To My Shock And Dismay I Find Myself Agreeing With Bill Maher


Daily Caller:

Bill Maher: Comparing violence of Islam to Christianity ‘liberal bullsh*t’

On HBO’s “Real Time” on Friday night, host Bill Maher entertained UC-San Bernardino professor Brian Levin, director of the Center for Study of Hate and Extremism, who maintained that despite the events in recent days, religious extremism isn’t only a product of Islam.

But Maher took issue with that claim, calling it “liberal bullshit” and said there was no comparison.

“You know what, yeah, yeah,” Maher said. “You know what — that’s liberal bullshit right there … they’re not as dangerous. I mean there’s only one faith, for example, that kills you or wants to kill you if you draw a bad cartoon of the prophet. There’s only one faith that kills you or wants to kill you if you renounce the faith. An ex-Muslim is a very dangerous thing. Talk to Salman Rushdie after the show about Christian versus Islam. So you know, I’m just saying let’s keep it real.”


To my shock and dismay I find myself agreeing with Bill Maher. But I guess even the Devil tells the truth some times.

As I’m sure you all know I was raised in a fundie Christian church until I was about 17 years old so I am very familiar with Protestant theology. Then in college I majored in history including courses on the history of religion and the history of Islam. I am no expert in Islam but I know quite a bit about it.

It is true to say that Christianity has a very bloody history. That history includes witch hunts, pogroms, inquisitions and “holy” wars. But there is currently no major Christian sect that advocates violence against non-believers, blasphemers, apostates or heretics.

Christianity started out as a religion among the slaves and proletarians. It was not until several hundred years later that Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. Christianity’s violent phase generally coincides with its “official” status. The separation of church and state effectively ended Christianity’s violent phase.

Islam, on the other hand, began as a violent religion that expanded by military conquest and forced conversion. The earliest converts to Islam were the warlike Bedouin Arabs whose primary source of income was raiding and robbing trading caravans that were passing thru the desert. During the first 150 years of Islamic history the religion expanded westward from the Arabian Peninsula to North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula, northward into Europe and eastward across the Middle-East and Central Asia.

The Koran (Qur’an) is the holiest book of Islam. They believe it is the literal word of God (Allah). The hadith is the collected teachings and actions of the Prophet Muhammad. The different sects of Islam rely on different sets of hadith collections. Just as in Christian theology, if you pick and choose among the Koran’s suras (verses) and various hadith, you can justify positions for or against most subjects.

This is particularly important in regards to one tenet of Islam called “jihad”. All the textbooks will tell you that jihad means “struggle”. The politically correct translation refers to an inner spiritual struggle. But it also refers to a physical struggle against the enemies of Islam. Some Muslims believe that jihad means “holy war” against non-believers.

This latter group are the ones that become terrorists.

But terrorism is only one of the problems with Islam. Muslim nations and communities in the West don’t have a very good track record when it comes to things like women’s rights, LGBT rights and tolerance of other religions. It is one thing to celebrate diversity and provide for freedom of religion, but things like honor killings, stonings and female genital mutilation are unacceptable.

Defenders of Islam claim that the violence and oppression associated with Islam are attributable to a small minority of Muslims. I am not going to dispute that here. But assuming that is true then the rest of the Muslims in the world must unite with civilized people in ending the violence.

That means cutting off all support for those who use or promote violence. That means identifying them to law enforcement, and testifying against them in court. That means living at peace with non-believers. It means condemning the oppression and murder of women and gays. It means repudiating violence.

In other words, they need to pick a side. They can join the civilized peoples, or they can join the savages.


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49 Responses to To My Shock And Dismay I Find Myself Agreeing With Bill Maher

  1. driguana says:

    After reading a number of prog blogs this morning, I am getting the idea that they are making the pitch that Islamists are right-wing extremists, just like Christian fundamentalist, right-wingers are extremists. If that’s the case, then who are the Syrian rebels opposing the current regime? If they are Islamists, then the recent Kerry announcement to support them means we are supporting right-wing extremists. All of the “ismatic” finger pointing is getting very confusing.

  2. DeniseVB says:

    I’m glad Maher called the b.s. He may be realizing what the push for Sharia Law (honor killing is not a crime) could mean in a nation of laws.

    I have no problem with any organized religion so long as they don’t want to behead me for eating a pork chop sandwich.

  3. fif says:

    I just saw a PhD who specializes in Radical Islam in the U.S. on Fox News & Friends saying that the majority of Muslims are peaceful, but that 80% of the mosques in the U.S. are led by radicals, and the one around the corner from the brothers was founded by one of the notorious radical leaders now in prison for violence. There is literature available on site that advocates for the killing of homosexuals and non-believers, and they have historically had a goal to radicalize youth.

    Hello?

