It’s a symbol of hate

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Jonathan Capehart:

Ugly rebel yell in front of the White House

If you want to curdle the blood of an African American and send a message of menace without resorting to burning a cross on the lawn or marching around in white sheets all one need do is wave the Confederate flag. So imagine my revulsion at the sight of one outside the front gates of the White House.

Michael Ashmore of Hooks, Tex., was among the many who converged on Washington for the “Million Vet March on the Memorials” to protest the government shutdown.

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The protest and some of the barricades placed at the World War II Memorial then moved to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. And it was there that Ashmore waved his Confederate flag. A symbol of Southern resistance and white supremacy unfurled in front of the home of the first black president of the United States.

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For those of you who would push back by saying we’re overreacting, that the Confederate flag is nothing more than a symbol of regional pride, save it. That flag you revere so much is no better than a Swastika, a threatening symbol of hate that has no place in American political discourse.


I am not a southerner. I’ve lived in California all my life except for when I was in the army. They sent me to Alabama for training but I didn’t see much of that place beyond Ft. McClellan. My redneck roots run to the Midwest, not the South. Near as I can tell none of my ancestors even fought in the Civil War.

But our nation fought a bitter and bloody conflict over slavery 150 years ago. The side that defended slavery flew the “Stars and Bars”, also know as St. Andrew’s Cross. They lost.

Another group is closely associated with that flag. They were racists who fought a guerrilla war for another 100 years after the Civil War ended. They wore white hoods and burned crosses and lynched black men. They were domestic terrorists.


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I personally do not find the Confederate flag offensive, but I’m not easily offended. I think it’s stupid. But millions of other Americans are offended by it, and for good reason. To them it’s a symbol of hate and oppression.

Yes, you have a constitutional right to wave a Confederate flag. Or a Nazi flag. You can even burn an American flag, as long as you don’t violate any local fire ordinances. You can also stand up in public and spew any idiocy or hate-filled ideology that floats through your head.

But having the right to do something doesn’t make it right.

It’s time to retire the Confederate flag. It’s way past time. The Civil War is over. Jim Crow is dead. This is the United States of America. Our flag is the Stars and Stripes.


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142 Responses to It’s a symbol of hate

  1. The Klown says:

    In Germany after WWII they outlawed the Nazi party and made it a crime to display the swastika.

    • DandyTIger says:

      They’re kind of taking the forget history, pretend it never happened approach. Not necessarily the best way to go.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Still, nobody talked to this kid? But WaPo photographs him with only an i.d. and writes about him? What brought him to DC? Are you a tea party racist? You know, fun stuff you ask people at rallies.

      I was born in New York, but grew up south of the Mason Dixon line, the Confederate flag has always been a symbol of rebellion to me, not hate, maybe more a cultural part of the south. I’m more repulsed by burning the U.S. Flag, so if we begin outlawing, we should begin there.

      • wmcb says:

        I make a distinction between “everyone who ever displays it is a racist” (not necessarily true) and “it’s commonly perceived as a hateful symbol, so you are a dumbass” (True.)

    • wmcb says:

      I’m not in favor of outlawing any free speech. Not even nasty speech.

    • 49erDweet says:

      Echoing Klown’s background, but spent quality time in the south years ago and recognize there are beau coup southerners who are NOT racists, but respect that flag for other reasons.
      Concur it’s display yesterday outside the WH was stupid x ten. I’d like to know more about the idiot carrying it before I rant in support of some type of ban. Besides, southerners as a class seem to be well adapted at disciplining their peers, so giving them a little time to “network” with the simpleton might bring about the desired result.

  2. The Klown says:
  3. wmcb says:

    HONK! No, not everyone who slaps it on their truck is in real life a racist. But if you do, you have ZERO fecking right to whine that you are perceived as one. NONE.

    I don’t care if you and your little group of friends think “it doesn’t mean that”, or that you are foolishly trying to “reclaim” some lost meaning, or just view it as a symbol for general rebellion. It ain’t gonna wash. It got used the other way by the Jim Crow Democrats for far too long.

