Debbie Downer Open Thread


So clearly we’re eight days in and to be insisting on data being produced day by day for a six-month enrollment program is a little bit unfair. And, you know, the good news that came out of this problem and HHS has acknowledged that there’s obviously been some technological problems with the server, but the good news out of that is that the servers were apparently designed to anticipate about 50,000 people a day going on the website and moving around and they — it turns out it’s been 250,000 a day. So it’s very clear that there is demand. It’s also clear that they need to fix those technological bugs. I don’t know any software program or app, for that matter, by any high-tech company that doesn’t have bugs and fixes that need to be made in the first few days of the rollout. And so that’s why, in part, there’s a six-month enrollment plan. So what the analogy that I’ve used repeatedly is that the Republicans, because they don’t like their kitchen redesign, are trying to burn their house down. And that’s what they’re doing by trying to take the government down with them and our economy.

And there you have it!


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43 Responses to Debbie Downer Open Thread

  1. The Klown says:

    I realize I didn’t write a proper post today but I sunk all my energy into my mom’s sink. Not only that, but it rained today.

    BTW – never try to scrub spots out of an old sink unless you want to scrub the whole damn thing white again.

  2. DeniseVB says:

    Wasn’t DWS smacking the GOP with a rather large, smelly fish earlier for taking away the death benefits from the families of the fallen troops?

    Oops, Trump said he’d pay for them. Oopsie-do, Harry said they’d pay for them.

    Are we having fun yet ?

  3. swanspirit says:

    http://www.caintv.com/awesome-video-gop-freshman-sch

    The video on this page is the most fun I have had since the shutdown started , but then I can’t stand Andrea Mitchell , so it was pure pleasure to watch someone take her apart and make her lose her supercilious smirk .

    • 1539days says:

      I saw the part where Michell said an Obamacare delay is “non-negotiable.” That’s a BS talking point from the Dems. If she said “the president says that’s non-negotiable,” that’s one thing, but stating it like a fact is just pulling a Candy Crowley.

  4. angienc says:

    Once again: broken interface & blank drop-down menus are *not* caused by too many users trying to access the server: those are from flaws in the coding & design of the system.
    Second: how in the fuck can the progs say with a straight face the site — which is suppossed to service millions of people — was designed to have 50,000 users a day? Incompetence is a virtue in Progville.
    Finally, Apple, etc are NOT the federal government & there products are not required to be purchased under penalty of law (yet). Furthermore, if Apple, etc had a rollout of product with half the flaws of this bullshit, people would actually get fired. As Lois Lerner et al prove: those rules don’t apply for government workers. The guys who designed this crap not only got BILLIONS in taxpayer money, they’ll probably get promoted.

    • DandyTIger says:

      When Apple introduced their maps system, it was deeply flawed. Many people involved, all the way up to the executive VP in charge of the entire software division had their asses handed to them and were shown the door. That’s what happens when money is on the line. So what should happen when actual lives are on the line?

    • Constance says:

      Or else suspended with full pay and benefits until retirement.

  5. Lulu says:

    I think about 40% looking at the website are journalists who intended to write “Holy moley this is stupendously marvelous” but couldn’t get past the first screen. The next 40% are techies gawping at the mess and laughing. Another 10% are the idiots who made the mess and are trying to fix it, and the final 10% are the poor unfortunates who have to use it to try to access insurance. Everyone else is saying “I am not touching that.”

  6. ecoast says:

    Debbie is dumb. That’s 50,000 simultanous users at any point in time, not users per day.

    From USA Today:

    President Obama’s chief technology adviser, Todd Park, blames the unexpectedly large numbers of people who flocked to Healthcare.gov and state websites. “Take away the volume and it works,” he told USA TODAY’s Tim Mullaney.

    That’s like saying that except for the torrential rain, it’s a really nice day. Was Park not listening to the administration’s daily weather report predicting Obamacare’s popularity?

    Park said the administration expected 50,000 to 60,000 simultaneous users. It got 250,000. Compare that with the similarly rocky debut seven years ago of exchanges to obtain Medicare drug coverage. The Bush administration projected 20,000 simultaneous users and built capacity for 150,000.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/10/07/health-care-insurance-exchanges-obamacare-editorials-debates/2940207/

  7. Anthony says:

    *yawn* Thats the same line of shit she spouted on Crossfire last night. Jesus, you think she’d change it up a little.

    Still, I’m always shocked by her lack of self-respect and shame at spewing lies. She’ll be an appropriate replacement for Pelosi some day.

  8. wmcb says:

  9. westcoaster says:

    The bison don’t think much of the barricades either- as scratching posts they’re pretty wimpy.

  10. abc says:

    There are 114,800,000 households in the United States. If 15% of them are uninsured or on the individual insurance market, that’s 17,220,000 households. If only 50,000 of them could access the web site per day, it would take 344 days to register them all….and she thinks that is a good explanation for why the registrations couldn’t take place? She feels that was an adequate capacity design and they shouldn’t have any idea that it would be over capacity all the time? Even the REAL number which is probably more like 50,000*10 hours a day is low when you consider how many people need to look, shop, shop again, shop again, ask questions, shop again. It’s not like just filing your taxes once. Whoever designed this system is a goon.

    And Debbie is stupid.

    Also, it’s not a six month enrollment period. If people want to be insured and not pay a penalty, it’s a 2.5 month enrollment period.

    Doubly stupid.

    Makes me sick.

