Trayvon Martin Does Not Deserve To Be Honored

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TOTUS can’t help himself:

“The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin.”


Trayvon Martin’s death was a minor tragedy until Barack Obama and his race-baiting friends turned it into something it was not. It never should have been more than a local story. That’s the real tragedy here.

Barack Obama bears partial responsibility for the tragedy that nearly became a travesty of justice. His Attorney General and Department of Justice are also partly to blame.

I generally don’t like to speak ill of the dead but there was nothing about Trayvon Martin worth honoring. He was on his way to a career as a petty thug and criminal. His violent assault on George Zimmerman is what led to his own violent death.

While I feel sorry for his family I have far greater concern for George Zimmerman and his family. Their lives are basically destroyed. But George Zimmerman did nothing illegal or wrong. He is the real victim of this tragedy.

If the president wants to do something about gun violence he should start in Chicago, not Sanford, Florida.


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115 Responses to Trayvon Martin Does Not Deserve To Be Honored

  1. lyn says:

    Honk! The way to prevent future tragedies is to teach our children respect.

  2. mcnorman says:

    No, he should not become a martyr. As for that “white AA” POTUS, he should clam it. He and the other race baiters need to zip it.

    • myiq2xu says:

      I have seen TM compared to Emmitt Till and Medgar Evers.

      • lyn says:

        Not even close.

      • Mary says:

        So have I, and it’s repulsive. I found BDLR’s closing statement including a Martin Luther King quote in commenting on Rachel Jeantel to be repulsive, too.

        Not once in that trial was it explained to the jury that the only reason Trayvon was in George’s neighborhood was because he had suspended from school for 10 days (3rd time) and his Mom had thrown him out of her house, sent him to Dad, because he was out of control.

        It’s so disheartening that Crump’s false narrative captured the country for so long, and even now, many people don’t know any differently.

        If this young man is what Obama wants to hold up as a role model to “honor his memory,” then the country’s in more trouble than we ever thought it was.

      • yttik says:

        I saw that too, and it was absolutely repulsive. WTH, people?

  3. lyn says:

    The real tragedy is that the politicians used the judicial system to try a man when there was no evidence that supported the charge. I hope someone will tell Obama and Holder to drop this right now, but I think they want to start a race war to keep all minorities on the Democratic plantation.

    • myiq2xu says:

      In one sense all the publicity saved George Zimmerman.

      Imagine if there was no publicity and the prosecutors would have filed the charges they did then offered GZ a plea bargain of 3-5 years on manslaughter.

      With no money to fight it would you roll the dice on life in prison or take the 3-5 and get on with your life?

      Prosecutors do shit like that all the time.

  4. lyn says:

    It’s being reported that the DOJ will investigate Zimmerman.

  5. “If the president wants to do something about gun violence he should start in Chicago not Sanford, Florida.”

    Word.

  6. myiq2xu says:

    Okay, that chicken made me sleepy. I’m gonna snooze and watch the SF Giants game.

    Y’all play nice.

  7. John Denney says:

    I know that blacks bus into areas to protest, but do they ever do stuff like this?

  8. driguana says:

    I want to post this one more time since some of you are just getting to it. It’s very interesting and there is a Part 1 to this that is also a good read. What’s most intriguing is how Martin was immediately called St. Skittles and, well, there may be a lot more to the whole Skittle thing. Also, it was repeatedly said that he bought Iced Tea but the actual facts from the store he stopped at said that he actually bought this Watermelon fruit drink which has a very specific use. The whole thing has been a railroad job and it is well worth it to dig a bit and then take personal stock.

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-martin-shooting-a-year-of-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/

    • DandyTiger says:

      Good find. It’s totally sad and tragic. But it’s worse how this is being used for political and “look squirrel” needs of the admin, and sadly also for the race hustler agenda of some.

    • leslie says:

      Yup, I read this earlier today (thanks to your link). I saved it to share with others when I think they need to revise their beliefs. This “child” is dead and after reading parts 1 and 2, I believe it would probably have happened sooner or later unless someone had taken greater interest in this young man. TM’s history and more was withheld by the prosecution – even though it was available. The real goal was to lynch the man originally thought to be this white Jewish “killer of black children”. What a surprise this turned out to be.

      But now there’s money to be made by proliferating the myths that the Crumps, Jacksons, and Sharptons and Martins of this world have shopped to the low information people. Let the rest of the games begin.

  9. driguana says:

    So will the DOJ take any action against these people for inciting racial violence?
    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/07/14/new-black-panthers-zimmerman-acquittal-means-war/

  10. DeniseVB says:

    How did this become left v. right ? The Obama, Jackson and Sharpton dog whistles ? Has the left become that stupid to blindly follow racist screed? It wasn’t like that when I was a left of Gandhi lib.

