax , and the other 32 taxes he has either raised or imposed . I would prefer Ehrlich any day of the week . Ehrlich kept out the slot machines and gambling casinos .O’Malley helped bring them right in . I personally don’t think he has what it takes to make it in the national scene , but the Democratic machine is supporting him .

  6. DeniseVB says:

    If Hillary’s the Dem nominee, the GOP would be wise to run Susanna Martinez or Nikki Haley, both kickass lady Governors.

  7. yttik says:

    I’ve never seen the word “prohibitive” used this way. What’s a prohibitive front runner?

    • DeniseVB says:

      I caught that too and it sounded like “I dare you NOT to support her” 😉

    • t says:

      I had to look it up to see if there was some obscure definition that he was using. Nope. Expensive. He means she’d be the expensive forerunner. LOL.

    • Constance says:

      Yeah, there is something off about that statement.

    • Falstaff says:

      Prohibitive odds are extremely long (or short, depending). He’s saying that the current likelihood of her winning are huge.

  8. DandyTiger says:

    I suspect the Chicago OFA and new Chicago DNC does not want Hillary. I don’t think they have worked out if they want someone else, will reluctantly support Hillary, or will actively not support her.

    The Repubs have been neutered and are still lost. I suspect the uniparty kabuki machine hasn’t decided if they want to swing back to Repubs are just stick with their new Dem party.

    Both sides still hate the Clinton’s. And if there is any way to keep the prize from Hillary, both sides will work towards that. Sad but true.

  9. t says:

    Pressured? To run? By who? The establishment despises her. He may be working for the Clintons themselves. After Obamacare goes into full effect, I honestly don’t think any Democrat will be able to win for at least 30 years. Not even a Clinton. But if any Democrat would even have a tiny chance of winning in 2016, it would probably be a Clinton. If the economy is total crap by then, it’s very possible that she could win, because people would want the magical “peace and prosperity” to come back, so they’d feel that sucking on the Clinton teat would get that. But only if the powers that be allow her to run.

    • t says:

      If any Clinton has a chance at the presidency again, it will be Chelsie, IMHO. And I would not be even slightly surprised to see her run again at some point.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Chelsea needs to prop up her “servant’s heart” bonifides to be a serious candidate, I haven’t seen her swing in that direction other than embrace the 1% lifestyle. Caroline Kennedy failed miserably trying to just have the NY Senate seat handed to her.

    • gxm17 says:

      I’ve thought the same thing too. Once Obamacare kicks in, it will hurt any democrat who tries to run in 2016.

  10. wmcb says:

    Want to bring Benghazi and the entire middle east clusterfuck, including Libya, Arab Spring, Egypt, etc to the forefront? Run Hillary.

    Yeah, yeah, I know – she may or may not have supported a lot of that. Doesn’t matter. It’s like saying Condi could run untainted by Bush foreign policy. Nope.

    Not to mention the whole Obamacare debacle, which with Hillary’s long support of UHC is going to land in her lap as well. Again, makes no difference if she says she would have done it smarter. None at all.

    If Hillary runs, she will be running as Obama 2.0, not Bill 2.0. Whether she wants to or not, that’s what it will be, because she CANNOT distance herself from him for two reasons: 1) She was part of his administration, and 2) Any even mild attempt to critique how he did things is going to be slapped down HARD by the Dem party in the primaries. She will have to hail Obama to win the primary. Which will sink her in the general.

    The Clinton Dems got neutralized, but good, by assenting to go along with Obama. Any attempt now to say, “We’re different” is going to be nigh impossible. The vile progs made sure of that, by keeping their enemies close. They are vile. not stupid. Well, stupid when it comes to running a country, but very very good at political manuevering.

    Sorry, but centrist Dems are toast IMHO. They will not be able to convince the country they are “centrist” in the slightest, after their behavior over the last 5 years. That includes Hillary.