    It’s the KKK history, far more than the Civil War history, that makes it a stupid thing to do, dumbasses.

  4. Falstaff says:

    People say “Heritage, not hate,” ignoring the fact that there’s a good bit of hate in the heritage they’re celebrating. The Confederate battle flag is not necessarily a marker for racist thought, but it’s got a long history of being appropriated by racists.

    • wmcb says:

      Yep. It’s like people wearing what amounts to a gangbanger thug uniform, then complaining when they get mistaken for a thug.

      Maybe they aren’t. Maybe they are perfectly nice people. DON’T WEAR THE UNIFORM, DUMBASS.

      Not exactly the same thing, but a fair analogy.

  5. votermom says:

  6. The Klown says:

    From Daily Caller:

    Underdog_Is_Here
    • 2 hours ago

    AWESOME! American military fought and died under the CONFEDERATE flag in WORLD WAR 2. More recently, it was part of the official Ranger insignia up until 1977, which means that up till that point, there were American soldiers that fought and died wearing the Confederate flag.

    Growing up a Marine Corps brat, I can attest to having seen the Confederate flag often displayed prominently alongside the Marine Corps flag. It is absolutely befitting and right to fly the Confederate flag at any American military memorial, especially the WW2 memorial in D.C. Anyone that says otherwise is either ignorant or an Obama buttkisser.

    • wmcb says:

      It’s the same old “It needs to be reclaimed” shit. Dumb and futile, however technically true what he’s saying may be.

      That’s what they don’t get. I’m not arguing that every person who has ever used it is a stone cold racist, and that’s why they flew it. Okay, you’re right, all weren’t. SO???? AND???? Labels and symbols change over time. What Democrats did in the south under that flag during segregation forever sullied it. Sorry, that’s a fact.

      And BTW, it’s the same visceral rejection I have of the communist flag. I could give a shit that you say “it doesn’t mean” you’re for Gulags and iron boots and the slaughter of tens of millions. That’s what it fucking flew over. You are an asshole if you display it.

  7. Constance says:

    But from what I hear there was one Confederate flag at the Veterans protest so why did the media only focus on it and then imply everyone there was racist and had no valid political points. Because the medias primary goal was distortion not fact finding. This guy likes attention so why not interview him? I want to know who is the guy who carries a confederate flag to a veterans protest against excluding Americans from war memorials while accommodating illegal aliens rallies.

  8. votermom says:

    • 49erDweet says:

      Why would they possibly want to look at more than one bid? This is the public’s welfare they’re administering, so all normal “business” (spit, spit) practices are irrelevant when they say so. Because they are so much smarter than the peasants.

      • DeniseVB says:

        A contractor friend of ours who deals with DC a lot says no way those “closed signs” at the National Parks and monuments were ready in one day. Bidding on contracts takes months, even for supplying sharpies and copy paper. Then they appeared magically out west too, and that’s 3-4 days shipping from DC.

        Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm.

  9. The Klown says:
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    • Constance says:

      But who are they polling? Do they ever leave the east coast? I was driving a car load of guys 25-28 to a party last Friday night (they had had a few beers)and they started raving about Obama care and how they were getting screwed and how they don’t mind paying their way but don’t want to pay for everyone else.

      I was sitting around watching a movie with a bunch of girls college girls 20- 25 and they were mad about the $25. minimum wage proposal. Why should they bust their buts in Differential Equations when some lazy unskilled person can make $15 an hour which is less than they are making in their professionally oriented internships. It is mid October and not one of them has a real job offer with benefits yet.
      Real people are not slurping up the Democrat talking points and extreme social engineering proposals like they were a bunch of MSNBC reporters.