    • DandyTiger says:

      It’s not left vs. right. It’s vile progressive zombies vs. thinking people. Has been for some time. The vile progressives are the most hateful, violent, intolerant group I’ve even seen in my life.

    • Constance says:

      Progressives think they are a political movement but they behave like a fundamentalist religion. They need good and bad and they need passion plays and that is what the Travon Martin case is. Race is apparently the only thing they feel guilt over and they need to spread their elitist guilt on all whites even us white trash people who never owned or controlled anyone else. Progressives know they are the chosen and they need to feel contempt for all others that threaten their narrow world view.

  11. DandyTiger says:

    There are a couple of interesting aspect of this case that seem to strike some progressives. The first is the use of a gun. Guns are all evil. Period. Anyone who carries them, and of course anyone who uses them, is wrong by definition. The second is the whole concept of “self defense”. To some progressives, an individual should never defend themselves. That’s the job of big daddy government. We are all children without any responsibilities. We’re supposed to wait in our car and be good scared little victims, even in our own neighborhoods. And more generally, we’re supposed to be victims. Esp. brown people like George, and women and black people. These types of progressives hate one thing more than anything else in the world, it’s a member of what should be an oppressed group not being a victim.

  12. myiq2xu says:

    Sigh.

    American Civil Liberties Union Executive Director Anthony D. Romero today released the following statement on the not guilty verdict in the trial of George Zimmerman:

    Today, our thoughts are with Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, whose young son was taken from them far too soon.

    Last night’s verdict casts serious doubt on whether the legal system truly provides equal protection of the laws to everyone regardless of race or ethnicity.

    This case reminds us that it is imperative that the Department of Justice thoroughly examine whether the Martin shooting was a federal civil rights violation or hate crime. We call on Attorney General Eric Holder to release strengthened guidance on the use of race in federal law enforcement. We also urge Congress to pass the End Racial Profiling Act. These specific actions would go a long way to ameliorate the widespread problem of racial profiling. We need solutions not only in Trayvon Martin’s case, but also systemic reform.

    {{headdesk}}

    • DandyTiger says:

      War against latinos?

    • lyn says:

      These people need to be dope-slapped. George Zimmerman was the victim of our legal system that chose race over evidence.

    • Lulu says:

      I think some people have gone hysterical.

    • 1539days says:

      The ACLU? I think they’re a bunch of commies, but come on! They’re actually arguing to take away someone’s civil liberties?

      • DeniseVB says:

        I was wondering where they were while Zimmerman was having his civil liberties stomped on ? I’m getting tired of orgs who only help half the country and their titles start with American or National. 😉

    • John Denney says:

      Wasn’t TM profiling GZ when he called him a creepy ass cracker?

      And how DARE these people question the wisdom and judgement of the WOMEN who considered all the evidence and made the rational judgement that GZ was innocent! They are being SO disrespectful of women!

  13. foxyladi14 says:

    Yes Sir!!! 🙂

  14. myiq2xu says:

    USA Today:

    This is hardly to suggest that Zimmerman is a candidate for canonization. This is on him. It was his reckless behavior that set this tragedy in motion. If he had stayed in his vehicle as he was told to do by the police, Trayvon Martin would be alive today.

    Someone doesn’t understand what “reckless” means.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Reckless:

      Rashness; heedlessness; wanton conduct. The state of mind accompanying an act that either pays no regard to its probably or possibly injurious consequences, or which, though foreseeing such consequences, persists in spite of such knowledge.

      Recklessness transcends ordinary Negligence. To be reckless, conduct must demonstrate indifference to consequences under circumstances involving peril to the life or safety of others, although no harm is intended.

    • 1539days says:

      Wasn’t Zimmerman OUTSIDE of the vehicle when he called? Wasn’t he walking back to the Vehicle after the call ended?

      Why didn’t Martin stay on the sidewalk to his house?

    • DeniseVB says:

      At no time was he told to stay in his vehicle according to the transcript of the 911 call …..

      http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

    • DandyTiger says:

      They’re wrong. Zimmerman was never told by police to stay in his vehicle. And if Martin attacked him outside his vehicle, what makes them think he wouldn’t have opened the door and pulled Zimmerman out to attack him. Also, as you say, not reckless. It’s Zimmerman’s frick’ing own neighborhood.

      • DeniseVB says:

        See my comment/link on top of yours. I’ve never seen the whole transcript of the 911 call and it confirms what you said, and a lot of other interesting things come together when not read in out of context bits and pieces.

