Five Years Ago The Democrats Stole Our Votes


Today is the day we mourn the death of democracy in the Democratic party. On this day in 2008 the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee effectively stole the nomination from Hillary Clinton and gave it to Barack Obama.

In August 2006, the Democratic National Committee adopted a rule that only Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina would be allowed to hold primaries or caucuses before Super Tuesday (February 5, 2008). Subsequently, the duly elected representatives of the people of Michigan and Florida set their primary elections in January. So then the DNC ruled that Florida’s 185 pledged delegates and 26 superdelegates as well as Michigan’s 128 pledged delegates and 29 superdelegates would not count in the nominating contest.

At Obama’s suggestion, he and Edwards, Biden and Richardson removed their names from the Michigan ballot, then urged their supporters to vote “uncommitted.” They did this to curry favor with the voters of Iowa and New Hampshire. Hillary Clinton kept her name as did Chris Dodd. All the candidates remained on the Florida ballot but agreed not to campaign in either state.

Both states held their official primaries in January 2008. Hillary won handily in both contests, getting 54.61% of the votes in Michigan and 49.77% in Florida. Barack Obama got 32.93% in Florida and no votes in Michigan. “Uncommitted” received 39.61% of the Michigan votes.

Hillary proposed that the election results stand and that both states’ delegations be seated accordingly at the DNC convention. The Obama campaign opposed that proposal because it would have cut his narrow lead in pledged delegates by more than 50%. Clinton supporters argued for re-votes in both states, but Obama supporters quietly blocked the idea.

Due to wins in traditionally red states and small caucus states as well as complex rules for the proportional awarding of delegates (where winning over 50% of the vote could result in substantially less than 50% of the delegates) Obama had taken the lead in pledged delegates. Hillary had won all the big states (except Illinois) and all of the “purple” or “swing” states that were critical to winning in November.

Despite claims by the media and the Obama campaign (but I repeat myself) that he was the inevitable winner, Hillary continued to win big victories in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania as well as several smaller states. By the end of May Obama’s lead in pledged delegates was less than the number of pledged delegates at stake in Florida and Michigan.

The Rules and Bylaws committee met on May 31, 2008 at the Marriott in Washington DC. According to the rules the RBC committee meeting was supposed to be open to the public. At a backroom meeting during the lunch break the committee made the following decision:

Half votes would be restored to the delegates from both states. Florida’s delegates would be awarded according to the election results. Obama would be awarded all of the uncommitted delegates in Michigan plus four of Hillary’s delegates.

Why is this important?

When the primaries ended a few days later on June 3rd, Obama had an official lead of 62 pledged delegates and Hillary was ahead in actual votes. If the delegates had been awarded at full voting strength according to the official results, it would have been a net gain for Hillary of over 100 pledged delegates.

Although neither candidate would have had enough pledged delegates to clinch the nomination, but for the RBC decision Hillary would have finished in the lead for total votes AND pledged delegates!

Either way it was ultimately the superdelegates – members of the Democratic party establishment – that selected Barack Obama as the nominee. They did this in defiance of democratic principles and the will of the voters.

That is something we will never forgive, and never forget.

UPDATE: It’s not about Hillary. It never was. They stole our votes.

“My momma taught me to play by the rules and respect those rules. My mother taught me, and I’m sure your mother taught you, that when you decide to change the rules, middle of the game, end of the game, that is referred to as cheating.”

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130 Responses to Five Years Ago The Democrats Stole Our Votes

  1. 49erDweet says:

    Wondering if we’re seeing the handwriting on the wall for US in the spate of recent anti-M riots in Myanmar? From a number of sources it appears after a series of deadly B (89% of pop) v. M (4% of pop) incidents last year, in which B citizen’s wasted no time reacting strongly to M physical attacks, once again this week the B in one town took the law into their own hands after one of their own women suffered unprovoked brutality at the hands of an M. In spite of the opinions of those that know more than us, occasionally these M guys keep violently nickel and dime-ing us. I’m not so sure anymore the Myanmar reaction isn’t the way to go. It certainly has their do-nothing government whipped.

