Wednesday-Friday Open Thread


According to the calendar it’s Wednesday. For some people it’s the Friday before a 4-day weekend. For the rest of us it’s just another shitty day in paradise.

Will today be the day that Egypt bursts into flames?

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43 Responses to Wednesday-Friday Open Thread

  1. driguana says:

    Cynicism and violence seem to be everywhere. Are we about to implode? What do people really want? I’m going to work in the garden today and stay grounded.Where’s Waldo? Where’s Snowden?

      • driguana says:

        Not a peep….it really is amazing. Had dinner last night with two very left friends and they just went on and on about how great Obama is…what a wonderful, fulfilling African trip; how supportive they are of Obama’s health care program; stunning approval of gay rights; and what an incredible victory to bring both parties together on immigration! I pretty much ate in silence…..and despair. The problem is that you really can’t say anything as the progs always have “an answer”. When I suggested that the immigration bill was “pork laden”, they just smiled and said…”oh well, that’s politics”.

        And I keep asking myself, why will the media not report the truth????

        • DandyTiger says:

          There’s not much you can do if someone is that blind. Most Obama supporters I know are “disappointed” about the drones, NSA, etc. So at least some are not as completely drunk on kool-aid as they were.

          As for the media, why would they cover things and tell the truth. What’s in their owning corporate interest? Why would they want people to rise up against the two majority parties?

        • Constance says:

          Many Democrats had no other expectation for Obama but that he would be a Black President. He clearly didn’t have the usual qualifying experience and they were good with that while simultaneously being outraged that Hillary with her long resume, wasn’t experienced enough. So as long as Obama is black he fulfills their expectations. There is nothing for them to be upset over especially since they live in idealistic world.

          The other problem is they are simple and they can’t see shades of gray. A person is either “good” or “bad”. Black skin puts Obama in the “good” column and so bad policy or decisions can’t belong to him. Republicans and actually anyone who isn’t an Obama supporter is “bad” and all policy or decisions coming from these people are “bad”.

  2. DeniseVB says:

    The Greta-Megyn speculations continue and couldn’t they find a better photo of Greta?

    • driguana says:

      “And with respect to Rachel Maddow,”…..I have no respect for her!!! I’ve usually respected Greta but something seems lacking in her broadcasts lately…not sure what it is….it’s almost like she’s not “interested” anymore. Kelly, on the other hand, is someone who could really juice the media at this sad media time.

      • leslie says:

        I’ve noticed the same about Greta. I used to tune in to her program every night, but lately everything seems so formulaic on her 9:00 program. I have found myself forgetting to turn her on. Worse, I have found myself turning away from her program.

        (And “shoot me now”, but I liked Rachel back in the day – but then I also watched Olbermann then as well.) Now, the mere sound of her voice and I run the other way.

        • driguana says:

          he mutters quietly under his breath….”yes, I also used to watch Olbermann and Maddow….but only for a short period of time”…

      • wmcb says:

        I noticed that about Greta too. I always loved her interviews, as she was very old school “just the facts” and asked intelligent questions of guests. But I haven’t watched her in ages because it all became rote and kind of phoning it in. Not sure what the deal is with her lately.

    • Constance says:

      The FOX west coast line up is O’riley at 5, Hannity at 6 and Greta at 7 so Megyn could easily go in at 8 and they would have a nice evening schedule. Or put Megyn on at 5 and move everyone else up one hour which would put them more in prime time.

      • leslie says:

        I hope moving her to 5:00 would mean I’d never get to see her.As it is, IF I tune into Oreilly, I see the last 5 minutes or so. I don’t watch Hannity, he makes my toenails hurt.

  3. DeniseVB says:

    Well, how lucky for the Dems in 2014, Obama’s going to take some pressure off them by delaying employer mandated Obamacare another year !

    • wmcb says:

      I kept getting blocked by the bill opponents on Twitter yesterday. You know why? Because I informed them I was a prochoice woman who finds their attitudes sickening.

      They were not blocking the avid prolifers, no matter how aggressive. But they cannot have anyone seeing that one can be prochoice and still not support late term infanticide and unsafe clinics.

      The progs get nasty with opposition, but what REALLY wigs them out is people who disagree with them who don’t fit the stereotype of people who disagree with them. That has to be silenced pronto, so they can go on deluding the world that the only people who have any problem with elective abortions of a 6 month baby are all frothing evangelical wingnuts quoting Bible verses.

      I’m not supposed to exist.

      • lyn says:

        I’m prochoice, but I think abortion clinics should be regulated to make abortions safe for women. I also am leaning toward no-fault abortions up to 12 weeks, and then abortion is restricted to health of mother, incest and rape for a little longer. A late-term abortion only should be performed when a mother’s health is at risk. If a woman wants to have control over her body, then she should make sure she doesn’t get pregnant. After all, birth control is free now. Unwanted pregnancies should become a thing of the past.

        • elliesmom says:

          I think those of us who think and feel this way are actually the “majority opinion”. Some of us come at it from the right and some from the left. I think we could make this happen together but I find women who are more left-leaning than I am often refuse to take my word that I want what I say I want They are convinced that if they cede this inch, I’ll demand that abortion be banned. I tried to have this conservation with someone at another blog the other day, but after making a statement about right-wingers not being trustworthy, she disengaged. This is how I have felt about abortion from the day I was old enough to care. The only thing is that I might be more vocal about now it because I think the right to have an abortion has been abused. As does she. But we’re on “opposite sides”. Hello?

        • Mary says:

          Perry’s proposed legislation DOES include an exception for the life of the mother, incest , and rape.

          But you won’t hear that on the Rachel Maddow et al shows.

