“It’s Different When We Do It”



Dippy Debbie, May 2012:

Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz has said Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s “attacks on workers’ and women’s rights are the definition of a fireable offense” and that recalling him would “[send] a powerful message to the far-right extremists.”


The Democratic National Committee is increasing its involvement in the push to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R), promising grassroots assistance and a fundraiser hosted by the chair.

DNC Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) called Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett (D) on Tuesday, pledging her full support of his gubernatorial campaign, according to DNC spokeswoman Melanie Roussell.

Wasserman Schultz will host a fundraiser for Barrett in Wisconsin later this month; the exact date has not been set.

Dippy Debbie, now:

Democrat National Committee Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) says the coming recall elections of Colorado state senators John Morse (D) and Angela Giron (D) are “a blatant attack on our Democratic principles.”

Voters are trying to recall Morse and Giron because of their support of gun control laws that banned rifle and pistol magazines larger than 15 rounds, banned shotgun magazines larger than eight rounds, and mandated a background check on every gun sale in the state, i.e., universal background checks.

The laws also contained a new fee that will be added to every gun sale to pay for the background checks. Coloradans behind the recall see this fee as a new tax that future Democrats will be able to raise as they please to drive up the cost of buying a gun.

Voters are trying to recall Morse and Giron because the passage of these laws displeased constituents.

Yet Schultz says this is not about Coloradans but about out-of-state groups funding and pushing a recall effort which was unnecessary. So far, however, out-of-state groups and individuals seem to be the ones taking sides with Morse and Giron.

Nope, no inconsistency there.

Just good old-fashioned hypocrisy.

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86 Responses to “It’s Different When We Do It”

  1. yes—–they all wear the scarlet H

    • The Klown says:

      I am generally opposed to recalls unless it involves corruption. It should be like a citizens’ impeachment. If someone wins an election they should be allowed to legislate/govern for a full term as long as they do it honestly and competently. That’s democracy.

      The initiative and recall laws can be easily abused. Here in California we’ve seen both.

    • driguana says:

      The Scarlet H….love it. She’s also downright creepy and whenever she speaks, in that lovely tone of voice, makes absolutely no sense at all. I call her a “head scratcher”…every time she talks, I scratch my head.

  2. The Klown says:

    This kinda fits this thread:


    Good causes sometimes have bad consequences. Blacks, women, and other historical out-groups were right to demand equality before the law and the full respect and liberties due to any member of our civilization; but the tactics they used to “raise consciousness” have sometimes veered into the creepy and pathological, borrowing the least sane features of religious evangelism.

    One very notable pathology is a form of argument that, reduced to essence, runs like this: “Your refusal to acknowledge that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…} confirms that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…}.” I’ve been presented with enough instances of this recently that I’ve decided that it needs a name. I call this general style of argument “kafkatrapping”, and the above the Model A kafkatrap. In this essay, I will show that the kafkatrap is a form of argument that is so fallacious and manipulative that those subjected to it are entitled to reject it based entirely on the form of the argument, without reference to whatever particular sin or thoughtcrime is being alleged. I will also attempt to show that kafkatrapping is so self-destructive to the causes that employ it that change activists should root it out of their own speech and thoughts.

    My reference, of course, is to Franz Kafka’s “The Trial”, in which the protagonist Josef K. is accused of crimes the nature of which are never actually specified, and enmeshed in a process designed to degrade, humiliate, and destroy him whether or not he has in fact committed any crime at all. The only way out of the trap is for him to acquiesce in his own destruction; indeed, forcing him to that point of acquiescence and the collapse of his will to live as a free human being seems to be the only point of the process, if it has one at all.

    This is almost exactly the way the kafkatrap operates in religious and political argument. Real crimes – actual transgressions against flesh-and-blood individuals – are generally not specified. The aim of the kafkatrap is to produce a kind of free-floating guilt in the subject, a conviction of sinfulness that can be manipulated by the operator to make the subject say and do things that are convenient to the operator’s personal, political, or religious goals. Ideally, the subject will then internalize these demands, and then become complicit in the kafkatrapping of others.

    (h/t Legal Insurrection)

  3. foxyladi14 says:

    Happy Holiday everyone. 🙂

  4. helenk3 says:


    senate dems will alter Syria force authorization. the way it is worded now it gives backtrack too much power.