    • DeniseVB says:

      I saw that segment and had to agree with him about stopping being so darn PC around the radical fringes.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Who is supporting the radical imams and terrorists? After 9/11 we took steps to cut off the funding. Have they found new ways to funnel oil money to radicals and terrorists?

  4. DeniseVB says:

    Can you believe we have states that have to make laws to ban THIS:

    http://www.ehow.com/list_6875689_sharia-laws-women.html

    And here we were complaining that Obama’s taken women back to the 50’s, how about the 3rd century? Ugh.

  5. yttik says:

    I don’t understand those who rush in to defend and protect Islam, especially from progressives who aren’t even Muslim. In this country we have freedom of religion which also grants you freedom from religion AND the right to dislike any religion you want. All this nonsense about Islamaphobia is just that, nonsense.

    It’s really not irrelevant if “Islam is a religion of peace” or if terrorists are just distorting it or if some Muslims are peaceful. Reality says that some people are becoming radicalized around Islam and pose a threat to innocent civilians. It doesn’t matter if 99% of Muslims are peaceful, that doesn’t change the reality of what’s happening. We have to stop trying to be all politically correct and tolerant. Nobody has ever suggested banning Islam or rounding Muslims up and putting them in internment camps, so there is no need to rally around Islam as if Muslims were a persecuted group in this country.

  6. gxm17 says:

    Maybe it’s because I’m an atheist, but I think religion is the worst bullshit excuse any murderous little shitbag could possibly use. Whether it’s the Westboro Baptist Church (and, yes, I consider them terrorists even though they don’t blow things up), the folks who target women’s clinics and abortion providers, or the jihadists. None of them terrorize other people because of their religion, they are already terrorists at heart and they warp their faith to justify their despicable actions. Cowards that have to wrap their own ugly up in something in something pretty so they can look in the mirror every day.

    That said, before the brothers were found, the feeding frenzy for brown “foreign” looking “suspects” who were actually innocent people was a real low in America. (Even after LE said they were looking for fair-complected men.) One Muslin woman was attacked while walking her child in a stroller. Temporary insanity at fever pitch, at least I hope it was temporary.

    • elliesmom says:

      I think the “frenzy” about looking for “brown” people stems from a lack of common knowledge about who Muslims are. I think a lot of people believe that all Muslims come the Middle East. Because we aren’t allowed to have most conservations about Islam without being called Islamophobes, people are mostly uneducated about the religion. Or, perhaps, ignorance is better than knowledge in this case according to the “powers that be”. I think Jimmy the Greek would have placed a bet the terrorists would turn out to be Muslim in this case. Only someone not familiar with the Tea Party would ever speculate that a radicalized member would ever choose Boston as a bomb site. He or she would have headed right to Washington. Even dogs don’t defecate in their own beds.

      • Somebody says:

        Initial reports were police were looking for a dark skinned man with a black backpack.

        THAT is where it came from, from the police NOT from some feeding frenzy.

        I agree things got out of hand and innocent people were taggged as being guilty, but people didn’t come up with that out of thin air. In fact parts of the MSM were very upset about referring to someone as dark skinned and the whole dark skin stuff became a debate. Parts of the media were complaining about using skin color in the description.

        • elliesmom says:

          There were thousands of photos and hours of video submitted to the police and the FBI from bystanders at the marathon. Many people also posted their photos on the net. A large percentage of the people who go to the marathon take backpacks. Most adult-sized backpacks are black. If you believe the bombers were Muslim, and if you believe Muslims are dark-skinned, and you’re part of the crowd sourcing that was going on all over the internet, then you’d be looking for dark-skinned men with black backpacks whether the media said the bombers were dark-skinned or not. I’m not excusing what happened to a few innocent guys who found themselves “people of interest”. But if the general population was more aware that Muslims come in all colors, they wouldn’t have been so sure the bombers were dark-skinned. Because they were convinced the bombers were Muslims above all else.. In spite of Chris Matthews.

        • gxm17 says:

          That doesn’t explain how the high school kid in the BLUE track suit ended up with his face all over the news. It doesn’t explain why the missing college kid’s family had to take their FB page down after LE said they were looking for fair-complected men. The media reached an all time low IMO. I hope both parties sue the hell out out the “newspapers” that reported rumor as fact and published innocent people’s pictures as “suspects.”

        • Somebody says:

          Agreed the crowd sourcing was ridiculous, my point was that initial reports from law enforcement was a dark skinned male with a black backpack. So naturally the people at igmur/4chan whatever you call it zeroed in on “dark skinned” males with black backpacks. It wasn’t until the last day that LE said fair complected.

          Also, even though many were focusing on “dark skinned”, there were also people concentrating on and pointing out white people. There was one guy they called blue robe guy that was white. There were also a couple of middle aged white men that were singled out.

