Late Night Open Thread

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48 Responses to Late Night Open Thread

  1. Last thread was gettin’ kind of full. I was just testing to see if my new tablet actually worked for posting. Apparently it does, but when one is drinking, it double posts. My apologies that for that. On my fourth beer, but I can still spell so all is well with the world.

  2. repost from downstairs.

    Definition of “bird in the hand.” AKA, how the GOP has ensnared Obama.


  3. It’s “Real Story” week in the MSM. Here’s the latest real story, which is sure to provide you with a duh moment:

    Whoever heard of such a thing? Media Matters isn’t on the same page with the MSM, even when a Dem occupies the WH? Seriously???

  4. Somebody says:

    I posted this at the bottom of the last thread not knowing there was a new one up.

    So I was digging around on the IRS website. Mr. Miller was the deputy director over the tax exempt division as well as other divisions. When he became acting commissioner a guy named Joseph H. Grant became acting deputy in Miller’s old job.

    Prior to being acting deputy guess what Joseph H. Grant did? He headed up the Tax Exempt and Government Entities division, hmm. He was put in that position in late 2007.

    Prior to that he was director of EP (pensions and such). Mr. Grant came to the IRS in 2005 after a long stint at Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation. PBGC if you don’t know is a government owned corporation that basically takes over private pensions for various reasons usually as part of bankruptcy.

    Before Joseph H. Grant was at PBGC guess what he did? He was a Congressional staffer. I know he was a staffer on the oversight and social security committees back at least in the 80′s. I’m not sure how long he was a staffer or if he worked for any particular Congresscritter but it’s not for lack of trying to find out. I’m pretty curious who he worked for meow.

    My point being Mr. Grant is not your typical civil servant that worked his way up the ranks. This man clearly has some deep connections. Hell I’m curious why he left as director of PBGC for what was clearly a lesser position at IRS……odd. Standard board members of PBGC include Treasury Secretary, Commerce Secretary and Labor Secretary although they don’t always attend, also several of those cabinet members immediate underlings.

    I just found all of that interesting, maybe it’s just me.

    • I don’t think it is just you. I did a preliminary search, and turned up this from June 2012:

      So who are Miller and Grant? Has anyone complained to them about Crossroads GPS or any other super PAC-associated 501(c)(4)’s? Do they need a formal complaint to investigate? How quickly could they act if it’s clear to them that these are not really “social welfare organizations”? Can they conduct audits before the groups’ annual tax returns are due?

      Would an appeal to the courts of any IRS decision to revoke 501(c)(4) status and order donor disclosure under FEC rules guarantee the same delay that Bauer claims Rove’s group is playing for at the FEC? Or could the government get a quick injunction ordering the disclosure, on the grounds that it is highly likely to win its case and that a delay of disclosure beyond the election would cause irreparable harm (the usual standard for getting such injunctions)?

      What are the likely political implications of Miller and his staff acting, or not acting? The post-Nixon-era IRS has had a clean reputation for not politicizing its work. Could Miller and Grant act one way or the other without interference from Obama political appointees, and would the public accept that they are doing so purely on the merits? Or are people like Rove counting on exactly that kind of backlash?

      Looks like he did exactly as he was instructed…and the press was onto it early.

    • And this:

      As for Grant, starting Oct. 1, he will be responsible for leading the Employee Plans division, which is responsible for administering the law affecting more than one million public and private retirement plans that have almost $12 trillion under management. He replaces Carol Gold, EP director since November 1999, who has accepted a teaching position with the Federal Executive Institute in Charlottesville, Va.

      Grant joined the IRS in August 2005, as of director of the EP Rulings & Agreements division. He was responsible for EP determination letters, technical guidance, quality assurance and voluntary compliance programs. Before that, he was chief operating officer and a deputy executive director of the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC). There he exercised direct control over the legal, policy and benefit payment operations of the federal pension insurance program for more than 31,000 pension plans with 44 million participants.

      Prior to his service with the PBGC, Grant served on the staff of the Oversight and Social Security subcommittees of the Committee on Ways and Means of the U.S. House of Representatives.

    • Somebody says:

      I found this link though that says Grant was just now put in his position to replace Lois Lerner???