  11. helenk3 says:

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/10/09/shutdown-showdown-sfs-cliff-house-defies-obama-admin-reopens-and-is-forced-to-close-again/

    part of our plans when my daughter, her SIL and I went to San Francisco was to celebrate her 50th birthday and my 75th birthday this year at the Cliff House. the backtrack bunch screwed that up. We will probably never get to the Cliff House as my daughter lives in NJ and I live in southern California

    • Erica says:

      Oh, Helen! I am so sorry that happened to you! I hope you were able to find a great way to celebrate despite president petulant. Happy birthday to you and yours!

  12. ecoast says:

    The problem with the exchanges is not just the loading issue. Working through all those interfces with other federal and state systems
    for all kinds of validations is the main problem. All those interfaces are new. Here are the problems as I see them.

    1. A user creates user id and gets into the system to fill out an application. (This has been the problem for lthe lat few days. This is a loading problem.)

    2. The application needs to be validated (check SSN, income info from IRS, etc.)

    3. What other benefits does the applicant get? food stamps, WIC, Obama phone, etc?

    4. Then the applicant’s subsidy is calculated. All those business rules combination logic must be horrendous. They probably did not
    test all the possible scenarios. (Next month we will be reading about some funny results.)

    5. Then the applicant info is sent to the insurers. Insurers do their computations using applicant’s health profile, credit records, etc., and
    give a quote. (Again the interfaces are all new and untested.)

    6. Applicant gets a shock. If the applicant doesn’t want to sign up for a plan, well, they already have his/her personal info. They will
    levy the fine and hound them.

    7. When the word spreads, new applicants may not want to go near that website.

    We are at step 1 only this week.

    Here is a link that shows some of those interfaces to other systems.

    Here’s everything you need to know about Obamacare’s error-plagued websites
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/10/09/heres-everything-you-need-to-know-about-obamacares-error-plagued-web-sites/

    • 1539days says:

      I tried to ask my exchange on Twitter why I can’t get up-front pricing like I could when they used to offer a paid health care option for working people without insurance at their job?

      No answer so far.

  13. helenk3 says:

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/10/09/ed-henry-sources-say-obama-admin-aides-knew-about-denial-death-benefits-few-days

    these scuzzbuckets knew for several days about the denial of death benefits and did nothing about it.

    notice when hagel had his photo op with the returning heros at Dover AFB, their families were not there. that is unforgivable

  14. ecoast says:

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/10/09/ed-henry-sources-say-obama-admin-aides-knew-about-denial-death-benefits-few-days

    On ‘The Kelly File’, Ed Henry reported late Wednesday evening that sources say aides in the Obama administration have been aware, for a few days , that the government would not be able to pay death benefits to fallen troops’ families.

    This report came after White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said that he was unsure when President Obama learned that fallen troops would be denied death benefits during the government shutdown.

    Video and text at link

  15. swanspirit says:

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/09/george-will-obama-cut-classes-the-day-they-taught-separation-of-powers-at-harvard-law/

    On NPR’s “Morning Edition” on Wednesday, Washington Post columnist and Fox News contributor George Will attacked President Barack Obama for what seems to be his view of the U.S. Constitution’s separation of powers, saying he must have “cut class the day they got to the separation of powers because he seems to consider it not just an inconvenience but an indignity.”

    In an interview with National Public Radio’s Steve Inskeep, Will explained that the sort of impasses plaguing the federal government like the budget shutdown are part of what he called “the Madisonian scheme,” which intentionally makes moving the federal government in one direction difficult.

    “This is the Madisonian scheme,” Will said, referring to former President James Madison, who has been called “the father of the Constitution.”

  16. Karma says:

    Anyone who saw the clip quoted below during the campaign had to know in their bones that Romney was right. While Obama ridiculously claimed that the Republicans would start working with him/Pres Petulant after the election.

    “You know that if the president were to be elected, he would still be unable to work with members of Congress,” Romney said during a Colorado campaign stop in November 2012.

    “He’s ignored them, he’s attacked them, he’s blamed them. And of course the debt ceiling is going to come up again, and then there’d be a threat of shutdown or default. And that of course chills the economy, puts more people out of work.”

    Video at the link of the quote and an interview with Hannity.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/passantino/mitt-romney-predicted-debt-ceiling-fight-government-shutdown

  17. helenk3 says:

    stolen from a commenter at No Quarter

    Click to access President-shutdown-msg-Oct-1.pdf

    letter to gov employees dated Oct 1 2013
    look at the address bar it was downloaded Sept 13 2013

    little odd isn’t it

    • Lulu says:

      The shutdown has been in the works for a while. The bureaucracy leviathan can’t think up painful stunts on the fly. In a come from nowhere shutdown everything would have just stopped. But Barrycades built or leased in advance, a hit list of private businesses with leases from the feds, sending exempted “essential employees” home only to be recalled, a planned out PR campaign by campaign professionals in the WH unleashed at Repubs all show it is a malicious premeditated stunt. I suspect it is being done to direct attention away from the Zerocare nightmare which they knew was going to implode. Creating a catastrophe to misdirect from a bigger one (both Barry-made) is a hallmark of this administration. I don’t think asshole park rangers can divert attention away from ruinous insurance rates and mega website failure.

  18. westcoaster says:

    cartoon- someone’s getting a spanking…
    http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2013/10/10/112756

  19. votermom says:

    If you think Obamacare glitches are bad, check this out: technical gltches making new NSA center literally go up in flames

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/10/08/2-Billion-NSA-Spy-Center-Going-Flames

  20. foxyladi14 says:

    Check out Mad Maxine!!! 👿

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