Those F**king Kids!

How do you go pee out of that thing?

How do you go pee out of that thing?


Federal judge lifts restrictions on sale of morning-after pill

A federal judge has ordered the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to lift age and other restrictions on the sale of the morning-after pill, making the drug available over the counter and to women of all ages.

The ruling by U.S. District Court Judge Edward Korman reverses a 2011 decision by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius not to allow the sale of emergency contraception without a prescription for women 16 and younger.

The news will likely prompt a backlash from conservative groups that oppose young women’s access to birth control without the involvement of their parents. Many of these groups also see the morning-after pill as equal to abortion.

Korman blasted Sebelius’s 2011 order as “obviously political” and designed to avoid a fight with religious groups ahead of the 2012 presidential election.

“Even with eyes shut to the motivation for the Secretary’s decision, the reasons she provided are so unpersuasive as to call into question her good faith,” Korman wrote.

“She has failed to offer a coherent justification for denying the over-the-counter sale of levonorgestrel-based emergency contraceptives to the overwhelming majority of women of all ages who may have need for those drugs.”

The most recent decision means that, barring further legal proceedings, the FDA will make “Plan B” and other versions of the morning-after pill available over the counter to all women within 30 days.

This is one of those areas where ideals and morals crash headlong into common sense.

No responsible parent wants their fourteen and fifteen year old daughters to engage in sexual intercourse. But some of them do. Usually it is consensual but not always. They also smoke, drink alcohol and use drugs. Frequently those activities are done in combination with each other.

Teenagers are both rebellious and horny as dogs in heat. That’s Mother Nature’s fault and she doesn’t understand concepts like “age of majority”. For most of human history “adult” meant “post-pubescent”. Once girls started menstruating they were old enough to get married.

Having been a teenage boy and the father of a teenage daughter I know know what both sides look like. While we don’t want our teens having sex, if they are gonna do it anyway then we want them to be smart and responsible about it. We want them to act like adults.

If a 15 year old girl needs Plan B then it’s a little too late for abstinence. She’s obviously had unprotected sex. She can wait and find out if she’s pregnant but then she has to choose between motherhood, adoption and abortion. Medical science has provided a fourth option but only if she acts quickly.

If she didn’t feel comfortable asking your permission to have sex it’s doubtful she’ll ask you if she can take the morning-after pill. If we want teens to behave responsibly then we have to give them the same options as a responsible adult.

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58 Responses to Those F**king Kids!

  1. HELENK says:

    I too had one son but i had three daughters so i can understand your point of view.
    My biggest concern is not moral, that is none of my business but the medical end of this. Every day there are ads for medicines and when they list the side effects most of them are worse then the sickness you take the medicine to cure.
    what are the side effects for young girls who are still growing?
    If a young girl take the pill and has a severe reaction will she go to her parents? I know young girls that did not admit they were pregnant until the kid was being born so they had no medical treatment during the pregnancy.

    • votermom says:

      I’m with Helen.
      Also – a lot of underage pregnancies are the result of abuse, exploitation, and even incest.
      Can’t help thinking that easy access to plan B simply enables this.
      If a person is a minor, there must be a parent/guardian/someone in loco parentis.

  2. DeniseVB says:

    Looks like there could be great risk to young developing teens if used too often, it’s a mighty powerful hormone dose, especially if they pop them like M&M’s.

  3. bluestate says:

    this was one of the nastiest things obama has done to women. he passed off the blame on sebelius – and the lapdog feminists bought that crap. glad it’s being overturned. birth control pills should be otc too.

    • Constance says:

      Lapdog feminists are really, really stupid. That is why women’s position in the world is moving backwards, we are losing rights. I’ve started calling myself Pro-woman because I don’t want to be associated with them.

      • myiq2xu says:

        I am pro-equality. I want full equality for everyone regardless of gender, race, religion or sexual orientation.

      • bluestate says:

        yes they are pathetic, but i’m reluctant to let them have that word feminist all to themselves

  4. yttik says:

    I think this is a terribly unfair ruling, myiq. Parents are responsible for their child’s health, for the financial responsibility, too. Most of them also will bear the moral/emotional burden if anything goes wrong. BC pills, the morning after pill, are not completely safe with no side effects. You can wind up with blood clots, infection, stroke, excessive bleeding, etc, etc. I tried taking the pill twice and wound up in the hospital. To make this medication casually available to children who lack the uh, frontal lobe development needed to be trusted to own property or vote, is dangerous. Kids, even 16-17 yr olds, don’t yet understand life and death consequences and often think they’re invincible.