          I’m not at all sure that most women who are pro-choice accept abortion by choice after 6 months, that don’t include those exceptions above. Abortion anytime is not really what we had in mind.

        • wmcb says:

          My thinking on this has evolved since the 70’s as well. It made more sense to allow later abortions at a time when one had to visit a doctor and wait weeks to even find out you were pregnant.

          Now? In 2013 birth control is cheap and plentiful, and instant pregnancy tests are available over the counter for a few bucks. I can know in 5 minutes if I’m pregnant, a few days after I have sex. There is simply no reason for any responsible woman to either have a huge risk of unplanned pregnancy, or to fail to terminate promptly (if she needs to) very early on. Life of mother or deadly fetal abnormalities are another matter, and ALL these restrictive bills address that easily.

          Sorry, but abortion is a necessary evil. Treat it as such. Terminate while it still truly is just a non-conscious clump of cells, or tough luck.

        • foxyladi14 says:

          I think I support this. 🙂
          Perry’s proposed legislation DOES include an exception for the life of the mother, incest , and rape.

      • DandyTiger says:

        We here are all very inconvenient. And sometimes to both sides. The two majority parties are threatened. Expect things to get stranger.

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  5. yttik says:

    An open thread? This morning I’m kind of frustrated by the way we always seem to want to charge somebody when a tragedy occurs.I guess even the Zimmerman case falls in that category, if you believe he was acting in self defense. But I was thinking of cases where a child drowns so they charge the parents with neglect. Haven’t they suffered enough? Is it really worth the time and money to prosecute them? There’s something about this kind of legal action that really bothers me.

    • wmcb says:

      It’s the prog mindset. It’s also why we are overrun with lawsuits in this country. Anytime something bad happens to a person, there must be someone actively at fault. This is also why we cling to failed things like affirmative action. Any bad outcome happens because some bad actor made it happen, and that bad actor must be found and punished.

      It’s a supremely petulant and childish view of the world.

      • yttik says:

        I think you’re right, it really is a prog mindset. I live in prog utopia and people can be so pretentious and self righteous it makes me want to scream.They seem driven to declare how morally superior they are and demand constant approval from others. The flip side of that is the constant shaming of those who don’t meet their standard.

        • leslie says:

          I live in prog utopia and people can be so pretentious and self righteous it makes me want to scream.They seem driven to declare how morally superior they are and demand constant approval from others.


          We must be neighbors.

  6. wmcb says:

    Good article on why the Army will (and maybe should) end up running Egypt:

    Now, it is very politically incorrect to say this, but I will say it anyway: A typical Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood rank-and-file type now saddled up on the gyrating entrails of the Egyptian state bureaucracy not only is afflicted with the IBM syndrome, but he does not accept or understand causality as we use the word. Takfiris assert that God recreates the universe in full each instant, so there is no need for causality, since that would imply a diminution of God’s power. He also does not accept the existence of an objective fact separate from how he feels about it, and if he should feel negatively disposed toward the fact, whatever it is, the fact can be made simply to disappear. (Want an example, from elsewhere? Easy: When the mother of the Tsarnaev brothers denied that her sons could be murderers or terrorists, she made a fact disappear, right before her eyes. Some anthropologists call this a votive act, and in some places it is really quite common. Egypt is one of those places.) And he usually cannot navigate even a simple syllogism.
    In short, we are talking about mostly culturally pre-modern people who flat-out flunk abstraction. They cannot run a centralized modern state. Obviously, this does not apply to all MB types, and certainly it does not apply to all Egyptians; but it applies to enough of them currently in the state administrative sector to matter. If you don’t believe me, ask an Egyptian who does have a decent Western education. You’ll get quite an enlightening earful.
    As it happens, the Army in Egypt is the only institution in the history of the country, at least since Tutankhamun’s time, that does not suffer utterly from the IBM syndrome. That’s probably because its members have long been exposed to modern technology in the form of weaponry and had to adapt themselves to its exigencies—something they have not done especially well, true, but the effort has nevertheless put them a light year or so ahead of the rest of country (save for the elite 2 percent who have Western educations… but, as Walter said, probably most of them live and work abroad). At least the senior Army types understand agency, time and the requisites of basic organizational order. And that is why, from the start of Egypt’s most recent political adventure, I have insisted that the Army will end up running the country. Because, the way it’s been made path dependent on a gigantic dirigiste bureaucracy since Nasser’s time, no one else can.

    – See more at:

    • yttik says:

      Well the last “dictator” did manage to keep the peace. His wife also instituted downright liberal policies regarding education and women’s health. Egypt used to be a popular tourist destination. It may not have been perfect, but it certainly wasn’t the most oppressive place in the ME.

      • Anthony says:

        The last dictator did keep the peace, mostly because we supported him in part to ensure a safe southern border for Israel. In exchange for our support, he did bring about a more moderate social climate, and managed to pretty much walk a slim line. I understand the geopolitics of that, and whatever my (admittedly ambivalent) feelings are about Israel are of absolutely no consequence.

        I am equally interested in preserving the cultural heritage of Egypt, along with protecting the antiquities that are so astonishing. Does anyone remember the Taliban blowing up the 5,000 year old Buddhas carved into the mountains of Afghanistan in the 1990’s? How soon before Luxor and maybe even the pyramids are dynamited?

        During the Arab Spring, the museums were looted, relics destroyed or stolen, Zahi Hawass pretty much kicked out of his post after doing so much to ensure the return and safety of archaeological treasures. Its only a matter of time before the Muslim Brotherhood destroys everything “not favored by Allah”….

        Dare I even mention the Coptic Christians who are being decimated in the name of (radical) Islam?

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