      • Constance says:

        Sorry about the above typos. But the odd thing is how funny it is that the guys I was driving would complain about the cost of their health care. One of them has had hip surgery due to a ski accident. One has had his foot and ankle rebuilt due to a fall while climbing the outside of a building to talk to a girl. Three of them have had multiple MRIs due to head injuries from fighting, skiing, or stunt bike riding, and all of them have had multiple broken bones. These are the guys who think they are healthy but really cost the health care system a lot of money because of their male risk taking behaviors.

    • DandyTIger says:

      Depends on who you poll. Everyone or likely voters. Big difference. If you poll “the public”, this is what you get. It’s mostly what the media feeds them. If you poll likely voters, it’s more even. Whatever, they’re all idiots. But if Dems think they’re “winning” this, they’re even bigger idiots than I thought.

      • wmcb says:

        Look at the level of disapproval of GOP Congress from conservatives in that poll. It’s 60%. It looks like a huge chunk of their high disapproval number is from those pissed they are not fighting even harder.

        • Constance says:

          I think you are right on that. I am sick of do nothing “Republicans” and the DC Uniparty of corruption and sellouts.

  12. 1539days says:

    A libertarian would probably see a Confederate flag outside the White House and think about the expanse of the First Amendment.

    My exposure to the Confederate flag is mostly limited to the hood of a ’69 Charger named the General Lee. I think Klown has it mostly right when he refers to the guy who waved the biggest flag he could find as an asshole. That was entirely on the person wielding it.

    I will draw a line, however, at being ruled by symbolism. Think about the Confederate flag as south shaming like making assumptions about women’s clothing as slut shaming. I’m sure plenty of women who wear skimpy outfits just want to get laid, but that’s not a good assumption to make based on clothing.

    We all have prejudices. We also have brains. Both need to work with each other.

  13. votermom says:

    Palin:

    Obama’s Debt Default is on His Shoulders While We Shoulder His Impeachable Offenses

    Apparently the president thinks he can furlough reality when talking about the debt limit. To suggest that raising the debt limit doesn’t incur more debt is laughably absurd. The very reason why you raise the debt limit is so that you can incur more debt. Otherwise what’s the point?

    It’s also shameful to see him scaremongering the markets with his talk of default. There is no way we can default if we follow the Constitution. The Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4, requires that we service our debt first. We currently collect more than enough tax revenue to service our debt if we do that first. However, we don’t have enough money to continue to finance our ever-growing federal government (with our $17 trillion dollar national debt that has increased over 50% since Obama took office). That’s why President Obama wants to increase the debt limit. He doesn’t want to make the tough decisions to rein in government spending. So, he’s scaremongering the markets about default, just as he tries to scaremonger our senior citizens about their Social Security, which, by the way, is funded by the Social Security Trust Fund and is solvent through 2038.

    It’s time for the president to be honest with the American people for a change. Defaulting on our national debt is an impeachable offense, and any attempt by President Obama to unilaterally raise the debt limit without Congress is also an impeachable offense. A default would also be a shameful lack of leadership, just as mindlessly increasing our debt without trying to rein in spending is a betrayal of our children and grandchildren who will be stuck with the bill.

    – Sarah Palin

  14. votermom says:

    This is Forbes saying this

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  18. helenk3 says:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/is_obama_creating_a_martial-law-ready_military.html

    is backtrack creating a martial law ready military?

    this article scares the hell out of me because it is really happening today

  19. wmcb says:

    Read the article. It’s damning.

    • Lulu says:

      So it is set up as a hard sell scam? The FBI investigates stuff like this all the time because it is considered a form of fraud.

  20. helenk3 says:

    http://www.americanthinker.com

    some more awesome pictures from Vets rally in DC

  21. wmcb says:

    Question: Since SCOTUS ruled that the mandate penalty was a tax, how is the penalty not then thrown out?

    Taxes CANNOT originate in the Senate. Taxes cannot be “deemed and passed.” They have to be voted on in the House.

    Why did the SCOTUS ruling not kick the whole thing back to be voted on properly? There may be a reason that I’m not seeing, but if so, what is it?

    • 1539days says:

      Because Roberts didn’t want his car to blow up.

