I woulda smacked him too


Maybe not with a camera rolling:

WATCH: Did This Police Officer Just Smack A Ten-Year-Old Boy?

Extraordinarily uncomfortable video has been making the rounds on the Internet showing a police officer smacking a eight-year-old ten-year-old boy.

The incident reportedly occurred this past Sunday in Eugene, Ore., when an unidentified officer attempted to aid the Department of Human Services in returning the boy to a home from which he allegedly ran away.

According to the original video’s posting, the unnamed child was being removed from his mother and being returned to another person who had obtained custody.

As the officer leads the child away from the home, video shows the boy being uncooperative, insisting that he is “not a runaway,” while other passersby berate the cop for doing something they believe to be unjustified. All of the sudden, the officer turns and smacks the child in the face, alleging he was bitten in the hand.

The woman behind the camera gets in the officer’s face and begins shouting at him: “You do not hit an underage child!” Other civilians shout: “You’re hitting a child that’s not yours!” All the while, the boy screams for help.

[…]

UPDATE: A local news report indicates the child was actually 10 years old, and “was in the custody of his mother, Stephanie Johnston, 28, against a court order for the last few years. Officers believe the boy has never attended school and is reported to be illiterate.”

The report continues: “The father of the boy, Brian Wolfe, 32, has a court order awarding him full custody, with Johnston not being granted any parenting time. Police made contact with the boy, after which several acquaintances of the boy and his mother began telling the boy to run from police and his father.”


More than once in my childhood I encountered the Five Finger Face Slap of Discipline. It helped me develop my reflexes and learn the rules of polite behavior.

This is basically a feral child. This was not a situation where you can give the kid a time out. And the kid stopped trying to bite, didn’t he?

What do you think?


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83 Responses to I woulda smacked him too

  1. yttik says:

    Sounds reasonable to me. I think our culture is a bit freaked out about abuse right now and doesn’t comprehend that we are biological creatures that communicate with our bodies. You have to admit a slap is a pretty quick and effective way to get your point across, much like a dog snaps and growls.

    I think we’re doing a lot of harm to ourselves denying this and over reacting. Everything is abuse today, there’s this mantra that you can’t put your hands on anybody without their permission first. That’s unnatural for us. Often when we ignore biology and try to solve problems and pretend everything is a moral issue, we make things worse.

    Right Amanda Marcotte? Right?? (Damn woman is too dense to ever understand.)

    • votermom says:

      The cop was teaching him a basic life lesson, just like put your hand on the stove & you get hot – this is attack a police officer and you will get immediate retaliation.

      I feel bad for the kid though – it usually takes a lot of bad parenting for a court to take a kid away from the mom completely, and still he ran back to his mom. 10 years old & can’t read/write and too dumb not to know to bite a cop.

  2. Klown says:

    Here’s the long version:

    There ain’t no trash like low-life tweeker white trash.

    I know way too many people just like that. A few are related to me.

    • 49erDweet says:

      I thought they claimed the cop hit the kid. That was no hit. Come on over to my neck of the woods and try biting my hand if you want to see a hit. Sheesh! Are those trash on something, or what?

      • Klown says:

        Crystal meth, probably.

      • yttik says:

        LOL! Too funny, 49er.

        I am growing weary of women, people, who claim everything is abuse. It’s like, abuse! He touched my throat! Well girl, did he squeeze, cut off your airway, crush your windpipe? No? Then STFU already! Gently placing your hand on somebody’s throat may signal an implied threat, but it is not abuse. Abuse is when you are loosing consciousness or laying on the floor.

        Much like what this cop has done does not look like abuse. It looks more like a rather gentle and controlled reaction. Now if he had taken his gun out and blown the little bugger away, I would be happy to declare that over kill.

      • votermom says:

        49er is right – didn’t look like a hit so much as an instinctive “whack the puppy on the nose so he lets go” kind of thing.

  3. Klown says:

    It’s pill refill day. Once a week I have to refill my pill minders. That’s 8 different meds a day, some once, some twice, some three times. The first one first thing in the morning, the last two at bedtime. 6 different times a day I take meds.

    Now I am set for another week.

    • Constance says:

      I hate pill minder refill day. I have two pills that I have to cut in half, what a pain!

    • 49erDweet says:

      Sad day coming up for us. The adult disabled foster son we’ve raised from four, the one who requires two full pill minders to control his anger and violence, is finally beyond our ability to manage and moving to a group home in the next county. Fortunately he’s happy about it, but the rest of the fam is feeling mighty down.

