Sauce For The Goose


Matthew Feeney at

Why Are American Conservatives Defending Violent, Xenophobic British Thugs?

Fox News presenter Brian Kilmeade recently interviewed Tommy Robinson (real name Stephen Lennon) of the English Defence League (EDL), saying that Robinson is doing “great work,” adding, “Tommy, we got your back and we’ll definitely look to keep in touch, it’s great what you’re doing.”

Robinson and the EDL have been getting increased coverage recently after their demonstrations following the murder of a British soldier last month.

The EDL is a group that describes itself as “…an inclusive movement dedicated to peacefully protesting against Islamic extremism.”

While peacefully combating Islamic extremism is a laudable goal, the EDL and its leadership have a history of violence as well as the predictable ignorant xenophobia that you might expect from an organization started by soccer hooligans. The EDL has very little public support and its contributions to debate over Islamic extremism in the U.K. can be boiled down to inciting paranoid nativists to protest.

Apparently England doesn’t have racist rednecks, they have paranoid nativists instead. How come it’s okay for Muslims in Eqypt to riot because some nobody posts a video about Muhammad on YouTube in the United States, but it’s ignorant xenophobia to get upset about a gruesome murder in broad daylight in your own country?

There are a growing number of people in the U.S. and Europe who see Islam as an existential threat to modern culture. To dismiss them as paranoid nativists and ignorant xenophobes may make it easier to ignore their concerns, but they have plenty of evidence to support their fears.

The politically correct position is that “violent Islam” is just a small fraction of Muslims who are righteously upset about Western economic exploitation. That position has some merit. But when a deranged lunatic is breaking into your house you really don’t care about the failure of our mental health programs.

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72 Responses to Sauce For The Goose

  1. myiq2xu says:

    Some, indeed, dream of an Islam in the future, rationalised and regenerate. All this has been tried already, and has miserably failed. The Koran has so encrusted the religion in a hard unyielding casement of ordinances and social laws, that if the shell be broken the life is gone. A rationalistic Islam would be Islam no longer. The contrast between our own faith and Islam is most remarkable. There are in our Scriptures living germs of truth, which accord with civil and religious liberty, and will expand with advancing civilisation. In Islam it is just the reverse. The Koran has no such teaching as with us has abolished polygamy, slavery, and arbitrary divorce, and has elevated woman to her proper place. As a Reformer, Mahomet did advance his people to a certain point, but as a Prophet he left them fixed immovably at that point for all time to come. The tree is of artificial planting. Instead of containing within itself the germ of growth and adaptation to the various requirements of time and clime and circumstance, expanding with the genial sunshine and rain from heaven, it remains the same forced and stunted thing as when first planted some twelve centuries ago.

    – Sir William Muir, 1881

  2. myiq2xu says:
  3. 49erDweet says:

    Brits are still trying to figure out how their Brave New World went all a-skittle. Isn’t everyone (except Yanks) reasonable and peace loving? That’s the plan. Why won’t some of “them” follow the plan? It must be those violent Americans. Again.

  4. HELENK says:

    the political correctness doctrine is one of the biggest enemies of our country. It has strengthened our enemies and weakened us.
    Look what is happening in our schools and has been for awhile. Christians, Jews and all other religions except islam are under attack. we have a government that is afraid to use the word terrorism when it is done by muslims.

    look at the insult to deceased members of SEAL team 6 when our government had a muslim cleric curse them in their coffins.

    someone somewhere is going to start standing up to the BS and the press and the government will vilify them for doing so

  5. HELENK says:

    underwelmed has a link down stairs on backtrack bunch excluding muslims from the same intrusions that the rest of us are enduring

    • Mary says:

      It’s a true story. Muslims are exempt from NSA sweeps thanks to a compaint filed by CAIR, claiming profiling and discrimination.

      • Mary says:

        Mostly mosques are exempt, I’m reading.

        But it’s a large part of why they missed the Tsarnaev brothers.

  6. DeniseVB says:

    Nah, the only British thing I follow are the Royals and the Daily Mail’s US celebrity gossip pages. They’ll be fine 😀

  7. votermom says:

  8. votermom says:

    Interesting – Zimmerman jury wrap up on Legal Insurrection

  9. 1539days says:

    Talking about reasonable Muslims is like saying that Occupy is just a bunch of people who just decided to protest. Both are heavily funded by political interests. Most Muslim countries have figured out that religion helps to keep the dictators in power. They have to do it by labeling everyone who lives better and has more money than the average Muslim as some kind of infidel.