    • What days & 49ers said, but also because of how it went down. It was a bill that originated in the House, they just dumped every last bit of language and added what they wanted. It is not the first time they’d done it either. They did the same thing with TARP, and with a bunch of stuff in the decade before TARP. It’s their cute way of circumventing the Constitution.

      • 1539days says:

        The bill was almost entirely shady. The House and the Senate each passed a bill. The Democrats in the House gave in to Obama and passed the Senate bill because they didn’t have enough votes to pass another bill after Scott Brown.

        Of course, the Senate bill never would have passed if Arlen Specter hadn’t switched sides for a better deal. He lost his Democratic primary, his challenger lost to a Republican and Specter died. I still think he ended up better than an American on Obamacare.

  22. The Klown says:

    Of course there was no trash. It wasn’t Zuccotti park after an OWS rally.

  23. helenk3 says:

    dandy this one is for you. way beyond my understanding

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/13/your-d-link-wireless-router-may-have-a-backdoor/

    d-link wireless router may have a backdoor

  24. 49erDweet says:

    My only comment to this story about a naked Raider fan is that grief takes many forms.

  25. helenk3 says:

    http://freebeacon.com/fox-e-verify-considered-nonessential-during-shutdown/

    you will be glad to know the E-Verify considered nonessential during shutdown

  26. The Klown says:
  27. t says:

    Really horrible, awful, disgusting, human being. Seriously, if he thinks he’s helping some cause, he couldn’t be more incorrect.

  28. helenk3 says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/14/heartache-moochs-garden-overrun-with-weeds-and-wildlife-white-house-forbids-gardeners-from-harvesting-crops-pulling-weeds-during-shutdown/

    this is just heartbreaking, I am sure many tears will be shed over this

    no gardeners for mooch’s whitehouse garden due to shutdown

  29. Look, I agree with your point, but let’s also acknowledge that the left-based mainstream media has run with this story of one guy in a deliberate attempt to obscure the forest with a lone tree. It’s less than a fig leaf. It’s more race-baiting bullshit; another effort to race-block any honest, legitimate criticism of Obama. Yeah, the guy was stupid, but the hoopla is even stupider, and less honest, quite frankly.

    • The Klown says:

      If he’s not a plant then he screwed his cause by being stupid.

      • wmcb says:

        Here’s the thing: I don’t thnk he even had a cause. Like I said, no indication on his FB page that he’s political in any way. If he’s real, he’s a simple non-political ass, not a rogue conservative.

    • angienc says:

      Yeah, the guy was stupid, but the hoopla is even stupider, and less honest, quite frankly.

      THIS. The MSM sure as hell doesn’t want to talk about the vet with NO LEGS carrying a Barrycade from the WW2 memorial to the WH do they?

      (And if anyone says if it hadn’t been for the asshole with the Stars & Bars the MSM *would* have covered the vet with no legs, I’ve got a bridge to sell you).

  30. votermom says:

    My non-political hubby has started heckling the tv anytime da newz starts mentioning the shutdown or debt ceiling etc.

  31. helenk3 says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/14/obama-republicans-recognizing-their-position-is-not-smart-is-some-progress/

    backtrack never knows when to keep his mouth shut does he.?

    negotiations are going on to work out problems and the fool has to throw insults

  32. elliesmom says:

    I have ancestors who fought on both sides in the Civil War, and some family members who live in the north and some in the south today. The Confederate flag is a symbol of a huge cultural divide between the north and the south that still exists today more than anything else. Every region of this country has symbols that are cultural icons. Only the south and Texas use a flag, but we all have them. If we demand that everyone give up expressing cultural and regional pride in ways that other people assign false motives to, then we are asking everyone to give up their sense of regional identity because everything offends someone. I am personally offended by the number of monuments that are phallic symbols. As a feminist I demand we tear down the Washington monument because it’s a symbol of oppression for women. \

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  35. helenk3 says:

    On the Megan Kelly show tonight there was an interview with a documentary filmmaker Dennis Michael Lynch who was at the WW2 rally from beginning to end. when the video becomes available it is a must see. this man got it, he understood the reasoning behind the rally. It was beautiful

  36. The Klown says:

    Fucking Dodgers.

