Less Than Convincing Evidence Part II

(Allegedly graphic videos)

Jake Tapper:

First on CNN: Videos show glimpse into evidence for Syria intervention

Men sprawled on a tile floor, shirtless and convulsing. Children, too, seemingly unable to control their shaking and flailing. Panic and screams in the background.

These are some of the hard-to-stomach images that the Obama administration has shown a select group of senators in closed-door briefings to make the case that a limited military attack on Syria is justified.

CNN was the first to obtain the 13 different videos seen by members of the Senate Intelligence Committee that depict the gruesome scene of an chemical weapons attack in Syria on August 21. The administration told senators that their authenticity was verified by the intelligence community.

The attack, allegedly carried out by Syrian forces under President Bashar al-Assad, has touched off the most critical foreign policy question since the uprising began in 2011: Is a military response merited?

The videos capture a moment of panic, as those who are standing try to feed water to those who appear incapacitated. Prayers are repeated.

Let me repeat myself:

I find the evidence less than convincing.

First of all I don’t trust the source(s) of the evidence. Secondly, even if the evidence does prove that chemical weapons were used it doesn’t tell us who used them. Thirdly, I do not care.

Let’s start at the beginning. Wikipedia:

Sarin, or GB, is an organophosphorus compound with the formula [(CH3)2CHO]CH3P(O)F. It is a colorless, odorless liquid, used as a chemical weapon owing to its extreme potency as a nerve agent.


Initial symptoms following exposure to sarin are a runny nose, tightness in the chest and constriction of the pupils. Soon after, the victim has difficulty breathing and experiences nausea and drooling. As the victim continues to lose control of bodily functions, the victim vomits, defecates and urinates. This phase is followed by twitching and jerking. Ultimately, the victim becomes comatose and suffocates in a series of convulsive spasms.

Sarin was invented by the Germans during World War II. It is similar in formulation to organophosphorus insecticides like Malathion. (Some of you may recall that in a previous life I was a pest control technician and I am familiar with these type of insecticides.)

Sarin is some nasty shit. Very nasty. The good news is it is unstable and degrades fairly quickly. The bad news is it is highly volatile and can be inhaled, ingested or absorbed through the skin. Full body protection is needed when handling Sarin or treating victims of Sarin exposure.

And that’s the problem.

The evidence does not show the kind of devastation that Sarin would really cause. If Assad is using chemical weapons that’s some pretty weak-ass stuff. I would expect to see whole villages and neighborhoods wiped out – everything and everybody dead, including adults, children, dogs, cats, birds, rats and cockroaches. Anyone not wearing protective gear who entered the contaminated area to do first aid or retrieve bodies would also die. And the bodies would be a mess.

I have seen pictures and videos that look like dead people. Some or all of them may really be dead. But I can’t determine the cause of death from a short, blurry, jerky video in Arabic. Nor can I determine that poisoning occurred from videos of live people receiving some unspecified treatment.

These videos are just the same shit with the Official Obama Classified Seal of Approval.

BTW – If they are classified, who “leaked” them to the media?

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113 Responses to Less Than Convincing Evidence Part II

  1. votermom says:

    What’s with all the exposed abdomens of the victims – seems like only the two kids shown had t-shirts that weren’t pushed up. (Seems a weird thing to notice, I know)

    • The Klown says:

      If you were giving first aid to someone with Sarin exposure besides giving Atropine as an antidote you would remove them from the contaminated area, strip them naked and hose them off thoroughly. Of course you would be wearing full body protection when you did it.

      Bringing all those (alleged) victims into a closed room would spread contamination to rescue personnel and camera operators.

      As I said, real Sarin is some nasty shit.

  2. The Klown says:

    Why don’t they worry about the people who will be killed?

  3. The Klown says:

    At 2:45 you see someone doing CPR wrong.

    At 3:50 there is a kid making a pointing motion that is not a convulsion. It looks to me like a child with cerebral palsy.

    • The Klown says:

      Sarin causes pupils to pinpoint, not dilate.

      • wmcb says:

        Also fishy: Aside from the pupils not being pinpoint, as they would with a Sarin attack, why are they filming closeups of eyeballs?

        Think about it. You are medical personel. People are lying on the floor dying by the hundreds all around you. And you take the time and effort to carefully and specifically go shoot closeups of eyeballs? That’s just not something a normal person would do in response. It is, however, something you’d make sure you put into a planned, staged film that you were going to use as propoganda.

