Afternoon Open Thread: Jahar Morrison Edition

It finally happened. For the first time since Friday, the Zimmerman trial & verdict has been displaced as the top story at Memeorandum. Since Saturday night, that story has taken up about half the full listing of articles with blowhards pontificating one way or the other. What displaced it? The Rolling Stone cover of Jahar.

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They gave him the Jim Morrison treatment, yes?

Now there’s a whole ‘nuther topic for blowhards to fight about (isn’t that what hot Julys were made for?), and a new demon in town: The Rolling Stone Editorial staff, who, after hours and hours of outrage and canceled subscriptions, posted this to their FB page:

Our hearts go out to the victims of the Boston Marathon bombing, and our thoughts are always with them and their families. The cover story we are publishing this week falls within the traditions of journalism and Rolling Stone’s long-standing commitment to serious and thoughtful coverage of the most important political and cultural issues of our day. The fact that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is young, and in the same age group as many of our readers, makes it all the more important for us to examine the complexities of this issue and gain a more complete understanding of how a tragedy like this happens. –THE EDITORS

Notice how they use the name Dzhokhar Tsarnaev here, but in the article itself, and in the Five Takaways article promoting it online, they use the name Jahar.

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119 Responses to Afternoon Open Thread: Jahar Morrison Edition

  1. DandyTiger says:

    Talk about a tin ear. Then again, controversy sells.

  2. myiq2xu says:

    That face says “prison bitch” to me.

  3. myiq2xu says:

    Looks like some retailers are refusing to sell the ragazine. Walgreens and CVS for starters.

  4. mcnorman says:

    What is RS promoting? This pos is hawt?

  5. angienc says:

    Same people who seek to “understand” Jahar and every nuance in his life that led to him putting down a pressure cooker bomb next to a 4 year old & then going to a kegger that night are the ones who declared Zimmerman “white Hispanic who hunted down & killed Trayvon because he was black.”

    I’m surrounded by intellectual pygmies.

  6. votermom says:

  7. swanspirit says:

    I i see this rag on a stand anywhere , I am going to grab it , take it to the manager , and demand it be removed , I swear to Goddess. I will make a scene ! And I loathe scenes .

  8. Commenters are raining down verbal blows on them on their FB page, and have been all morning. I gotta say, it’s so fun to watch. Couldn’t happen to worthier group of people.

  9. Ooooooohm! His mama, the fundamentalist Muslim today, was an Islamic whore in her youth.

    The couple met while Anzor was studying law and were married on October 20th, 1986. The next day, their first child, Tamerlan, was born.

  10. votermom says:

    Boston Mayor’s response to RS

    • angienc says:

      Punctuation marks (such as periods) go *inside* quotation marks and you really should not used contractions (such as “can’t”) when writing formally.

      Two pet peeves of mine.

        • angienc says:

          Um, the rules you cite agree with what I wrote (there isn’t a parenthetical reference exception at issue here nor are we talking about a comma introducing dialogue — we’re talking about the punctuation to mark the end of the sentence itself) so I’m confused about your “Ahem.”

        • myiq2xu says:
        • gxm17 says:

          And that link is riddled with my #1 pet peeve: using machine marks instead of quotation marks. (They really should have used quotation marks on a page about…quotation marks!) It’s like nails on a blackboard to me. Smart quotes, people, use your smart quotes.

      • DandyTiger says:

        Agree on contractions. Quotation mark rules have evolved. Blame us techies. 🙂

      • Propertius says:

        Ahem. Henry Fowler, author of The King’s English, The Concise Oxford Dictionary, and A Dictionary of Modern English Usage strongly disapproved of placing punctuation (periods in particular) inside of quotation marks unless they were truly a part of the text being quoted. He considered that particular convention to be a nonsensical and illogical one, imposed by typographers solely on esthetic grounds, that detracted from both the readability and the meaning of text. I believe, in fact, that he referred to it as an “established perversion” of English (I’m on the road and don’t have my copy handy).

        I tend to agree with him, as did Winston Churchill (among others).

        • 1539days says:

          When I started writing as a hobby, I had to get used to the quotation thing. It still feels wrong to me.

        • angienc says:

          Ahem — Fowler’s view is not the standard –which makes him WRONG.

