Tuesday Puzzler

Obama puzzler

Yesterday I ran across a curious item at RealClearPolitics, wherein a reporter questioned Jay Carney about the Gosnell case, specifically President Obama’s stance on abortion survivors. Here’s part of the exchange:

ED HENRY: The president, as a state senator in 2003, voted against a bill that would provide medical care, as I understand, to babies who would be born after a botched abortion like this. The president at the time said he couldn’t support it as a state senator because he felt like any doctor in that situation would take care of a child. When you hear this kind of evidence, it suggests there’s at least one doctor who apparently did not. I understand you can’t deal with the deliberation of the case. But is there some legislative solution, or at least a conversation that needs to happen in Washington because on guns you were just saying we need common-sense reform. We need to save lives. In this case, do we need to be saving lives as well?

JAY CARNEY: Well, again, you’re relating it to a case that I can’t comment on and the president can’t comment on. I would simply say that the president’s position on choice is very clear. His position on the basic principle that, as President Clinton said, abortions ought to be safe, legal and rare is very clear. I just don’t have comment that could shed light on this specific case.

Bolding mine. My mind, which has been trained to critically think by one of America’s finest academic institutions (Indiana University), immediately wondered: why? Why can’t Carney or Obama comment on this case? It’s not like this president has never commented on cases involving law enforcement before, or on pending criminal cases in general. Here’s a short list of such instances when he could and did comment:

  1. Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy
  2. Trayvon Martin Case
  3. Aurora Shooting
  4. Sandy Hook Shooting
  5. Hadiya Pendleton Murder

That’s five I can recall right off the top of my head. You may remember others, and if you do, post ’em in comments. What makes this case so special that he can’t comment? It’s certainly a puzzler.

Remember the blog rules. #1 is: It would be irresponsible not to speculate. This is an open thread.


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107 Responses to Tuesday Puzzler

  1. DeniseVB says:

    Obama’s statement on Boston sounded a lot like his Benghazi “gonna get those bad guys” speech. Never did, did he? No heart in it either.

    I think he only likes to comment on shootings and racist stuff, helps his agenda 😉

  2. votermom says:

    Is it because Mrs Holder co-owns the building that Gosnell’s clinic was in?
    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/04/15/eric-holders-wife-co-owns-gosnell-run-abortion-clinic/

    • DeniseVB says:

      Obama was against Born Alive assistance as a state senator too. He either voted Present or No.

    • That’s such an astounding charge I had to follow the links through. The PJ Media guy misunderstood. It’s not the Gosnell clinic she co-owned, but a clinic in Atlanta. If it were true, it would actually be a good reason that he couldn’t comment because of potential pending civil action.

      So, nope, he’s got no excuse other than this he can’t take good opportunity to beat up the other side. Also, apparently black women only matter when they are young and pretty and can be used in the cause of gun control.

  3. myiq2xu says:

    He commented on Kanye West too.

  4. myiq2xu says:

    Obama won’t be going to Thatcher’s funeral which I think is the right choice. If he went it would draw too much attention on him and away from her.

    We are sending a low-key delegation instead.

  5. myiq2xu says:
    • Lulu says:

      I did not know that murderous crazy-ass was a cause. As soon as anyone crosses the line into physically harming others your cause is harming others and the original rationalization is moot.

  6. myiq2xu says:
  7. votermom says:

    • elliesmom says:

      My kid was standing under the British flag you can see in the pictures of the bomb going off less than an hour before it did. What he wants most is to run again next year.

      • votermom says:

        Omg, I am so glad he wasn’t there when it went off ((elliesmom))

        • myiq2xu says:

          My sister was in OKC the day of the bombing and was close enough to hear it.

        • votermom says:

          Did you know at the time that she might be nearby? How scary.

        • elliesmom says:

          It was tense here yesterday until he was able to call. The police asked that no one use their cellphones until they had cleared the area of other possible bombs. My son had been sending me photos of the members of his team as they crossed the finish line. Usually either he or his wife runs, but this year they helped coach a group from Dana Farber. I knew just where he was from the photos I was getting.