    I don’t need to argue the relative merits of the Koran because Islam is the tool of dictators. Unfortunately, it means the whole Muslim world is the problem at a geopolitical level.

  10. wmcb says:

    Oh good grief. Get a life, people. And leave us, our kids, and our Wind in the Willows the fuck alone. I swear, the crusading “oppression-under-every-bush” crowd are as bad as the damn puritan Christianists.

    • wmcb says:

      And BTW, I used to laugh at those who claimed the goal of the hard left was the destruction of normalcy and civilized society. That ALL existing social structure must be torn down in order for The State to replace it. “Don’t be silly!” I said. “We just want those who fall outside the norm to be accepted as well,” I said. “NO ONE wants to destroy American culture or families.” I said.

      Read that bullshit I just posted and tell me that the paranoids I poo-pooed were not at least partly right.

      • DeniseVB says:

        I used to be hard left and hating …. then I grew up. Hell, I married a “republican” in ’69, his unconditional love lasted 44 years this month, sure helped me wake up in 2008. Might not agree with all the hard right issues, but they’ve been nicer to me than the Dems ever were. I chose nice, and I’ll sort it all out later 😀 TCH Rising!

        • wmcb says:

          Oh, I don’t mean to imply that all Democrats think like the idiot in that article. They don’t. But people with that sort of agenda do exist, and are gaining alarming influence on the Left, very rapidly.

          The GOP has their stupid Statist Christianists (as opposed to actual Christians), but their influence is waning, not growing.

        • myiq2xu says:

          The GOP also has their neocons, who reemerged this past week.

        • Mary says:

          OT for wmcb:

          Legal Insurrection reporting that the Obama administration has included “evangelical Christians” on its list of religious extremists, right along with the KKK and Al Queda.

          Pretty offensive, no?

      • HELENK says:

        both sides have their share of fruitcakes. The left side seems to be getting a lot worse. I keep wondering was the left always like that but kept it under control until 2008? 2008 was like an explosion of hatred for women, for country, for anyone else’s political beliefs. It just got overwhelmingly ugly. I do not remember that ever happening before in my lifetime

      • myiq2xu says:

        I am a small government liberal.

        • Mary says:

          Blue Dogs have pretty much been eliminated in the Obama Dem Party. Too bad, I think.

        • wmcb says:

          That describes me fairly well. I want a little something in the way of social programs, so cannot be a true libertarian. I think govt can do some good things without trampling on liberty. But only if it is rigorously constrained and watched like a hawk. We’ve forgotten how to do that in this country.

  11. HELENK says:

    lets spend $58 million on conferences

    and we really need 558 prison recreation specialist

  12. HELENK says:

    while the IRS is targeting certain group, they give $4BILLION in tax credits to illegal immigrants and their kids that may not even live in the US

    • votermom says:

      He’s desperate to distract from the scandals so he’s getting us into another war.

      • lyn says:

        A-hole! It’s OK for Obama et al. to cross the red line at home, and all the sheeple feel safe.

      • leslie says:

        So I just came from a conference on obamacare in which the speaker who was promoting the “affordable care act”, wondered aloud if the move r/t Syria wasn’t a “wag the dog” distraction away from all the scandals. Then he named them and included Benghazi the IRS and the NSA. Could’ve knocked me over with a feather.
        This in Chicago .

  13. wmcb says:

    The problem is that the Left keeps insisiting, all evidence to the contrary, that militant Islam is merely a religion, just like any religion. That they just want to “practice their religion in peace”, but otherwise fit right in to our society.

    If that were true, I’d call the yahoos xenophobes as well. Trouble is, it’s not true. Strict Islam a complete legal, political, and cultural philosophy all rolled into one. It is no less at odds with free society than communism or fascism. They do not recognize any distinction between the civil and the clerical. At all. They openly proclaim a goal of inserting Islam into our legal and political systems, in order for Islam to triumph over purely secular Western society. They are worse than the worst Dominionist you could imagine, on steroids, with whole governments funding them.

    This is true not only of the violent bomb-throwers. It is true of many of their most respected “peaceful” scholars as well. They don’t hide it. At all. They merely scream “It’s my reliiiigiooon!” when called on it. The Muslims who view their religion as something separate from civil society and law are in truth a minority. And very initmidated by the rest.

    The West had better wake the fuck up. This is not “just another religion. It may be that to a few individuals, but not to the whole mass of Islam. It’s a POLITICAL movement bent on conquest, no less than fascism or communism or any other -ism. It doesn’t really matter if that conquest is peaceful or violent, or a mix of both.

