House Oversight Committee IRS Hearing Live Blog


Tune in to watch Lois Lerner take the Fifth. The fun starts at 9:30 eastern time.

I’ll be DVRing the festivities in case I forget to wake up on time.

(Graphic courtesy of Legal Insurrection)

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180 Responses to House Oversight Committee IRS Hearing Live Blog

  1. votermom says:

  2. elliesmom says:

    It’s OK if the White House sets a precedent of the IRS, the EPA, and OSHA targeting people who disagree with them, because doncha know there’s never going to be another Republican president.

  3. myiq2xu says:

    It may be almost 9:30 back east, but here on the left coast it’s the hairy buttcrack of dawn.

    • Mary says:

      NYT only cares about the AP/reporter story, cuz it might affect them. They’re right up The One’s butt on all the other scandals.

  4. myiq2xu says:

    For those of you with cable or satellite, the hearing is scheduled to be on C-Spam3

  5. myiq2xu says:

    I could do without the ceremonial speechifying.

  6. “The power to tax is the power to destroy.”


  7. votermom says:

    “This is more important than any one election….The power to tax is the power to destroy.” – @DarrellIssa

  8. votermom says:

    Gah, I’m twitmod already

  9. myiq2xu says:
    • Somebody says:

      Yes the IG report was in fact the bare minimum. A family member happens to know a retired IG and he was telling them that there are levels of investigation.

      I know a lot of people think highly of the IG in this case, but the retired IG doesn’t and he worked with him! The retired IG got frustrated with the hearings because he says the congresscritters don’t know the right questions to ask……you have to know the lingo.

      He did say the IG in question will cover his own ass above all else though. He thought there were certain lines he wouldn’t cross.

      • Worth repeating from yesterday:


        A limited hangout, or partial hangout, is a public relations or propaganda technique that involves the release of previously hidden information in order to prevent a greater exposure of more important details. It takes the form of deception, misdirection, or coverup often associated with intelligence agencies involving a release or β€œmea culpa” type of confession of only part of a set of previously hidden sensitive information, that establishes credibility for the one releasing the information who by the very act of confession appears to be β€œcoming clean” and acting with integrity; but in actuality, by withholding key facts, is protecting a deeper operation and those who could be exposed if the whole truth came out. In effect, if an array of offenses or misdeeds is suspected, this confession admits to a lesser offense while covering up the greater ones.

        A limited hangout typically is a response to lower the pressure felt from inquisitive investigators pursuing clues that threaten to expose everything, and the disclosure is often combined with red herrings or propaganda elements that lead to false trails, distractions, or ideological disinformation; thus allowing covert or criminal elements to continue in their improper activities.

        There’s almost surely a bigger scandal this limited IG report is covering, and at the IRS. Congress better get the right questions to ask if they want to uncover that.

        • Lulu says:

          Agree. They did it as a minimum audit. It was not an investigation. The audit was to figure out how to cover it up.

  10. Somebody says:

    I’m glad you all will be live blogging this so I can keep up with what is going on. I have the grandbaby again today so I can only pop in and out. Where is Lulu? I enjoyed her comments yesterday she cut to the chase and did so with wonderful humor!

  11. myiq2xu says:

    Elijah Cummings has a huge head.

  12. myiq2xu says:
  13. votermom says:

    Hah, I knew it, Cummings blaming Citizens United & Bush right now.

  14. catarina says:

    How long does Elijah the human hemroid get to talk?

  15. myiq2xu says:
  16. votermom says:

    Rep Jim Jordan tying the IRS inquisition to Obamacare

  17. catarina says:

    I’ve successfully represented taxpayers before the IRS for almost 30 years.

    Last year two of my clients, both outspoken critics of Obama, were audited and I’d go as far as to say harassed, by the IRS.

    The auditors were so rabid and so determined to take these business owners down it was the first time in my career I had to contact the ‘Taxpayer Advocacy’ office for assistance.
    One client, a small business owner (who owed NO tax!) had his bank account cleaned out. It took three months with help from the advocate, to get his money back.

    I hear helicopters, so I will shut up now.

    • helicopters over our center of town last week. Literally, 2 black helicopters circling crazy crazy low over the town center.

      • catarina says:

        Wonder if it was the same day my husband called on his way to work to tell me state police were going into the woods on the side of the highway with rifles and dogs. There were a lot of low flying helicopters too, not far from your town center.

    • votermom says:

      Do you ever get to pass along the names of these IRS auditors to anyone?

