Caturday Open Thread


Another day, another doldrum. Filty Filner is gone. Chris Stevens is still dead. Will today be the day that Obama regains his manhood by launching cruise missiles at Syria?

This obviously ain’t gonna be the SF Giants’ year. Not feeling optimistic about the Oakland Raiders either. Tomato season is over. My garden is now just another mess to clean up. I have a stalker. It’s been f**king hot every day.

Maybe I’ll go see that new horror movie and get cheered up.

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54 Responses to Caturday Open Thread

  1. The Klown says:

    As bad as Assad is compared to the rebels he’s probably the lesser of two evils.

    I think we are backing the wrong horse.

  2. DeniseVB says:

    Today’s the MLK anniversary march in DC. I see that Trayvon’s mom is one of the speakers. Was Alveda King not available?

    Also noticed Obama’s going to have his own “march” later this week, wonder why he, Clinton and Carter didn’t want to be part of this one?

    I might have to check Cspan, they usually cover these things ….

  3. DeniseVB says:

    It’s on Cspan. All I see are NAACP and Support Trayvon’s Law signs. There’s an American Flag with Obama’s photo where the stars should be. MLK would be rolling over in his grave about now…..

    Haven’t seen a wide crowd shot yet. But if they do, here’s one to compare it to, Beck’s Restoring Honor MLK rally from Aug 2010.

    I was there 🙂 Great uplifting event celebrating everything that’s right with America and truly honoring MLK’s message. Sarah Palin and Alveda King were among the speakers.

  4. DeniseVB says:

    Julian Bond: Trayvon has joined Emmet Till in our fight for blah,blah,blah.


  5. 1539days says:

    Is the new horror movie you’re going to see Elysium, or is that just horrible?

    At least now Matt Damon can be Robin to Ben Affleck’s Batman.

  6. elliesmom says:

    I read the Freakanomics link Helen posted in the post below about forgiving student loans, and I also waded through a lot of the comments. I was struck by how many people believe the Baby Boomers got a free ride through college and are now sticking it to the young people who are in college or have recently graduated. College wasn’t “free” for the Boomers. If your parents were blue collar, and you were the first generation to go to college, it was unlikely your parents could just write a check. There was scholarship money, but a lot of people went into debt. Those that did were expected to pay off the money they borrowed, and for some people it took 20 years. What was different was far fewer people went to college. I think about 15% of my graduating class did. It wasn’t a “right”. It was a privilege. If I’m going to get blamed for the cost of a college education increasing far above the rate of inflation, then I also want the credit for so many people having access to a college education that so many Boomers never got. Our sin as a generation was not making our children evaluate the cost/risk benefits of going to college the way our parents did for us. Boomers who were the first in their family to go to college were better able to help their children pay for school. Boomers who didn’t make it there themselves were more determined than their parents were to send the kids to college any way they could. Now the Boomers are becoming the grandparents of kids whose parents weren’t able to pay off their own loans in time to start saving to send their kids, and if the comments are to be accepted as common belief, should be forgiving the loans and paying for our grandkids’ tuition. I have wondered what people would do when they couldn’t blame Bush anymore. The answer is still blame Bush. Who are Generation X and the millenials going to blame when the Boomers are gone?

    • leslie says:

      If I could comment I’d say: “I went to college – a state school. I worked 2 jobs plus babysitting for many of the professors throughout the 4 years (not the 5,6,7 years the millenniums take) it took to graduate. I was also on a state scholarship that entire time. I worked through high school, college, graduate school and between and beyond. I’m still working. Go get a job.”
      Geesh! My own kids have had to work for their college education as well. All manner of jobs. They are doing just fine and when they hear the whining they lose patience as well.

      • 1539days says:

        I’ve lived in a dorm, I’ve commuted and I’ve worked a job while going to college. I think anyone can handle going to school part-time while working full time. The “jobs of the future” that require an education are few and far between. The jobs of the past are going away. I tend to agree with Mike Rowe (formerly of “Dirty Jobs”) who thinks some of the most important jobs are done by people with skill and perseverance, but not necessarily a college degree.

      • angienc says:

        I’m part of Gen X but I worked part-time as a waitress through by FOUR years of undergrad and as a bank teller through my THREE years of law school.
        I had partial academic scholarships through the schools in both cases (which meant maintaining a high GPA) and I took out loans for the rest that I am still repaying.
        Those spoiled millenials can kiss my ass — get a job.