    I can’t buy a darn nasal decongestant without ID because the Gov is afraid I like the good sense not to start making meth amphetamines, but a 13 year old girl can hormonally shock her body into rejecting a pregnancy with no parental or medical supervision? To me that says that as a society, we have no respect for girl’s bodies.

    • myiq2xu says:

      This is one of those things where no matter what we do some people will be adversely affected. There are arguments on both sides and I am not disagreeing with anything you said. But I believe that on the balance the judge made the right call.

      • myiq2xu says:

        What would you do if your 15 y.o. daughter said “Mom, I need Plan B”?

        Would you get angry? Would you punish her? Would you interrogate her?

        Not all parents would react the same. Some would freak out.

        • HELENK says:

          after a friend of ours daughter did not tell her she was pregnant until she went into labor, I talked to my daughters and explained that the health care was the most important thing that was needed if they ever found themselves in the same situation. I could scream later but doctor first and they would be loved always and so would the baby

    • bluestate says:

      pregnancy and abortion pose far more risks

    • Somebody says:

      Well I’d like to know the risks of this medication also, that’s my only reservation. I agree there are also risks with to pregnancy and abortion, not to mention the STD’s that can come with unprotected sex.

      I was always open and frank about sex with my kids. My son, the oldest mostly ignored me, but I noticed he eventually put a hurting on the Sam’s wholesale pack of condoms I quietly left in his room. My oldest daughter has always run screaming from any conversation about sex, but she’s super religious, took a ridiculous purity pledge that forbids even hand holding… a result will probably never have sex. My older two are both in their late 20’s. My youngest is 13, the one that went through cancer treatment. I’ve been just as frank with her as the other two, except she’s not shy, she’s asked some questions, it’s all a matter of fact kind of thing. I feel certain she would come to me if she needed help. We’re really close, cancer treatment created a very special bond…….but I do understand not every parent has such a relationship with their children, in fact many don’t.

      On the flip side of the coin. I grew up in the church lady’s house. My mother honestly believed tampons a sin and if she found your stash you would be severely punished. I never, ever would have asked her anything. When I was 16 she handed me some stupid book about the coming changes my body might go through. OMG, she was a few years too late, luckily I had older sisters. A young girl living in a home like mine is on her own…….I know, I know they should practice abstinence and money should grow on trees.

      Are these pills at least going to be behind the counter like decongestants are??? Is there any kind of weird buzz kids can get from abusing them??? I know that sounds bizarre, but when you have kids huffing draino, I’m just saying.

      • myiq2xu says:

        I once knew a girl who told me she was a 19 year old virgin going to a church college when she discovered sex. Shortly afterward she dropped out of school and spent a couple years embarrassing the hell out of her parents.

        (When I met her she was in her 30’s and had calmed down a little bit.)

    • elliesmom says:

      We have no respect for girls in general. I’m the mom of a boy and a girl, I have over 40 years in the Girl Scouts, and I’ve taught over 2000 adolescents. I’m the grownup your kids talk to when they aren’t talking to you. Thirteen year old girls are going to “rainbow parties” every Saturday night. Every girl has her own distinctive shade of lipstick, and at the end of the evening, the boy with the most colors on his penis wins. There is absolutely nothing in this for the girls – except acceptance into the next rainbow party. They don’t dare ask for sexual gratification for themselves because the only way the boys would agree would be to have sexual intercourse. The kids don’t think oral gratification is “sex” because they won’t become pregnant. Suggest to the boys that “turnabout is fair play”, and they will tell you that idea is “disgusting”. Young girls are learning sex is something they must offer to be accepted, that’s it’s OK for only boys to get any pleasure from it, and that they are interchangeable sexual vessels.

      While I agree young women may be better off with Plan B than pregnancy or abortion, they are taking Plan B after having sex and before they know they are going to become pregnant, and that may mean a Plan B pill once or twice a week. Requiring a prescription to purchase it at least triggers a doctor’s awareness that a more reliable form of long term birth control is warranted.