          We’re a “marathon family”. He runs and his dad and I raise money for him. He’s a cancer survivor who had someone run the marathon in his name, and now he runs for teenage cancer patients. I have never been so glad that my kid was hungry. Not even after chemo. He had left his position to look for food. I had phone calls from as far away as Japan making sure he and his wife were OK. Their crusade for cancer has touched a lot of lives.

        • votermom says:

          We Catholics would say his guardian angel was watching over him.

        • Jadzia says:

          Agreed. You must be so relieved. I can’t imagine. Well, that’s not true. I can imagine. And it’s horrible.

      • gxm17 says:

        So glad to hear your son is okay. I have lots of family in Boston and spent yesterday anxiously awaiting all to check in.

      • swanspirit says:

        When my son was overseas , he missed an artillery battery explosion because he went to go get a pizza . He eventually sent me a postcard with a little hand drawn mushroom cloud on it and an x marking the spot where he was; that said I was here , away from the mushroom cloud .
        I am so very glad your son is ok . I have an idea how you might be feeling ! HUGS I am grateful for whatever angels guard our children .

      • leslie says:

        OMG what a scary picture. I’m so glad your son got away from there safely. {{{hugs}}}

  8. elliesmom says:

    Frankly, I don’t care what Obama has to say on the subject. On any subject for that matter. What he does, I care about. There are a great many of us who even before Gosnell were “tepidly” pro-choice. James Taranto in the Wall Street Journal has one of the best editorials I have read on abortion so far. He voices how I feel. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324030704578422883948238160.html

    • votermom says:

      Good article.
      Abortion on demand advocates are facing the same problem Global Warming activists are – the science is against them.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Two weeks ago John McCormack of The Weekly Standard reported on a shocking exchange between Alisa LaPolt Snow, a lobbyist for the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates, and members of the Florida House who were holding a committee hearing:

      “So, um, it is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because I’m almost in disbelief,” said Rep. Jim Boyd. “If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?”

      “We believe that any decision that’s made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician,” said Planned Parenthood lobbyist Snow.

      Rep. Daniel Davis then asked Snow, “What happens in a situation where a baby is alive, breathing on a table, moving. What do your physicians do at that point?”

      “I do not have that information,” Snow replied. “I am not a physician, I am not an abortion provider. So I do not have that information.”

      Rep. Jose Oliva followed up, asking the Planned Parenthood official, “You stated that a baby born alive on a table as a result of a botched abortion that that decision should be left to the doctor and the family. Is that what you’re saying?”

      Again, Snow replied, “That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider.”

      One full week later, ChristianPost.com reports, “Planned Parenthood clarified . . . that it is not in favor of killing babies who survive a botched abortion.” Are you reassured?

    • gxm17 says:

      From the link: I also have no idea how I would react if confronted by having to make a choice between the life of a fetus and his/her mother.

      Really? Glad I’m not married to that guy!

      • elliesmom says:

        There are some women who would give their lives for their child. We hope we would have a husband who could respect that choice. It is about choice, right?

        • gxm17 says:

          Absolutely. It’s the person’s choice who is pregnant. Why Mr. Simon thinks he has any say is beyond me. I do find it fascinating when people claim they are pro-life yet treat the mother’s life as trifling. I’m very happy he’s not making any medical decisions for me. And I think it only highlights the point that one shouldn’t be making such an important decision for other people.

        • elliesmom says:

          If a woman hasn’t told her husband what she would want him to do, and many women haven’t, then the decision is legally his to make. It’s a bad place to be in. That he wouldn’t automatically choose his wife bothers you. So I hope you have an advanced medical directive.

  9. driguana says:

    It’s interesting the types of situations he will make comments on and which one’s he won’t. Ft. Hood and Benghazi were probably the two most important. If they are incidents which drive the wedge between blacks and whites, he will comment. If they are incidents that may cause pushback from Islamist groups, he will not. At least that’s what my mind, also critically trained at Indiana University, tells me

    • I’d forgotten about Fort Hood. Benghazi I can understand because of the national security angle. That’s his purview. But these other cases are not. His comments on them are meant merely to inflame existing divisions, and throw red meat to his rabid constituencies. Because he cannot twist the Gosnell case to meet these rhetorical purposes, he “can’t” comment. That’s basically it in a nutshell.