      • Somebody says:

        ((((49er)))) I hope he adjusts well to the home; I’m sure his leaving is hard on everyone. I’m sorry it came to this, but can I just say how wonderful I think you and your family are for all the years you have taken care of this young man.

      • I have a friend whose step son has lived in a group home for a couple of years for similar reasons. He’s autistic and has anger issues. The first group home he was in was not that great, but the second one has been fabulous for him. Because they are so good with taking care of his medical needs and working with him on behavior, he’s happier than he’s been in years, and my friend and her mate can feel good about him being there. I hope your group home situation works out for your foster-son. Tough to see them go, but it might be the best thing for him. You did good getting him here. Keep us posted on his progress. (hugs!)

  4. helenk3 says:

    sometimes the shock of a quick smack will halt misbehavior. It sounds like this child is going to need a lot of help and training. Training that is usually started much earlier in a child’s life. he was cheated out of that training and that will hurt him.

    I always believed that God put extra padding on the rear end of a child to help a parent get a point across.

    • 49erDweet says:

      It isn’t called “the seat of learning” for nothing.

    • helenk3 says:

      my kids were in two sets , so I had teenagers as well as younger children. When my kids would do something and I called them over they came. My oldest daughter had some friends in and the younger two did something and when I called them over they came. My daughter’s friend said to her “they know they are going to get a smack and they still go to her Why. My daughter explained My mom better never have to chase you if you want to live

  5. helenk3 says:

    49er
    Is your grand daughter back in Idlywild yet? now we have a fire in Banning. this one is called the silver fire. it is closer to Hemet. Right up the hill near the 10 freeway.

    • 49erDweet says:

      She’s just finished up the second session at the art’s academy and is back home on the desert, thanks. That’s all country I hunted as a kid so knew it fairly well.but they’ve put lots more roads in according to the google folk. Dry, brush, pfffffffft, flash burn! Just like that!

  6. helenk3 says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/08/obama-asks-public-schools-to-ignore-poor-behavior-by-black-children/

    so how many more kids are we going to have just like the one that got smacked for biting?

  7. 1539days says:

    Then there are the feral adults.

  8. Klown says:

    Any Wes Clark fans out there?

    • gram cracka says:

      Yea, after my husband and I saw, met and heard Gen. Wes Clark at the Jefferson Jackson dinner in Knoxville, TN in 2003 we became supporters of Clark via the Draft Clark movement. We went to several different states to hear him speak and were very impressed with his intelligence, common sense and seeming lack of political bullshit.

      My husband donated hundreds of dollars to his primary campaign. This was a big deal for him since the last President he voted for was Nixon and as he said “that didn’t work out so well”.

      On one occasion Clark’s mobile phone started ringing while he was speaking. My husband yelled out, “answer it, it might be the boss”, meaning his wife. Clark smiled, answered it and yes it was Gert.

      I volunteered for Clark for the South Carolina February primary, even sleeping in my car in a 22 degree ice storm. I met Gert and Congressman Rangel at a fundraiser and was charmed by her graciousness. I even donated money to Rangel and for several years received nice Christmas cards from him (slaps forehead).

      I am shocked about the divorce. They met in 1964 at a Navy dance that Clark and some other West Point cadets crashed. They seemed affectionate and respectful with one another and very devoted to their son and grandson. Gert appeared to be a strong independent minded woman who spoke of how when at home even Generals were expected to take out the trash and help around the house.

      Sometimes marriages fail when people retire and start having so much time together that they get on each other’s nerves too much. My husband and I attended a retirement planning seminar where the wife of an already retired couple said that she, “married her husband for better or for worse, but not for lunch.” In other words, he shouldn’t be expecting her to be at his beck and call and staying home to make his lunch everyday.

    • Somebody says:

      I’m not a big Hannity fan but the comparison of Trayvon Martin to Emmett Till is disgusting.

      I guess Oprah has her billions and has decided to join the race hustlers now. Maybe she’ll start shaking down businesses next.

      • Mary says:

        Oprah is in movie-promoting mode right now. Gotta play the part—she wants that Oscar.

        I do love that both of Hannity’s commenters are African American, though.

    • lyn says:

      Hey, Oprah, Trayvon Martin was not Emmett Till.

  9. DeniseVB says:

    If the modern definition of child abuse existed in the 50’s, me and my 5 siblings would have grown up in foster homes 😛

    • Klown says:

      My mom encouraged all the neighbors to feel free to smack me around if I got outta line.