      But the bigger issue really isn’t pregnancy. We seem to have thrown up our hands on the whole teenage sex issue. We have accepted they’re going to have sex and have limited our concern to keeping the girls from getting pregnant. We only worry about girls being pressured into performing sexual acts of any kind if the guys are significantly older. The truth is most 13 and 14 year old girls are being pressured by 13 and 14 year old boys. I can tell you they are not ready. FTR, I told my 13 year old son if I caught him putting his penis in the mouth of a girl before he and she were legally adults, I would personally cut it off for him. And he sent his friends to me, even after that, to get answers to questions they were too afraid to ask anyone else so I don’t think I did any permanent damage to his sex life. His wife has a perpetual smile on her face.

      • myiq2xu says:

        We live in a society that encourages promiscuity for women at all ages. The idea of “saving it for marriage” is mocked as some quaint Victorian notion.

        • elliesmom says:

          I didn’t say “saving it for marriage”. I said 13 and 14 year olds aren’t ready. There’s a big difference there. I don’t think the boys are any more ready than the girls, but we aren’t asking the boys to fill their bodies with chemicals on top of dealing with the emotional issues that go along with sexual intimacy. Actually, my biggest hurdle in discussing these issues with the kids I talk to is there is no longer any intimacy involved in sex for them. When a high school senior asks for advice about birth control, I don’t have a lot of problem with that, but when a 13 year old asks what she’d did wrong when performing oral sex because the boy she was doing it to “doesn’t like her anymore”, I have issues. In sex ed classes we teach kids a lot more about “how” than we ever have before, but we teach them nothing about “why”. A friend’s daughter who is a senior in high school and has been dating the same guy throughout tells me that now it has been established they will not be going to the same college in the fall, he thinks they should start having sex. Because they will be dating other people soon. She can’t figure why if he believes the relationship is ending, it’s a good time to start having sex. Neither can I, but if they had been having a sexual relationship after having dated for three years and expected their relationship to continue, I would understand that.

    • votermom says:

      ITA with yttik & elliesmom.

    • votermom says:

      As yttik poinst out, a 13 yo is usually just past menarche – but a massive dose of estrogen at unknown intervals won’t have effects?
      The federal judge is engaging in unethical drug testing on juveniles, imo.

  5. swanspirit says:

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    • catarina says:

      Only one setting for size? That is terrible. In this day and age of when we want it and how we want it, how hard is it to come up with an adjustable setting for the width of my slices


    • myiq2xu says:

      For decades I have been trying to come up with an ideal way to slice a banana. “Use a knife!” they say. Well…my parole officer won’t allow me to be around knives. “Shoot it with a gun!” Background check…HELLO! I had to resort to carefully attempt to slice those bananas with my bare hands. 99.9% of the time, I would get so frustrated that I just ended up squishing the fruit in my hands and throwing it against the wall in anger. Then, after a fit of banana-induced rage, my parole officer introduced me to this kitchen marvel and my life was changed. No longer consumed by seething anger and animosity towards thick-skinned yellow fruit, I was able to concentrate on my love of theatre and am writing a musical play about two lovers from rival gangs that just try to make it in the world. I think I’ll call it South Side Story.

      Banana slicer…thanks to you, I see greatness on the horizon.

    • OMG, that is hilarious!

    • Pics are also priceless! Geez, thank you for sharing. I haven’t laughed so hard I snorted in a long time.

    • DeniseVB says:

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      Ordering one for my nephew who’s in the air force in California. He’s been using an old slinky to slice his banana’s. He should really enjoy this product!

    • swanspirit says:

      9 of 11 people found the following review helpful
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      Everyone and their mother is complaining about the slicer not working on half the bananas. You need to buy a second slicer and turn it upside down. Now you can slice both left- and right- oriented bananas. But, it will be twice the expense. So make sure you really need it I guess. Personally, I have found the same trick works with a solid butter knife- have a knife one in each hand, in case you get a leftie banana. But the principle is the same.

  6. HELENK says:

    this is the same guy that charges the secret service rent when they are protecting him.

    the first one Chuck Hagel said he would return 5%of his salary to the treasury. then kerry said he would give 5% to charity. now others are saying they will give 5% to charity. my question isn’t giving to charity tax deductible so where is the sacrifice?

