All The Freedom You Need

Via Hot Air:

PROTESTER: We’re at a point in our history where we need to be a little more open-minded. Um, a little bit more liberal on views all across the board.

WEISSMUELLER: [The] Kochs self-describe as libertarian, and they fund a lot of groups that are against the drug war. The LA Times came out against Prop 19, which would have legalized marijuana in LA, and they’ve pushed anti-dispensary measures. Are you worried that in some sense they would push the LA Times to the left on those kind of issues?

PROTESTER: Um, I believe that regardless of their views, it’s not what the general populace needs.

Apparently the LA Times is up for sale and the billionaire Koch (pronounced “coke”) brothers are believed to be interested in buying the rag. This possibility has the Vile Progs’ collective panties in a bunch.

I guess freedom is a difficult concept for some people.

Yes, the Koch brothers are feelthy riche bazillionaires. So is George Soros. Show me a major media outlet (print, radio or television) that is owned by a Joe or Jane Bagodonuts. But the Koch’s wealth isn’t the real issue here, it’s their politics.

You cannot suppress alternative points of view in the name of freedom. Liberty and censorship are mutually exclusive and the remedy for “bad” speech is more speech. That’s what the whole “marketplace of ideas” concept is all about.

I certainly don’t want the Vile Progs deciding how much “freedom” I need and what ideas I should be allowed to hear.

Do you?

“America isn’t easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, ’cause it’s gonna put up a fight. It’s gonna say “You want free speech? Let’s see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who’s standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can’t just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the ‘land of the free'”.

(Michael Douglas in “The American President”)

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57 Responses to All The Freedom You Need

  1. Underwhelmed says:

    Words written by Aaron Sorkin, who has himself now betrayed them so completely that it makes my heart break.

    As for the rest of your post — you silly, silly man. When will you understand that the only worthwhile free speech is of the left?

    • DeniseVB says:

      “The American President” is my favorite Democrat, and what the party “used” to be. That movie gave birth to the West Wing series, which gave us another wonderful Democratic president role model. The “evil” Republicans portrayed in both are what the Dems are today, vile, clueless, cultish and just plain unlikeable.

      • Underwhelmed says:

        His brain snap happened during WW’s run. His drug use led to him being booted, but whether that’s why he lost the plot overall I don’t know. Very sad. When he was good, he was fabulous.

    • 1539days says:

      Ironically, Michael Douglas is also the “Greed is good” guy. More ironically, neither speech is contrary to the other.

  2. Lulu says:

    The Vile Progs think that we are as fragile mentally as they are. That to hear contrary ideas and speech is not good for us and that we are incapable of separating the wheat from the chaff. They remind me of the Christian fundamentalists that I knew in childhood. Everyone is an idiot and unclean except for them but leaving out the Jesus loves you stuff. The only way is their way and to not follow it means you should be silenced. The next step is stoning or your head cut off. Maybe being harassed and impoverished into silence by the IRS comes before stoning. I’m not exactly clear on the steps used for enforcement.

    • Lulu says:

      In my lifetime, I’m almost sixty, I have seen the Christian fundamentalists, Muslim fundamentalists, so called civil rights proponents, and now the Vile Progs all use the same methods of silencing dissent. I do know that all have a very large streak of authoritarianism that surfaces at some point in their evolution when they are challenged. I think it may be a natural progression of crazy and it reaches a point when it is no longer acceptable.

    • angienc (D) says:

      Their Jesus is Obama — all the religious imagery in depictions of him isn’t an accident. Heck one prog mouth piece at Time magazine flat out said Obama “is like God” with “moral authority” over us.

    • Underwhelmed says:

      You mean like Erick Ericksson? I used to read his stuff on Redstate and often I’d appreciate his pov. Then I saw him in a video clip and my skin started crawling. Now he’s gone full blown born again fundamentalist and it’s run away, run away! What is it with these guys looking for an existential reason to subjugate women?????? It doesn’t matter what brand of religion they’re buying, at the end of the day it’s about silencing women. All I can think is that they must have really really small po-pos.

  3. “Lulu, on June 1, 2013 at 3:47 am said:

    The Vile Progs think that we are as fragile mentally as they are. That to hear contrary ideas and speech is not good for us and that we are incapable of separating the wheat from the chaff. ”

    I’m not quite sure this is the case. AS with many other fanatics, I believe they are simply AFRAID that if people hear and begin to understand another side of an argument or a philosophy, they will actually THINK.

