Just Say No To Military Interventions

Crossing a ‘red line’? US says Syria used poison

The White House declared Thursday that U.S. intelligence indicates Syrian President Bashar Assad has twice used deadly chemical weapons in his country’s fierce civil war, a provocative action that would cross President Barack Obama’s “red line” for a significant military response. But the administration said the revelation won’t immediately change its stance on intervening.

The information, which has been known to the administration and some members of Congress for weeks, isn’t solid enough to warrant quick U.S. involvement in the 2-year-old conflict, the White House said. Officials said the assessments were made with “varying degrees of confidence” given the difficulty of information gathering in Syria, though there appeared to be little question within the intelligence community.

As recently as Tuesday, when an Israeli general added to the growing chorus that Assad had used chemical weapons, White House spokesman Jay Carney said the administration was continuing to monitor and investigate but had “not come to the conclusion that there has been that use.”

The Syrian civil war has persisted, with an estimated 70,000 dead. Obama has so far resisted pressure, both from Congress and from within his own administration, to arm the Syrian rebels or get involved militarily. He has, however, declared the use of chemical weapons a “game changer” that would have “enormous consequences.”

I grew up watching the Vietnam war on television. I was too young to serve in that conflict but I served with and worked with quite a few guys who were there. The war was sold as part of the fight against global communism. In reality it was a war of independence that morphed into a civil war, with the two main sides serving as proxies for the United States on one side and the USSR and China on the other. When it was over the major powers moved on to other things and the survivors in Vietnam seemed to have worked out a functional peace with each other.

As part of our “Cold War” strategy we supported various dictators around the world and opposed others. The only thing we really cared about was which side these tyrants picked in the global conflict. If the Soviets backed a government, we backed their enemies, both foreign and domestic.

We bought loyalty with food, money, and military aid. We turned a blind eye when that military aid was used to oppress these dictators’ own people. We even built a special school to train their secret police and death squads. We rigged elections, backed coups, and generally played chess using real people as pawns.

Many of our current international problems can be traced to things we did during the cold war, including our relationships (or lack thereof) with Iran, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Iraq and Syria. In each case, one thing led to another, and now here we are.

One lesson I have learned from all this is that nothing ever works out the way we were promised. There will always be unexpected consequences, and those consequences are generally gonna be unpleasant. It is tempting to think we can intervene to solve conflicts, but usually the best thing to do is quarantine the situation and let it play itself out.

Bashar al-Assad is the devil we know. If he is ousted there is no telling who or what will replace him, but it’s long odds against a democratic government in Syria anytime soon. We should have learned that after what took place in Libya and Egypt. If we intervene in Syria we will be looking at another Iraq – a quick and easy victory followed by a long and difficult occupation.

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73 Responses to Just Say No To Military Interventions

  1. Roberta says:

    I grew up watching Korean on TV. By the time Vietnam came along my friends were fighting, being maimed – physic ally and psychologically – and dying in that war.

    You managed to sum up the futility of the USA’s strategies and goals around the world in just a few paragraphs. Well said!

    • piper says:

      We lost over 58,000 men / women in the Vietnam Conflict (war) and since that ended have lost at least 60,000 more to the ticking time bomb called Agent Orange.

  2. myiq2xu says:
    • myiq2xu says:

      Ace of Spades:

      NYTimes finally catches up to Andrew Breitbart, discovers — shock! — that the Pigford settlements are a major scam and fraud magnet that the Obama Administration used (after circumventing career federal lawyers) to deal out phoney reparations to favored groups.

  3. votermom says:

    If I didn’t know better, I’d suspect the Obama admin of removing secular Middle East govts and letting the Muslim Brotherhood take over.
    But that would just be crazy talk, right?

  4. votermom says:

    Surprised to see Tapper tweet a link to this

  5. myiq2xu says:
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  8. votermom says:

    Malkin column in yahoo takes down Rubio’s immigration plan

    A National Security History Lesson for Marco Rubio

    By Michelle Malkin | Michelle Malkin – 5 hrs ago

    Florida GOP Sen. Marco Rubio seems well meaning enough. As second-generation conservative Americans, I know we both share a common passion for this great land of opportunity. But when it comes to comprehending the real agenda of the open-borders zealots he’s allied himself with, Rubio doesn’t have a clue.
    And his abject ignorance threatens all of us who cherish American sovereignty and exceptionalism.

  9. votermom says:

    My county library has this language learning program on the web (mango) – I’m trying it out.
    Pretty cool.
    If I had a usb microphone I’d even be able to compare my pronunciation.

    • Mary says:

      Geat rant, Miller!

      Amazing that we have a president who readily calls out Americans in W. Virginia, etc, for “clinging to their guns, Bible, and religion,” but he ain’t got the balls to say radical Islam clings to its Gods and guns/bombs.

  10. yttik says:

    When do we intervene? Some people believe the US is the root of all evil, but the truth is there have been several humanitarian atrocities that have happened when the US chose to not get involved. Rwanda for example. WW2 before we stepped in. The Kurds when we withdrew from the first gulf war.

    So many atrocities happened in Vietnam after we left. We were trying to air lift children out of there as fast as we could because we knew they’d all be killed as soon as we were gone.

  11. votermom says:

    Keith Koffler:
    Obama’s hubris problem
    Tuesday morning, a peculiar announcement trickled out of the White House press office: President Barack Obama would be holding a moment of silence for the victims of the Boston bombings. At the White House. By himself. No press or other intruders allowed.

    Except the White House photographer.


  12. votermom says:

    Why the heck do I have to read about this in the UK tabloids agian instead of in US news?