  5. Rangoon78 says:

    The eight hour day was a hard fought battle resulting in a great victory for labor. Now the roll-back of these gains is being spearheaded by the corporate charter school movement, facilitated by a Democratic president:

    “KIPP St. Louis teachers are in school Monday through Friday from 7:10 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., with most arriving before and staying late. Many take on additional leadership roles, working as Saturday School Coordinators, Grade Level Chairs, and Content Chairs. They are available to help students with homework until 9 p.m. via school-provided cell phones. Our teachers commit to teaching some Saturday School classes and…”

    The Haymarket riot:

    “It began as a peaceful rally in support of workers striking for an eight-hour day. An unknown person threw a dynamite bomb at police as they acted to disperse the public meeting. The bomb blast and ensuing gunfire resulted in the deaths of seven police officers and at least four civilians; scores of others were wounded.”

    May Day: Haymarket and the 8-Hour Work Day

    The events of the first May Day in Chicago of 1886.

    For several years prior, labor unions had been calling for a national general strike on May 1, 1886 to lobby for an eight-hour work day. And they got one. More than 340,000 workers participated, and almost 200,000 actually went on strike. There were rallies of 20,000 people in New York, and 10,000 people took to the streets in Baltimore.

    In Chicago, the epicenter of the fight for an eight-hour work day, some 40,000 workers went on strike and marched with local anarchists.

    A bomber was never identified, and police brought conspiracy charges against eight organizers. The trial, Chicago v. August Spies et al, but better known as the Haymarket Affair, became well known for its miscarriage of justice. The convictions were appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, which didn’t hear the case.

    Of the eight defendants, seven were sentenced to death, four were actually hung and one committed suicide in jail before the sentences of the remaining two were commuted down to life in prison.

    Before being hung in November of 1887, Spies, a central speaker that day in the Haymarket Square, is said to have said, “The time will come when our silence will be more powerful than the voices you strangle today.”

    Eventually, though, the country settled on the end of summer to recognize labor, mostly because the powers that be didn’t want the occasion to be forever linked to the events of the first May Day in Chicago of 1886.


    • The Klown says:

      I would like to see school hours expanded, but that doesn’t mean every teacher would have to work from open to close. I’d really like to see some innovation in the whole paradigm, which hasn’t changed in 100 years. We still have K-12 with kids going to class 9 months a year.

      They have tinkered around the edges but the basic format is unchanged.

      • 1539days says:

        Both of these problems are an indirect result of the unionization of teachers. First, the unions allow for teachers to work longer hours because it makes them look more desperate and heroic that usual. Plus, they are well paid for those extra hours.

        Innovation is discouraged because it often involves facilities and equipment that takes away from compensation. Plus, since the union values seniority, many teachers are set in their ways and don’t want to change the way they teach when they only have a few years before retirement.

      • Constance says:

        I really like the concept of starting high school at 10 am and ending at 6pm. The theory being kids that age won’t get out of bed early to cause trouble but since they are awake and unsupervised after school they often use that time destructively. I sent my daughter to private school because she started swim team at 5am (her choice) and there were compelling activities and classes going every week day until 7 or 8pm. Obviously not all teachers or aids were at school fro 5am to 8pm but someone was. I feel the media culture (not the real people culture) is hostile to young women so keeping my daughter out of media culture immersion was important to me. Now she seems to walk through the pervasive anti woman media culture uninfected by it. So I consider the tuition money well spent. But it would be nice if we could bring similar healthy opportunity to all kids.

        • DeniseVB says:

          My idea was high school end at 10th grade, send the super smarties off to community college for 11 and 12 (which are basically AP classses?) and the others to vocational/trade schools. By 18 they are all prepared for their junior year in college or a skilled job. I would not mind my tax dollars supporting this.

        • Constance says:

          Great idea DeniseVB. It would be good if kids had the option to learn a trade or the beginning of a trade while still in high school. Only we would have to let kids choose their path regardless of their grades because the elitists would live in fear of their children learning a useful trade instead of getting a liberal arts degree. I think there are still a few elitists who pride themselves on sending their kids to gifted classes in the public schools.

    • elliesmom says:

      I worked those hours as a public non-charter school teacher, had to pay for my own cellphone, and was expected to carry the contents of my gradebook in my head at all times so I could conduct parent teacher conferences while I was deciding which grade of hamburger to buy at the local grocery store. So what’s different about what charter schools expect of their teachers?

