It’s all about the O

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Obama’s Red Line

 


Pathetico:

President Obama’s last best hope

With remarkably little to show for a week of intensive lobbying, the last bit of leverage that Democrats expect the White House to use is this: Barack Obama’s presidency depends on it.

This isn’t what Americans will hear when Obama addresses the nation Tuesday night. Publicly, the argument is all about the evidence that the Syrian government used chemical weapons and the ramifications if the United States doesn’t retaliate. Senior White House officials are loath to make it a referendum on Obama, saying they remain confident that he can win by sticking to the merits of the case.

“Politics is somebody else’s concern,” White House chief of staff Denis McDonough said on “Fox News Sunday.” “The president is not interested in the politics of this. The president is interested in making sure that our national security is protected. That’s the question, first and foremost, for us.”

Proof and peril of the chemical weapons attack haven’t convinced Congress — at least not yet — and the politics point to defeat. So Obama’s last best hope is to convince conflicted Democrats, even if it’s just implicit in private conversations, that they can’t be the ones who cripple his presidency and his ability to deliver the party’s priorities, according to Democrats on Capitol Hill and close to the White House.


If there is a more specious argument for going to war in Syria, I cannot think of what it is. It is an appeal to the Obama’s cult of personality. It’s not only wrong-headed, it’s just plain wrong.

If all I really cared about was seeing Obama fail I would be praying for him to attack Syria. I think some Republicans are actually hoping he will make the same mistake that LBJ made with Vietnam and start an unpopular war. Obama is crewed either way but he would be better off losing the vote in Congress and moving on to other things. That won’t hurt him as much as starting a war will to his approval ratings.

He should have thought about the consequences before he painted himself into a corner. I am amazed at the efforts of his sycophantic followers to spin this moldy straw into gold. This whole mess is a self-inflicted foot-thrust.

I am adamantly opposed to getting involved militarily in Syria, and that includes providing any kind of aid to the rebels. It is a bad idea, period.

I do not believe the evidence proves Assad used poison gas. Even if it did, I don’t think it justifies our involvement. I do not believe that our involvement will improve the situation in Syria and most likely will make it worse. I think Assad may be the lesser of two evils.

Lobbing a few cruise missiles is worse than doing nothing. Lobbing a bunch of them may tilt the war in the rebels’ favor. But the rebels include al-Qaeda! WTF?

In some respects I agree with Senator McCain – if we were to go to war in Syria we should invade, occupy the place and stay there until a stable and relatively friendly government is in place. But not only is there no justification for us to do that it would be an expensive and long-term mess we don’t need and there is no guarantee it would be successful. If we were to do that we would need the solid support of a large coalition of allies – preferably the United Nations.

We’re basically all alone on this, and for good reason.

Obama is actually making George W. Bush’s misadventure in Iraq look really good by comparison. That alone should be a red flag. And like Iraq, if we go in we’ll get shot at from both sides. It would be a quick war and a long occupation.

I understand the humanitarian concerns that some people have for the plight of innocent civilians. But some problems don’t have solutions. More importantly, I don’t believe that Barack Obama is motivated by humanitarian concerns. I believe that chemical weapons are just a pretext for war based on dubious ulterior motives.

No blood for O!


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95 Responses to It’s all about the O

  1. driguana says:

    Feels like it’s going to be a long week…and Wednesday is Sept 11th!!!
    What could possibly go wrong?

  2. The Klown says:

    American Thinker:

    The sheer ineptitude of President Obama’s handling of his Syria red line has made jaws drop all across the political spectrum. The man who garnered so much admiration for his oratorical brilliance, personal charm, and political genius has managed to make matters worse with every step he has taken. This dramatic and historic collapse demands explanation.

    It must be acknowledged from the start that Obama might now be the victim of unrealistic expectations stoked by his media allies, who once called him a “lightworker” and “almost a god.” But then again, when you promise to stem the rise of the oceans, you are auto-inflating a myth that cannot be sustained. He is thus both the victim and perpetrator of unrealistic expectations.

    But to be frank, unrealistic expectations have nothing to do with his Syrian predicament. His behavior has been well below minimal expectations of a president. With Russian warships assembling off Syria, his apparently off-the-cuff ultimatum is proving to be a historic blunder, not a matter of failing to be a superman.

    That’s another reason to oppose war in Syria – Obama is an incompetent commander in chief.

    • fif says:

      “oratorical brilliance, personal charm, and political genius”

      Nope, nope, nope. I never saw any of these things.

