Luddites


Alternate title: What the fuck is up with the writers at Salon?

To be completely fair to Alex Pareene (formerly of Gawker) it can be argued that he is technically correct. If you add up all the victims of terrorism and compare that to the number of deaths related to industrial agriculture, the latter number would be larger. On the other hand more people have died in car accidents than were killed riding horses or in horse-drawn vehicles.

But it is a pretty safe bet that Pareene wasn’t merely comparing fatality statistics. He was advocating a common belief among his fellow Vile Progs – Neo-Luddism. It is ironic that so many Vile Progs subscribe to Neo-Luddite beliefs because they are so dependent on technology. Take away their smart phones, GPS and WiFi and they can’t function.

Once upon a time agriculture was very labor-intensive. Back in the days of the hunter-gatherers every adult was involved in finding, acquiring, preparing and preserving food. As agricultural technology improved over the centuries, fewer and fewer people were needed to feed everyone. That meant more and more people had free time to devote to other activities.

If you remember those old Sunday School lessons you will recall that plagues of famine and pestilence were common occurrences in ancient times. Archeology confirms this but that is true no longer. Think about this – how much of your time is spent grocery shopping and cooking and how much of your money is spent on food? If you are like me it’s not your primary activity nor is it your biggest budget item.

Let me put it another way – modern civilization depends on plentiful cheap food and that is only made possible by industrial agriculture. If we were forced to return to pre-industrial methods of raising food the immediate result would be widespread famine and pestilence. Hundreds of millions of people would die within the first couple years.

As for those who are opposed to “Frankenfoods”, I have some bad news for you. Almost everything you eat is genetically modified. Thousands of years of selective breeding produced the meats, fruits, grains and vegetables we eat. Seafood is probably the lone exception.

Now if you will excuse me, I’m hungry again so I’m gonna go make me a snack.



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90 Responses to Luddites

  1. Lulu says:

    I just read Pareene’s quote to the agricultural chemist that I live with. Response was “He can shit in a bucket and haul it to a farmer if he prefers no sterile chemical fertilizer. But he may die from all the shit buckets sitting around which are also chemicals, or he can just volunteer to stop eating.” Do any of these people think things through before they open their ignorant mouths?

  2. DeniseVB says:

    Another reason for vile progs to hate Sarah Palin, she’s still a hunter/gatherer. I remember in her book that one moose and fish she caught could feed her family for a year, along with homegrown, in season or local veggies she canned or froze. Her response to those who called her a murderer was “you pay someone to kill your food for you”.

  3. elliesmom says:

    I have a cousin who outgrew his tin foil hat and now has a whole tin foil wardrobe. Fertilizers and pesticides are government plots to permanently damage people, vaccines are a form of child abuse, and the Boston Police set off the bombs at the Marathon so they could move us closer to martial law. He fills my Facebook page with conspiracy theories via Alex Jones. But of all my cousins, he’s the most fun at parties. When he says we should all be vegan, I ask him how many cows and chickens is he willing to take into his home as pets when the farmers who currently raise them for food let them loose. He actually starts thinking about how much space he has in his apartment. He’s a “journalist”.

  4. votermom says:

    I can’t believe politico published this para (via aoshq)

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-vote-obamas-biggest-loss-90244_Page3.html

    The gun control groups central to Obama’s push never lost faith in the White House and praised its efforts even as it was clear the push would fail.

    “Bribery isn’t what it once was,” said an official with one of the major gun-control groups. “The government has no money. Once upon a time you would throw somebody a post office or a research facility in times like this. Frankly, there’s not a lot of leverage.”

    • Lulu says:

      Yeah it’s tough. They gave all the moolah to the bankers so there is jack shit left. And how the heck are they going to pass out post offices when they are in the middle of closing most of them down? Medicaid expansion was supposed to be some sort of bribe too but that was screwed by the Supremes (and pesky cost analysis). Chicago Bronco can’t catch a break!

  5. angienc (D) says:

    Lets go back to the old days when man lived in caves & didn’t use pesticides *or* fossil fuels. Of course, you were lucky to live until 30 back then but hey — anything to “save” the planet, right?

