Obama said WHAT??

Charles C.W. Cooke at National Review Online:

During his speech today, the president said something rather strange. “If a worker shut down a manufacturing plant until they got what they wanted, they’d be fired,” Obama shouted.

I think my head just asploded. Did Obama’s speechwriters get furloughed?

Either Obama has evolved on unions or we can expect another edition of W.O.R.M (What Obama Really Meant) this afternoon.


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106 Responses to Obama said WHAT??

  1. The Klown says:

    I think this is proof that Obama says whatever sounds good at that moment without thinking about the implications.

    Mouth open, brain disengaged.

    • swanspirit says:

      Of course it is , and the other reason he sticks to teleprompters , beside not being able to remember a speech . He is a fucking idiot .

      • insanelysane says:

        Doncha remember the infamous “just words” rebuttal speech Obama gave after he stole some speeches and then tried to use that to turn the tables…but it was always JUST WORDS to this Chance Gardener of a President.

        He is a user and a liar.

    • t says:

      And the very very balanced media says nothing. I am no fan of Bush, but imagine all the “breaking news” flags if Bush had said the same thing.

    • This seemed fitting:

  2. The Klown says:


    Imagine a movement so selfish that it would sabotage the operations of a venture on which vast numbers of people depend simply to gain leverage for its own agenda. Then imagine that that movement grew in numbers to the point where it could elect its own bought-and-paid-for politicians to do its bidding. Who knows how much havoc it could wreak? When you think about it, Democrats are right: It really is a sort of terrorism.

    Am I awake?

  3. The Klown says:


    The interview was heated from the start, with Roberts claiming Obamacare has a ”mandate by the people reelecting the president and both houses of Congress,” leading Priebus to accuse Roberts of using “talking points.”

    “They’re not talking points,” Roberts exclaimed, referring to a speech Obama gave in Maryland moments before the exchange. “That’s directly from what the president just gave a speech on.”

    I guess Roberts was making a distinction between what the president says in his speeches and the WH talking points MSNBC receives via email from the WH speechwriters.

  4. They are just words. They mean nothing until the PTB want them to mean something, and then they only mean exactly what PTBs want them to mean for the moment. Otherwise, they are like grains of sand. Comforting, perhaps, on a warm beach but capable of becoming devilishly irritating on the Sahara.

  5. The Klown says:

    John McAfee (antivirus guru) on Obamacare:

    Oh, it’s seriously bad. Somebody made a grave error, not in designing the program but in simply implementing the web aspect of it. For example, anybody can put up a web page and claim to be a broker for this system. There is no central place where I can go and say, OK, here are all the legitimate brokers, the examiners for all of the states, and pick and choose one. Instead, any hacker can put a website up, make it look extremely competitive, and because of the nature of the system — this is health care, after all — they can ask you the most intimate questions, and you’re freely going to answer them. What’s my Social Security number? My birth date? … Here’s the problem. It’s not something software can solve. I mean, what idiot put this system out there and did not create a central depository? There should be one website, run by the government, you go to that website and then you can click on all of the agencies. This is insane. So, I will predict that the loss of income for the millions of Americans who are going to lose their identities — I mean, you can imagine some retired lady in Utah, who’s $75,000 dollars in the bank, saving her whole life — having it wiped out one day because she signed up for ObamaCare. And believe me, this is going to happen millions of times. This is a hacker’s wet dream. I cannot believe that they did this. … ObamaCare itself is the loosest of all. You can imagine the type of information: Medical records, personal issues, psychological issues. I mean, the government’s going to know everything in the world about everyone very soon.

  6. swanspirit says:

    I think he is going to have some difficulty W.O.R.M. ing his way out of this one.

  7. wmcb says:

    I want a moderately sized, efficient, constrained govt. And the cluelessness of GOP on how to get there makes me nuts. You don’t START negotiating with what you actually want. Too many tweets to copy, so just have a look at this whole reply thread:

  8. The Klown says:
  9. The Klown says:

    Turn on your TV sets:

    • DeniseVB says:

      Fox reporting several people injured.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Including Capitol police officer. “Shelter in place” order given.

