Another TCH Open Forum: War is Cool, Right?


Just an excuse for a lame post because I LOVE this graphic, Kerry on Open Thread Style 😀 Anything you want to share about the anti-war Boooosh years? Did you vote for Kerry/Edwards in 2004? Why ? It was because McDreamy Edwards was on the ticket, right? Discuss…..

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69 Responses to Another TCH Open Forum: War is Cool, Right?

  1. SHV says:

    “Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) asked Hagel, “Where did these chemical weapons come from?”

    Hagel said “there is no secret the Assad regime” has had a “significant stockpile” of chemical weapons. Wilson asked him if there was a particular country that may have supplied Assad with chemical weapons.

    “Well, the Russians supply ’em, others are supplying them with those chemical weapons. They make some themselves,” Hagel said.”
    The Def. Sec. Hagel, testifying before a Congressional committee, accuses Russia/Putin of supplying chem. weapons to Assad. Wow!!…That ought to get the G20 off to a great start.

    • DeniseVB says:

      OMG SHV, I just found out the US supported the Taliban when Russia occupied Afghanistan…way back when….Carter? St. Reagan? Clinton?…I am so vexed.

      • SHV says:

        “OMG SHV, I just found out the US supported the Taliban when Russia occupied Afghanistan”
        Read about “Charlie Wilson’s War”….

      • Karma says:

        Yup. It started under Carter with Zbig and continued under Reagan.

        Years later, Zbig proudly stated that taking down the USSR was more important than some riled up Muslims. It was intended to lure the Russians into Afghanistan – “The Graveyard of Nations” and fight the Taliban/bin Laden.

        And internet lore a while back was that bin Laden was trained by the School of Americas (SOA). It was all over the place until a push back on that tidbit and a scrubbing process began. Articles began to disappear which stated as much.

        Here is a transcript of the article where Zbig brags.

      • 1539days says:

        It’s worse than that. The CIA was training Osama bin Laden directly back when he was a resistance leader.

    • The Klown says:

      I’m guessing that Assad got them from Saddam Hussein, who got them from us.

      • SHV says:

        The unitary CW “G” type munitions are long past their shelf life…..The binary, especially those made in Iraq are also like past their “use by date”. I would doubt that US weaponized “G” nerve agents were supplied to Iraq. But since information supplied to the public are usually lies, who the fuck knows what is going on.

        • The Klown says:

          The nerve gas used in Syria sure didn’t kill many people, did it? Like maybe it was old and weak?

        • Propertius says:

          Or maybe it just wasn’t dispersed very efficiently – which would suggest that it might not have been delivered in a well-designed chemical munition.

          Sarin is relatively easy to make – efficient dispersal is another matter entirely.

        • 1539days says:

          It also might indicate it was the rebels who mishandled old canisters and the accidental dispersal was inefficient.

      • Hoping that was Wilson’s point, but not betting the farm, either.

      • Propertius says:

        Having been a chemist in a former life, I’m guessing that they don’t take any particularly advanced technology to make, so either side was free to manufacture them (Aum Shinrikyo, anyone?). I’m also guessing that the criminal elements in several former Soviet republics were readily able to obtain chemical and other weapons for resale after the collapse of the USSR.

        Let’s not forget the North Koreans, either. They’ll sell anything to anyone.

        • The Klown says:

          Sarin and it’s brethren were developed during WWII. Any competent chemist with the proper equipment and precursors could whip up a batch.

        • votermom says:

          North Korea has nukes, so they’re untouchable.
          Assad should have gotten nukes instead of past-sell-by-date chemical weapons, then he’d still be golden.
          That’s what every tin-pot strongman is thinking right now.

        • Constance says:

          Is there an antidote to Sarin? Because you could drop bombs to break open the Sarin canisters and simultaneously drop the antidote, it couldn’t work perfectly but it could work pretty well. Something needs to be done against these weapons.

        • 1539days says:

          Fire kills everything. Use a hot enough bomb and you’re probably good.

        • Propertius says:

          The usual antidote to Sarin (and most other organophosphate nerve agents) is atropine by injection – administered very soon after exposure.

          As 1539days points out, these agents are typically disposed of by incineration.

    • mcnorman says:

      That ought to get the G20 off to a great start.


    • DeniseVB says:

      Yep, waxing nostalgic for the Romneys now. Idiots.

    • angienc says:

      Said the “dying white guy.”

      Why the FUCK should I *want* to pay for someone’s who isn’t kin to me college tuition? Seriously — no one but my parents and ME paid for my college tuition.