      Nice to see another IU alum here. 🙂

  10. votermom says:

  11. myiq2xu says:

    The only reason I am awake right now is to watch the FBI presser about the bombing. It was supposed to start seven minutes ago.

  12. myiq2xu says:
    • myiq2xu says:

      Fuck this speechifying, I’m going back to bed.

      • elliesmom says:

        Deval Patrick is Obama 1.0.

        • driguana says:

          When you listen to a guy like Patrick, you realize how screwed up Massachusetts is and how important governors are. In many ways, governors are like the fulcrum on which a state’s problem solving balances with political bloviating. Sometimes I think that electing a good governor is the best thing we can do in this country. Patrick is a real disappointment….Obama 1.0 as you say.

  13. Constance says:

    This is a really boring press conference. I guess they don’t know anything. I expected a map, where were the bombs that went off where were the bombs that didn’t go off. Did they raid an apartment last night? What did they find, did they arrest anyone? Any clues whether it was home grown or Islamic illegals?

  14. yttik22 says:

    Why can’t the president comment? Good question! I think it’s because he’s a blank slate for people to project their hopes and dreams upon and he won’t say or do anything that messes with that narrative.

    Personally one of the things I can’t stand about him is how he refuses to show any moral fiber on anything. He’s always about how “we have to wait for the facts to come in” or “not jump to conclusions.” That’s true in a court room, but as leader of the free world, the country needs well, leadership. It is okay to condemn violent acts. It is okay to speak out against crimes. Even in his Sandy Hook involvement, it’s all about him, his policy, his desire to pass gun legislation. Real leadership would be to grieve, to condemn the horror, to rally the country.

    • piper says:

      Sad to say but there is nothing there – no empathy, can’t even muster up any feelings of care. He is incredibly empty inside.

    • fembotsforobama says:

      Agreed. It’s the blank slate narrative. We need someone to lead, otherwise we’re just going in circles. But isn’t that his MO?

  15. DandyTiger says:

    I know, I know, cat’s got his tongue.

  16. fembotsforobama says:

    Let’s keep in mind that one of the defining moments of 2011 nomination race was this very issue — Obama’s stance on the IL-BAIPA and how he was much more liberal than Hillary. Remember how NOW and PP came to his defense over this? To me it revealed that Obama has no moral fiber because of the way he answered the question of why he didn’t support the amendment. Instead of making a passionate argument for pro-choice, he waffled, then stated that ‘Planned Parenthood told me to vote against it.’ That was Obama’s resounding defense for pro-choice. And every email I received from PP, NOW, NARAL etc. reminded me of it constantly. The horror, Hillary may not be as strongly pro-choice as Obama blah, blah, blah.

    So in essence, Obama’s stance on the Gosnell trial shows us again he lacks the moral fiber to lead on any issue that doesn’t directly benefit him, unless it furthers division between the races/classes. When the WH finally determines which is the most important issue for Obama to defend, whatever it might be, then we’ll get a response, and we’ll hear how Obama was for it/against it all along.

  17. HELENK says:

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sen-elizabeth-warren-praises-actively-involved-obama-no-mention-boston-victims

    is there a strange disconnect between democratic politicians and the American people today?
    To them it is like the American people are the enemy unless they are on welfare and useful to them

  18. Propertius says:

    I dunno, Lola – strictly from a Separation of Powers point of view I think members of both the Executive and Legislative branches should STFU about trials that are in progress. I think it’s impossible for a Presidential statement to *not* taint jury deliberations if they find out about it. I don’t think Nixon should have commented on the Manson case, and I don’t think Obama (or any of his spokesdroids) should comment about Gosnell. In fact, the more heinous the offense the more important I think it is not to give the defendant additional grounds to appeal a conviction.

    I’d be interested in what Myiq and angie have to say about this (being actual lawyers and all).

    • I can respect that point of view, Propertius, but the inconsistency is nevertheless glaring. If he shouldn’t say anything about Gosnell, he shouldn’t have said anything about these other cases, either.