        • Jadzia says:

          The punctuation-outside-quotation marks rule continues to be standard in British English. The English-language books that I buy over here are almost all printed in the U.K., and they all use the British style (which also includes their different spelling rules, and a convention not to put a period after titles like “Mrs”). I like the aesthetics of the American quotation-mark rule with respect to periods, but it becomes problematic from a content point of view when you are using a quotation at the end of a sentence that constitutes a question. Not only does including the question mark inside the quotation tend to look odd (sometimes), in some cases doing that results in a changed or ambiguous meaning. But that is the American rule.

          Oh my God, I am becoming a punctuation geek. Did I mention that I have been editing academic papers as a side job?

        • lyn says:

          Jadzia, I agree about the question mark. Have you seen “The Lone Ranger?” That doesn’t look right, but having the question mark outside doesn’t look right either.

  11. votermom says:

  12. helenk3 says:

    isn’t rolling stone the magazine that published comments against backtrack the got a general to resign.
    he did not make them but a few officers under his command did.

    strange magaizine

    • DeniseVB says:

      Yes, and Hastings the author died in a mysterious flaming auto accident not long ago.

      • 49erDweet says:

        Yep, his computer-enhanced smartcar mysteriously got it’s throttle advanced to full on and it went up to 120 mph in a residential area before running out of free space. But that’s not important.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Just read an article he was cremated without his family’s permission and they are PISSED. Also FOIA’s have been filed by local news agencies and being ignored and nobody’s been allowed to examine the car. The tinfoilers are convinced it was a cyber attack, or lost control by remote???

    • DandyTiger says:

      I like how the press core laughed when Jay dismissed him saying he was sure he would editorialize. Classy.

    • angienc says:

      WTF with all the repetition that Trayvon Martin’s family has called for “peace & calm” — seriously, no one mentions the story without *specifically* drawing attention to that. Obviously, the MSM & all those who helped muckrake this into an arrest & prosecution (which led to a $2.5 million pay day from Zimmerman’s HOA) are now trying to do a little CYA for Martin’s family to protect them against any possible liability for any retaliation done “for Trayvon!”

  13. Here’s a book title you’re never going to read: What’s the Matter with Cambridge?, but clearly you should:

    To be fair, Will and others note, Jahar’s perspective on U.S. foreign policy wasn’t all that dissimilar from a lot of other people they knew. “In terms of politics, I’d say he’s just as anti-American as the next guy in Cambridge,” says Theo.

  14. driguana says:

    The name thing really pisses me off. It’s Zimmerman and Trayvon….not Zimmerman and Martin or George and Trayvon…calling someone by their first name in these kind of situations is immediately more empathetic! Now it’s Jahar….pretty soon it will be Jar Jar…I’m finding it difficult to understand how much I have come to revile the progs…having been one myself….

    • myiq2xu says:

      I use Zimmerman and Trayvon because those are two fairly unique names and I am too lazy to keep spelling out both full names. If I said George and Martin it would confuse people.

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  16. votermom says:

    Ew!!!!!

  17. helenk3 says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/07/17/obama-if-you-oppose-amnesty-its-probably-because-you-fear-minorities/

    chief racebaiter in charge says

    if you oppose amnesty it’s probably because you fear minorities

    that has to be one of the dumbest statements ever made by a president of the US

    • leslie says:

      He is the half-white chief racebaiter in charge thank you very much.

    • leslie says:

      That has to be one of the dumbest statements ever made by a half-white president of the US.

    • Lulu says:

      What about those minority men who gathered to protest in DC saying you are killing our communities because we have no jobs and the immigration bill will kill us off. Like those racebaiters who look like his father? He has no shame. None.

  18. foxyladi14 says:

    Obama is putting on Putin. 😆

  19. Jadzia says:

    Ooh, open thread. I am sweltering in the living room because the boys are “camping” in the yard for the first time tonight and I am worried. An hour into the proceedings one stomped back in and is “NEVER GOING CAMPING AGAIN!!!!” Not a peep from the other two; I hope they haven’t been eaten by an animal or anything like that.

    • Lulu says:

      Just make sure they have flashlights and snacks and they will be fine. Pretend you are going to bed, turn out the lights, and watch them through the dark windows. It is so funny. No campfires allowed!!!