  4. DeniseVB says:

    Not only the rescue people, what about the photographers? Funny how they all seem to survive these attacks with their shaky cameras and all 😀

    • The Klown says:

      If you want to see the real thing, google “victims of sarin gas halabja” and click on images.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Those bodies didn’t seem as “healthy” and “fresh” as the current photos being blasted at us by the administration. Obama’s almost seem like a “drill” in comparison.

        Where are the dead animals ? Hmmmmm.

  5. lyn says:

    What difference does it make? It’s not our war. I do not want our military to be mercenaries or to partner with al-Qaeda. That’s plain wrong.

    • DeniseVB says:

      It’s a civil war with Syrians killing Syrians and we want to kill more Syrians to make them stop? There’s no eminent threat on us despite that idiot Lindsey Graham saying Charleston Harbor could be nuked if we don’t? WTF is that all about?

  6. elliesmom says:

    You know what? Even if these pictures are real, I don’t care. If people on the other side of the earth want to kill each other off using whatever kind of nasty shit they have, as long as the winds won’t bring it here, let them do it as long as they keep the fight at home. When the dust settles, we can see what’s left and deal with it. Now if the Syrians were asking for help, I might feel differently. But it doesn’t appear they are.

  7. DeniseVB says:

    Then there’s this, why isn’t Obama concerned about THIS ?

  8. My husband, the nurse, just watched it, and he’s extremely skeptical. He says people are pink and healthy looking, they aren’t vomiting and don’t have copious amounts of snot, as they should have, and the so-called convulsions aren’t real. He also said the guy administering chest compressions was 100% acting, and not even doing it right.

  9. wmcb says:

    Hubby is a veteran Navy doctor, who extensively trained on every chemical weapon there is, both symptoms and response.

    He says the video is bullshit, especially if the Obama admin is claiming Sarin. You would not have victims laying around a closed space on the floor, being touched with bare hands, etc. The docs and cameramen, etc would be all falling down exposed as well, within minutes.

  10. lyn says:

    In the end, it always is about Obama: http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/

    • lyn says:

      The last paragraph: “The vote on Syria will be a vote of confidence in President Obama’s leadership, and it will be seen around the world as a crucial test of his standing and power as President of the United States. There are good reasons to vote against what appears to be a classic example of inept military action in Syria, but to think that this vote won’t have serious consequences for President Obama’s ability to conduct the nation’s business is to stick your head in the sand.”

      • The Klown says:

        It’s all about the O

      • wmcb says:

        Anyone making that argument can kiss my ass. None of them were all concerned with thousands of people (myself included) resisting and disapproving and carrying bloody signs of Killer War Criminal GWB during the middle of a war we were already committed to and engaged in. None of these assholes thought it was “damaging to the very office of the presidency” to have Congressmen harshly castigating the president on the floor of the chamber, or in front of news cameras, constantly.

        Fucking hypocrites. If our country survived concerted opposition to a war while our troops were already in the field, then it will survive opposition to Obama starting one.

        Their sudden “concern” for presenting a united front to the world for the sake of the effectiveness and credibility of the office, not the man, Is false and hollow and utter bullshit.

  11. elliesmom says:

    Because we all need a chuckle – From the Irish Magpie on FB

    “After a heavy rainstorm filled all the potholes in the road, a young mother watched her 2 little boys playing in the puddles thru her kitchen window. The older of the 2, five year old Paddy, grabbed his sibling Joe, by the back of his head and shoved his face into one of the potholes filled with rain water. As the boy recovered & stood laughing & dripping, the mother ran towards them in a panic.
    ‘Why on earth did you do that to ur little brother?’ she said, as she shook Paddy’s shoulder in anger.
    ‘Aye we were just playing church mammy,’ he said.’And I was jus baptizin him, In the name of the father, the son, and in the hole he goes'”

  12. elliesmom says:

    I think the Confluence has confluted, I did my once a month drive-by, and all of the windows are shuttered and the door is locked, but there’s no good-by note on it. With ABG blocked from TalkLeft, I’m going to have to find another outlet for my mean girl side.

    • lyn says:

      If Obama wants to save face, he should resign.

      • leslie says:

        He doesn’t want to save face. He wants to avoid the questions about everything else that is wrong within his administation. Fast/Furious, Benghazi, NSA syping, Snowden, IRS scandals, etc, etc, etc.

  13. wmcb says:

    Great piece on Syria. We are arming the mujahideen if we get involved – even IF they are not the majority of the rebels.