  19. Anthony says:

    Axelrod: Obama Thinks Boston Bombings Could Be Related to ‘Tax Day’

    Axelwhore implying Boston Bombings connected to Tea Party? What happened to scaring us about what Little Kim might pull on “The Day of the Sun” (also 4/15)?

    • elliesmom says:

      If the Tea Party wanted to demonstrate in Boston on Tax Day, we’d be talking about a lot of Lipton floating in the harbor. Or maybe Salada, but not Celestial Seasonings.

    • nerdle says:

      I’ve seen the same allusion on facebook and Buzzfeed. It makes me wonder if they’re genuine thoughts or if it’s Obama Geek Squad is hard at work trying to manipulate the lemmings.

    • DandyTiger says:

      MSNBC has been drooling over this as a Tea Party bombing yesterday and today. I’ve never seen them so happy, while pretending to be sad. Very odd place over there.

    • votermom says:

  20. votermom says:

    via ace
    Bombs Were Made From 6-Litre Pressure Cookers; Recipe for DIY Pressure-Cooker Bomb Had Been Promoted by Al Qaeda Magazine “Inspire”
    —Ace

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/339163.php

  21. mcnorman says:

    He can’t or he won’t comment? JMO but I think it’s the latter.

    • votermom says:

      okay, this makes me reach for my tinfoil hat.

      • Eh, it makes sense to me. There’s zero public evidence so far that this “Saudi national” they are questioning was involved. He was “captured” by a civilian who found it suspicious he was running away from a bomb blast that almost everyone was running away from. That’s all we know so far.

        Given the nature of the American press and their tendency of jump to conclusions, I don’t blame them for closing the meeting to the press to avoid it taking over/ overshadowing an ostensibly diplomatic meeting. And certainly we’d want to avoid offending the diplomat as well.

  22. HELENK says:

    Iowa Hawk

    Want to know what America’s all about? Reports of marathon runners that crossed finish line and then ran to the hospital to give blood.

  23. fembotsforobama says:

    I just saw this today. Just reposting in case others are interested:

  24. votermom says:

    This may or may not be the Saudi who is or is not a person of interest
    https://twitter.com/PROVIDENCE1791/status/324211002180775938

  25. votermom says:

  26. HELENK says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/16/dem-rep-xavier-becerra-exploits-boston-terror-attack-to-decry-sequester-cuts/

    first they exploit the Newtown victims now the Boston victims

    today’s democrats are real limbo champions there is no end to how low they can go

  27. HELENK says:

    I will not link to the sick twitter from these people.

    Westboro sickos plan to picket funeral for Boston victims.

    word of advice to them DO NOT DO IT

  28. dm says:

    If BO was a bit confused about the situation and was afraid to say too much, he should have just rung up his old buddy Bill Ayers…I’m sure he could have explained everything.

  29. votermom says:

  30. cynic says:

    In an ’09 NBC interview, re: Kahlid Sheikh Mohammed’s trial being brought to NY, Obama said, “I don’t think it will be offensive at all WHEN he’s convicted and WHEN the death penalty is applied to him.”

    (Are we sure Obama was a lawyer?)

    • yttik22 says:

      I remember that and I remember thinking how odd it was to claim we were going to make sure he had a fair trial and yet guarantee a guilty verdict! It just doesn’t work that way, unless you’re Boss Hog or something.

  31. cynic says:

    A statement by Obama, Re: Daniel Pearl’s Beheading
    “Captured the World’s Imagination”

  32. cynic says:

    Obama, 8-14-10 RE: N.Y. Mosque

    …..”In this country we treat everybody equally and in accordance with the law, regardless of race, regardless of religion.”

  33. cynic says:

    11-07-09 Mr. Obama, during his private pep talk to democrats:

    “Does anybody think that the teabag, anti-government people are going to support them if they bring down health care? All it will do is confuse and dispirit Democratic voters, “and it will encourage the extremists.”

    (Mr. President, are we really treated equally?)

  34. Too much to take in over the last few days. I just want to curl up and hibernate.

    • yttik22 says:

      I know! To make things crazier, the weather has been all over the place, snow, hail, temps ranging from 30-70. I want to hibernate, too.

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