    • Lulu says:

      Yeah well. I drove to a little town nearby this morning and drove by the entrance to one of the national forests. A wooden fold out sign was sitting across the main entrance road re closed. It was shot to hell. It was hanging in pieces. I never saw anything that destroyed by big holes. This is in the middle of nowhere however.

  10. DeniseVB says:

    Huh? Better let the 24 hour rule apply here, all kinds of whacky info out there right now.

  11. wmcb says:

    As the days go by, I get bolder and bolder on facebook, and care less and less what my many leftie friends think about anything. And they get quieter and quieter.

    You know why? Because they are really shocked that someone dares to actually argue with them. Not retreat to “Yay team R” (which they can just dismiss) but actually stand up and point out the ridiculousness of their positions, and their slimy smearing as dumb/racist/hater of all who disagree.

    They are accustomed to being able to put on the moral superiority and pronounce “Well of course all caring and right-thinking people favor X.” and have most folks just tamp down lest they be thought an uncaring racist. And they get befuddled when you won’t.

    I don’t mind anyone arguing policy with me. At all. But I am sick to death of “if you disagree you are a bad person who hates the poor puppies” And I am calling it out now. EVERY time.

  12. Lulu says:

    The film of the black Lexus looks like a very messed up person or someone who doesn’t know where they are going, freaked the hell out, tried to race off and run over a bunch of cops. She is apparently dead because she would not stop but her small child in the back seat is ok. Sad.

  13. wmcb says:

    • Somebody says:

      How utterly stupid!

    • I’d be wearing that uniform seven days a week and parking my squad in front of the school to write up on my reports and catch up my log.

    • Sandress says:

      Wow. I mean, I get that Sometimes the people who are interested in law enforcement are not nice people. I get that people have had bad experiences with cops, and that people worry about their kids’ safety at school and seeing a cop makes them think that something horrible might have happened. But FEELING BAD FEELINGS is an insufficiently good reason to ask people not to do their jobs (see motherfucking conscience clauses- if you can’t do your job, consider getting a new one where your mental health hang-ups and moral hand-wringing aren’t fucking with other people’s healthcare). If anything this says to me that we need to have MORE cops out and about in communities, more of a visible police presence. And we need to teach people that its okay to be sensitive, but not okay to assume that anyone else needs to cater to your sensitivities unless its an actual fucking civil rights issue.

      • The Klown says:

        What I find amusing is the compartmentalization necessary to simultaneously favor big government and hate cops.

        • Sandress says:

          Yeah. I think if Firemen gave out speeding tickets those mustaches they favor would start seeming very sinister indeed…

  14. foxyladi14 says:

    Waiting for the full story. ;(

  15. wmcb says:

  16. lyn says:

    OR Sen. Ron Wyden tweeted that the House has enough votes to reopen the government.

  17. wmcb says:

  18. t says:

    I think you should front page this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AyJDZ4vVhw

  19. wmcb says:

    Woohoo! Affordable healthcare for all! Not. On this plan, your average person would never even meet the deductible.

    • t says:

      Wait until he sees the provider network….

      • wmcb says:

        And the premium he’ll be paying for this lack of coverage.

        • SHV says:

          It’s junk insurance. The part that I can’t find an answer for is the max/year out of pocket cost, the cost for going out of network and is there a prohibition for “balance billing”. There has to be a catch with the max out of pocket; the insurance companies can’t eat the cost of even an uncomplicated hospitalization with a max of $6,350. Something stinks.

        • t says:

          SHV: The prohibition on balance billing depends on your state and whether or not the provider is in-network or out-of-network. Out of network providers are typically allowed to balance bill. In-network providers aren’t allowed to balance bill.