  2. wmcb says:

    Good Lord, this means I’ve been hanging out with some of you miscreants for 6 years. 😯

    *clinks glass* Here’s to principled friends, bitter clingers, sino-peruvian lesbian hags, and not knuckling under. To handing each other shovels to dig through the constant bullshit, as we find our muddled way.

    *clinks again* Here’s to the wisdom of never being 100% certain of anything or anyone, but doing your best to figure it out (though I could be wrong about that). We got this. Sorta.

  3. lildoggy4u says:

    Hope its ok to tweet this post cause I done it.

    • myiq2xu says:

      I was hoping to keep all my posts “invitation only” cuz I would hate for this place to get crowded.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Well, if myiq wants to keep the crowds away he’d take the damn tweet button off his blog 😀 Tweeted ! Because we must never forget.

  4. Lulu says:

    I still feel nauseous when I read about it. But enough time has passed that my revenge is served up cold. I have only voted for one Democrat since that fateful time (my state rep who I know well and like) and he lost. It takes a while for things to shake out. In my little city we are in the process of cleaning out the school board. Boy were the nitwits that just got thrown out surprised! I think Democrats are getting very nervous as they should. They hear the train a coming, it is coming round the bend. And I suggest that they all retire before we do it for you, you assholes.

    • wmcb says:

      HONK! I don’t get upset over it anymore, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for a Dem again, because they show no signs of changing. I’m not hot over it anymore – I am stone cold ice, and to any who know me, that’s worse.

      • Lulu says:

        For all the Dems were were not Obama flunkies before May 31, 2008 and threw in with Obama in craven cowardice and opportunism, I hope they understand what Obamacare and the IRS scandal is going to do to their careers. Most of them are in hiding and nowhere to be seen. Worthless do nothings.

      • Anthony says:

        I’m not hot over it anymore – I am stone cold ice, and to any who know me, that’s worse.


      • Constance says:

        I’m still upset. The Democrats pretty much shattered my illusions of democracy.

        • insanelysane says:

          This day needs to be commerated. It needs a name. A day that shall live in our collective memory.

          After watching Harold Ikes I was standing and clapping and I felt compelled to keep clapping. It is that important a day . I watched it live 5 years ago and was outraged.
          I watched it again today and was awed.
          He saw clearly spoke sussinctly what we here now see.
          The hijacking.
          Democracy stolen. That is the story of 2008.

    • lyn says:


    • leslie says:

      What Lulu (and wmcb and Anthony and catarina and foxy and Constance and lyn) said.

    • Erica says:

      Major honk to all these comments. The Dems still call me, and I still suggest they google May 31, 2008. They all deserve what they get from that day on.

      Thanks to everyone here who keeps the memory, and hence the realness, of the Dems shameless pandering and disregard of democratic principles alive.

  5. Oh gosh. Five years. Five years of Barack Obama. Five more to go. LOL! (you KNOW if/when he leaves after this term the MSM will still follow him around like the lapdog it is for at least a year)

    I was in DC. I was co-organizer of the largest group bussed up from Florida. I stood outside for ages, and then went in to sit with the Florida Delegation on the Floor.

    It was tragic – and SO RIGGED. It was the murder of equal representation in the Democratic Party.

    So are we really surprised at all the law-breaking now? This gang got away with it from the start. It’s what they know – it’s how they roll.

    With hope – and a lot more mad Americans – at least some of these thugs will be where they belong.

    • wmcb says:

      That’s what the Republicans never understood. If they had, they could have sunk Obama. But they thought it was about Hillary – sour grapes, yada yada.

      It was never about Hillary (well, maybe for a few it was). It was about the lying and strongarming and cheating behind the scenes. It was about the utter rank corruption of the Obama machine. Payoffs and threats, betrayal of the ballot box. If the R’s had had the sense to jump on it as the true scandal it was, they might have avoided a repeat of those same illegal bully tactics once he got in office.

      I think some of the rank and file R’s just thought “haven’t the D’s always been that way?” But no, they hadn’t. Oh sure, some were. I saw plenty of that over the years. There were some nasty tricks and shady political operatives always around. But not a total takeover party wide by cold-eyed lawless thugs. That was new. That was the Chicago Machine gone national. And the GOP entirely missed it til it was too late, because they wanted to play nice – and it was only some crazy Hillary supporters complaining anyway.