    • wmcb says:

      If the Clinton Dems had endeavored to maintain at least SOME status as loyal opposition within the party, had staked out their bonafides as distinct from the vile progs, they might have survived. They didn’t. Whatever their personal views, they closed ranks and shut their mouths and picked up the pompoms. Sucks to be them, because that was a bad, bad move. They are now untrustworthy to any thinking person who opposes the batshit progs. Because they failed to stand up to them AT ALL.

    • lyn5 says:

      Honk! I agree with those who think Hillary should have stayed in the Senate. Also, the Democrats have cornered the low-information-voter market, and I doubt those people would vote for Hillary.

    • Constance says:

      I agree with both of you, wmcb and lyn5

    • Blessyourheart says:

      My god you’re stupid. You know who gives a shit about Benghazi? You and the other 33% of kool aid drinking tea bags who live in your crazy little echo chambers and hitch your wagon to every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike from the leaders of teabagistan at Breitbart or the daily caller. You are really pathetic. I would feel sorry for you if you weren’t also a hateful little fascist. Oh well, keep it up. You’re only making Hillary’s win more inevitable by alienating anyone with a smidgen of common sense and and human decency.

      • 49erDweet (D) says:

        Hate that when the diarrhea kicks in.

      • wmcb says:

        I’m laughing my ass off at the supporter of those who wish to control and monitor and “improve” everyone’s lives calling me a fascist.

        Clue: the person NOT wishing to control everyone’s lives is not the fascist here, cupcake. That would be the vile progs like you.

        Nice to hear you don’t care about the turmoil in the ME, though, or the sacking of embassies, or dead personnel, or the curious fact that your precious “anti-war” prezzy is arming thugs all over the globe. Wasn’t Obama’s Libya invasion a grand success? Yay, lots of arms floating around with NO CLUE who the hell has them or what their plans are! Tribal groups being slaughtered, African Libyans being oppressed, the whole thing a big destabilized clusterfuck – but YAAAAY for the cocky little CIC, who invaded a country with no thought to the consequences. Human decency? Don’t make me laugh. Hey, let’s arm some Syrians and Egyptian extremists, too! Woooo! Soon they’ll be stoning women and hanging gays just like Iran! Yay Obama!

        The entire Middle East is a huge stinking mess, the extremists are terrorizing the rest, and we are LESS popular there than during the Bush years. But yeah, you don’t care about that, do you? Because unicorns and ponies!

        It’s amusing how you always think you said something incisive and biting, when in truth all you did is reveal yourself to be all about “YAY OBAMA! (and fuck anything else.)”

        Yeah, he’s your little godling leading you to the imaginary utopia – and you really don’t care what you have to trash or who he kills to get there. Because you BELIIIEEEEVE! Gotcha. You made that clear.

    • DandyTiger says:

      Agree. She would be Obama 2.0. No way around it. She was part and parcel of this admin including the middle east and obamacare.

  11. piper says:

    Don’t forget the long knives will be sharpened by Meanchelle and Val Jar. Obama will do his usual playing golf while his minions do the nasty in order to preserve his ‘legacy.’

  12. Constance says:

    They can’t be stupid enough to think Biden could win?!

    • sleepyhead says:

      Are you kidding? There is a vocal minority out there touting Michelle as either Pres or VP candidate. I’d look for links but I’m already nauseated just thinking about that.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Biden could win in the environment that gave Obama a second term.

      I’m still in shock over that, especially Obama beating the best Presidential candidate I’ve seen from either party in my lifetime

  13. Constance says:

    What needs to happen is the states need to take control of their Electoral votes so they split them among parties rather than winner take all. It should be very possible in the western states that have peoples initiatives on the ballot.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Virginia tried to award EV’s based on district wins, but got shot down as being racist. Go figure.

      • Constance says:

        I think we could do it in Washington with an Initiative on the ballot. The parties are never going to go for it but if it got to the ballot I think The People would pass it. Only the smallest sliver of Washington is blue and the folks in Red Washington are sick of being neutered by a concentration of Obots in the west.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Abso-freaking-lutely ! It would even get rid of the less than serious 3rd party effect of sucking votes off the main parties, or, it could even make them viable. Got to pressure the state level changes.