      Oh and I might be off on when he was a staffer. I know he was at PBGC during the Clinton years and most of W’s. I saw something referencing Grant and Treasury Secretary Snow, somehow in my mind I got Bush1 and Bush2’s Treasury Secretaries mixed up.

      So he could have been a staffer in the early 90’s or in the 80’s or both?

      This guy looks like somebody with deep connections in any event. I was trying to figure out where they lead back to, where he came from, but I came up dry.

      • Lulu says:

        He was there when corporations were shedding their responsibility on pensions. He is a fixer. The feds allowed private pension funds to default, take the money and put it into whatever, and not pay the legally owed pensions. Looks like he collects “achievement” awards and bonuses while screwing others. I hope Issa subpoenas him.

  5. myiq2xu says:

    Two boys decided to gang up on my #1 Grandson. One grabbed his arms and held him while the other tried to punch him.

    I doubt they’ll try that again.

    (My grandsons go to MMA class once a week)

    • myiq2xu says:

      Luckily his teacher saw what happened and only the other boys got in trouble. Nowadays kids can get in trouble for defending themselves from bullies.

      • Somebody says:

        I’m glad your grandson is OK and that he didn’t get in trouble.

        It’s very true kids can get in trouble for defending themselves. Years ago my son got in trouble for defending himself from someone trying to steal his lunch money. The cafeteria lady insisted my son was racist and attacked the young man due to his skin color, you know how often that happens in 2nd grade (eye roll). The assistant principal was all too ready to convict my son too. I was room mother and knew the child in question. I marched down to the class and made the little jerk confess. I don’t miss public school!!!

      • gxm17 says:

        That’s amazing. Your grandson is lucky. My son was suspended for giving a kid a hand up off the ground because the principal claimed he “got involved” in the fight. Another time, my daughter was suspended for being beaten up. She never threw a punch. The other (very large) girl had attacked her from behind. Each time, the principals admitted that my kid had not actually fought anyone but they insisted the rules are that with an altercation everyone who is “involved” gets punished.

    • HELENK says:

      glad he is all right. Good for him for defending himself

    • votermom says:

      Yay for self-defense!
      How old is number 1 grandson?

  6. HELENK says:

    Iowa Hawk

    David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 11m

    The media have spent less time investigating Obama than Obama has spent investigating the media.

  7. HELENK says:


  8. HELENK says:

    will the commenters from Texas please check in? Worried a little here

  9. HELENK says:

    hell must be going to freeze over

    tweety tingles bashes backtrack

    New York Times not happy with backtrack over AP mess

    Waking up is hard to do

    • myiq2xu says:

      Proliferating scandals expose truth about Obama
      President is Chicago politician, not Narnia faun

      Dogged by scandal, and with his press secretary presumably now curled up in the fetal position and breathing into a brown paper bag, it’s obvious President Barack Obama is in need.

      Our president must find his happy place again, away from irritating controversies.

      Like Benghazi, where four Americans died and he stood before the United Nations and made a phony reference to a ridiculous video in order to save his politics at the expense of the truth.

      And now it’s known that his Internal Revenue Service was used to threaten conservative and tea party groups and quash political dissent. The IRS also leaked damaging information from secret files against his political enemies to the media, prompting some to call him President Barack Milhous Obama.

      Another scandal, involving the Justice Department seizing reporters’ phone records hoping to find administration leaks, is a chilling assault on the First Amendment that would have made Nixon or J. Edgar Hoover smile.

      What Obama requires is another relaxing vacation. This time, the man needs a visit to Happy Land.

      So please take my hand, Mr. President, and we’ll fly there, over those political storm clouds in Washington, to where things were just about perfect:

      Back home to Chicago. Grant Park. November 2008.

      Can you remember the looks of genuine adoration in their eyes?

      Some were so overcome they couldn’t help but weep for joy. Others barely stopped their lips from twitching. Still others were wiggly with excitement, like puppies unable to keep still, and we know what puppies do when they’re excited.

      Many hugged and offered high-fives, or loudly clapped, or clinked glasses and gave each other profound smiles of satisfaction and joy.

      And that was just the journalists.

      The rest of Obama’s voters were ecstatic too. But as historians will no doubt tell us, American journalists were especially thrilled.