          When it all went viral in the media is when somebody within LE confirmed 1 suspect had on a white baseball cap. Suddenly the high school kid standing with his friend who was wearing a white baseball cap became “prime suspects” to the media. I’m not a lawyer, but I would assume those young men have some recourse?????

      • gxm17 says:

        ITA. Just because someone has brown skin and looks “foreign” tells you absolutely nothing about that person, their religion, or their ethnicity. Just as not all Christians are white people. And not all white people are American.

        • 49erDweet (D) says:

          The source for misidentifying #1 and #2 came through BPD. At one point citizens plainly read the names on the dispatch screens in squad cars parked in the street and flushed that info out immediately with social media. Not that the media doesn’t deserve blame for so many things, but……………………

    • Constance says:

      Thankfully the UK still seems to have news orgs. I haven’t heard this from the US media.

  7. votermom says:

    The difference between a radicalized Buddhist and a radicalized Muslim is that the former will light himself on fire and the latter will blow other people up.

  8. Constance says:

    I am damn sick of the liberal PC approach to Islam. I want to hear Obama call this what it is, Islamic terrorism. And he needs to label a few other violent rampages Islamic terrorism. What is wrong with him?! We in the US need to hit a happy medium between launching a 10 year war and pretending nothing is wrong and there is no Islamic threat. I like an idea I saw posted a few days ago. Take the Islamic terrorists bodies and publicly dump pig guts on them and then bury them. And step up our enforcement at home.

  9. votermom says:

    From Drudge today

    vs

    bomber may have tried to kill himself via shooting a gun into his mouth. (aim UP, dummy)

    local mosque claims it threw out older bomber after rage-filled argument w/ imam

    • Somebody says:

      VM that top link of yours talks about an apartment complex near the university where the younger suspect went. In the article it mentios that a car with consulate tags arrived with the FBI…..interesting

  10. HELENK says:

    while we are supposed to believe that it is just a few crazies using religion as an excuse to kill, why aren’t the people of that religion standing up and yelling loudly this is wrong , this is not what we believe?
    while there are muslims who live in this country who kill their wives and daughters for some kind of so called “honor” why aren’t the people of that religion standing up and yelling loudly this is wrong, this is not what we believe?
    when girls get acid thrown in their faces for just going to school and get stoned to death for getting raped, why aren’t the people of that religion standing up and yelling loudly this is not what we believe?
    When a 75 year old woman get lashed for having her nephew bring her food, why aren’t the people of that religion standing up and yelling loudly this is not what we believe?
    If the “peaceful” muslims do not start standing up and yelling out and doing what they can to stop the horror inflicted on the world in their name, why should we have any respect or trust for them?

    • Underwhelmed says:

      The unfortunate conclusion to be drawn is that they believe all these actions are good and justified. And therein lies Islam’s incompatibility with every civilised society on the planet.

  11. HELENK says:

    Authorities don’t know if they will ever be able to question #BostonMarathon bombing suspect, Boston mayor says http://t.co/0pOmbnGoLb

    if he can communicate his basic needs, he can answer questions

  12. driguana says:

    Love the Wikipedia definition of “wingnut”: Wingnut (hardware), a nut with a pair of wings to enable it to be turned without tools, used where frequent adjustments are needed or part removal can be made quickly at some later stage.

  13. HELENK says:

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/04/politically-correct-epistemic-closure-counterattacks-boston-marathon-bombing-reality/

    now it starts, how it is all our country’s fault that these two misunderstood brothers killed.

    • driguana says:

      It’s unbelievable. The lead story in the Santa Fe New Mexican yesterday was about how these two guys came here as “refugees” from a war torn country to rebuild their lives…blah, blah, blah…noticed it was an AP story, too….they just spread this crap around. Since we are leaving Santa Fe in a week, I cancelled my subscription early…had it with this crap.

    • votermom says:

      So they really want to go there?
      Because maybe it IS blue state America’s fault:
      – for letting mosques recruit & indoctrinate within our own country
      – for hiring radical teachers in schools
      – for enclaves like Cambridge where everybody is encouraged to spout off anti-American rhetoric

  14. foxyladi14 says:

    It is always someone else’ s fault. 😯

  15. “I have a girl for you…Pamela Geller.” Ms. Geller is 54 years old and hardly a “girl.” Mr. Levin betrayed his own sexism with that comment. If it’s not okay to call the president of the United States “boy” it certainly should also be verboten to refer to a grown woman as “girl.”

  16. HELENK says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/bomber-father-anzor-tsarnaev-applied-for-political-asylum-in-us-there-was-a-manhunt-for-me-video/

    this does not make sense to me. if you are hunted in a country and ask for political asylum in another, why do you go back to the country that was hunting you?

  17. Underwhelmed says:

    It’s a pity he wasn’t rendered DOA like his brother. This is going to get very very ugly, with a breathtaking display of stupid.

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