    • myiq2xu says:

      I camped out in the yard a couple times when I was a kid. Never ended up staying out there much past 10 or 11 pm before moving back inside. Did real camp outs a few times and always enjoyed those even though we got rained out twice and burned out once.

      Then I joined the army. They cured me of camping out.

    • yttik says:

      I love backyard camping! That is how we cure all the teen agers that want to hang out at our house. We throw the tent out in the backyard and just lock the doors.

      I got mad at my husband once and moved into the backyard. He was fine with it until he discovered that I’d put our bed in my tent. I had king size memory foam and he had a sleeping bag on the floor.

      • Jadzia says:

        HA HA HA HA HA i like how you think. : ) I actually am seriously considering moving into the tent myself at some point, because the combination of heat wave + no air conditioning + no window screens = more bug bites than you can possibly imagine. The tent, however, is totally screened. Hard to believe it’s come to this, but there you have it.

        • helenk3 says:

          got a thing of my facebook you might want to try

          ziplock bag–fill half full with water—-add 6 or 8 pennies

          hang in window or outside wall
          supposed to keep flies and insects away

        • Jadzia says:

          That sounds weird but I am desperate enough to try it! I have no pennies and am hoping that centimes are made of the same alloy.

    • Jadzia says:

      Yeah, the flashlight is the most important thing, primarily so they can turn it ON AND OFF AND ON AND OFF AND ON AND OFF all damn night.

      Uh, how do you get “burned out” of a camping trip? Yikes.

      • myiq2xu says:

        Uh, how do you get “burned out” of a camping trip?

        Big fire burned up our campground.

      • Lulu says:

        Don’t forget the snacks. My boys ate all night long while their father sat on the deck with a bottle of scotch until he got tired of it. The little one and I stayed inside and laughed. Then there was the condemned tree house…….

        • Jadzia says:

          Okay, I did decline to provide snacks, mostly because we are rural and have things like foxes running around everywhere and I can sometimes be a little paranoid. (You know, because there could be a big fire burning up their camping area or something. Crazy, I know!) Paranoid enough that I sat in the living room most of the night just in case something happened. It turns out that the only thing that happened was that the teenager kept the 6-year-old up “WAY TOO LATE!!!!” and now said six-year-old is sacked out in bed, at 9 a.m. local time.

        • Jadzia says:

          Uh, condemned tree house? I am afraid to ask, yet strangely fascinated.

    • DeniseVB says:

      My idea of “camping” or “roughing it” is a hotel without room service 😀

      • Jadzia says:

        I tend to agree. The ONLY reason that we even have camping gear in the first place is that I used to be really into mountaineering and rock climbing and hiking and cross-country skiing, and to do those things you kind of HAVE to camp, sometimes. If there was a glaciated peak next to the Ritz, that is totally where I would prefer to go.

  20. myiq2xu says:
  21. elliesmom says:

    As someone who was personally affected by the bombing, I have no problem with the Rolling Stone cover as long as the story inside is factually correct. I won’t buy it, but I didn’t buy it last month either. I don’t believe in the death penalty, and this case hasn’t changed my mind. I do want the pos to get a fair trial. I want the police and the prosecution to be thorough and not to make any mistakes that could benefit the defense. When the jury finds him guilty, I want everyone to accept the verdict and the appropriate sentence. Then I want Cambridge to become a sovereign nation.

    • myiq2xu says:

      The last time I bought a copy of Rolling Stone Britney Spears was on the cover for the first time.

      Come to think of it, that’s the only time I ever bought a RS.

    • DeniseVB says:

      A few weeks ago, People magazine had a wonderful update on some of the survivors and their recovery/rehab progress. It was inspiring and heartfelt. This RS cover makes me think what that monster took from those innocents. I figure the only people who’ll scarf up this issue of RS are those sicko cult anti-hero worshipers.

    • Don’t count on it. She’s virtually untouchable by virtue of her holding elective office. Can’t be disbarred for now, and the only person who can remove is the Gov, who put her up to it. The voters can take her down in her next election, but I don’t know when that will be. Did you know she’s Republican?

  22. helenk3 says:

    might want to watch the IRS hearing tomorrow. supposed to be some really interesting testimony. taking the scandal all the way to the white house

  23. myiq2xu says:

    Indoor dried tomatoes recipe:

    Cut up some vine ripe tomatoes into 4-8 pieces each. Lay out on a cookie sheet or baking pan, skin side down. Sprinkle with sea salt and a little ground garlic. Bake at 200 degrees 6-12 hours until just tiny bit of moisture is left. Eat them. Store them. Spread them on a Ritz cracker.