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  17. 1539days says:

    If the DOJ is ridiculous enough to indict Zimmerman, the Congress needs to zero out their budget and stop writing paychecks. I’m sick of paying taxes to destroy America.

    • gxm17 says:

      I’m trying to figure out how on earth anyone’s “civil rights” include beating another person’s head into the sidewalk. Do these people not realize how absolutely batshit crazy they are acting?

  18. I guess I’m the devil’s advocate today, but I do wonder, if Zimmerman had been black and without the family resources to hire private lawyers, would he have been allowed to walk out of the police station that night without being charged? Would the media have paid any attention? Would the jury have acquitted? If Zimmerman were black but otherwise the same guy — married, neighborhood watch volunteer, legal possession of his gun, minimal past run-ins with the law, aspiring cop — I like to think that it would have played out the same way, with an acquittal (because acquittal was absolutely the correct judgment by the jury). But I do wonder a little. By the same token, if Martin had been a punk-ish 17-yr old white kid with no criminal record and an apparently unstable-ish home life would Zimmerman have been allowed to walk the night of the killing and would he have been acquitted? Again, I think the system would have worked and he’d be found not guilty, but I do wonder.

    I fully agree that Zimmerman has been treated unconscionably by the system and by the media — he is most certainly the victim of a race-baiting culture, which is terrible. But that doesn’t mean that poor people and poor people of color don’t get treated differently by the system a lot of the time — at least when there’s no $$ potential for the Sharpton/Jackson/Nancy Grace crowd. I don’t know. I do know that life pretty much sucks for women like Sabryna Fulton and it’s hard to take any pleasure in what happened. She may not deserve the Mother of the Year award but she doesn’t deserve scorn either.

    As to that idiot Gwenn Ifill, how to talk to your young black sons about Trayvon Martin? First, what miq2xu said, and then what every good mother tells her sons — work hard in school, be respectful to others, use your words not your fists, don’t dress in the thug uniform alone at night in a strange neighborhood, and get a job.

    Why is that so difficult for allegedly intelligent pundits to understand?

    • yttik says:

      How to talk to your kids? I did it all the time, especially with my 6 ft son who still runs around in a black hoodie looking like a bank robber. Dad talked to him a lot too, mostly about how when you’re 17 you aren’t as big and bad and invincible as you think you are. Choose your battles wisely.

      If Martin had been white and Zimmerman black, I honestly don’t think charges would have been filled. In fact, I don’t think we would ever have heard of the case. The only reason this case came to the media’s attention was because of the President stepping in. Americans, even poor, black Americans tend to support people’s right to defend themselves.

      • Yep – obama’s ham-handed intrusion was damaging and dangerous.

      • It wasn’t just Obama. Before he even mentioned it, Charles Blow had an op ed in the NYT. I remember sharing it with students and having a conversation about it in class. That was before I found out the real story; a couple of weeks after it happened, and before it blew up. So plenty of race-baiters worked their networks to bring it to the forefront. Once it was there, Obama merely offered an assist. It was blowing up before he did that, however. He just took advantage of the situation.

    • Internal Exile says:

      Unfortunately, that last part–“get a job”–is easier said than done these days, now that the international corporate elite can ship so many jobs overseas, where they can get what amounts to slave labor.

      Meanwhile, the jobs which do remain disproportionately pay low wages and low benefits, so even if one can get such a job, one can forget about supporting a family on it.

    • Yep and yep, plus stay away from the drug scene. Period. Until you’re at least 30.

      As to your “wondering”, IMO the handling outcomes would have been the same. It looks like CoP Lee had pretty well reorganized the front line operations of SPD into a color-blind department. Probably had several ranking officers dragging their heels on that, but that might cut both ways.

      Now ask the same questions if the scene had been in Chicago or Detroit, what would have been the outcome?

      Justice isn’t equal. Just ask the families of those recent Chicago slaying victims.

    • gxm17 says:

      Apparently, with the statistics on black on black crime with a self-defense claim, yes, he would have walked. Also, please keep in mind that George Zimmerman is brown, not white.

      The one thing I made sure to impress upon my son was “fight fair.” That means, fight standing up. If someone is on the ground, it’s time to stop beating them. He was once suspended from school for stopping a fight because one kid was on the ground. The principal explained to me that my son became “involved” with the fight when he stopped it. Sadly, that’s a true story.