      • leslie says:

        When I taught in the CPS (chicago) we were mandated to be out of the schools within an hour of school closing to avoid being attacked by the gangs in the school parking lots. (and to keep the gangs out of the locked schools.) It didn’t stop the thugs from attacking the teachers who were taking public transit, at the bus stops. This week there was an overt presence of CPD at the schools. I wonder what will happen in 2 weeks when the press isn’t loooking any more. They’ve already had school broken into and the iPads that were promised to the 3-8th graders stolen. i feel like we’re living in the moving “escape from NewYork”. It is utter madness.

        • leslie says:

          movie NOT moving

        • elliesmom says:

          I was routinely at school past 5 o’clock, and while not mandated, it was expected. Kids were there for extra help, parents dropped by for a chat, and teachers got together to collaborate. My point is that it’s not just charter schools that expect more than 7 hours a day from teachers. And I have no idea where the idea of “overtime pay” for teachers comes from. Athletic coaches get paid extra, but that’s the only way to juice up your pay.

  6. 1539days says:

    What scares the DNC about the Colorado recalls is that they may be effective. Of all the Republicans and Democrats up for recall in Wisconsin, only one (Republican) lost, and he had moved out of his home to have an affair.

    • Constance says:

      Totalitarian gun control is a concept thought up by a bunch of educated elitist idiots. They are totally unaware how much it repulses regular people who have very good reasons for wanting to keep their weapons one being they need to be self reliant because the authorities aren’t going to come and rescue them from attacks by animals or human animals in time. It has to be threatening to the ruling class to realize some of their fancy but religiously held ideas could cause them to lose power.

      • angienc says:

        Or as the Duck Commander Phil Robertson says:

        Uptown living you’ve got to call 911. Out where I am, I am 911.”

  7. This is going to be fun.

    In an August 29 letter to AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, ILWU President Robert McEllrath cited quite a list of grievances as reasons for the disillusion of their affiliation, but prominent among them was the AFL-CIO’s support of Obamare.

    “We feel the Federation has done a great disservice to the labor movement and all working people by going along to get along,” McEllrath wrote in the letter to Trumka.

    40,000 quit the AFL-CIO.

    Full letter here.

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  10. helenk3 says:

    off topic


    this 64 year old lady is something else She should be so proud of herself. this is her third try. she did not give up

  11. leslie says:

    Stopped into say Happy Labor Day. (I’m now in withdrawal. I just finished binge watching “House of Cards” this weekend. I don’t know how I’ll last ’til January.)

  12. helenk3 says:


    you know how sometimes little things bother you a lot. well this one bothers me

    court to allow backtrack to keep White House visitor logs secret.

    gives a lot of leeway for a lot of mischief and is not in America’s best interest

  13. The Klown says:
  14. Propertius says:

    Someone should point out to the DNC what one of the major out-of-state contributors in the recall campaign here in Colorado has been this guy – and that NYC employees have been working on the campaign while on the clock:


  15. The Klown says:

    DVR’ing the entire James Bond marathon made sense last night at 3 a.m.

  16. helenk3 says:


    here is an answer on what to do with backtrack. give him a small island and name him king

  17. The Klown says:
  18. foxyladi14 says:

    Surprised we aren’t talking about BB season opener last night. 🙂

  19. helenk3 says:

    all day long I have been hearing ” well backtrack drew a red line and if America does not do something we will lose credibility in the world.”

    first of all I resent being backed into a corner by a fool

    secondly we lost credibility when he was put in office for the 2nd time

  20. driguana says:

    couple more Labor Day musical thoughts….

  21. driguana says:

    couldn’t resist this one…

  22. The Klown says:
  23. helenk3 says:

    just looked out my front door and saw a beautiful rainbow.
    that makes it a good day

  24. DeniseVB says:

    Uh, oh…..


    Could be my computer, but site is acting weird?

  25. DeniseVB says:

  26. The Klown says:

    From my sister:

    Yummy Breakfast When You Wake

    Place 2 sliced apples, 1/4 cup brown sugar, 1 tsp cinnamon, pinch salt in the bottom of the crock pot.
    Pour in 2 cups of oatmeal, 2 cups of milk and 2 cups water.
    Do NOT stir.
    Cook overnight for 8 – 9 hours on low.

  27. angienc says:

    So with my aversion to all things involving the SCOAMF I missed the 2012 Kennedy Center Honors for Led Zeppelin.
    This is how how you do a Stairway to Heaven cover — the Ann & Nancy Wilson (Heart) are genius — they even made Robert Plant cry.

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