  7. HELENK says:

    I saw this story in several different places and my first thought is please do not go swimming where these are the lifeguards

  8. yttik says:

    Something that has really bothered me for a long time, is this cultural idea that the worst thing that can happen to a teen girl is a pregnancy. Both the left and the right seem to believe that. Needless to say, pregnancy is NOT the worse thing that can happen to a young girl. There’s a whole lot of other scary things, HIV, domestic violence, drug overdose, rape, death. People seem to have this idea like, at least she isn’t pregnant, so no harm done! Well, there is a lot of harm done to girls regardless of their ability to access birth control.

    Also, I think this attitude is really demeaning to those teen moms who do chose to raise children. We treat them like the greatest social ill ever, like evidence of sin and society’s failure. We blame them for everything from poverty to crime to the economy. What is the politically correct thing to do these days? Swallow a pill so nobody has to be exposed to your “shame.” And oh yeah we do shame teen moms! Just ask Bristol Palin.

    • HELENK says:

      if the family stands by the girl it can work out well. I do not mean that grandmom raises the kid. grandmom teaches mom how to raise the kid. Mom has to continue to get an education for a path out of poverty.
      It does end the childhood of mom and sometimes growing up is a b–tch. Mom also has to learn that one is enough until she is in a position raise more.
      what many people do not think about is that grandchild can be so precious and become your heart

    • westcoaster says:

      as Barry said: “I don’t want them punished with a baby”, talking about his daughters.

    • While acknowledging that this culture still has some growing up to do when it comes to young women and sex, I think the shame is for the child. It is a terrible thing to do a child to have it raised by a 14 or even a 16 year old, and there’s no way around that. The child comes into the world with such a cultural and economic deficit, and that can’t be remedied unless the teen mother performs flawlessly, which rarely happens. And that really is a shame.

      Young women (and their partners) should absolutely think twice before doing that to a child (but ultimately the choice is the female’s, so she bears a greater responsibility). And they might if they felt like that had empowering cultural options and a viable career path, especially those women in poverty. And, of course, if they understood the consequence, which most don’t. Babies for most of these young women are paths to independence, especially a way to secure an independent living space and the economics required to support that.

      They want that because they want freedom of action, and that’s a symptom of how our cultural sexism is still in play. They are rebelling against our tendency to hold our girls to a different standard than we do our boys. The pressure on girls and women to make choices other people want for them, instead of those they make themselves, is intense for their entire lives. Not so much with boys, who are often on their own by 18, 22 at the latest.

      • elliesmom says:

        The best defense against teenage pregnancy is not birth control. It’s giving a girl the opportunity to make a plan for herself and helping her know she has the resources to make it happen. And it has to start earlier than high school. The cultural pressures on young girls to become sexually active, no matter what the cost to them is, are strong. I think they may be stronger than the pressures to remain a virgin until marriage were 60 years ago. Becoming half of a “couple” before they have the opportunity to have a plan for themselves has derailed a lot of women, pregnant or not.

        • Agreed. Basically what I said here:

          And they might if they felt like that had empowering cultural options and a viable career path, especially those women in poverty.

        • myiq2xu says:

          I have often read that female promiscuity is inversely linked to the father-daughter relationship. Girls who have a good relationship with their fathers (or a father-figure) are less likely to seek approval from boys.

          I sure can’t hurt.

  9. myiq2xu says:

    Trayvon Martin’s parents settle wrongful death claim for $1 million: report

    Trayvon Martin’s parents have settled a wrongful death claim for an amount believed to be more than $1 million against a Florida homeowners association where their teen son was killed, Fox News reports.

    Trayvon was shot and killed by Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, 2012.

    Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder, but he says he fired in self defense after the 17-year-old attacked him.

    In paperwork made public, both parties specified that they would keep the settlement amount confidential, The Orlando Sentinel reported.

    Based on the facts that I am aware of if I was on the civil jury I wouldn’t give them anything.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Does this mean GZ won’t go to trial ? He’s only been charged, not convicted. Thought a civil suit trial comes after ?