      • swanspirit says:

        The extortion from the likes of Mooochelle and Prima Donna , who basically just threatened that the African American community would just stay home if BananaObamaRepublic wasn’t the candidate ;and the misogyny , you know from the guy who was a “feminist “.
        I will never forget Michelle on Larry King saying she wasn’t sure if she could support Hillary and she didn’t like her “tone” .

        • sleepyhead says:

          Oh, I remember that too. Michelle would “have to think about it” and it would “depend on her tone”. I had no words for how angry I was at that moment and just kept sputtering. I feel nauseated just thinking about that holier-than-thou harpy.

      • Internal Exile says:

        GOP passivity makes sense if one assumes that the same Malefactors Of Great Wealth own both major parties, and the MOGW ordered the GOP to take a dive in 2008.

        Why? Because the Chimperial Darth Cheney Administration had failed so miserably, and made the GOP brand name so toxic, that the MOGW knew they couldn’t install another Reptilian in the White House without rigging the general election beyond the limits of plausible deniability. Instead, they found a pliable, treacherous Dinocrat to do their dirty work, and rigged the Dinocratic nomination six ways from Sunday.

        Indeed, a Dinocrat offered a possibility for the MOGW no Reptilian could offer them: the chance to kill Medicare and steal Social Security. (Old Vulcan proverb: Only Nixon could go to China.) 😉

        I’m guessing (emphasis on guessing) the MOGW offered Hillary the free ride into the WH first, but she refused to kill Medicare and hand SS over to the jackals of Wall Street.

        As for 2012, Obummer had served the MOGW so well that they decided to keep him.

        Does anyone else find this scenario plausible?

        • yep. and not for the first time here. especially the part about HRC. She wouldn’t play ball.

        • Erica says:

          Yes. I’ve long thought that both Hillary and McCain were not pliable enough for the true powers that be in this country. Therefore the word went to both their parties not to let them win. The fact that they hit the jackpot of total corruption and disdain for democracy with the Dems was a bonus that probably came as a surprise.

  6. votermom says:

    OT seen on ace, this grocery map cracks me up

  7. yttik says:

    I try to remember who I was five, six years ago. We had retirement savings, medical insurance, three of the kids had moved off to college, gas was a 1.64 a gallon. I use to bake cookies for the Dem meetings and dress up like the statue of liberty to march in parades. We got slammed financially, our son moved back home and then my mother lost her house and moved in, too. We went from an empty nest to seriously overcrowded. Then we lost all our friends, mostly because I just can’t tolerate kool aid drinkers anymore. It takes everything I’ve got to bite my tongue and smile politely while they spew their crap, so I reserve that for a few family members and old friends. But it’s not the same, I just can’t respect people who don’t think for themselves anymore. I keep our conversations and visits to a minimum so my self control doesn’t crack. I’d hate to tell grandma to F-off.

    Oh yeah, Lulu and wcmb are right, stone cold ice, and I cling bitterly to it, too. They didn’t just steal our votes, they stole my belief in the Dem party, my politics, my finances, my friends, but in a strange way I’m glad it all happened because I’m wide awake now and I wouldn’t want to go back.

    • wmcb says:

      These people have been grabbing money and power with both hands and stuffing it in their bras and socks while my goddamned country burns.

      I despise them, every one.

      • wmcb says:

        Oh, and as for the well-intentioned among them (and there are some), I DO NOT CARE. You are guilty too. Because if you are blind, it’s because you deliberately closed your eyes. That’s on you, fuckers, and you don’t get a pass from me because you had “noble goals” or were witlessly escared of Sarah Palin.

        • yttik says:

          Oh I know! The well intentioned really piss me off because they are willfully blind. At least the truly stupid have an excuse.

        • votermom says:

          My biggest disappointment is the scifi/fantasy publishing crowd. I’ve been an avid sff reader since I was a kid; and it really soured me to discover how willfully blind and indoctrinated they are.
          (Most of them anyway)

        • wmcb says:

          Agreed, votermom. You’d think the sci/fi crowd, of all people, would recognize blatant authoritarianism (with an agenda for even more of it) when it was staring them in the face, but nope.