    • fembotsforobama says:

      only living to 30…. isn’t that the young vile progs dream, that anyone over 30 is killed? We sure aren’t legitimate citizens anymore, so WTH let’s go back to cave days. Maybe that’s the real meaning of that Groods movie.

      • Lulu says:

        During hurricane aftermath these are the very people who have meltdowns over no refrigeration or internet. I saw a local Proggy environmentalist crying at the grocery store when the prepared food deli was closed because all they had was a generator. He wanted to buy prepared food when everyone else was cooking their own on outdoor grills or eating straight out of the can. They think it is cool until they have to hit a lick to do it.

  6. votermom says:

    Romney & Obama both expected to attend Boston ceremony today.

  7. votermom says:

    • votermom says:

      ace commenter in TX
      http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=339231#c20486709

      Haven’t read any of the comments thus far this morning, but wanted to thank you morons again for your prayers and good thoughts for those of us on the ground here in central Texas near the explosion. Much of the immediate chaos has organized, but it still looks like a war zone out here. Rain has diminished the fires, which are still smoldering. The injury reports must mainly be compiled by the hospitals, because they are vastly under-reporting injuries. I saw people last night who should have been under care who were pushing wheelchairs down the road to help others, and people in homes we were checking that didn’t want to seek a doctor because “other people are worse off.” Door-to-door efforts are still going on, and probably will for days. This is a farming area, with people near the explosion that live a mile from anyone else on the back dirt or caleche rock roads. People from out of town are showing up to loot, damn them to hell. I warn them that I came across many old ladies with guns in their hands last night who might have opened up on us during the rural checks if we hadn’t been able to yell out some familiar names. No good estimate of death toll yet, so not speculating. I ran into an EMT last nightwho everyone thought was dead. He said he was beginning to feel like he was Snake Plisskin (“I thought you were dead!”). The feds are coming in already, including the ATF. Will be working the shelters today. Thank you one and all again for your prayers. We need more. There are some damn fine people out here.

  8. votermom says:

    Hmm … if Palin endorses Ran Paul in 2016, it will be BIG.

    • votermom says:

      Leaders
      Rand Paul
      U.S. Senator, 50
      By Sarah Palin April 18, 2013

      When the Tea Party movement wanted to send a message to the Senate in 2010, it elected a clear-sighted eye doctor from the Bluegrass State. In a D.C. too often defined by the venal equivocations of a permanent political class more interested in consolidating its own power than in upholding the Constitution or defending the common good, Senator Rand Paul is a voice of reason awakening the public to what must be done to restore our prosperity and preserve the blessings of liberty for future generations. His brand of libertarian-leaning conservatism attracts young voters, and recently he inspired the nation with his Capraesque filibuster demanding basic answers about our use of drones. I sent him some caribou jerky from Alaska to help keep up his strength on the Senate floor. There’s more where that came from for this bold Senator with 20/20 vision willing to take a stand for liberty.

      Palin is a former governor of Alaska

    • If Paul & Rubio team, up for 2016, Hillary is done for. Youth and Hispanics will split more even between Reps and Dems, and that will be the death knell for any Dem candidate. Mark my words, as with the vote, women will be the last to benefit from identity politics.

  9. HELENK says:

    been one bad week so far

    Monday—–Boston

    Tuesday—-ricin

    Wednesday—Waco

    Prayers for all the people in Boston and Waco

  10. yttik22 says:

    The Luddites were skilled textile workers who faced the loss of their jobs because of the invention of nearly automatic looms that didn’t require skilled labor. They had a logical grievance, no work, no food to eat.

    People who are opposed to industrial farming, technology, progress, energy, don’t make as much sense as the Luddites. Most of these people have never worked at hard labor a day in their lives, benefit tremendously from all the advancements, and are not facing jobs loss. I don’t understand what motivates them.