          The out of pocket max is typically real. But that’s for in-network providers. Remember, that the insurance co probably only allows a small portion of what the insurance companies charge, sometimes only 25%. And insurance companies are counting on big premiums and relatively few high payouts.

          The out of pocket max if you see out of network providers is very high, sometimes unlimited. And the provider networks for these plans are especially small, so if you want good care, you may find yourself going to an out of network provider.

        • t says:

          the insurance co probably only allows a small portion of what the ***providers charge

    • I saw my doctor a couple of weeks ago and he went on a mini-rant about this bullshit. What set him off was when I told him my insurance would be cancelled effective January 1, 2014, and I couldn’t afford what was on the exchanges. That was after I told him Obamacare already cost me my job, wherein I was woefully underemployed.

  20. wmcb says:

    I don’t always agree with Denninger, but he’s dead on here:


    • Lizzy says:

      Very interesting article. I liked his comment that failure to pay our debt, interest on bonds notes etc. is an impeachable offense and both Lew and Obama should be notified that if they fail to follow the constitution they will be impeached. Tough talk.

      • Sandress says:

        It’s an interesting point given that the logical outcome of Obamacare and the previous removal of consumer bankruptcy options is likely to mean a return of debtor’s prisons.

  21. Turns out dead Lexus mama is neighbor of my SILs friend in CT. Media in friends yard are now filming men in black swarming over her home. Small world.

    • Somebody says:

      It sure can be a small world sometimes. So does SIL’s friend actually know Lexus mama? If so, did she really have mental issues? Has she been sort of unhinged before?

      I am so, so thankful her small child wasn’t injured. I hope she has a father that wants her or some other loving family member.

    • wmcb says:

      It’s very sad. I see a lot of ppl down on the Capitol Police for being quick to shoot, but I really don’t have a prob with that. They had no way of knowing what this woman was up to at the time.

      As much as I despise the man in the WH, if you lose your shit and go crashing into barriers and all craycray there, I fully support erring on the side of security caution.

      You DO NOT present anything that even looks like a threat to the President or Congress of the United States of America without risking being taken down hard. I think that’s good, even if it was tragic after the fact here.

      • I’m sorta with you, but if this had happened in some state capitol the press would be all over the cops tonight, and we all know it.

        • wmcb says:

          Yes, I know. And anywhere else, I myself would probably have more problem with it. But protecting the POTUS and the halls of Congress is a big big deal to me. I tend to allow more leeway to be hardline there.

          *shrug* Call me inconsistent, but that’s how I feel and think.

        • No, it’s understandable. The irony is in the cop world at one time the Capitol Police were considered low level dingbats by actual working officers with functioning ethical standards, but that’s probably changed some.

  22. SHV says:

    “The out of pocket max if you see out of network providers is very high, sometimes unlimited. ”
    That’s where they will get you; limited network. Six years ago, I got into the out of network catch 22. The insurance company had the surgeon in network but then hospital where he operated was not in net work. Balance billing + uncovered hospital charges cost me $50k out of pocket and this was not cheap insurance.

    After going on Medicare, I breathed a sigh of relief. Just got out of hospital after a similar surgery and same length of stay; will be interesting what my cost will be on Medicare.

  23. wmcb says:

    Aaaand here’s another. They are all over.

  24. Lulu says:

    I am waiting for the analysis of increased costs to 85% of the population to to cover the other 15%. This doesn’t ever take into account for the decrease in quality and accessibility for people who ARE insured. Most of the described policies which are being hyped on the exchanges would not meet the minimum standards of state insurance boards and not be allowed to be sold. It is simply a massive transfer of wealth under the fraudulent claim of insuring the poor. It would have been much more cost effective to buy existing insurance for the uninsured.

    • wmcb says:

      Yep. Just some straight subsidies and some high risk pools for those with pre-existing conditions, as inadequate as that would be, would STILL have solved more problems at less cost than this clusterfuck.

      It’s pretty bad when even a healthcare bandaid would have helped more people than this shit.