      • myiq2xu says:

        This was a civil suit against the homeowners association. GZ is still being prosecuted and the Martin family is probably still pursuing a civil suit against him.

    • DandyTiger says:

      Sounds like the HOA believed all the insane hype and propaganda and got convinced not to court. Idiots.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Wait til they find out Obama wants to cap how much you can save in an IRA. Surely a few hardworking progs will be upset.

    • Glenn Greenwald may be the most honest journalist on the left, but that’s not saying much since he continues to misconstrue so much of conservative ideology, I suspect over his bruised gay ego. But he nailed it here:

      STEP ONE: Liberals will declare that cutting social security and Medicare benefits – including raising the eligibility age or introducing “means-testing” – are absolutely unacceptable, that they will never support any bill that does so no matter what other provisions it contains, that they will wage war on Democrats if they try.

      STEP TWO: As the deal gets negotiated and takes shape, progressive pundits in Washington, with Obama officials persuasively whispering in their ear, will begin to argue that the proposed cuts are really not that bad, that they are modest and acceptable, that they are even necessary to save the programs from greater cuts or even dismantlement.

      STEP THREE: Many progressives – ones who are not persuaded that these cuts are less than draconian or defensible on the merits – will nonetheless begin to view them with resignation and acquiescence on pragmatic grounds. Obama has no real choice, they will insist, because he must reach a deal with the crazy, evil GOP to save the economy from crippling harm, and the only way he can do so is by agreeing to entitlement cuts. It is a pragmatic necessity, they will insist, and anyone who refuses to support it is being a purist, unreasonably blind to political realities, recklessly willing to blow up Obama’s second term before it even begins.

      STEP FOUR: The few liberal holdouts, who continue to vehemently oppose any bill that cuts social security and Medicare, will be isolated and marginalized, excluded from the key meetings where these matters are being negotiated, confined to a few MSNBC appearances where they explain their inconsequential opposition.

      STEP FIVE: Once a deal is announced, and everyone from Obama to Harry Reid and the DNC are behind it, any progressives still vocally angry about it and insisting on its defeat will be castigated as ideologues and purists, compared to the Tea Party for their refusal to compromise, and scorned (by compliant progressives) as fringe Far Left malcontents.

      STEP SIX: Once the deal is enacted with bipartisan support and Obama signs it in a ceremony, standing in front of his new Treasury Secretary, the supreme corporatist Erskine Bowles, where he touts the virtues of bipartisanship and making “tough choices”, any progressives still complaining will be told that it is time to move on. Any who do not will be constantly reminded that there is an Extremely Important Election coming – the 2014 midterm – where it will be Absolutely Vital that Democrats hold onto the Senate and that they take over the House. Any progressive, still infuriated by cuts to social security and Medicare, who still refuses to get meekly in line behind the Party will be told that they are jeopardizing the Party’s chances for winning that Vital Election and – as a result of their opposition – are helping Mitch McConnell take over control of the Senate and John Boehner retain control of the House.

      Note that even if Boehner and his GOP caucus refuse the deal, that won’t make Greenwald look any more favorably on people he perceives as monsters, who are, in fact, human, and whose ideas & concerns, while often poorly verbalized, are legitimate and fair. To him they will still be the racist-homophobic-xenophobic-sexist-awful-neanderthals he wants them to be, the party of old white men even as the party continues to broaden and compromise. That’s because he’s poisoned. He has many good ideas, but a worse case of cootie-itis.

  10. HELENK says:

    this should get interesting.

    presidents come and go, the church has stood for over 2000 years

  11. HELENK says:

    here is the other side of the coin. woman gets 50 years for leaving her newborn outside in freezing weather.
    this is a 32 year old woman not a kid and she had the option in her state to taking the child to a hospital or firehouse and leaving it there in a safe haven

  12. t says:

    Good for the judge. By the time the teen gets access to Plan B via Mom and Dad, it would most likely be too late. As for side effects, so many of the drugs they take and choices they make are bad for them, stunt their growth, etc. Think of the drugs we adults pump into them for “ADHD,” “depression,” etc., all of those things that may just be phases of growing up.

    I have heard that Plan B makes you feel kind of sick. I doubt that girls are going to be taking it twice a week as some fear. Once might be enough to get them to the doctor for some birth control.

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