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  4. votermom says:

    Muslim rebels invade 6 towns in southern Philippines and take hostages (unclear number 87 to 200). At least 6 killed.

    http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/484163/muslim-rebels-locked-in-standoff-with-army

    ZAMBOANGA, Philippines – Government troops were locked in a standoff with hundreds of Moro National Liberation Front guerrillas who killed six people and took civilians as hostages in Zamboanga City on Monday in a bid to derail peace talks.
    Armored troops surrounded the southern port of the city after between 200 and 300 Moro National Liberation Front gunmen entered six coastal villages on its outskirts before dawn, military spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Ramon Zagala said.
    The number of people held hostage was unclear. Police reported that 20 individuals were seized and used as human shields by the MNLF fighters as they barged into Sta. Catalina village, but the military said at least 300 persons were taken as hostages by the guerrillas in three villages.

    I sure hope Obama doesn’t hear about it – he’s likely to give teh rebels air support

  5. The Klown says:

    New hashtag: #NoBloodForO,

  6. The Klown says:

    We will be treated to a speech from Hillary on Syria today – delivered from the White House!

    Goody goody gumdrops!

    • DeniseVB says:

      Is she measuring for drapes ? What’s she doing at the White House, thought the tours were still closed ? Oh well, probably making a deal with the devil himself “Hey sweetie, do this one little thing for me and I’ll owe you bunches for 2016 !” Meh.

      • votermom says:

        Holy crap, what a dumb thing to do. She’s been smart so far to stay out of town – I wonder what kind of deal she got to do this.

        • DeniseVB says:

          I can’t figure out in what capacity she is speaking for this administration. Certainly not as a friend of the family …. or the people.

        • jeffhas says:

          Seems to me if Obama goes down in flames and das people have Obama fatigue, it will be like Bush, and any Repub could win.

          She’s protecting her future… with sacrifice of course.

          … or maybe everyone is just in on the same pipeline deal..?

    • Constance says:

      I’ve had it with Hillary. How stupid and insulated are these people? They really think Hillary will bring a significant group of people to Bronco’s side? Actually they are screwing any chance she has to be President and I think her chances died back in 2008 when Bronco and her party screwed her. I also wonder what the real motives behind this war are. Who is pulling Bronco’s strings.

    • wmcb says:

      Despite her many good qualities, Hillary has proven in no uncertain terms that the Democratic Party, and the power thereof, means more to her than anything in this world. Including the country. She will do anything, and I mean anything, to protect the Democratic Party.

      I’m sure she likely has ways of justifying that to herself, of believing that harm to the party IS harm to the country. She’s wrong. Badly so. Maybe it’s just too difficult/painful to believe that the party she has devoted her life to is a sham. Maybe she thinks if she hangs in there, she can reform it. Or maybe she’s been a lying political animal all along. No idea. But Benghazi proved beyond any doubt that the Party, not this country, is her lodestone. She has no business being president. Ever. Not after that. Her judgement is fatally flawed where the Party vs country is concerned.

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    Yeah, that’ll work.

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    I’m gonna go steal my neighbor’s newspaper so I can read the sports page and then I’m gonna take a nap.

    C U L8er

  14. DeniseVB says:

    Flashback: Hillary blamed Bush for Benghazi.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/01/30/On-Fox-News-Clinton-Blames-Bush-For-Lack-of-Funds-To-Secure-Benghazi

    She’ll probably blame Bush for Assad too despite the O-Team was sucking up to him for the past 2 years.

    I know there’s some Hillary fans still here, but if she continues to carry President Stupid’s water, I will use every fiber of my body to keep her out of 2016.

    • lyn says:

      You are sweet! I would have voted for her, but I wouldn’t now. She picked up too many fleas from Obama. She needed to do a Sarah Palin and resign after Benghazi and before the election. I respect those who quit because of their principles.

  15. The Klown says:

    Roger Simon:

    And Obama is genuinely blind in the deepest sense because he doesn’t really know who he is or what he stands for. That’s why he vacillates all the time. I realize many on the right feel, with some justification, that Obama is some kind of neo-socialist, anti-colonialist out of Frank Marshall Davis via Saul Alinsky, but I don’t even think he’s that. Or not only that. If Obama is Trotsky lite, it’s very lite indeed, a kind of uncommitted Trotsky that Stalin wouldn’t have bothered to assassinate. He’s not a particularly successful socialist, judging by his record, or even a particularly good crony capitalist (though a bit better at that).