    • Somebody says:

      Yes it would have and something seems pretty rotten about that. Especially when you consider before all this started there were supposedly about 45-47 million people without insurance. If you remember many claimed that somewhere between 15 and 30 million of those were actually eligible for Medicaid.

      Flash forward to now, the way this law is working out there are still going to be about 30 million people uninsured. So WTF? Look at how premiums have skyrocketed to cover a third of the people that were uncovered.

      Along those lines where are the savings? Remember we all pay more for medical care to cover the cost of the uninsured…….abracadabra pass Obamacare and medical costs go down because everyone is covered.

      It absolutely would have been cheaper to buy a private policy for the uninsured or to raise the income limit for Medicaid and raise the payroll tax a little bit to compensate for increased Medicaid rolls.

      The stories I’m hearing from people looking for coverage on the exchanges is horrible. Why would you pay that much for crap coverage? You’d be far better off to pay the penalty.

      • Lulu says:

        All of the details were hidden from the public. Only false happy talk was allowed. Any horrible outcomes where quickly beaten back. It is more apparent everyday why Pelosi said you have to pass it to know what is in it. The exchanges sound like you have to sign up to know what your premium will be. Then they have your name, address, id info to hunt you down if you don’t buy their shit insurance.

  25. SHV says:

    “I am waiting for the analysis of increased costs to 85% of the population to to cover the other 15%”
    That’s basically what’s happening with Medicare; at over 65 years, a already expensive population. 75% of spending goes for people with five or more chronic diseases; IIRC, about 15% of the Medicare population.

  26. 1539days says:

    Obamacare is based on a bad deal made by the Democrats with the insurance companies. They sought to eliminate a few special circumstances. Insurance companies had to cover people with preexisting conditions and eventually eliminates lifetime coverage caps.

    Those things caused pain for a lot of people, but it represents a small sample of the insurance using public at large. The insurance companies know this, so they worked out some high-value deals in exchange (no pun intended). They were all too happy to write policies for easy to insure young people because it meant a low cost-benefit ratio. They also have no specific caps on what they can charge for an insurance plan.

    The “marketplace” is a perversion of the concept of a market. Do you go to a market where there are 2-3 choices of milk with the understanding you MUST buy one of them? Despite what Mitt Romney said during his campaign, Romneycare’s individual mandate isn’t going gangbusters in Massachusetts either. If his plan is so great, why is there even a MA page for ACA?

    • wmcb says:

      Insurance as a model works really really well for things that are high cost, but very unlikely to happen. Car wrecks. Fires. Major hospitalizations. It’s a sound approach to financing the not-so-common event.

      It SUCKS ASS as a payment plan for routine daily needs. Which is why smart people never buy those overpriced “extended maintenance plans” from shyster used car salesmen. Because you end up paying $150 a pop for oil changes. The model is all wrong for that kind of thing.

      • 1539days says:

        I believe the term “gas insurance” comes up a lot in those debates. When government gave no-strings health care (unlimited insurance to some people) out, it took the low supply of doctors and gave them a huge demand for their service. Either we need more doctors willing to work for less or patients with a lot less money to pay doctor’s bills.

        • wmcb says:

          This is why I favor some sort of cash system (even if govt subsidized via HSA’s or whatever) for routine care. You get costs down by there being a direct relationship between consumer and supplier.

          Because I can tell you for a FACT that my husband and I could make a profitable living seeing patients for $50 to $75 a pop IF we had zero middlemen to channel payments through or pile on paperwork and compliance costs – whether that be govt or insurance company.

          A big part of what is driving ppl out of Primary care is not just “low”pay, but the ENORMOUS hassles and oversight and headache you have to put up with to make that pay. It’s not worth making your work life miserable over.