    Muy sabroso!

  24. myiq2xu says:

    It doesn’t matter what I see Patrick Warburton playing in, I always think the same thing: “Puddy”

  25. Material for your next post, Myiq: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/17/rachel-jeantel-huffpost-live-interview_n_3610921.html

    Jeantel expounded on her thoughts on what occurred when Zimmerman and Martin met face to face. “I believe Trayvon hit first,” she said. She went on to describe how she believed that Trayvon throwing the first punch was likely caused by Zimmerman attempting to grab and detain Martin.

    Bolding mine.

    Question: Do you think her fans will still love her after it becomes clear she’s blowing the civil case for Sybrina & Tracy? I think she might be doing it on purpose because she hates Sybrina, the lady who sent her a “mean text” and who forced into doing all this bullshit. Also, I think it’s becoming clear she perjured herself on the stand.

  26. myiq2xu says:
  27. DeniseVB says:

    Saw The Lone Ranger today with my expectations really low because of all the bad reviews. I was literally (Jerry Bruckheimer) blown away, like spending the day at a theme park 😀 Loved it, the story, the beautiful scenery and score, Johnny Depp, Armie Hammer, the brief but fabulous appearance of Helen Bonham Carter….it was a fast 2.5 hours!

    What is it about professional critics that always seem to hate the movies I end up loving ? Anyhow, for a fun summer time, go see it and take the kids !

  28. myiq2xu says:
    • lyn says:

      Perceptive piece … I’ve been wondering about this.
      Here’s something interesting:
      “For the most part, African-Americans have chosen through their elected representatives to reject America as racist and segregate themselves with a separate cultural identity within the country. This is why nearly 60% of African-Americans believe there is a lot of discrimination in America as opposed to 16% of whites and 22% of Latinos.”

      • elliesmom says:

        The part about Hispanics not being a cohesive group rings true with me. The large urban school I taught in had several different Hispanic groups – Puerto Ricans, Brazilians, Mexicans, Dominicans, etc. While they were not “warring factions”, they didn’t share tables in the cafe either.

      • DeniseVB says:

        So many great and positive black role models out there are just not getting through to them ? Seems the Obamas didn’t have the effect we hoped they would. Bill Clinton was a better black president 😉

  29. helenk3 says:

    video should be available soon. alternate juror gives interview

  30. fif says:

    Off topic, but I heard about this on the national news (CBS? I was just walking by) earlier, and now it’s being posted on FB by impressionable folk. I come here for the real facts, not the propaganda garbage of the NY Times/Obama mouthpieces et. al. They are crowing about the plummeting costs of Obamacare and how it is REALLY STARTING TO WORK! Total contradiction from what I’ve been reading up until a week ago. Analysis? wmcb?

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/17/2313111/thanks-to-obamacare-new-yorkers-health-insurance-premiums-will-plunge-50-percent/?mobile=nc

    • 1539days says:

      First of all, these are merely predictions and projections by NY politicians. Democrats claimed Obamacare would only cost 1 trillion that would be taken from other programs, now the cost is 2.5 trillion and rising.

      First, there are federal subsidies. That means more tax money will be spent to make Obamacare rates LOOK lower when the exchanges start. Second, New York is assuming there will be 100% compliance among people who do not currently have health insurance contributing to the pool.

      The proposed rates are “as low as” $308 a month, but only if you make less than $25,000. That’s an individual plan, mind you. The family plans are 3 times as much. Before Obamacare, NY already had a plan that gave children free health care. They also gave prenatal care, no questions asked. The NY Medicaid form allows you to leave out a Social Security number if you are pregnant.

      Here’s the kicker. New York has the highest health care spending in the country. That’s a state total, not per capita. We spend more than California, and they have a considerably higher population. New York is the only state that covers every cost in the medicare book. The fact that Obamacare may lower premiums in the most expensive state in the country to have health insurance only applies to New York. For nearly all of the rest of the country, the costs will be higher out of the gate.

    • myiq2xu says:

      There is a huge difference between “will plunge” and “have plunged”.

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