          I think that blows my mind the most. People who so clearly saw Bush’s power grabs (which I yelled about too) won’t even admit to the existence of a problem now. HUH???? Bush/Cheney look like fucking pikers compared to this crew! Bush slyly circumvented, very carefully. Obama just brazenly seizes power left and right with no qualm or restraint whatsoever, and sneers and dares anyone to stop him.

        • votermom says:

          I think that blows my mind the most. People who so clearly saw Bush’s power grabs (which I yelled about too) won’t even admit to the existence of a problem now. HUH????

          Every now & then I go to any lefty writer’s site and google anything related to an Obama scandal and get zilch.
          They ignore it completely.

        • Lulu says:

          The sci/fi and hipsters only recognize authoritarians if there has been a graphic novel or comic book with very close parallels to what is going on. I find them amazingly unperceptive and unable to connect the dots. Excitable but dim.

        • Underwhelmed says:

          Oh, Votermom. you have no idea. To be even a centrist in that mob is a lonely, lonely thing.

        • votermom says:

          When I read urban fantasy or sf now to keep up with a series I’m hooked on, I have to steel myself to be ready for the stereotypes of right-wing villainy and liberal utopia.
          I just mentally put it in a “cultural backwardness closet.”
          Like reminding myself before reading Huck Finn that the n word was common and unremarkable back then.

  8. votermom says:


    -State Dept asked hospital to list Stevens as John Doe in attempt to avoid “drawing undue attention” to the victim as they tried to recover the body

    According to the official, U.S. officials aren’t certain to this day whether Stevens was still alive when local Libyans made cell phone video recordings of his body being carried or dragged from the U.S. mission, possibly by looters. And they still don’t know exactly who transported him to the Benghazi Medical Center where they say medical personnel attempted resuscitation, unsuccessfully, for about 40 minutes (90 minutes, according to published accounts from a Libyan doctor).

    On Friday, Sept. 14, the victims’ bodies arrived in the U.S. at Andrews Air Force base for a ceremony. Stevens’ body was then taken to an FBI facility in Dover, Del., for an autopsy which revealed he died of asphyxia, presumably from smoke inhalation. Officials found no internal damage, no indication of assault and no mistreatment of his body.

  9. votermom says:

    Hillary’s popularity down from all time high of 61 % to 52%

  10. Anthony says:

    Lowlife fucking snake and epic ladder-kicker Nancy “I’m not dead – its just bad lighting” Pelosi prays that Hillary will run in 2016.

  11. lyn says:

    I’ll never forget or forgive. The Dems lost me forevah.

  12. votermom says:

    OT Another child abuse incident in public schools

    • catarina says:

      That is sick.
      Maybe a legislator will step up and buy the poor kid an NRA membership:

      (Reuters) – An 8-year-old Maryland boy who was suspended from school for nibbling a pastry snack into the shape of a gun has been given a junior membership in the National Rifle Association.

      After hearing about Josh Welch’s suspension from Park Elementary School in Anne Arundel County, a state legislator paid $550 to buy him a Junior Life Membership in the NRA, Welch’s lawyer said on Thursday.

  13. swanspirit says:

    Since that infamous Saturday , I have never voted for anyone with a D next to their name , and I may never again . The Obamacrats have still not made a single effort to reform the primary, the superdelegates are still there . They showed me who they were , and above all , yes they stole my vote. No going back after that

    • wmcb says:

      I’ll vote for an R, an L, a flat out wild-eyed minarchist or the looniest pie-in-the-sky moonbat Greenie you ever saw before I’ll vote for a D. They’d have to seriously clean house before I’d ever consider even a local, reasonable, moderate D. Too many lies. Don’t trust a one of them. At least the minarchist and the moonbat are honest with their crazy, so I can weigh the potential damage. Plus the crazies will amass no power anyway ;D

      I’m in “shake it up, sow confusion, monkeywrench those bastards and keep them all from consolidating” mode. CRAZIES 2014!!!!!!

  14. DeniseVB says:

    Things are getting interesting in Virginia, the gov’s race is getting nasty, so here’s what the D’s put up…..and he’s ahead right now:

    And you just know the vile progs and low information voters will slobber all over this like that woman Romney gave cancer to.