        • Sandress says:

          wmcb, that’s why single-payer works, too, and why I advocate for it. There’s way less paperwork because there’s no real motivation to refuse to pay for care and there’s just simple, standard paperwork. No middlemen, way less bureaucracy, no out of network bullshit unless you leave the country for your healthcare, and even then its sometimes covered… Canada’s system isn’t perfect, it doesn’t go far enough to cover prescription costs, for instance, and it doesn’t do nearly enough to maintain enough doctors in the system to ensure care for all and reasonable workloads. But it’s a damned sight better than this private insurance linked to employment shit.

        • 1539days says:

          To continue the car analogy, citing single payer as a solution is like claiming battery powered cars are clean because the dirty coal used to charge the batteries is somewhere else. Canada has income taxes and a separate VAT to cover the cost of Health Canada. The costs are being shifted.

          It is true that the overall cost to coverage ration is lower in Canada and other countries, but a lot of that has to do with the legal system. Malpractice insurance in the US requires doctors to not fight claims if a settlement is cheaper and to perform CYA medicine to have legal cover.

          Steven Crowder, a Canadian conservative who came to the US, has made a few YouTube videos about the complicated medical system in Canada. Doctor shortages mean that finding a PCP is almost impossible in some places and chronic conditions often have long wait times for eventual treatment.

          I’m not going to say that one country’s system is better than another, but I am still firmly a capitalist on giving people a free market choice for health care.

  27. SHV says:

    “Insurance as a model works really really well for things that are high cost, but very unlikely to happen. Car wrecks. Fires. Major hospitalizations. It’s a sound approach to financing the not-so-common event.

    It SUCKS ASS as a payment plan for routine daily needs. ”
    That is the bottom line; the insurance model no longer will work. Back in the ’60s, when Medicare was being debated, the argument was healthcare,”Right vs Privilege” and the elderly were the lowest financial demographic. At that time the life expectancy was 62 and serious illness such as congestive heart failure, metastatic cancer, etc. ended life and expense pretty quickly. Different story now, people who would have died in less than a year are living for decades; at a cost. We can no longer afford 25+% overhead for “insurance” to deliver routine health care and there isn’t enough money in the GDP to pay for open ended medical care. Obamacare is just delaying the inevitable and has poisoned the environment for the hard choices that will eventually have to be made. In the mean time, the healthcare industry will get an added $2.6 trillion in new cash flow over the next decade.

    • lildoggy4u says:

      ” In the mean time, the healthcare industry will get an added $2.6 trillion in new cash flow over the next decade.”
      I think you mean the HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY will get an added 2.6 trillion. I kept hearing that from Bob Scheifer on CBS – the Republicans are against healthcare. Big difference but it helps the talking points.

      • Lulu says:

        Yep. Wealth transfer to health insurers and their VENDORS who are all connected to Democrats. Lots of money to be made by “facilitators”, IT, ad agencies, lobbyists, healthy record companies, big pharma, pharma retailers, etc. A who’s who of graft. It will be like the defense industry. Everybody gets a cut and it is mandated so no one has to hit a lick at a snake but just count the money while the IRS enforces it. It is supposed to be the Dem’s golden goose.

    • Sandress says:

      It Remains a Right versus Privilege argument. We CAN afford healthcare for all, we just can’t afford health INSURANCE for all. There’s a big difference, and it’s profitability.

      • wmcb says:

        Healthcare is not a right. You want to know why? Because someone has to provide that service. And no one has a RIGHT to my labor. That makes me a slave.

        Healthcare is a good and compassionate thing for a society to do. But it is not a right. What do you do for a living, Sandress? And how would you feel if millions of ppl decided that whatever it is you do, they have a RIGHT to it?

        I want everyone to have healthcare. But I’ll fight tooth and nail against the idea that it’s a right. Words mean things. “Something we ought to do” ≠ Right.

        • 1539days says:

          This is why the Founding Fathers tried to enshrine natural rights, because God doesn’t rescind them. The infamous FDR “Second Bill of Rights” would grant everyone education (which is mostly the case now), a job, a home and adequate health care. The problem with all of those “rights” is that everyone would experience them in a different way.