  2. Lulu says:

    “But it remains unclear how a possible U.S. military strike in Syria will affect negotiations over the 2014 fiscal year spending bills and legislation to increase the statutory debt ceiling.”

    • Lulu says:

      From the same article: “When we are in a delicate position from a foreign policy viewpoint, it is hard to argue that shutting down our government is in the best interests of America,” (Dick) Durbin told reporters.”

      • So Syria isn’t actually a “squirrel”, it’s a “Koala Bear”!!!

      • Constance says:

        I was thinking Obama might need to buy some Republican votes for war by cutting spending. Of course they will cut Social Security and Medicare so we can run around starting non wars.

        • r u reddy says:

          The reason I voted for Romney in 2012 is that I thought Romney would have a harder time cutting/destroying Social Security/Medicare than Obama would. Obama planned on being the Democratic President who pulled a “Nixon-goes-to-China” on SS/Mcare. The Demorats would have supported him unanimoulsy because “I have a Dream”.
          If Romney had been elected, the Democrats would have obstructed his plans against MCare/SS because they want a DemoCRATic President to get the credit for destroying SS/MCare. And that is why I voted for Romney. Some people would consider that “all the wrong reasons” I suppose.

  3. DeniseVB says:

    My new favorite website/bloggy thing —–> ok, after, TCH, WHD, ACE…

    Knee capping the current administration with zings 😀

  4. The Klown says:
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    • 49erDweet says:

      This is a very, very important squirrel. It must not be mocked. To do so would bring deep, disapproving thoughts down upon a mocker’s mantel – if we only knew what that meant.

  6. The Klown says:
    • DeniseVB says:

      According to my emails, UFPJ and the Answer Coalition are beating the drums too. I think they’re at the WH gates now, but the media’s still ignoring them? Well, they want my money anyhow. Not sure about MoveOn, Soros adopted them in 2008 with a million or so to promote Obama. So confused. 😛

    • Constance says:

      WOW. I didn’t realize they were capable of independent thought. Maybe it’s just because the White house has been in disarray and hasn’t provided any talking points to them. Since Axelrod is back maybe MoveOn will fall back in line.

  7. DeniseVB says:

    Did anyone see this whole movie? This trailer creeps me out…..I think it was the biggest docu of 2012 ?

    • leslie says:

      saw it. there are times – especially now- that I think long and hard about some of the ideas and “warnings” in this movie. It’s funny you mention this movie. I was thinking about seeing it again this past weekend, but no one had a copy available.I have a hold on the library copy. It’s telling as I live in a very liberal (vile prog) area.

    • swanspirit says:

      It is a great movie I highly recommend it !

    • helenk3 says:

      yes it was very informative.

    • driguana says:

      Yes, saw it and loved it. I’m a fan of documentary films and this one was very good. Far superior to anything I’ve seen by either Michael Moore or Al Gore.

    • Somebody says:

      I saw it too Denise. He puts forth an interesting theory that Obama is an anti-colonialist. He talks about the strong anti-colonialist sentiments in his native India. He weaves his theory about Obama based on that and Obama’s past and past associations.

      There probably isn’t a lot of information in the movie that you’re unaware of…….like the Dunham family, Obama’s screwed up mom, his father, his stepfather, Frank Marshall Davis……etc, etc., etc. What is different is his theory of anti-colonialism.

      I found it interesting, but there really wasn’t anything in the movie about Obama’s past that I didn’t already know. Now my husband was a different story, he was flabbergasted! Hubby talked about that movie for weeks, constantly bringing stuff up. D’Souza sticks to mostly verifiable information about Obama, his family and associates. I elaborated for hubby and went into rumors and speculation. I didn’t don a tinfoil hat, but I could have, LOL!!

  8. DeniseVB says:

    And the Dems aren’t the only party in deep doo-doo …. from Kevin Jackson’s site:

  9. swanspirit says:

    When my son returned from the ME , at the very beginning of the Iraq war , he said something I will never forget . He said , “The U.S . doesn’t go anywhere that there isn’t a profit to be made .”
    Now I read the Saudis are willing to bankroll a military operation in “Syria” . Someone wants some of that Saudi money , and they don’t care if we shed the blood of a few soldiers to get it .If Kerry is willing to admit the Saudis will bankroll a military operation , what is he leaving out ? How much they are willing to pay ? To whom these payments will be made ? How much profit will there be ? How much for the cost of a soldiers life?
    Obama and friends have always been motivated by money .