    THINKING FOR YOURSELF is the biggest threat to any tyrannical regime. Look at how they ban internet usage in many ME countries. Look at how “States” take over ALL the press or create laws to ban certain speech and thinking. It helps to maintain the status quo of those in power.

    Ridicule is the step before stoning. Or “charges” or prison.

    And this administration/government is doing it’s level best to have these ways become our ways.

    • Lulu says:

      I think what you are saying applies to the leadership who do not want people to hear or understand the other side of an argument. They rely on cognitive dissonance which is uncomfortable, even painful in many instances when people realize they have been lied to and snookered. I have found that many of the true believers among the Vile Progs are fragile mentally. They believe what they believe and Shut Up Shut Up Shut Up. I do not mean they are crazy although a significant small percentage are. They rely on their dogma, cultural norms, common personality traits, and bullying. Ridicule is a big part of keeping the acolytes on the straight and narrow path to whatever their form of “righteousness” (green, pro-choice, anti-war, age-ism, misogyny, regionalism, etc) may be. But at the center of it is a sense of self identity which has been fostered for belonging to the “in” group and enforced with absolute ruthlessness. We are seeing what they are willing to do to enforce it. I think that is why the IRS scandal is so dangerous to them. They are supposed to be better than everyone else but in fact they are worse. Cognitive dissonance is ‘splodey heads.

  4. yttik says:

    I love that quote from The American president and I believe it 100%.

    My high achieving kid is getting a D in Indoctrination. It’s supposed to be history, but all they’ve done all year is debate social issues, gun control, abortion, global warming. Teacher wants them to pick a side and argue their point. The problem is, there’s a right side and a wrong side, or rather, a left side and no room for shades of grey. The latest conflict was over free speech in school. Teacher claims that kids have free speech rights in school, because any restrictions are simply “for your own good,” so they don’t really count. LOL, took the kid about 30 seconds and detention to prove her wrong. Anyway, that pretty much sums up every authoritarian/fascist regime. Every restriction they place on freedom is not really a restriction because it’s all for the common good, the benefit of society, for your own good. Using that tool, they can morally, ethically, logically, entice the community into supporting less and less freedom. Thankfully we’re not quite there yet in America, but people better speak up because that’s the path we’re heading down.

  5. every now and then there is a sweeping of the decks, a complete overhaul to what people see and believe. It happens when the pendulum swings too far one way or the other. That pendulum is starting to swing. I’ve been on this earth for 60 years, and I can just feel it starting to happen……

  6. DeniseVB says:

    At least the Koch brothers spend their own money. Here’s how we get to pay for Obama’s travels to fundraisers …..

  7. conner43 says:

    In the same vein, it has been interesting to visit PuffHO and read the comments about why MSNBC is a failure..Basically, the viewing public is, according to the disciples, not smart enough to appreciate their brilliant assortment of pundits.
    The disciples, oth, never met a word they couldn’t misspell, or a grammatical rule worth following..
    We should all strive to be that ‘smart.’

    • DeniseVB says:

      I know a lot of moderate Dems who stopped watching because they felt like they were being lectured to and told “how to feel” about an issue. Not a good news source either.

      Unless there’s a major shakeup in programming, MSNBC will go by way of Air America and Current. They need to get rid of the screamers and haters …. looking a you Tingles and Neblett. 😀

      • Constance says:

        MSNBC won’t go off the air because they don’t exist in a free market. Even when no one watches it we all will be subsidizing it with our Basic Cable payment and none of us can cancel that unless we want to cancel the entire cable connection. MSNBC has been preselected for you by the old men who own Media.

  8. Lulu “They believe what they believe and Shut Up Shut Up Shut Up”

    describes my VileProg neighbor to a tee. She is NEVER wrong and a HUGE supporter of Obama no matter how criminal his administration appears. When ever I CHOOSE to speak with her and I say anything REMOTELY contrary to her belief system, she walks away and gets back to “what she was doing” or interrupts and changes the subject.

    I rarely speak with her anymore. She is always right, never wrong about anything, an intellectual snob and a rude bully when challenged even in the slightest.

    This even extend to “neighborhood gossip” (of which I partake very little). But If she brings up a subject about so-and-so and I say “well, she told me such-and-such” this woman will interrupt and cite so higher authority (usually herself) about knowing more than I do. Not only that, she HAS to make me wrong. No mistaken, not lacking additional information, but WRONG. Whether I am wrong or not. Then she waltzes away feeling superior.