    What he is is confused, one day decrying American exceptionalism, the next day invoking it, a nowhere man, weak and ineffectual, the very worst type of person to lead in wartime, certain not to inspire even for a second.

    Worse still, he has proven to us through Benghazi that he has no moral core. He was willing to lie, and have his minions lie continually, to the American people about what happened in that city on September 11, 2012, and he hasn’t even begun to correct the record.

    A man without a moral core cannot be trusted for a second to lead in wartime because he is constantly confronted with moral and tactical decisions.

  16. votermom says:

    Usually when he needs to raise his polls he just points at some other person as the designated Hate Object and all his followers rally: he did this to Hillary, Palin, Mitt, even Zimmerman.
    He must be completely flummoxed as to why it’s not working on Assad.

    • DeniseVB says:

      As someone labeled Obama’s War on twitter: Operation Petulant Pussy. Makes me giggle everytime I think about it because it’s so spot on.

  17. DeniseVB says:

    Good graphic over at WaPo where House/Senate stand on Syria. I hope they’re doing their homework, listening to their constituents and putting OUR country before their g.d. party.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/where-lawmakers-stand-on-syria/

    • Constance says:

      I heard some MSNBC talking heads with very foreign accents saying how it was unthinkable that Democrats in Congress would even consider not supporting the leader of their party and how outrageous it was that some were listening to the people they represent.

      • Somebody says:

        Outrageous that some are listening to the people they represent in a representative government?

        Are you sure you weren’t watching some old SNL skit Constance?

        • Constance says:

          Nope! It was yesterday morning and (It was really disorienting as I hadn’t had my coffee yet) the two men didn’t seem to “get” our form of government and were talking about how the party got Congress members elected and therefore total loyalty should be shown to the party leader when he makes the hard decision to do what is right but unpopular by attacking Syria. As I said these guys were talking with very heavy accents and considering them selves to be speaking as Americans or for Americans good.

  18. votermom says:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/08/syria-tomahawk-missiles-chemical-weapons/2770949/

    “Degrade” is not a military textbook term, the four officers and officials said. In other words, it is open to interpretation.

    A second senior official, who has seen the most recent planning, offered this metaphor to describe such a strike: If Assad is eating Cheerios, we’re going to take away his spoon and give him a fork. Will that degrade his ability to eat Cheerios? Yes. Will it deter him? Maybe. But he’ll still be able to eat Cheerios.

    The two officers with current and recent service in the Middle East say the term “degrade” is so vague that it could be used to describe the effect of a single cruise missile strike.

    Yeah, but if Assad eats oatmeal, then he’s really screwed! *InsertDrEvilLaughhere*

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    So clicking through the news channels this morning MSNBC and CNN have their earnest, liberal, “I’m talking at you inferior people” faces on and their faith in The Party and Glorious Leader” and affectations on in spades. This is going to kill what audience they still have left. If people had the OPTION of cable TV a la carte these channels would disappear in a month.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Thank you for watching so I don’t have too 😀 Why is the media so complicit in destroying America? That makes me saddest of all. Does the results of President Bunnypants not affect them too?

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    I’m in twitmo (twitter took my spoon!) but this is funny

  25. The Klown says:

    Mediaite:

    It was not long ago when United Nations Ambassador Samantha Power could do no wrong in the eyes of the internationalist left. Leaving aside the intolerable sin of having called Hillary Clinton a “monster” during the 2008 Democratic presidential primaries – a transgression for which she spent some months repenting — the lettered internationalist has finally secured her dream job: guiding American foreign affairs as President Barack Obama’s chief diplomat in the United Nations. But Power’s journey is a tragic one. Her story has become a parable, teaching a whole new generation to be careful what they wish for.

    Today, the internationalist scholar and famous champion for the supremacy of multilateral institutions is learning that the challenges of governing appear far less complex when filtered through the narrow windows adorning Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. Not long ago, Power championed humanitarian interventionism as a means of curtailing bloodshed and preventing genocides. She advocated for broad consensus building via international institutions and fretted that America’s unilateral actions in Iraq undermined the mission’s purpose. Today, opposed by the recalcitrant voices in Beijing and Moscow in the U.N., Power is pushing her own morally questionable and legally ambiguous war. In the process, she is learning about the intellectual limitations of “smart power.”

    There is no substitute for experience.

  26. The Klown says:

    Susan Rice is beating the war drum today.

  27. The Klown says:

    I was gonna do a live blog of Hillary’s speech then I decided fuck it.

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