    Are there secular democrats in Syria? Of course there are. Just as in Egypt and elsewhere in the Middle East, however, they are severely undermanned. The contention that there is a strong alternative force within the opposition — rebel factions that oppose Assad, and that not only oppose the Qaeda/Brotherhood factions but are capable of winning without them and then running the country despite them — is a pipedream.


  14. The Klown says:
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  16. helenk3 says:


    here is a question that many people have not thought about if we attack syria who is going to buy our debt if china and Russia and the rest of the world turn on us?

  17. foxyladi14 says:

    Maybe that is part of his plan. 😡

  18. wmcb says:

    OT, but this made me laugh, in a sad-because-its-true way. So glad my children are grown.

  19. helenk3 says:


    three Russian warships approaching Syria. that will make a total of 6. China is sending one

  20. helenk3 says:


    this is interesting. more than 2/3rds of the French people oppose going to war with Syria

  21. helenk3 says:


    now this is one scary thought

    syria strike may hinge on (you have to pass it before you know what is in it) nancy pelosi

  22. wmcb says:

    Back in January, the UK’s Daily Mail published a story claiming it had leaked emails showing a US led plot to have the rebels use chemical weapons and blame it on Assad’s forces, in order to drum up support for the US to intervene. Making a video of the aftermath of this “attack” to bolster the lie was also mentioned.

    The response was immediate. The Mail was sued for libel, and the story was taken down after less than 24 hours.

    Here is what happened: http://patdollard.com/2013/09/flashback-january-uks-daily-mail-publishes-story-saying-obama-plans-to-launch-chemical-attack-on-syrian-civilians-blame-assad/

    Here is the cache of the original article: http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html

    • 1539days says:

      Technically, the source is infowars, Alex Jones’ site.

      Still, I’m not going to accept or deny any information based entirely on its origin.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Like we can trust our own corporate media sources ? I’m paying more attention to Pam Geller (Atlas Shrugs) these days, she really hasn’t been wrong despite her being constantly trashed and banned all over the place.

        • The Klown says:

          Alex Jones’ Infowars is a very dubious source. It’s one of the few sites I have blocked links to.

          If that’s the only source for a story it’s probably bogus.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Hey, but we got Cher !

        • wmcb says:

          Sorry, I didn’t realize it was them. However, the original story WAS in the Mail, and IS now gone down the memory hole. That much I know, regardless of InfoWars take on it.

  23. wmcb says:

  24. helenk3 says:


    well isn’t this just peachy

    WH chief of staff….US has NO military allies on Syria attack

  25. Those “dead” bodies were too clean.
    Raiders eke out a loss.

    • DeniseVB says:

      After myiq posted this I went on a search for ” chemical warfare drill” photos/videos and those “actors” seemed more messed up, some even had the twitching down. One even hired Hollywood makeup artists to apply blood and prosethics to imply bloating and shrapnel from a gas bomb exploding.

      First responders were always in hazemat type of outfits too. Not one of them showed a squeaky clean tile floor like in the CNN video, they were mostly outside though.

      Now the question is why is our government shoving “propaganda” down our throats and screaming for a war? I don’t get it 😦

      • 49erDweet says:

        Yes, you do. It’s just too disgusting to publicly admit. We got an idiot bent on doing harm to his mom’s homeys in order to gain approval from his dad’s. As if!

  26. The Klown says:
  27. The Klown says:

    Who said it?

    As commander in chief, Obama knows that if he doesn’t punish Bashar al-Assad, America and his presidency will be forever reduced. He thinks a limited strike — not a war, as some are calling it — is the right thing to do.

  28. Obama confuses limited strikes with lucky strikes. Pearl Harbor was a limited strike.

  29. lyn says:

    Can’t wait to see the last episode.

  30. helenk3 says:

    I am watching Atlas Shrugged. read the book years ago. sounds like the obots took their lines from this book.
    every college student should be required to read it.
    I learned a lot about life and people from Taylor Caldwell and Ayn Rand

  31. votermom says:

    OT PA man pays his school tax in dollar bills $7341.40

  32. The Klown says:

    Right now I am a Packers fan.

  33. The Klown says:
    • DandyTIger says:

      Turns out, everyone is a racist.

      • 49erDweet says:

        I’ve watched NFL football on TV since they began. This is the first year I really noticed the studio analysts races, usually black or white. So was I a racist before I noticed or am I one now? I still watch the game and only see players, but the commentators now are an identifiable race. This bugs me.

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