  11. votermom says:

    US Ambassador to Egypt accused of breaking Sharia Law
    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/raymond-ibrahim/u-s-ambassador-to-egypt-drunk-breaking-sharia-law-and-saying-jews-rule-the-world/

    So … we have a woman ambassador in the country ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood. I just hope this one gets out alive.

  12. elliesmom says:

    Ann Althouse has a good post up this morning – “It’s been a bad first quarter of the second term for President Obama” http://althouse.blogspot.com/2013/04/its-been-first-quarter-of-second-term.html

  13. yttik22 says:

    According to CNN, the President is “leading the nation in hope and heroism.”

    • 49erDweet (D) says:

      legs are tickling in overtime this morning, spinning, spinning, spinning, trying to make a tiny bit of silk out of yesterday’s humongous sows ears.

    • SHV says:

      “leading the nation in hope and heroism.”
      ****
      Jeebus… next thing will be the giant posters of Obama leading the Homeland to a glorious future.

    • piper says:

      By reading a speech written by Faveau, cardboard cutout molester.

  14. DeniseVB says:

    Koffler gives Obama a spanking 😀

  15. votermom says:

    • yttik22 says:

      “In short, we have become a nation of promiscuous prudes.”

      Yep, he nailed it. But we’ve always been this way. I have no idea why, but it’s built right into our American culture and has probably been going on since the days of the Puritans.

  16. SHV says:

    “The President’s Gun Tirade and You …”
    **********
    The whole process was just more political theater. The voting process was set up to guarantee failure of passage of the amendments. The 60 threshold was agreed upon to prevent passage of any of the 10(?) amendments. The amendment that had the most support was the “concealed carry” and that would have been a major embarrassment for Dear Leader.

  17. piper says:

    My tidbits for the day

    Bronco won by spending over a billion dollars and massive cheating.

    Bette Midler, an overwrought hypocrite, lives in a protected area and has armed protection for her and her family.

    Hit me, I’m enjoying reading “The Joy of Hate”

    Wonder if fearless leader will travel to Waco for another one of his emotional moments. Please pray for the people in Waco as I heard that they have lost at least 8 firefighters and paramedics with many missing and injured.

    Another wonderful cartoon from Branco
    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/04/branco-cartoon-obamas-cube/

  18. votermom says:

  19. I dislike Monsanto and their GM frankenfoods. And I believe there is a HUGE difference between selectively breeding/hybridizing plants- selecting for traits- and putting eel genes in salmon and fucking around with crops so they can withstand mass doses of RoundUp.
    Monoculture mass agribusiness farming is not my thing. I think it damages the land when the same crop is planted over and over and over again. Needing to dump millions of tons of fertilizer, which washes out into the water supply.
    What can I do about it. Not fucking much. Except buy local as much as possible, grow as much of my own as I can and support local farmers who do NOT use monoculture growing.
    YMMV

    • myiq2xu says:

      I grew up on a Del Monte peach ranch – a major agribusiness. Then I did pest control for 9 years.

      To me it’s no big deal.

    • swanspirit says:

      I have been buying local and plan to volunteer at my local organic ffarm for a working share . . the food is so much better . But I live in a very AG area .

    • I agree about the difference between selective breeding, and changing the genetic structure of plants via hybridizing species or building in pesticides. That distinction needs to be made, but it hardly is by either side.

  20. yttik22 says:

    I think we now have official confirmation that the suspect who is alleged to have sent those letters is definitely a democrat…the media has just reported that he appears to be mentally ill so his politics are completely irrelevant in this situation.

    • 49erDweet (D) says:

      Well that….and the photo of him with his bumper sticker, will wrap it ip for rveryone except the NYT.

  21. votermom says:

    I was listening to Rush interview Rubio on the immigration bill right now.
    Squishy, squishy Rubio.
    I thought Rush did a good job asking questions that showed the inconsistencies of Rubio’s arguments.

  22. HELENK says:

    I had to turn the channel when backtrack was spewing in Boston. All I could think of was why is the saudi man being deported when he might have information we need to catch and prosecute the bombers.
    hypocrite

    • 49erDweet (D) says:

      My guess is he had zippo to do with it, was a victim himself, and had flagrantly overstayed his student visa.
      OR……. was deeply involved in it but has the good fortune to be a connected scion of SA royalty. Either way, wave goodbye.