      • catarina says:

        Everything is done by “badge number,” which I always have to ask them to repeat because the spew it so fast it’s almost as if they don’t want you to be able to ID them.

        I sent letters with names and badge numbers of several IRS employees to the advocate and to supervisors. Every time I complained about conduct, case files were mysteriously “lost.” I have never, ever, seen anything like it.

        Around the same time as the targeting, the IRS proclaimed it was going to ‘regulate’ the tax professional industry. Hmm.. what could go wrong?
        That’s another whole story and they’ve been since slapped down by a judge. Appeal in process.

        Back to the hearing.. Lerner sure has some ‘tude!

    • yttik says:

      Last year the IRS did an audit on a local business and seized the guy’s bank account. He killed himself.

      • cynic says:

        My friend’s business was audited recently. All the auditer did was complain about her daughter’s sex life, and that she wasn’t coming back on a Fri. or Mon. She didn’t like working on those days, and she wasn’t afraid to tell people that.

  18. So glad I voted for Lynch. And yes I will be thrilled when Gomez beats the old geezer Markey.


  19. votermom says:

    Is a Dem actually threatening to appoint a Special Prosecutor?

  20. DeniseVB says:

    Lynch (D-Masshole) obstruction (the 5th) will lead to special prosecutor. There will be hell to pay …..

    • I would resent that remark, but we have a lovingly hand-made throw pillow embroidered with “Masshole” on our couch.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Not meant to be offensive, it’s a term of endearment in our house, hubby’s from Fall River so when he really, really, really pisses me off πŸ˜‰

      • catarina says:

        A “masshole” is what bitter clingers with guns here in MA call the dummy hole in a semi-auto that allows one to see if a round is chambered.
        A supposed “safety” feature but it’s really pretty dumb and helps restrict the kinds of firearms that are ‘legal’ and can be purchased here.
        Here come the damned copters again.

  21. myiq2xu says:
  22. votermom says:

    Doesn’t Shulman look a bit like Anthony Wiener?
    Or is it just that all dick faces look alike?

  23. myiq2xu says:

    Lois Lerner up now.

  24. myiq2xu says:
  25. myiq2xu says:
  26. Lerner looks scared, and about to cry. It’s like she was threatened.

  27. votermom says:

    Lerner – proud of her work. Has not done anything wrong.
    But can’t talk about said work for fear of incriminating herself. πŸ™„

  28. votermom says:

    Wait – did Issa just trick Lerner into waiving her 5th amendment? OMGLOL

  29. whoa, what? Gowdy says Lerner waived her 5th amendment rights by making an opening statement. room erupts in applause.

  30. @votermom LOL we just tweeted the same thing. GMTA this morning.

  31. catarina says:

    Wish Lerner’s ass would get hauled back in to testify.

  32. votermom says:

    Issa’s hearings are so much more fun than Baucus’

  33. DeniseVB says:

    Does the Oversight Committee have the authority to appoint a Special Prosecutor if the DOJ won’t ? Just wondering where all this is going today.

    • Mary says:

      As I understand, (correct me myiq, if needed) only DOJ can appoint a Special Prosecutor (ie, Holder).
      But Congress can appoint a Special Committee, with full subpeona power.

      I could be wrong, though.

  34. foxyladi14 says:

    Please be careful catarina. We defiantly have Targets on our backs. 😯

  35. catarina says:

    Lois Lerner: β€œI have not done anything wrong. I have not broken any laws. I have not violated any IRS rules or regulations.”

    Too bad taxpayers can’t say that during an audit, then get up and walk out.

  36. Mary says:

    Cummings wants it to be all Schuleman’s fault so he can say it was a Bush appointee who did the deed.

  37. lyn says:

    The whole efficiency excuse is bogus. If you really wanted to be efficient, the applications would have been grouped by date.

  38. DeniseVB says:

    True story…..

  39. Top story at Memeorandum right now:

    Had alleged ties to Boston Bomber. How convenient. Would not put it past these guys to kill a random dude who knew the Tsarnaevs just to bury all this shit.

  40. SHV says:

    “myiq2xu, on May 22, 2013 at 7:23 am said:

    Yeah, you don’t get to partially testify then invoke. All or nothing.”
    Going to the dentist , so don’t have time to research, but IIRC, I read years ago that the rules were changed after the HUAC, Mafia, etc. hearings, where witnesses were forced to use the 5th for “what is you name”, etc.

    • yep — 5th can only be used for specific testimony that might specifically incriminate you in the matter before the court or a future criminal proceeding.