    • HELENK says:

      one difference was the education of the citizenship in Nixon’s time. Now the ayres school has been so invasive in most schools the the grads do not even know what is expected of a president and what is lawful and what is not

    • DandyTiger says:

      Oh crap. Yeah, I think I agree with that article. Yep, time to man the lifeboats.

  14. HELENK says:


    well why not, backtrack gives money every day to people who hate us, so give some to people who don’t

  15. ABG says:

    LOL. So Hillary runs and you flip back and support her again. How ridiculously typical is that. Meanwhile, this has all worked out pretty much the way I thought it would. Obama will transition to Hillary and the heads of folks like you guys will explode.

    I can’t believe you are still going at it over here. Do PUMAs still exist even? lol

    • myiq2xu says:

      My problems with Hillary have to do with her job performance. Her involvement in what happened in Benghazi and the cover-up that followed had a negative effect on my opinion of her but I still consider her one of the best leaders in the nation. But “best in the nation” is a category devoid of solid competition, particularly on the left.

      If I vote for Hillary in 2016 (assuming she runs) that will be because I consider her to be the best available option. But if she wins she will not be Obama II, she will be Hillary I.

    • DandyTiger says:

      ABG, What happened to Hillary (and Bill) being the most evil racists on the planet (during the ’08 Dem primaries)? Talk about flipping back.

    • wmcb says:

      So were you lying then, when you saw Hillary as the evil racist bitch queen who would destroy the country, or are you lying now? Or is it just whatever position is convenient to expand progressive power?

      Power is always the only goal for people like you. Everything else, every principle, every utterance is merely an expendable means.

    • HELENK says:

      I have a question for you. Why aren’t you so pissed that you are getting screwed a lot worse then me? You were and are being played for a sucker every day backtrack is in office. How is that black unemployment rate doing. How much good education is being taught in schools in minority districts? What future does backtrack promise the young black boys and girls? Why are you so willing to be used?

  16. HELENK says:

    do not think I could vote for Hillary Clinton if she ran again. Some of her decisions were very disappointing
    no to go for a floor vote during the 2008 convention

    to work for backtrack, she had to know she would be used and scapegoated

    but the most difficult to accept was
    WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE when talking about Benghazi

    • swanspirit says:

      That put me off as well . I would vote for Rubio over Hillary

      • Somebody says:

        I think Rubio is the R establishment heir apparent and that bothers me. I’m a Floridian too, which I know sounds odd because I should be gaga over the prospects of a Rubio administration. To be fair to Rubio, unlike Obama he actually worked while in state office…….but from what I know he was Jeb’s protege. Although there seems to be a bit of a power struggle now between the two.

        Maybe it’s just the rebel in me that resists anything from the establishment, LOL! I do feel like Rubio is being prepped in much the way Obama was. To be fair to Rubio he will also have served more time in the Senate and has actually worked as a Senator……but something inside me hesitates because he really seems like the establishment’s golden boy, at least right now.

      • foxyladi14 says:

        Not NBC can’t be POTUS like Cruz Jindal and Obama 🙂

    • Constance says:

      “What difference does it make” was really a stupid comment and is perfect for future anti Hillary ads. I would like to see the first woman President be a successful Republican Governor. Talk about heads exploding!

    • Somebody says:

      Yes it will hurt people that really need it, but part of the problem is that there are LOTS of people on it that don’t really need it.

  17. myiq2xu says:


    I fell asleep and a couple trolls snuck in and crapped on the rug.

  18. myiq2xu says:

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    I haven’t felt this feeling since I accidentally used Ben Gay on jock itch.

    Chestnuts roasting on an open fire . . .

  19. DeniseVB says:

    My next husband will definitely be a gay man 😀

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