Piled Higher And Deeper


Ian Welsh:

Why Hackers Get More Jail Time Than Rapists

Rapists uphold the social status quo. Hackers, especially the idealistic ones, subvert it. They are far, far more dangerous to important people (who have staff and bodyguards) than rapists are.

Such a short post, and yet so much bovine excrement. I don’t recall when I last saw it piled higher and deeper.

First of all, computer hackers do not usually get more jail time than rapists. I’m not saying that it has never happened, I’m just saying it’s not typical. Hacking is usually treated as a minor offense, while rape is treated as a serious felony.

When you see hackers getting hit with more than a wrist slap and probation it has to do with the harm they caused. The guy who hacked Sarah Palin’s email account was facing up to 50 years, but he was only sentenced to a year in jail. He only got that much because it was a high profile case and the judge decided to make an example of him.

Where longer sentences for hacking would be appropriate are cases that involve fraud, theft, economic harm or some other injury. If someone steals hundreds of thousands of dollars by hacking the real offense is not the hacking, it’s the stealing. Stealing government secrets is a serious offense even if you do it the old fashioned way. Bradley Manning is not charged with hacking, he’s charged with disclosing classified information.

But that is not the worst pile of bovine excrement in Welsh’s post.

Progworld is a really strange place, kinda like Looking-Glass Land as seen by George Orwell on bad acid. They hold some truths to be self-evident that are completely loony here in the real world. Only in Progworld can you assert that “Rapists uphold the social status quo” and not get treated with scorn and derision.

I don’t know where the idea originated but in prog/feminist circles there is a widely held belief that men like rape. That is bullshit. Yes, some men are rapists, but the vast majority of men despise the small minority that are rapists. Even in prisons, where murderers enjoy high status, rapists are only slightly less reviled than child molesters. They have to be kept segregated from the other inmates for their safety.

While upper-class women and girls may enjoy generally safer lives than their lower-class sisters, rich girls get raped too. A rich boy who commits rape may have a better chance of getting away with it, but that’s only because rich kids have a better chance of getting away with all crimes.

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53 Responses to Piled Higher And Deeper

    • DeniseVB says:

      Wow, I just finished reading that. Still, I hate to see Gatewaypundit go conspiracy theory, but it seems Obama is doing just as described.

      • driguana says:

        Yeah, but this guy raised his voice some time ago and it gets really good if you go and read some of Piven’s stuff…The truth is a slippery thing these days and sometimes there is only a thin veil between conspiracy theory and the reality of what is being manipulated around us.

        • DeniseVB says:

          If we had transparency in this administration, there wouldn’t be so much tinfoil. An honest media would help too. The facts are there……Obama’s doing exactly what Piven described. Funny that the author didn’t remember him, huh?

    • elliesmom says:

      What I don’t understand is how Obama doesn’t seem to have had any classmates at Columbia. No one has stepped forward to say “I wrote a paper with him” or “we were in the same study group”. I don’t remember all of my classmates at college, but I’m sure everybody is remembered by someone. One of my fellow classmates went on to become rather famous, and all of us who shared classes with him found him to be memorable from day one.

  1. DeniseVB says:

    The other day there was a headline “Thief who stole Obama’s teleprompter gets 7 years !!!1!” and thought that was outrageous. Then I read the article, the guy had about 40 previous theft convictions, so there ya go. Some people never get past the headlines.

  2. Constance says:

    “I don’t know where the idea originated but in prog/feminist circles there is a widely held belief that men like rape”

    It could be all the rape scenes in movies and TV and the rape pornography and the fact that brain dead adolescent punks like to video themselves raping drugged girls. Sure it is a small minority of men but they seem to really publicly enjoy rape and they have media power.

    • elliesmom says:

      If people didn’t like to live through rape and torture vicariously, “Law and Order SVU” wouldn’t be in its 12th season. Maybe it’s all about catching the people who do it, but I doubt it.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Hollywood is part of Progworld.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Ahhhh, I miss the 60’s when you were considered a slut for allowing a boy to go to “first base”. Nowadays, girls seem to think they have to “go all the way” to be liked and fit in. Where are the parents? Didn’t one of those rape victims have her mom drop her off at a party with a bottle of vodka? I blame mom. Booze fueled sex at teen parties, what could go wrong?