      • myiq2xu says:

        That’s what I figured. Besides, if I got my ass blown up in a foreign country I’d be homesick too.

        • Somebody says:

          The imperative word here is “deported”. That has meaning, especially when you add “for national security reasons”.

          If he was just homesick then he’s free to leave no deportation is needed. If he overstayed his visa, sure but that wouldn’t really rise to the level of national security.

          Besides, I don’t think he’s overstayed his student visa. He hasn’t finished college yet and he hasn’t even been here long enough to.

          Nope there is something rotten here IMHO

        • myiq2xu says:

          If it was a cover-up they would let him leave voluntarily.

        • votermom says:

          Remember they suspected him enough initially to raid his apartment and confiscate his stuff.

    • votermom says:

  23. HELENK says:

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130418/POLITICS03/304180458/1361/House-passes-pro-business-cybersecurity-bill

    this strikes me as a two edged sword. Do not know how today’s US government will use it

  24. votermom says:

  25. myiq2xu says:

    I go to the VA clinic for an eye exam because I need reading glasses and I’m tired of using the cheap non-Rx type. The guy examines my eyes and tells me I need reading glasses. Well no shit. Then he tells me I can keep using the cheap non-Rx type.

    After some further discussion he told me I can go to the main clinic in Fresno if I want some Rx bifocals.

    Then after my second discussion this week with the front desk they let me see a nurse who checked and said yeah, I’m supposed to keep taking anti-depressants so they will renew my Rx. (I ran out yesterday.)

  26. myiq2xu says:

    I get home in time to find the SFGiants losing 7-1 to Milwaukee Brewers.

    • votermom says:

      Good think you got your happy pill RX renewed, huh? 😉

      • myiq2xu says:

        The are mailing them to me. If I’m lucky they’ll arrive Saturday, otherwise Monday.

        • Jadzia says:

          Good thoughts headed your way. I’m on Antidepressant #4 and still nothing works. Thanks to our fabulous rural health care and a suicidal/domestically abused local doctor (you think i’m making this up?) we’ve been stuck with a pediatrician as a replacement for nearly a year. Thank God the ped went on vacation, because HER temporary replacement turned out to be a grown-up doctor who informed me of the existence of a clinic/hospital that specializes exclusively in depression and related conditions and is only 1 hour from my house. And then he pulled some strings to get me in, because technically it’s in a different “region” and I probably should be going somewhere in my own region (where the only big city is 3 hours away). So I go on 4/23 and am praying that they are able to help.

  27. myiq2xu says:

    Explosions are not the only hazard to industrial accidents. Fires produce toxic fumes. Better safe than sorry dead.

  28. myiq2xu says:

    Message from My Darling Daughter about My Awesome Granddaughter:

    Kate definitely has the ATT guy finding Mickey Mouse Club House for her. Above and beyond service, I’d say. She told him My Little Ponies wasn’t right and to keep looking.

    Like mother, like daughter. It’s their world and we only live in it.

  29. myiq2xu says:

    “Bribery isn’t what it once was,” said an official with one of the major gun-control groups. “The government has no money. Once upon a time you would throw somebody a post office or a research facility in times like this. Frankly, there’s not a lot of leverage.”

  30. myiq2xu says:
  31. HELENK says:

    http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/18/17811465-kepler-mission-makes-big-splash-with-possibly-habitable-super-earths?lite

    backtrack and meeeschele like to travel so much maybe they could take a trip and make a life at one of these places. another historic first for the couple

  32. HELENK says:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/teen-boston-marathon-bomber/story?id=18990057#.UXBAY7WcdXa

    kid in picture circulating about Boston bombing says he is not a bomber

  33. myiq2xu says:

    • DandyTiger says:

      How would she know? With a policy of no inspects and looking the other way for political reasons, why would she think Gosnell’s clinic is unusual?

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