Arab Spring Becomes Cairo Summer

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I told ya so!

Is Egypt headed for a military coup?

In 2011, Egyptians poured into the streets of Cairo and other cities demanding that the military give up power and make way for a democratic revolution. This week, they came out again — to demand that the first elected president in the nation’s long history step down. Oh, and this time they have the military on their side.

On Monday, the armed forces gave President Mohammed Morsi 48 hours to reach some agreement with the opposition or face a uniformed takeover to set the country on a different path. Crowds in Cairo’s Tahrir Square cheered Sunday when military helicopters passed overhead in a show of support for the demonstrators.

The mass protests are a heartening sign that the people of Egypt are not willing to accept the president’s centralization of power in his hands or his party’s vision of a more Islamist regime. Equally welcome is that with the notable exception of an attack on the Brotherhood’s Cairo offices, the rallies were peaceful and festive. It was a show of popular sentiment that the government cannot afford to ignore.

But the army’s response, however appealing to Egyptians disgusted with Morsi, is no solution. It threatens not only to undo the country’s progress toward democracy but invite civil war.


Inside a pressure cooker is both heat and pressure. That’s why the lid is locked down tight. You have to turn down the heat and let the pressure be relieved before you open it, otherwise it will explode in your face.

This mess is a direct result of the most naive and hubristic foreign policy since . . . ever.

Prediction: It’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.


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47 Responses to Arab Spring Becomes Cairo Summer

  1. myiq2xu says:

    I have come to the conclusion that democracy and Islam don’t mix.

    • Lulu says:

      I can’t find a reference I read to the food supply problems getting bad under Morsi and that is considered incompetence in Egypt. Mubarak more or less kept food available and the people and army think they will do a better job of that. Why does this administration always support like minded incompetents. You have to feed people or they get cranky very quickly.

    • wmcb says:

      I concluded that long ago. There are a minority of Muslims who view their faith as just their personal religious practice. And they are not a problem. But the majority see Islam as a comprehensive system – including laws and govt. There is no “my kingdom is not of this world” in Islam.

      Islam, by and large, is a religion centered around the command to conquer the world and enforce Sharia on all. That’s the problem. No other religion has physical conquest in the physical world as the central tenet of their faith. The best that “moderate” Islam does is try to eschew the actual sword part, and attempt the conquest via laws and votes and courts and influence. But make no mistake that they still firmly believe that the conquest needs to happen.

      It’s an entirely different mindset. And slightly OT, but it’s another reason why I laugh at those who claim that Judeo-Christianity had nothing to do with the freedoms of the Western world. Bullshit. Because the history of the church, depite its failings and excesses, is a history of the concept of *choice*. You are responsible for your own soul, your own sins – not your brothers. God gave us free will. Free will is what allows us to *choose*, because only obedience chosen is pleasing to God – forced morality is no morality at all. The entire edifice of Western law and civilization is woven through with Judeo-Christian concepts of individual free will and choice.

      People who grew up in a society bearing the lingering fruits of that mindset (even if they personally jeer at it), do not understand the extent to which a civilization/culture without that underpinning thinks entirely differently about free will and obedience and law and humanity itself. They take for granted ideas that are largely Judeo-Christian in nature, thinking them somehow indigenous and natural to all human beings. They aren’t.

      I’m not saying that the USA is a “Christian nation”, or ought to be. That’s silly. I’m saying that people who don’t want to admit the extent to which Christian notions are woven inseparably into all of Western law and democracy and civilization have a HUGE BLIND SPOT when it comes to evaluating the intents and motivations of those cultures not steeped in it like we are. Those cultures steeped in an entirely different view of the world. When those other, non-Christain, non-Western cultures say “democracy and justice and fairness” they do not mean the same things we mean when we use the words.

      • wmcb says:

        I get into trouble sometimes talking about stuff like this, because people think I’m talking about enforcing Christianity, or having laws based on specific Bible verses or some nutso shit like that. I’m not. I’m talking about the cultural and philosophical underpinnings of Western civilization, not specific precepts. I’ve actually run into atheists who absolutely understand perfectly what I am talking about, and agree – not with the Christian faith obviously, but with the value of the concepts that a Judeo-Christian view of man and mankind brought to the West and our laws and govt.

        • HELENK says:

          wmcb
          I do understand what you mean. there are a lot of people who do not believe in organized religion but do believe in God and his teachings. free will is a blessing and a curse. If you believe in it you can not blame others for your bad choices and have to be responsible for yourself. that is hard

      • Yeah and verily, sistah.

      • underwhelmed says:

        Every word you say is true. But there are so many many people who cannot or will not see it. They are … impossible.

      • trixtat says:

        Preach it, wmcb!!

    • The claim it is a religion of peace or the probability most muslims are peaceful is irrelevant. Too many of it’s adherents are dangerous crackpots for it to be ignored. S
      And the Arab States that push for it’s acceptance as “normal” are simply being devious.

      • 1539days says:

        Nearly every country in the world with a significant Muslim population has a government also tied to Islam. To say that Islam is not the problem is ignoring the reality that the most powerful Muslims in the world are political leaders. Almost every popular “revolution” has led to a more theocratic regime.

        Democracy has to have rules. The Constitution was written in a way that direct and indirect democracy could keep power in check. That has been eroded over decades by states giving their power to the federal government in exchange for abdicating accountability. If the Egyptian military doesn’t to run the country, they need to write a damn good constitution.

    • underwhelmed says:

      Surely you jest!

  2. HELENK says:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/01/egypt-army-mohamed-morsi-coup

    morsi stands firm under military threat.

    feels he has the US backing him.

    backtrack will get us mixed up in this mess and on the wrong side

  3. Arab Spring becomes Cairo Summer morphs into Morsi Fall.

  4. HELENK says:

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100858336

    Egypt’s foreign minister resigns

  5. I have an Egyptian lady in my sales organization and she just left my house and said that she watches only Arabic television. Apparently there were 30 million protesters yesterday against the regime. She said Morsi had succeeded in uniting the Egyptian people—-against him. She says everyone HATES the Muslim brotherhood.

    • Internal Exile says:

      Dare we hope the sensible majority of the world’s Muslims are going to start telling their fundies to go jump off the nearest minaret? :mrgreen:

    • wmcb says:

      I sincerely hope the secularists succeed.

      • underwhelmed says:

        In Egypt and in Turkey. Then I might start thinking we’ve got any hope for peace.

  6. Yeah and verily, sistah.

  7. myiq2xu says:

    This why I love Justified:

    “I mean, he shoots Theo Tonin, fakes his own death in a spectacular fashion, pushes a guy out of an airplane while he’s flying it, parachutes into Harlan County with enough coke and cash to jump-start the economy of a small country, and then he has the balls to get a job in law enforcement, not once but two times! He spends a couple of days riding around with you while you’re looking for him, and now he’s run off with a hooker that’s half his age. That’s some bad-ass shit.”

  8. 1539days says:

    Ambassador Thomas Jefferson recounting a conversation with Tripoli ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman over 200 years ago.

    It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.

  9. HELENK says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/07/01/egyptian-christians-battle-muslim-radicals-in-islamist-stronghold-3-killed/

    there will never be peace between islam and other religions. the muslims will not allow it

  10. HELENK says:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/01/politics/snowden-asylum/index.html

    snowden requests asylum from 19 different countries

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