    • yttik says:

      We do live in a rape culture, myiq. It’s a distortion to describe it as “men like rape,” because that’s far too simplistic, but we are all indoctrinated into the rape culture 24/7. Not just men, but women too. It’s not about “liking it,” it’s about viewing it as normal and just the way things are, when in fact, it’s not normal at all.

      • swanspirit says:

        When one in six women have been raped , and the incidence of rape is greatly under reported , we live not only in a rape culture , but in a rape environment .

        According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005.[14] 1 of 6 U.S. women and 1 of 33 U.S. men have experienced an attempted or completed rape. (according to Colorado Coalition Against Sexual Assault)[15] The U.S. Department of Justice compiles statistics on crime by race, but only between and among people categorized as black or white. The statistics for whites include Hispanic and non-Hispanic whites combined. There were 194,270 white and 17,920 black victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2006.[16] ………
        U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics states that 91% of rape victims are female and 9% are male, and 99% of rapists are male.[19] Denov (2004) states that societal responses to the issue of female perpetrators of sexual assault “point to a widespread denial of women as potential sexual aggressors that could work to obscure the true dimensions of the problem.”[20]


        • yttik says:

          It wouldn’t surprise me if the number of male victims is really under reported, especially boys. The majority of them are also raped by men.

          60 Minutes had R.A Dickey, the baseball player, on last night. He talked about being sexually abused as a child by both a female babysitter and later an adult male. It’s probably more common then we think, especially in light of the Catholic church scandals, Sandusky/Penn State, etc.

      • driguana says:

        wow…this almost sets me off into rantville…but I won’t, at least for the moment, as I am really interested in listening to other points of view. However, I do find it interesting that “feminism” is not balanced by “masculinism”.

        I remember going to a “men’s group” meeting once, and only once, quite a few years ago and all the “men” there wanted to have a more “feminmist” approach to life. I thought, geez, why not just accept your masculinity and be up front about our problems and issues and work together to resolve them in association with the concerns of women.

        It’s once again become a culture of “attack” rather than resolve in which case, someone, or one side, is going to be made out to be wrong or evil.

        To me, it raises one very simple and important question, how should men and women work together to resolve issues? And this, of course, is not a different question than how should black and latinos work together, or the rich and poor, and the Democrats and the Republicans? The answer, in some manner, implies bringing people and their disparate points of view together, not dividing them.

        Just thinkin’ on a Monday….

  3. yttik says:

    “…Hackers, especially the idealistic ones, subvert it….”

    I wonder why we romanticize hacking so much? Many people view it as rebellion, as challenging the status quo. I don’t get it. All hacking is is accessing private information or attempting to sabotage it. Most hacking is incredibly stupid, kind of like going into somebody’s house and rearranging their files so they can’t find anything.

    Now nerds everywhere are going to hate me.

  4. DeniseVB says:

    From 2004, Obama’s Senate campaign, Michelle letter says “partial birth abortion is a legitimate surgical procedure” ….


    Oh, and promise’s her husband will be a champion of women’s rights and pay equality……LOL !

  5. HELENK says:


    gosnell was giving children vacinations and was reported for filth but no one did anything

  6. HELENK says:


    media after gosnell, will there be any change?? I do not think so

  7. HELENK says:


    something no one seems to be talking about. how the length of being unemployed determines getting a job

    • HELENK says:

      good question in the comment section. which is worse, the way the media ignored the gosnell trial or they way the media whipped up a racial frenzy over the trevon martin case?

  8. HELENK says:


    IMO wanting to regulate how everyone should live their lives makes something wrong with you

  9. HELENK says:


    immigration bill includes right for Americans to work in Mexico.

    nothing like dodging drug cartels on your way to work

  10. HELENK says:


    someone want to tell the asshat that attacked this officer that it is no longer the 60s

  11. HELENK says:

    stolen from a commenter at No Quarter


    embarrassing e-mails

  12. HELENK says:


    immigration hearing delay until Friday, so lawmakers will have time to read bill.
    guess the public outrage must have been pretty loud

  13. HELENK says:


    are NY state police looking at doctor’s records to grab guns?

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