      • votermom says:

        I was the opposite – I always had to live down the “mommy’s pet” accusation because I think my mom had outgrown spanking kids when I came along. She had perfected the art of the verbal dress down and the beady eye by then.
        Although she did slap me the one time I stormed away and accidentally (I swear!) slammed the door. Disrespect was the biggest crime a kid could commit in our house.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Isn’t that the very definition of Hillary’s It Takes a Village ? Heh.

      • Somebody says:

        I don’t think my parents would have minded one bit if the neighbors smacked me around……..it would have given them a break. I was the black sheep all my life, never could do anything right and if I did anything wrong I was sure to get caught……heck I got blamed for everything even when it wasn’t my fault. I was certainly no angel, but my parents have no idea how many things I did because I knew no matter what I did I was going to get the crap beaten out of me and be put on restriction so I learned to make it worth my while.

        I never had a neighbor smack me around, but my parents were quick to accept any story from anyone about wrongdoing on my part. I think the absolute worst thing I was ever blamed for was a teenage pregnancy…….not mine, a neighbor’s. Recap, I’m female, I kind of thought biology ruled me out as a suspect. I was wrong.

        Yep that’s right her parents came to the door and convinced my parents that I was at fault for their daughter being pregnant because I was a bad influence or something. I didn’t even know she was having sex or even seeing anyone, she and I weren’t really very close.

        Her parents went around telling everyone to keep their children away from me lest they fall prey to my evil spell or something.

        • Klown says:

          Her parents went around telling everyone to keep their children away from me lest they fall prey to my evil spell or something.

          My mom told the neighbor kids not to play with me because I was a bad influence.

        • Somebody says:

          Too bad we didn’t grow up in the same neighborhood at least we could have hung out with each other, LOL!!

    • foxyladi14 says:

      So would I and every one of my 5 kids. 🙂

  10. votermom says:

    From the comments on the cop smacks kid article on mediate
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-did-this-police-officer-just-smack-an-eight-year-old-boy/#comment-991491069

    Sky MKinley • a day ago −
    Actually the little boy bit the officer.

    He was being removed from an abusive home and placed into the custody of his biological father. A father who had been forced to prove he was the boys father and then take the mother to court to protect his son. The son who was living in a filthy bus, being exposed to a mother who is a drug addict and did not take care of the boy. The boy unfortunately has been taught that his father is “the enemy” because his drug addicted mother was using the benefits she received to support her drug habit and zero ambition lifestyle.

    The more you know!

    Pretty much what I expected.

  11. I watched the whole video. I’d say it was a comedy of the absurd, but there is nothing funny about where those children are headed. I foresee jail or a cemetery for most of them in the next decade. And there wasn’t an adult civilian in the video qualified to parent, except for the guy in the cap and satchel. Is he the father? A social worker? I hope the boy in question gets the help he needs. Gonna take a lot of time and therapy to tame that poor feral child. I don’t envy the father.

  12. fif says:

    IMO he didn’t handle it well. He was afraid of the camera. He should have taken control of the situation, and and used his authority, saying directly to the person with the camera (and the kid nearby) camera, “Do not interfere with my job or you will be breaking the law.” Because he was distracted by them, he wasn’t paying attention to the kid when he bit him and he reacted impulsively. I worked with abused and neglected kids, and we were trained to restrain them in very effective and non-violent ways when they tried to bite, punch, kick, pull hair etc. His response is understandable but it will be used against him now and they should be trained to deal with this kind of stuff to avoid blowback.

    • Constance says:

      The kid probably feels responsible for his mother and is probably worried sick about her. What a horrible situation. The Dad will need to reassure him that his mother is OK.

    • Somebody says:

      I’m sooooooo glad this is starting to come out!!! There is more, they need to keep digging.

  13. Somebody says:

    I wonder where Drudge got this??? Megyn replacing Hannity?
    http://www.drudgereport.com/flashmk.htm

    • DandyTIger says:

      I’ve been thinking that for a while. I assume Hannity is popular, but he’s the most glaring ultra political guy on FoxNews, and mostly gives them bad PR. If he’s super popular, like O’Reilly, then it won’t be him. But I don’t think he really is.

    • helenk3 says:

      that would make two women in a row Megan then Greta. not to sure that FOX would do that

  14. mcnorman says:

    “feral” child…I like that. Perfect and most apt description.