        • elliesmom says:

          I was the first in my family to go to college. My dad was emotionally supportive, helped with a little pocket money when he could. I didn’t go to my first choice school although I got in because I had better financial aid elsewhere. I graduated debt-free. My husband’s folks were professionals, and they mostly paid for him to go to school. He had a small student loan, and we worked together to pay it off. We saved to put our two kids through school. They each a choice of going somewhere we could afford to pay for or choose to make up the difference. Our daughter got an academic scholarships at the school she really wanted to go to, and with the help she got from us, she graduated debt-free. Son weighed the pros and cons. He chose to go to a good state university close enough he could live home that left him enough of our money for a Jeep, the car of his dreams at the time. Our son-in-law left college midway through. When he was laid off from work, Elliesdad and I loaned him the money to finish college. When he did it with a 4.0 GPA, we forgave the loan. We think we’ve put our share of kids through college. If we kick the bucket before the grandkids get to college, there will be money for them to go, but if we’re still alive and kicking, we’re going to need it to eat.

    • The Klown says:

      Who are Generation X and the millenials going to blame when the Boomers are gone?

      Their kids.

    • 1539days says:

      There’s the impression that before the government cracked down on student loan repayment in the 80s, the first group of recipients were able to get away with defaulting on student loans. I have no idea how prevalent it was.

      I just blogged about the perverse incentive of government subsiding college last night. In a nutshell, we’re seeing more kids go to more expensive colleges and dropping out at higher rates. The economy can only support a certain number of college graduates.

      When I got out of college, I worked a series of jobs that were skilled and unskilled. My current employer hired me in a low-skilled position until I applied for a higher-skill opening. College has a better chance of getting you a better job than a first job.

      • leslie says:

        You’re right, of course. My graduate school loan was a killer. But I got several offers following grad school (a later in life degree,btw). They were “1st” jobs as well, but led to better jobs and pay later on. I bought a house and rolled he student loan into the mortgage so that I paid off that loan sooner rather than later. One might have suggested that to the broncobamas rather than use their credit cards until they had to refinance their home loan to pay off those cards.

  7. DeniseVB says:

    Filner’s blaming “lynch mob mentality” in his resignation speech, take that War on Women Freedom Fighters 😉

  8. helenk3 says:

    do they still have business courses and college courses in high school?. back in the dark ages when I went those who knew there was no chance of going to college took business courses to prepare them for the working world. they also had shop and auto mechanic to teach kids for blue collar jobs.had more to do with economics than brains

    • elliesmom says:

      The answer is not really. Schools are expected to prepare all kids for college. There are still “shop classes”, but they are electives and don’t go anywhere near preparing a kid for work. On the other hand, most states have a vibrant vocational/technical high school network that offer career opportunities for kids right out of school. While my son went to college, he got his first professional job based more on his vocational certification than his college degree. The problem is most parents think their kids are too smart to go to one of them. I think in today’s job market, kids would be stupid not to. Want to be a highly sought after chemical engineer? Be a qualified plumber, too.

  9. foxyladi14 says:

    I had a stalker once. then he saw me in the daylight. 😆 😀

  10. mothy67 says:

    Has anything been done about those “business schools” that persuade kids to go deeply in debt and advertize at 3 am? I know a young single mother who is planning to attend one in order to get her degree/certificate(?) in medical assisting. She told me she will be about 50k in debt when she graduates. The local community college offers the program for less than 2500 total of which she could probably get a number of grants. But she is convinced that 50k will buy her more opportunity.
    Also knew a guy my age who was forced to attend school part time while working and raising his son. Day one he started skimping and saving. Paid cash for 5 years plus room and board and the kid never went without cash in his pocket. he did average in school but studied liberal arts and now he is an assistant manage of a discount store and his boss has a GED. Maybe high schools should emphasize opportunity cost and need for most degrees. When OWS had people screaming about their student loans in the 6 figures it was laughable. A simple search tells you what an MSW can expect to earn. And should student loans be forgiven what of those who have repaid? I think the state schools should be more affordable and tuition based on performance.

    • 1539days says:

      Remember, a college (and it’s private and public now) wants to get as many asses in the chairs as possible. The way to do that is to offer a rainbow of stupid-ass degree programs along with the real ones. The reason for this? Tuition is “free” because the government will give a teenager a loan for $100,000 because they have IRS agents to collect it later.

      Sadly, socialist countries have a more sensible model. They decide what parts they need in the machine and teach them that skill and assign them a job. As capitalists, we should make the cost of college be a barrier to bad decisions on majors. If there are more HS grads there will be more HS grad level jobs where people can learn the value of work, being on time and moving up in a company.

      • DeniseVB says:

        I attended a “private” college in Washington DC in 1964, my Dad sent me there as sort of a reform school punishment for not being interested in “real” college. I had no skills, but agreed because it meant I didn’t have to work. So much for rebelling as long as Daddy paid for it. Learned a little typing and shorthand, after a semester got recruited by Capitol Hill to be a staffer for a freshman Congressman. At 18.

        Oh, that school ? Has gone viral, Strayer University Online.