    • 1539days says:

      Zimmerman had a legal defense fund to which many second amendment supporters contributed. I think that would be the case regardless of what color the man was. There’s plenty of “white trash” out there disparaged as much as black thug wannabees.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I think if GZ were black, but the same GZ, he would have been treated the same way initially (letting him go) and it would have never gone beyond that. There would be no media fanning Obama/Sharpton/Jackson flames, no DOJ, nuttin’. We would have never heard of George Zimmerman.

    • myiq2xu says:

      Those are good questions. But the correct solution is not to treat white people badly too, it’s to treat black people fairly.

      You can’t cure injustice with more injustice.

    • Lulu says:

      Small correction. Zimmerman family is working class. He had few resources. His parents are retired. He was fired, kicked out of community college, etc. His money for defense and living came from online donations from other citizens who figured out fairly quickly what was going on. And Sabrina Fulton makes a fair salary with the city of Miami housing dept estimated about 75,000 annual as she has worked there a long time. The Martin’s and Fulton’s are apparently middle class also and not a deprived inner city family as they were employed unlike so many other people. Just saying.

      • Internal Exile says:

        Thanx, Lulu. That’s interesting to hear. Martin may actually have come from a higher socioeconomic stratum than Zimmermann.

        This would suggest that anger born of a deprived, inner-city existence was NOT the source of Martin’s thug-wannabe antics–so I wonder what was? 😕

        • leslie says:

          How about being ignored by parents – both of them. That can fill one’s head and heart with hurt as well as anger. From what I read/heard, TM was essentially raised by his father’s second wife until that couple’s divorce. I saw an interview with her on CNN or Fox last week. She appeared to have really cared about him and when they divorced, the stability that a young kid needs went out the window. I’m not really blaming the parents, but if Sabryna had just thrown hi out of the house for bad behavior, and the father had determined that his fun was more improtant than actually being with his son – thus having his current girlfriend be responsible for TM, I can understand that feeling dumped by his parents could fuel his antagonism.

    • myiq2xu says:

      In the late 70’s somebody noticed that black men were overrepresented in military prisons compared to their percentage of servicemen. This was taken as prima facie evidence of racism.

      So a huge study was made of the military justice system. The findings were so shocking the report never got much attention.

      They found that black men fared better than white men when it came to low level charges. On the average they got less time for the same offenses, and were more likely to have charges dismissed, receive non-judicial punishment (Article 15) or get discharged in lieu of court martial.

      When it came to serious offenses black soldiers were basically treated the same as white soldiers. The rate of solved crimes, conviction rates and the sentences received were statistically identical.

      The problem was black soldiers committed crimes at a higher rate.

      I remember that study because I was in the Military Police when it was made. We had to complete special racial data forms on every crime report so they could track the data.

      If you look at the current FBI data you will see that young black men commit murder at a higher rate than any other demographic group. They are also more likely to be murder victims. Nobody wants to talk about those numbers.

      90% of the murders of young black men are committed by other young black men. So we focus all our attention on Trayvon Martin.

      • 1539days says:

        I feel tempted to offer an Ann Coulter-ism like George Zimmerman saved a black man from being killed by Trayvon in the next few years.

      • conner43 says:

        Amen,”nobody wants to talk about these numbers”..Young Black men get profiled because a small percentage of them commit the majority of crimes in our country..The Race baiters know this, but it doesn’t slow them down for a nanosecond..
        Not talking about the criminals on Wall St, who, at least, put some ‘thought’ into their crimes, but the garden variety shootings, stickups, and burglaries; so lacking in imagination are these folks they commit the crimes in their own neighborhoods, against their own people.
        I often wonder how much longer we, as a nation, can keep paying for this garbage..
        Worked with a majority of educated minority women for many years, their biggest complaint was that they couldn’t find any decent men, color me unsurprised.
        ps. Dh was a Jag attorney after Viet Nam…minorities were handled with the softest of kid gloves when they got into trouble, you are so right about that.

    • wmcb says:

      My husband was wondering today what might have happened had Trayvon noticed George following him, ascertained that he *probably looked suspicious* skulking around in the rain, and waved at him and said, “Hey – I’m just walking home – I live right over there.” Zimmerman might have said, “Oh, okay, cool. There’s been a lot of breakins lately, so I’m keeping an eye out.”

      Is a culture that beat it into Trayvon’s head that all white (even hispanic) men are out to profile and oppress him partly responsible? Are we doing young black men any favors by teaching them that? What if Trayvon had no innate suspicion of Martin, and so went out of his way to allay any concern? Did a society that *teaches him* that white people hate him prevent any normal human interaction that could have headed this off?