      • Lulu says:

        I think she invoked it because she has been involved in or is aware of criminal activity. She may not think so because she is an idiot or an ideologue, but her attorneys know it. She was a primary actor in the FEC against the Christian Coalition and had to move to the IRS in 2003 because the FEC lost all of their lawsuits. She was laterally moved to the IRS so she could keep a job and then got into the same kind of trouble ten years later. She must resign today or retire as she seems to have plenty of time in.

      • myiq2xu says:

        It’s the same way you can refuse to answer questions from cops but you can still give them your name, address and other identifying information.

  41. foxyladi14 says:

    Can RICO charges be filed against the IRS??? πŸ™‚

  42. Lulu says:

    Connaly represents a district that is bedroom communities of DC. He is trying to give cover to the poor overworked civil servants. This is the topic/theme of the day.

    Affordable care act meetings!!!! LOL. I am just following orders. Shulman is a putz.

    • Lulu says:

      Shulman doesn’t read letters from Congress so he won’t remember them. Those letters are farmed out to drones in Congressional Affairs who have my siggy stamp.

      • Lulu says:

        Shulman served 4 years and 8 month of 5 year term. Did he quit 4 months early? This happened and he is sorry it happened while he was not reading letters from Congress.

        • Somebody says:

          Nah he didn’t leave 4 months early, he left at the end of the calendar year so he could cash out the maximum amount of annual leave. A federal employee can only carry over 240 hours, so he carried over his 240 and then banked a full year’s worth of leave at 8 hours a paycheck to cash out at maximum.

          The bastard probably gave himself administrative leave anytime he wanted a vacation his last year…….I have no knowlege of that I’m just being snarky

        • Somebody says:

          Correction he did leave 4 months early for the above reasons. My point being he wasn’t pressured out or anything.

        • Lulu says:

          I have been out of fed service a long time. It used to be that the leave was paid in last salary check after you left and your replacement was already in place. Usually important jobs like a commissioner are in place and ready to go as soon as the outgoing one leaves. But this is a very slap dash non-professional WH.

  43. Mary says:

    Schulman made 118 visits to the White House. Hmmmmmm

    • Somebody says:

      I’m curious is any of the deputy commissioners visited the WH. Like Miller, Grant, Lerner or Ingram????? It would be very unusual for a deputy to visit the WH

      • Mary says:

        Those deputy commissioners could just meet with a deputy Treasury position, and that’s how the info gets to a deputy position in the WH. Simple.

    • mcnorman says:

      Yes, but he acknowledged that one visit for sure was the Easter Egg Roll. I kid you not.

  44. swanspirit says:

    Am liking Lankford a whole lot !! Lets get all the people named in the letter I received, YEAH go GET EM!

    • Mary says:

      I suspect that the names of the people who made those lists come from the Washington DC office, and they may very well have skipped over Shulman completely.

  45. myiq2xu says:
  46. HELENK says:

    we have a government who knows nothing unless they read in the newspaper. why are we paying them? When I worked I was supposed to know information pertaining to my job and be prepared to answer questions about what happened.

    seems to be an epidemic of memory loss in DC. should the IHS investigate the cause?

  47. Lulu says:

    The talking points by these Democratic Congresscritters is embarrassing. They are too damned lazy to even re-word them. They just read them out verbatim. Blah, blah, blah. Same crap over and over.

  48. leslie says:

    I only got to hear Tammy Duckworth briefly as I was in a meeting for the last hour+. I was surprised to hear her be as tough sounding as she was. It didn’t sound like she was letting the man she was interviewing, get away with not taking responsibility for the actions that occurred on his watch.

  49. swanspirit says:

    RUH ROH Meehan has a letter that says the questions were coming from the Washington D.C.

  50. Mary says:

    Gowdy kicking some ass!

  51. Lulu says:

    Gowdy: Do you have a limp noodle Mr Shulman?
    Shulman: Uh, I don’t know, I forgot.
    Gowdy: Did you refer for a criminal investigation?
    Shulman: There was an investigation audit thingie.
    Recess to pee. Break not recess. Clean yourself up. Change your Depends.

  52. fembotsforobama says:

    ‘Greepeace was a target. It’s all ambiguous policy,’ says Horsford. Now, bring on Obamacare.

  53. Lulu says:

    Cong Horsford: It is the law’s fault. We need new policy and law. We need new laws to ignore.

    • fembotsforobama says:

      The comments about Citizens United just emphasizes the point that real individuals were inappropriately targeted because they sought to exercise their constitutional rights before an election.

  54. fembotsforobama says:

    Farenthold makes the point: ‘Aren’t there electronic procedures in place that alert higher-ups when goals aren’t being met?”