    • elliesmom says:

      When I decided to go back to school to get advanced degrees in education, my GRE scores made Harvard sit up and take notice. But even with the grants they were offering me, it would have cost me an arm and a leg. So I did the graduate work at the same state university my son chose. When I got my first teaching job, a fellow newbie was very proud of his Harvard degree, but he was hired into the same job I was at exactly the same pay. Who was the smarter one? Of course, the community college is the way for her to go. She’s no more likely to get a job with a certificate that costs her $48,000 more, and in the unlikely event some company offers her a premium for it, she’d have to work many years to make up for the principal and interest on the loan.

      • mothy67 says:

        The school also told her she would have extra money from her loans to ease some of the financial burden of living expenses. Makes it to easy for them to sign on the dotted line. As much as I just want to shake some sense into her there is nothing I can do. She is a 22 year old mother raising a 6 year old on her own and the opportunistic schools know that they can feed on young women like her saddled with so few opportunities. Easy for me to evaluate her decision from a vista of 20 plus years her senior. I just wonder how many fall into comparable traps.

      • Constance says:

        The barista at my favorite coffee house has some sort of writing or English degree from Yale.

        My kids went to state Universities like myself and their Dad, they came out of school with paid internships, they got degrees that were likely to lead to employment and they did it without taking student loans. I can’t remember ever having conversations about cost/benefit analysis of college but somehow they “got it”. As it turns out it is a good thing they were so conservative in their behavior as my husband was excessed and is now officially retired against his will at age 58 and I am also becoming semi retired against my will. The economy really sucks and hours and wages are being cut everywhere. We can support ourselves in unwanted retirement at this point but supporting any lingering adult kids financially would be out of the question.

        • elliesmom says:

          We had our kids in our 20’s, worked our butts off to give them a nice life, not extravagant in any sense, but nice, sent them off to college, no debts for them or us, paid for a wedding and a half, and gave them help with a down payment on their first house. We’ve been around when they’ve needed short term loans, but they are expected to and have paid us back. We’re both retired at 62, and unless the economy really tanks, when everybody will be in deep doodoo, we shouldn’t need to be a burden on them. In exchange, they don’t get to be a burden on us unless they’re homeless. Then they can move in and cook, clean, mow the lawn, etc, while I read a book.

        • Take a deep breath and then look around at the part time or short term consultancy type opportunities out there. Been retired a decade and still run into paying gigs.

  11. votermom says:

  12. Somebody says:

    I presume you mean a cyber stalker Klown and not an actual stalker following you around your neighborhood.

    BTW if it is who I think it is…….I saw that coming a mile away, long before things went haywire. You need to hone your “radar” a little bit.

    The good news is most people like that tire of cyber stalking after a few weeks.

    • The Klown says:

      I don’t need radar. I am a magnet for cray-cray. My relationship diary looks like a Who’s Who in Mental Illness. But as my mom likes to point out, “They seemed normal when you met them.”

      I hope I don’t have to change my identity and move again.

  13. DeniseVB says:

    I just had a twit-epiphany …..

  14. The Klown says:

    My Eldest Son was disappointed a few months back when he didn’t get the promotion he was hoping for. So he took a new job as IT manager for a K-12 school district. (25 schools, 16,000 students.) Big pay raise.

    This son is the über geek who dropped out/got kicked out of high school his senior year for alleged hacking. He took the GED and started classes at the local JC, got a 2 year “general studies” AA degree and two months later went to work for them in their IT department making more money than me.

    He is 32 years old.

  15. DandyTIger says:

    Holy crap, you do have a stalker.

  16. foxyladi14 says:

    That is sad about Bales. 😦

  17. 49erDweet says:

    Borrowed from Politically Incorrect.
    A woman who had been married three times walked into a bridal shop one day and told the sales clerk that she was looking for a wedding gown for her fourth wedding.
    “Of course, madam,” replied the sales clerk, “exactly what type and color dress are you looking for?”
    The bride to be said, “A long frilly white dress with a veil.”
    The sales clerk hesitated a bit, then said, “Please don’t take this the
    wrong way, but gowns of that nature are considered more appropriate for brides who are being married the first time – for those who are a bit more innocent, if you know what I mean? Perhaps ivory or sky blue would be nice?”
    “Well,” replied the customer, a little peeved at the clerk’s directness, “I
    can assure you that a white gown would be quite appropriate. Believe it or not, despite all my marriages, I remain as innocent as a first-time bride. You see, my first husband was so excited about our wedding, he died as we were checking into our honey moon hotel. My second husband and I got into such a terrible fight in the limo on our way to our honeymoon hotel that we had that wedding annulled immediately and never spoke to each other again.”
    “What about your third husband?” asked the sales clerk.
    “That one was a Democrat,” said the woman, “and every night for four years, he just sat on the edge of the bed and told me how good it was going to be, but nothing ever happened.”

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