    • Erica says:

      Oh, it was so painful to watch him speaking and realizing that his party was slaughtering democracy as he spoke. Very valiant but for naught. I’d give my right arm to know what he thinks about it now.

      • lililam says:

        I agree- one of the last uncensored voices, for naught. And one of the last times Hillary was overtly fighting. Has anyone heard from Ickes? That a-hole Roosevelt and that schnook Alexis Berman.

  15. DeniseVB says:

    OT: Jessica Simpson in her high school production of Chorus Line. Thought we could use a mental break 😀

  16. HELENK says:

    do not see any democratic names only republican signing this letter. that says a lot about today’s democrats

  17. votermom says:

    So, an Army Vet with a wife & 5 kids sent the ricin letters?
    I’m sure this guy is as guilty as that Elvis impersonator.

  18. HELENK says:

    check out where the money comes from. You know those 1%ers that the dems are always blaming for everything

  19. votermom says:

  20. HELENK says:

    the schools are getting more and more crazy every day. by the time this kids get out they will be afraid of their own shadows. My kid would not be sent back to that loony bin, no matter what I had to do to get the money to send them to a private school

  21. HELENK says:

    end of the old order. as usual VDH makes some great points

  22. votermom says:

    This is the worst public school news story you will read today (I hope)

  23. HELENK says:

    this does not sound good at all, especially under the backtrack bunch


  24. fembotsforobama says:

    The profile for this group is beyond creepy. I was a member but after seeing this Forward Hillary crap, I’ve reconsidered:

  25. HELENK says:

    backtrack will sign UN anti gun treaty on June 3rd

    biggest enemy of this country in my lifetime put in a position to do the most harm

    • HELENK says:

      this is what the democratic party did on May 31st 2008. they should never be forgiven and it should not be forgotten.

      think what they did to the country on that day. along with taking away our vote, they put in place people that want to take away our freedoms and weaken this country

      • wmcb says:

        Oh, barring some miraculous sea change in the D party, they have an implacable enemy in me til I die.

        You Don’t. Sell. Out. My. Fucking. Country. I don’t care what your political label is. I’ve always been the practical sort where politics is concerned. I weigh and balance and say “meh” to a lot of tradeoffs, because pols will be pols.

        But not on that. That is blood and bone deep for me. They ought to all be frogmarched for Benghazi and the Arab Spring alone, including Hillary. There’s not one ounce of forgiveness or understanding in me for what they have done. And that includes the “innocent” background Dems now scrambling to minimize the damage and protect their precious party.

        I’ve voted D, I’ve voted R, but I am an American, fuckers. I’ve never forgotten that, and I never will.

  26. wmcb says:

    And BTW, to any former associates who may be lurking:

    We were RIGHT, assholes. We were fucking right all along, about all of it, about how dangerous he was, about opposing him at all cost, while you flapped around in every tribal partisan wind that blew. And you fucking KNOW it, deep down.

    You will never ever admit it, but you fucking well know it. We were solid goddamned RIGHT at every juncture.

  27. votermom says:

    I love making new friends on twitter 😆

  28. HELENK says:

    SEAL team 6 coverup. please do not let this be forgotten

  29. votermom says:
    Rep. Stockman: Dems calling my office say women shouldn’t ‘be allowed’ to use guns against rapists

  30. wmcb says:

    Another thing we were called paranoid loons for back in 2008: Noticing that Google was actively helping the Obama campaign, disappearing critical articles, bumping up bad ones about his opponests, etc..

    Uh huh. Turns out the CEO was an unpaid advisor running Obama’s tech stuff – they admit it now. We were right. Again.

  31. the bile in me rises still as if it were yesterday. I’m mostly mad because I used to think that being a Democrat meant something important. what an eye opener. The Dems are no better than the R’s in my book. Worse……

    And I ain’t shilling for either of them ever again!!

  32. votermom says:

  33. leslie says:

    ““My momma taught me to play by the rules and respect those rules. My mother taught me, and I’m sure your mother taught you, that when you decide to change the rules, middle of the game, end of the game, that is referred to as cheating.”

    Her mother must be so proud.

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