    • votermom says:

      I was wondering the same thing.

    • Constance says:

      I agree. Of course the Halliburtons of the world would profit from a Syrian war. Maybe the Saudis are promising payments of money maybe payments of cheap oil maybe development rights. And I doubt the payments would go to the American people as a complete group.

    • Propertius says:

      The Syrian conflict is (largely) about Qatar and Saudi Arabia wanting to build a natural gas pipeline through Syria and Turkey to supply Europe. Assad opposes this (not least of all because it would break Russia’s near-monopoly on NG supplies to Europe and Russia has always been friendly with him). They want Assad out, which is why they’ve been backing the “rebels” and are willing to pay us to finish the job. The Saudi’s get the added bonus of further isolating Iran and preventing the construction of a major oil pipeline through Syria from Iran (which Assad agreed to right before the “revolution” began). The Guardian has been all over this.

      Not that Assad isn’t a murderous bastard, you understand.

  10. DeniseVB says:

    Here’s my last comment of the night WHITTLE, a little long, but always gratifying, nite’all 😀

  11. helenk3 says:

    lets go bomb Syria, get someone else to pay us for doing so and the bonus, we don’t have to talk about the debt ceiling and the budget

    • leslie says:

      Actually, I was talking to one of the docs yesterday and he suggested that the ONLY reason we are going to strike Syria is economic. He believes that if we are no longer a presence in the ME, our economy is going to tank completely. He posits that the oil prices to the US will bury us if we leave the ME. He surprised me with his thoughts about this. He believes this action is necessary for the economy of the US. He is one of the medical elders in our system and comes from a S.Am. country. He’s been here most of his adult life (he’s in his 70’s) and one of the people I trust to share my beliefs with.

  12. The Klown says:

    Via Legal Insurrection:

    In remarks that could raise tension further before he hosts President Barack Obama and other G20 leaders on Thursday, Putin also said U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry lied to Congress about the militant group al Qaeda’s role in the Syrian conflict.

    “They lie beautifully, of course. I saw debates in Congress. A congressman asks Mr Kerry: ‘Is al Qaeda there?’ He says: ‘No, I am telling you responsibly that it is not’,” Putin said at a meeting of his human rights council in the Kremlin.

    “Al Qaeda units are the main military echelon, and they know this,” he said, referring to the United States. “It was unpleasant and surprising for me – we talk to them, we proceed from the assumption that they are decent people. But he is lying and knows he is lying. It’s sad.”

    I never thought the day would come where I found a Russian dictator more credible than our own Secretary of State.

    It is a sad day indeed.

    • angienc says:

      To be fair — Putin is probably lying too. But given what we *saw* happen in Egypt (embassy attacked) & Libya (4 Americans dead) when Obama decided to help them over throw their dictators (who were at least keeping the Muslim Brotherhood & AlQ in check regardless of how terrible they were), I’d say it isn’t in the US national security interest to go after the Syrian dictator.

      • The Klown says:

        My personal standard of proof for going to war is the same as finding someone guilty in court – beyond a reasonable doubt.

        I have lots of doubts.

    • Constance says:

      Putin may not be telling the truth but for some reason I think he is less evil and has less hidden agenda than Bronco and his Obots. It very well could be true that someone is threatening our economy. We owe so much and our economy is in such bad shape that we are easily exploited.

  13. swanspirit says:

    Never fear , Jon Stewart is still shilling for Obama . He did a whole bit on McCain playing poker on his phone during a long speech, but nothing on Obama playing spades with Reggie Love during the UBL raid when lives were in harms way .

  14. threewickets says:

    According to this Israeli Intel news, hundreds of armed rebels crossed into Syria from a newly established CIA base in Jordan several days before the chemical attack in Damascus. They were led by US commanders, and some of the rebels could be foreign mercenaries like al Qaeda. (Can’t vouch for the site, not familiar with them. But person sharing is credible.)

  15. 49erDweet says:

    In other California news the state continues its assault on politically incorrect firms that won’t play ball with Dhimocrats. I’ve known of Gerawan Farms for several decades, and interacted with them in the late 80’s as they bore the expense of many of their employees upgrading driving skills and licenses to haul commercial loads. Gerawan paid to have classes conducted in Spanish for their candidates, paid their application and licensing fees and paid for extra instruction for a few having a difficult time adjusting. Plus every candidate they presented had a valid “legal presence” status. What’s not to like?

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