      I wonder if constantly telling young black men that they are objects of scorn and suspicion is actually helping *create* antisocial behavior on their part, which then reinforces any suspicion that exists. If we are going to wonder whether Zimmerman’s prejudices/unfounded fears affected his behavior, shouldn’t we also wonder whether Trayvon’s unfounded fears affected his? What the hell are we doing to young black men by telling them all the time that whitey hates them?

      • darraghcmurphy says:

        I really love this point. Why not just say, hey I’m walking back to my father’s girlfriend’s house from the store. By law, Trayvon wasn’t required to say it, but why not say it?? My daughter’s boyfriend was recently pulled over for “driving while being a young male” and she was in the passenger seat. They were close to our house and she, for some unknown reason, decided she might as well get out and just walk the few hundred yards home. Cop was extremely unhappy and yelled at her to stop . He told her she was in trouble too and demanded her name and social security number. She gave him her name but said she didn’t know her ss number (she doesn’t). He was pissed but waved her off and she walked home. Her boyfriend wasn’t charged with anything and didn’t get a ticket. It was dumb for my daughter to just get out of the car and walk away- the cop was bound to be suspicious. This particular D is not the Sunday school looking type of 19 year old and her boyfriend is a responsible, hard working kid who also has long hair a stoner demeanor (he’s a takented artist headed to the top art school on a full ride in the fall) and drives a shitbox bc his $$ situation is limited. Kids like him get pulled over a lot in this town. But it was smart of her to stop when the cop yelled at her and say my name is XYZ., I live up the street and I don’t know my ss number. Is it fair that a good kid like my d’s bf was pulled over and kind of profiled? Is it legal that the cop tried to sort of detain my daughter ? I don’t know but I don’t think so. It doesn’t much matter. Both kids acted more or less intelligently and innocently. They both went on their way eventually unscathed. Your husband is so right wmcb. Honestly, if Martin had done what you suggest I bet Zimmerman would have offered the kid a ride home. They might hav become friends.

  19. 1539days says:

    Good lord. Some woman Martin family lawyer (how many are there?) appeared on Fox wearing a gray hoodie.

  20. DeniseVB says:

    Stats on Chicago crime, lots of pretty color maps and pie charts 🙂 Seems that guns are the weapon of choice in LESS than half the assaults and robberies and a safe bet they’re not legally owned. Very interesting.

    http://www.heyjackass.com/

  21. votermom says:

    Happy news

    • Constance says:

      That’s great! I’d love to see those morons at NBC get a fine so big Zimmerman can live off it for the rest of his life.

      • Lulu says:

        It is all worked up and just needs to be filed tomorrow probably. It is supposedly before the same goofy judge that did the criminal trial. I hope the first motion is to change judges.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Now there’s the motivation for the parents’ civil suit, grab them some NBC money.

    • John Denney says:

      That’s a good start.

  22. votermom says:

    We just watched The Host on dvd. It got a terrible score on Rotten Tomatoes but I liked it. (I have read the book and it’s pretty faithful adaptation)
    It is a slow paced movie, for sure, but it was a welcome change from current events.

  23. swanspirit says:

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/12/155918/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html#.UeNmb6xFnl-

    FBI records: agents found no evidence that Zimmerman was racist

    After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show.

    Even the lead detective in the case, Sanford Det. Chris Serino, told agents that he thought Zimmerman profiled Trayvon because of his attire and the circumstances — but not his race.

    Serino saw Zimmerman as “having little hero complex, but not as a racist.”

    The Duval County State Attorney released another collection of evidence in the Zimmerman murder case Thursday, including reports from FBI agents who investigated whether any racial bias was involved in Trayvon’s Feb. 26 killing.

    The evidence includes bank surveillance videos from the day of the killing, crime scene photos and memos from prosecutors.

    Among the documents is a note from the prosecutor who said one of the witnesses said her son, a minor, had felt pressured by investigators to say the injured man he saw was wearing a red top. The boy’s testimony had been considered key, because it backed up Zimmerman’s allegation that he — wearing red — was being pummeled.

    Federal agents interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors and co-workers, but none said Zimmerman had expressed racial animus at any time prior to the Feb. 26 shooting of Martin, a black teen, in a confrontation at a Sanford housing complex. As Sanford police investigated the circumstances of Martin’s death, the FBI opened a parallel probe to determine if Martin’s civil rights had been violated.

    Several co-workers said they had never seen Zimmerman display any prejudice or racial bias.

    Two co-workers told agents they spoke with Zimmerman the day after the shooting, and both said they noticed injuries to Zimmerman’s nose and the back of his head. One person said Zimmerman was “absolutely devastated.”

  24. lyn says:

    There’s a photo out of the Zimmerman jury. All the jurors look like Paula Deen.

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