    Ukrainian Rutgers student arrested taking two IEDs into New York just a week before Boston Marathon bombing
    Eight days before the Boston Marathon bombing, police in New Jersey arrested a man traveling into New York with two homemade devices
    Rutgers student Mykyta Panasenko lived in Jersey City, but was originally from the Ukraine
    He has been ‘ recklessly creating widespread risk of injury or damage’
    His arrest only became public knowledge on Wednesday after appeared in court

    • DeniseVB says:

      Until a white Christian boy starts blowing up and maiming innocent men, women and children, I think it’s time we start profiling.

      Heck, if grannies were terrorizing the nation, I would understand being strip searched before going into a supermarket 😀

  13. votermom says:

    Historic Obama, first sitting President to address Planned Parenthood

    • DeniseVB says:

      Fox ran a clip from the Obama-Romney debate where Obama defended PP, probably for their donation to his campaign 😀 He has no clue how PP operates and I don’t think they do mammograms or treat cervical cancer like he said they did.

  14. votermom says:

  15. Somebody says:

    House just passed the bill to end ATC furloughs. Did anybody else watch the debate besides me?? OMG at the finger pointing and on and on about head start…..4 year olds without tricycles, sheesh.

    I guess it was of acute interest to me, probably not to the rest of you. I know hubby is glad it’s over, he was absolutely disgusted about being used as a political pawn. In six weeks maybe I’ll share a little of his disgust, probably won’t be anything surprising to you all though.

    Ah well glad it’s over and happy hubby will end his 31 year career soon………technically never having been used as a political pawn since he hasn’t had a furlough day yet.

    • votermom says:

      I’m glad!
      So disgusted it was even on the table, but Planned Parenthood funding – oh, THAT’S sacred!

    • HELENK says:

      great news

    • Karma says:

      No, it was a huge interest to me as well and I appreciate your reports. Actually went to sleep the other night determined to remember a spokesman’s name on Imus. And last night tried to find the video to share it with you, but no such luck.

      Anyway, Jim Marinitti (National ATC union rep out of FL, iirc) was on Imus the other morning when I channeled surfed into the conversation. He made much of the same case you’ve made here. Then Imus actually asked the question that no other reporter/journalist/talking head has asked. Is the point being floated that the sequester hits air traffic controllers hard because 70% of their budget is controllers/labor, in fact genuine?

      Marinitti said that the FAA has a huge budget and has many projects it can curtail rather than hit labor and safety.

      Frankly, I am disgusted too that the ATCs are being used as a political pawn. It’s like Obama wanted his Clinton moment of shutting down the govt to simple in an attempt to hurt Reps. Without realizing that intentionally implementing the cuts in way to impose the most pain isn’t what Clinton did.

      Thanks for the inside accounts and I look forward to anything else. It confirms what most of us know and the MSM doesn’t seem to want to expose. That once again, political theater is more important than Obama letting essential govt do it’s job.

      • Karma says:

        oops…bad editing…should be

        “shutting down the govt in an attempt to hurt Reps”

      • myiq2xu says:

        Clinton did everything he could to minimize the pain. And that was a real shutdown. The Sequester is just a minor budget cut.

        • Karma says:

          Exactly. A minor cut of a budget increase, no less.

          How do these dept justify operating just fine within those budget amounts in years prior? But suddenly the sky is falling now?

          Who but the kool-aid addled believes this bs?

        • Somebody says:

          This is interesting at least I think so.

          As for Clinton and the government shut down. He kept all air traffic services as well as law enforcement on the job……in essence robbing Peter to pay Paul to keep those going.

          It was because of how Clinton did things that I kept swearing up and down Obama could do the same. POTUS is basically the CEO. This wasn’t the first POTUS to deal with cuts, I think they all have at one point or another. They usually instruct the agency heads or the cabinet secretaries to move money around and keep essential services going………well all but one POTUS. Oh and Ray LaHood is one piece of work, as well as upper mangement at the FAA……that is all.

        • Somebody says:

          I will point out one fault in that article I linked. It said managers encouraged union workers to take the same furlough days.

          That may sound salacious but it’s not true. The union had no control over when a controller took their furlough day. Let me make this perfectly clear FAA management scheduled the furlough days, employees had no choice. The way the furloughs were scheduled was completely assinine, at least if you were trying to keep a facility staffed, particularly during peak times……..I’m sure the people in charge of figuring out the furloughs just didn’t understand scheduling…..yea that’s it.

          The only involvement the union had in furloughs was in the very beginning basically negotiating that employees had to be notified in writing. That the furlough hours had to be consecutive (something the FAA shouldn’t have agreed to), by consecutive it means one entire day and not 2 hours here and there. It would have sucked from an employee standpoint to show up for a couple of hours, traffic was light so they say go home you’re on furlough. However, from a public safety perspective that would have made more sense than entire days. There were a few other minor things, like controllers get paid a differential for night and weekends. Basically they negotiated that things had to be fair. Controller A couldn’t have all his furloughs be at night or on the weekend, when controller B was only being furloughed during the day shifts…….meaning controller A was losing more money than controller B. No playing favorites in other words.

          Beyond those things negotiated the full scheduling and implementation of the furloughs came from FAA management. I’m not nominating the union for sainthood, I’m just telling the truth.

          There is more, but my memory is hazy and won’t clear up for about six weeks.

  16. votermom says:

    • Karma says:

      I can’t imagine what the bombing victims feel after watching this lady.

      And it sounds like those on the terror watch list need to be watched more closely. How many of these jerks turn out to be already known to govts around the world?

  17. HELENK says:

    stolen from Rev Amy’s place


    difference between backtrack and bush

  18. HELENK says:

    fox news

    due to the way the bombs were denotated very possible another person involved

  19. votermom says:

    Sorry for the gawker link, just caught my eye

  20. HELENK says:


    backtrack did not cancel planned parenthood speech, he gave it today instead of last night.

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