    I have no problem at all with Islam the religion. I have a huge fucking problem with Islam the political movement. And until THEY can learn to separate the two, that problem will remain.

  14. wmcb says:

    Here we go, getting embroiled in Syria now.

    • HELENK says:

      meeshelle is going to be so mad, she may have to spend some extra time at the cape

    • Mary says:

      Yes, but that whole Obama Africa trip will cost taxpayers $100 million, even without the safari junket.

      Some sequester, huh?

  15. HELENK says:

    McCain and Graham speech on Syrian chemical weapons

    • Mary says:

      Didn’t those Syrian “rebels” just pledge loyalty to Al Queda!

    • votermom says:

      Helen you’re gonna love this (and by love I mean want to rip his head off) – rumor is Barry ‘s gonna give Syrian refugees asylum in the USA

      • HELENK says:

        I guess between killings they will vote democratic. well no one will read their e-mails on monitor their telephone calls

  16. votermom says:

  17. HELENK says:


    this is the last line of the article and my Irish temper is about to explode.

    Obama’s senior advisers met Wednesday on Syria while the president was out fundraising, but it does not appear they reached any conclusions about what to do.


  18. HELENK says:

    way off topic

    I do not know whether to laugh or cry. In my local paper today there was an article about the cuts that are to be made for seniors by the state of California. no meals on wheels, and a few other services

  19. melisshka says:

    A pretty famous atheist on this topic. He says it better than just about anybody I’ve seen.

    • votermom says:

      He nailed it.

    • wmcb says:

      That is dead on. Thanks. Fabulous article.

    • swanspirit says:

      Great read . The crucial paragraph for me was this

      But their spiritual aspirations and deepest positive emotions—love, devotion, compassion, bliss, awe—are being focused through the lens of sectarian hatred and humiliation. Read every word of the translation so that you understand what these devout people are weeping over. Their ecstasy is inseparable from the desire to see nonbelievers punished in hellfire. Is this some weird distortion of the true teachings of Islam? No. This is a recitation from the Koran articulating its central message. The video has over 2 million views on YouTube. It was posted by someone who promised his fellow Muslims that they, too, would weep tears of devotion upon seeing it. The reciter is Sheikh Mishary bin Rashid Alafasy of Kuwait. He has as many Twitter followers as Jerry Seinfeld and J.K. Rowling (2 million). In doctrinal terms, this is not the fringe of Islam. It is the center.

      I believe this is why most muslims remain silent when terrorism strikes .
      I am familiar with the ecstasy of ritual , and with the promise of salvation for true believers in christian faiths , and also the fear of eternal damnation for non believers. These are very deep and powerful motivations ,

      • wmcb says:

        Perhaps this is part of the reason why so many Christians seem to have a better understanding of the threat of Islam than non-religious people do. It’s nothing so pedestrian as mere religious rivalry. It’s that they understand the powerful hold of faith. Rationalists underestimate it. Believers don’t.

        Most believers are also well-versed in the bloody history of their own religion. And the centuries long struggle to make of the Church a spiritual rather than a worldly entity. They largely succeeded. And they recognize the symptoms of a religion that has not made that transition. And how dangerous it can be.

  20. votermom says:

  21. HELENK says:

    does anyone think that backtrack gives a damn about the job of the president? I do not. he could care less what the American people want or what they think.

  22. HELENK says:

    get them young and train them to be anti-American. this bunch is not good for the children of America

  23. myiq2xu says:

    Walter Russell Mead:

    California Governor Jerry Brown’s decision not to spend the state’s surplus on new programs is looking smarter by the day, as the state’s pensions crisis is even uglier than official numbers have indicated. Both Moody’s and the Government Accounting Standards Board have spent the past few months making changes to the way local governments report their pension liabilities. Under the new standards, California’s municipal pension liabilities rise from $128.3 billion to $328.6 billion, while the funded level of its pensions programs drops precipitously, from 82 percent to 64 percent.

  24. myiq2xu says:
    • erica says:

      New slogan: We are are the 15%.

    • gxm17 says:

      Most folks read right over typos, even in headlines. Your mind corrects the error without you even realizing it.

    • gxm17 says:

      Also, the pedant in me can’t help but point out that there are really about 29 grammatical errors in that sentence, in addition to the redundancy. 😛

  25. wmcb says:

    From a commenter on AoS:

    “I think Obama’s most spectacular success to date is making Ron Paul look reasonable.

    What a legacy. “

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