      Not all. A few grumpy types complained that messianic politics is never healthy for the Republic. But who could listen with all that joy in their ears?

      The Republican establishment — the War Party — had been vanquished, and deservedly so, for talking out of both sides of its mouth about the need for a smaller government while feeding from that monstrous defense industry trough. They’re in the wilderness still, and should remain there for a while.

      And Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton had already had her wings clipped. Remember? She and Bill had dared suggest that Obama had played the old Chicago race card on her in the Democratic presidential primary — that primary of the 3 a.m. phone call. The media response was to crush her.

      There was no memo, but the messengers gathered with common purpose, as if compelled by journalistic pheromones to do what must be done. And it was done. To Hillary. For her apostasy, she was almost cast out.

      Because Obama wasn’t just another politician. Reporters flocked to him as if he was the gentle forest faun, Mr. Tumnus straight out of the Narnia tales.

      And American journalism was like that little girl in the C.S. Lewis stories, Lucy Pevensie, graciously accepting his tea and cakes, nodding off to the music of his woodland pipes, sleeping on his couch, smiling.

      It was odd and somewhat frightening to watch so-called journalistic iconoclasts cleaving desperately to the myth of Obama as savior. His mouthpieces came up with excellent lines that were repeated endlessly, my favorite being that the guy from Chicago would transcend “the broken politics of the past.”

      Obama doesn’t bother me. I disagree with his politics, but that’s not what’s galling. What’s appalling was the pack mentality of journalists — and I don’t need polls to tell me that most are liberals — who were so eager to wag their tails at his approach.

      Benghazi is trouble enough for Obama, so troubling that a liberal soccer friend (yes, I do appreciate diversity of opinion) greeted me by sarcastically chanting, “Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!” as if that dusty, bloody town in Libya doesn’t mean a thing.

      But it means something to Obama’s credibility, which is now in tatters. And it means something to the four dead Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. It means something to the whistle-blowers who say they were pressured not to talk.

      And Benghazi means something to the presidential prospects of Hillary Clinton. The former secretary of state’s snarky comment “What difference, at this point, does it make?” will hang from her neck like the dead albatross in the poem. By 2016 it should be exceedingly ripe.

      These days, Benghazi is no longer being viewed as some isolated artifact in a glass jar. The other scandals have joined it, and combine in organic fashion to produce a president on the defensive. The Obama administration insists its fingerprints aren’t on this IRS business, and the president himself condemns it as an outrage.

      But it is worse than an outrage. And the president was the beneficiary. If he were truly angry, he’d have fired people immediately. The push by the White House for an “independent” investigation is also an outrage.

      It is the Congress’ job to investigate. Let them ask the IRS why it provided information damaging to tea party members and conservatives to investigative reporters at ProPublica.

      Using the IRS to smother dissent and grabbing the phone records of The Associated Press isn’t something a gentle Mr. Tumnus would do.

      But it is something done by politicians from Chicago, where government is the muscle that shuts the mouth.

  10. lyn says:

    Just read a comment that “Obama has gone the full Nixon.”

  11. votermom says:

    Dhzokar left a note in the boat

    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Left Liberal Talking Points in Boat
    The note, scrawled with a pen on the interior wall of the cabin, said the bombings were retribution for what the U.S. did to Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq, and called the Boston victims collateral damage in the way Muslims have been in the U.S.-driven wars. When you attack one Muslim, you attack all Muslims, the note added.

  12. votermom says:

    Sarah endorses GOP candidate in MO 8th district special election
    The outgoing representative is GOP, so it will be a loss in the House if Smith loses

  13. votermom says:

    ‘Frankly, I’d just as soon not use this’: Emails show the then CIA-chief David Petraeus objected to Obama administration’s version of Benghazi terror attack events
    The White House on Wednesday released 100 pages of emails detailing discussion inside the administration over last year’s deadly attacks on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya
    Among the details, the documents show that then-CIA Director David Petraeus objected to the final version that U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice used five days after the assault
    The handwritten note came from Petraeus’ deputy. On it, Mike Morell scratched out items eliminated from the CIA’s early drafts, including mentions of al-Qaeda
    After receiving Morell’s edited version, Petraeus wrote: ‘Frankly, I’d just as soon not use this’

  14. votermom says:

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