    She has gotten under my skin at times, but mainly I feel sorry for her. She is mid-60’s and SUCH a devout VileProg she is almost angry all the time.

    And she does insert herself into “the IN group.”

    She is a VileProg and is exactly your description.

    • Somebody says:

      Freedomfairy until you got to the mid 60’s part I thought for sure my former neighbor had moved into your neighborhood, LOL!! My former neighbor did actually move to your area, but she’s in her mid 50’s.

  9. Sorry for the many typos. Working around a cat.

  10. driguana says:

    the chimes of freedom seem to be flashing before they are about to go silent….

  11. DeniseVB says:

  12. HELENK says:

    US to blame for jailing hero bin laden doctor says Pakistan report.

    we have f–king idiots with diarrhea of the mouth in DC now.

    how many have died or been hurt because some damn fool wanted 15 minutes of fame?

  13. HELENK says:

    makes you think. what is a right and when is it wrong

  14. myiq2xu says:
  15. HELENK says:

    I am not sure to whether to call the pervasive targeting going on in most depts of our government now a fungus or a virus. But it is not what America stand for and never will be.
    I do not care whether the targeting it against the left or the right it is wrong

  16. insanelysane says:

    Obama’s admin. started off as divisive.
    He immediately called out his enemies and pointed to them and delivered his slippery rant. His campaigns are studies in character assassinations and his minions repeat what they saw in him.

    I always felt that the President was President to all of us.
    The common good and the country was primary. This disgraceful president maligns large swaths of American people and paints an evil side as the other.

    “Them” ” That group”

    I see that reach down to the progs and now to many offices of the Administration.
    It flows down from the top.

    • HELENK says:

      he did a really good job of dividing the democratic party. How many are former dems now? divided it by color, by age,by class. hobnobs with the rich while telling the poor how rich are their enemy

    • driguana says:

      That’s interesting…I have not felt that this president has represented me and my beliefs and concerns since day one. He is not the president of all of us, only of his chosen few.

      • HELENK says:

        and the chosen few until he does not need them any longer

      • insanelysane says:

        driguana, Yes, I was trying to say that Presidents of the past like Johnson, Carter, Clinton , Reagen have spoken to we Americans as one. I don’t remember the decisiveness pitting one American against another coming from them.
        But this current president ( small p for a small petty man) is unlike Presidents of past.

  17. Somebody says:

    I hope the Koch brothers make sure the Khalidi tape in the vault of the LA Times is part of the purchase deal.

    • driguana says:

      Yes!!! Maybe that’s the real reason the vile progs are so scared!

    • first thought I had. but don’t hold your breath.

    • swanspirit says:

      I would just love to see that happen !!! ,And I just thought , what else is in those vaults we have never even heard about ? What else has been buried to prove the Vile Progs “correct ”
      That is another aspect of this campaign to silence or delegitimize any opposition . Whatever information that surfaces that doesn’t meet the approval of the Vile Progs is either buried , or deliberately ignored,

      • wmcb says:

        Me, too. I have no doubt that the Koch brothers are biased. And? Most people are, who have political opinions of any sort. Are they any more biased than the owners of all other news outlets? I can’t imagine how they could be.

        This whole “pretense of neutrality” thing by the Left while proclaiming that anyone to the right of Mao is irredeemably colored in their views pisses me off. It’s bullshit. The vast majority of news outlets on the right make no bones about the fact that they possess a political view. Their approach is usually “Yes, I have a generally conservative view, but I’ll make every effort to be fair.”

        The Left tries this claim to Political Virgin status, “Why no, our minds are pure as the driven snow from any political opinions at all!!” that is getting old. They deliberately try to insist on rules that their slant is unbiased, any other slant is dirty propoganda.

        Far beyond politics or policy or whatever, I am just sick to death of being lied to. And yes, both sides will lie, but of late the Left seems to subsist and thrive on lies, constantly. They cannot just make a political argument, they have to make all other arguments illegitimate and invalid and above all, unheard. It’s how they roll. And I’m sick of it.

        Watching them anymore, I feel like I am watching an obvious old worn out whore with a white veil over her stripper heels and hotpants, batting her eyes, and telling the world she’s a virgin. I mean, how do people buy that line?

        • myiq2xu says:

          The truth has no ideology. If your political beliefs do not encompass all the facts then they are inherently flawed.

          Vile Progs espouse some nice principles. But their exceptions tend to swallow the rule.

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