    Apparently, IRS not up to current electronic processes like in Farenthold’s legal office. The feds don’t have computers and IT people to ensure efficiency?

    • Lulu says:

      Every letter sent is generated by a case management system. All government entities are fully automated. This is bullshit. The case management system can be used to track every single action in the federal government and especially the IRS. The lawyers in IRS DC have case management systems too.

  55. Lulu says:

    We need more government employees. Government is hard. More managers especially are needed. And maybe some computers and stuff.

    • fembotsforobama says:

      LOL. Make it some computers that actually work. Not the paperweights on our desks.

  56. You know the *one* the only one liberal group that was scrutinized by the IRS and eventually denied 501(c)4 status is a group that trains women to run for office. This admin really hates women.

    • mcnorman says:

      I’m so shocked, not. Again, the msm refuses to point these minor details out to the citizens.

    • swanspirit says:

      Stolen and posted on FB πŸ˜‰

      • The group is called Emerge and has local state chapters around the country. Very well-meaning and professional. I know because I did their training. The actual program is actually not very political at all (it’s all about learning to be a public speaker and the mechanics of building a campaign), but at least in Mass all the members were clearly Dems and worse obama acolytes so I left before the end, but seriously it is actually not a partisan group.

        • Lulu says:

          You stated right there why they were targeted and denied. They were not partisan and political enough so they denied.

  57. OT- a British soldier was just beheaded in London by machete-wielding Muslims. Witnesses report Muslim man with blood on his hands yelling “we swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you.”

    Google “woolwich beheading”

  58. votermom says:
    ‘Soldier beheaded’ in ‘Islamist terror attack’ oustide barracks in Woolwich
    Two suspected terrorists were shot by armed police after attacking a pedestrian, believed to be a soldier, with a machete-style knife close to military barracks in an ‘Islamist attack’.

    • I thought England was supposed to be gun-free?? And it took 20 minutes for police to get here because they were waiting for armed police? This is just messed up.

  59. HELENK says:

    oh oh Thune sends letter requesting suspension of obamacare IRS regulations

  60. Lulu says:

    Will there be another new IRS commissioner next week who doesn’t know anything?

  61. Mary says:

    Did I hear the IG say the IRS destroyed information?

  62. fembotsforobama says:

    Lummis rocks! “Trust has been destroyed.” in the IRS.

    • fembotsforobama says:

      ‘The IRS is Goliath. The grassroots orgs are all Davids.’ The best analogy I’ve heard thus far.

  63. DeniseVB says:

    The Treasury Union (includes IRS employees) has requested a waiver from Obamacare. Sweet irony.

  64. Lulu says:

    Shulman has a VERY select memory. It is truly astonishing how and what he remembers and what he doesn’t.

  65. Lulu says:

    The people who were interviewed for the IG audit were all accompanied by a IRS management minder. The Treasury union agreed to this if this person would leave the room for a few minutes at the end to let them ask questions of the IG investigators. The Treasury union is as crooked as the Treasury officials. The IG is claiming he did not know this.

    • Lulu says:

      And the minder accompanying employees for the Treasury IG audit interviews was supposedly Lerner’s idea.

    • fembotsforobama says:

      Lulu, are these “management minders” standard use at the federal level? I can understand if the individual wants representation, but required “minders” while providing information. Seems to me that this administration is afraid of its own bureaucracy. I’ve never seen anything like this.

    • Lulu says:

      Yes they try to do it and are usually denied. If it is management involved screwups they are usually denied. If it is employee fraud or stuff like that they may let them set in. Most unions throw fits if they try to do it but the Treasury union in this case appears to have co-operated which is strange.

      • fembotsforobama says:

        That was my impression. Why the federal union would not be up in arms about this is beyond me. Here you have management forcing employees (whom I’m assuming unless they are contracted and are not regular bureaucrats) are endangering their ability to protect themselves. Would they be able to say later that “management made me say that because they forced me to have a minder present, and I was precluded from providing my own thoughts, etc.” In other words, ‘my individual right to free speech and self-representation was denied by the very group that is being taken to task for denying others’ such rights and abusing power to shut down free speech on a grand scale.’ The way the low-level bureaucrats are being guided by this administration is truly chilling. And what is even more chilling is union people are not up in arms about this. If it can happen at the fed level, imagine what’s going on at the state one.

  66. Lulu says:

    Issa is recessing with no adjournment. Lerner waived her right to the 5th by making a statement and by approving prior statements. She is in hot water.

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