          If you have an education, generally provided by the government anyway, the job, home and health care usually follow. Still, some of those things fall through the cracks.

          The challenge in every civilized society now is how can people have those things without it becoming a giveaway to unproductive people? If a government hands out free crap, people will take it. If I can get a house without busting my ass 60 hours a week and only get a 30% bigger house by working hard, I might not choose the work ethic. In FDR’s pre-WW2 America, full employment would be easy because women didn’t work. If someone has a right to a job, are they obligated to work?

          I’ll stick with life, liberty and the ability to pursue happiness.

  28. The Klown says:
  29. The Klown says:
  30. In honor of HelenK: GRANITE, Ore. Late Wednesday a 14 y.o. boy on a deer hunting trip shot and killed two others in a hunting party at a cabin in the Blue Mountains of northeastern Oregon, then accidentally shot and wounded himself, authorities said. The cabin, on the edge of the Umatilla National Forest, is southwest of Granite on private land off a U.S. Forest Service road.

    I blame conservatives. That road should have been shutdown with the rest of the gov’t but some wackos proably tore down the ‘closed’ sign so tragedy befell. Terrorists!!!

  31. Lulu says:

    Washington Monument Syndrome
    The Washington Monument syndrome, also known as the Mount Rushmore Syndrome, or the firemen first principle, is a political tactic used in the United States by government agencies when faced with budget cuts or a government shutdown.[citation needed] The tactic entails cutting the most visible or appreciated service provided by the government, from popular services such as national parks and libraries to valued public employees such as teachers and firefighters. This is done to gain support for tax increases that the public would otherwise be against. The name derives from the National Park Service’s alleged habit of saying that any cuts would lead to an immediate closure of the wildly popular Washington Monument. The National Review compared the tactic to hostage-taking or blackmail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument_Syndrome

    Has any administration been this crude in their projecting? They always accuse everyone of what they themselves are doing.

  32. Lulu says:

    “Investigators have found indications that the woman who led authorities on a chase from the White House to the Capitol before she was shot to death by police thought that President Barack Obama was stalking her, law enforcement sources told NBC News.” http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/04/20816675-woman-in-dc-chase-may-have-thought-obama-was-stalking-her-sources-say?lite

    Obama is turning into the “Boogeyman”. So does this mean she was a Tea Party person? How soon will the media drop it if Obama was the stuff of this poor woman’s nightmares?

    • Somebody says:

      No way she could have been a tea party member, the tea party is racist and she was an AA. Even if she was they wouldn’t report it, that would mess up the racist tea party meme.

      Obama was stalking her huh? Bizarre.

    • leslie says:

      Reports I’ve heard this morning indicate a post-partum depression, but post- partum psychosis or post-partum depression w psychosis is more likely.

      • Lulu says:

        If this is true, she was very ill. Think Andrea Yates crazy. She literally could not think straight. Yates heard voices all day long, every day, for months before she killed her children.

  33. SHV says:

    lildoggy4u, on October 4, 2013 at 3:38 am said:

    ” In the mean time, the healthcare industry will get an added $2.6 trillion in new cash flow over the next decade.”
    I think you mean the HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY will get an added 2.6 trillion.
    The biggest winner is drug industry, all gain no risk; that’s why they spent $150 million in ad money to sell Obamacare to the public. Next is the insurance and associated financial businesses and finally the Hospital industry. The American Hospital Association was on board early for Obamacare, thinking that if “everyone” has insurance, they will collect a much larger percentage of their billings. I think that the hospital are going to get screwed in at least two ways: 1) they are going to loose the extra Fed dollars for providing care to the “poor” and 2) many will loose tax exempt status as a charitable organization because the majority of their patients will have “insurance”.

  34. Sandress says:

    Seriously, though. I cannot fucking BELIEVE that Obama said that. And that people CHEERED. Jesus. I guess we don’t teach the history of organized Labor anymore. What do people think Labor Day is celebrating? Childbirth? The beginning of the school year?

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