    I’m of the mentality that a smakin’ is better as a kid than one that comes in prison later.

  15. foxyladi14 says:

    Screaming just doesn’t work nearly as well as a swat on the butt. 🙂

    • Klown says:

      I taught my kids certain command words, when spoken in the proper tone of voice caused them to immediately respond with certain actions.

      The three words were their name, “HOT!” and “NO!”

      Let’s say you turn around and see your daughter reaching for a pan that just came out of the oven. You don’t have time to explain conduction and retention of heat. You only have a split second.

      So you say “HOT!” in a loud (command) voice and she reflexively snatches her hand away from the pan before making contact and burning herself.

      “NO!” means stop what you are doing immediately, stop moving, just freeze. Calling their name means answer up/return to parental unit for instructions.

      You cannot reason with a 2 year old and some times you need instant obedience. They understand pain and fear. Mild swats to hands and buttocks accompanied by voice commands will not traumatize them nearly as much as getting badly burned or run over by a care would.

      Then as they get older you can start using other methods.

      Humans used corporal punishment on kids for thousands of years. Then along came Dr. Spock.

  16. Klown says:

    Holy Moly!

    Reed’s team and emergency workers from several other jurisdictions tried for at least 45 minutes to remove the twisted metal from around Lentz. Various pieces of equipment broke and the team was running out of choices. A helicopter waited to carry Lentz to the nearest trauma center. Though Lentz appeared calm, talking about her church and her studies toward a dentistry degree, her vital signs were beginning to fail, Reed said…

    That’s when Lentz asked if someone would pray with her and a voice said, “I will.”

    The silver-haired priest in his 50s or 60s in black pants, black shirt and black collar with visible white insert stepped forward from nowhere. It struck Reed as odd because the street was blocked off 2 miles from the scene and no one from the nearby communities recognized him…

    Everything happened quickly after that. Twenty emergency workers pulled together and sat the car upright, Churchill Lentz said. Katie Lentz’s vital signs improved and a rescue team from a neighboring community suddenly appeared with fresh equipment and tools. Lentz was removed and rushed to the hospital.

    When they went to thank the priest, he was gone as mysteriously as he’d arrived — and according to Reed, among 69 photographs taken at the scene during the rescue, the priest doesn’t appear in a single one. Dude?

    More from KHQA:

    “He came up and approached the patient, and offered a prayer,” Reed said. “It was a Catholic priest who had anointing oil with him. A sense of calmness came over her, and it did us as well. I can’t be for certain how it was said, but myself and another firefighter, we very plainly heard that we should remain calm, that our tools would now work and that we would get her out of that vehicle.”

    The Hannibal Fire Department showed up right after that prayer with fresh equipment and was able to finish the extrication. After getting Katie safely into the Air Evac helicopter, at least a dozen of the rescue workers turned around to thank the priest who was no where in sight. The highway had been blocked for a quarter of a mile during the hour and a half rescue, leaving no bystanders and no parked cars nearby. Lentz’ family and friends are amazed by the story.

    “Where did this guy come from?” Lentz’s friend Travis Wiseman asked. “We’re looking for the priest and so far, no one has seen him. Whether it was a priest as an angel or an actual angel, he was an angel to all those and to Katie.”

  17. DandyTIger says:

    RIP Karen Black.

  18. yttik says:

    Sometime I watch parents these days and all their attempts to avoid swatting a kid and it sure starts to look more like major emotional abuse. Just put the poor kid of his misery already. I’ve been listening to you try to count, try time outs, lectures, begging, and I’m now considering killing myself just to make the sound of your voice go away. Imagine how that poor kid feels, left being so out of control while his parents seem to be demanding that his brain find a way to reason. It can’t, nobody can reason when they’re shrieking hysterically. One swat and it’s over, but of course people are afraid to do that these days.

    • Klown says:

      My first ex used to do daycare and she watched this kid Jeffery every day. Every day it was the same thing – Jeffery’s mom would spend at least 15 minutes trying to get Jeffery to get in the car.

      Come on Jeffery. Let’s go Jeffery. Get in the car, Jeffery. Time to go home, Jeffery.

      I would have been like “Get in the car.” {{Whack!}} “I said get in the car!

    • votermom says:

      The preschool owner (a couple owned it, this was the husband) advised me once that little kids respond to touch. Touch them first before talking to get their attention if you want to redirect behavior.

      I think I have them trained now to respond to my various beady eyed glares.

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