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  38. votermom says:

    I’ve got my beady eye on Paul Ryan. I’m worried he’ll turn RINO like Rubio

  39. angienc says:

    We are arming AQ affiliates in Syria.
    Police are sent out to stop WW2 vets from *viewing* open air monuments on the National Mall in DC the same week illegal aliens are welcomed with open arms to have a rally there.
    Sure the guy with the Stars & Bars was an asshole, but sticks & stones and really — in the grand scheme of things of what else is going down in this country — I don’t give a shit about one lone asshole.

  40. The Klown says:

    I’m calling VISA to tell them to raise my limit so I can pay them.

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  42. swanspirit says:

    Speaking of “symbols”
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/government-shutdown-white-house-garden-98278.html#ixzz2hkh4JwoG
    Squirrels and weeds take over White House garden
    Michelle Obama’s celebrated White House garden is overrun with weeds and wildlife — yet another victim of the shutdown, according to a popular blogger on all things food-related at the White House.

    “The vegetables filling the 1,500 square-foot plot are now rotting away on the vines and in the boxed beds, thanks to the mandate for ‘minimal maintenance’ placed on the skeletal crew of National Park Service gardeners who remain on duty at 1600 Penn.,” reports Eddie Gehman Kohan, the creator of Obama Foodorama, a website that chronicles the administration’s food initiatives.
    This lack of maintenance has had a “dramatic impact” on the kitchen garden, which is usually meticulously cared for, Gehman Kohan says. Mushrooms and weeds are popping up. The tomatoes and basil are out of control. The sweet potatoes have been relinquished to “worm food.”

    A White House source told Obama Foodorama that under the shutdown gardeners are not allowed to harvest any of the crops. They are only allowed to water the garden and remove trash — restrictions that preclude raking, weeding, or clearing out dead leaves.

    Wildlife are “having a field day,” Gehman Kohan reports. The squirrels, in particular, seem to have gotten the memo that no one is tending to the garden. “The squirrels are always a problem in the garden, eating the berry crop in the summer months. But they’re now kids in a candy store, gorging themselves.”

    The First Lady’s office was unavailable for comment — both voicemail boxes are full, and the media email account has an auto reply indicating that staff are not available to respond due to “greatly reduced staffing.”

    According to Obama Foodorama, White House Supervisory Horticulturalist Jim Adams remains on the job, but he is not permitted to go beyond the minimal maintenance restrictions. Executive Pastry Chef Bill Yosses, who is furloughed, usually holds weekly garden weeding sessions, but those have also been canceled during the appropriations hiatus.

    • mothy67 says:

      Someone was paid to write this?

    • wmcb says:

      That right there is the problem with the federal govt in a nutshell. There are rigid assigned tasks, and no volunteerism is allowed. Staff who might actually want to go pick a tomato are actually forbidden from doing so.

      This is the bullshit that happened with unions writ large. This is the insanity of regimented official collectivism. We are all cogs in the Grand Machine, and must do our assigned tasks, and ONLY our assigned tasks. When the piece of paper says that is not my task, I am required to grind to a creaky robotic halt, like a good little drone.

      The article is unintentionally hilarious, but you know what it also is?

      Fucking terrifying. These people may make an anarchist of me yet.

  43. wmcb says:

    And this is why the GOP sucks at playing hardball with Dems. No, idiot, you do not START a negotiation with what you think will be “reasonable”. Gawd, these people have no fucking common sense. Or street smarts. At all.

  44. wmcb says:

    Those of you who were “well-churched” may chuckle at this one. I did.

    • Erica says:

      If it hits 68 degrees in our house, my teen acts like she’s been set adrift on a glacial floe to slowly freeze to death, lost and alone.

      But we don’t have any drama, mind you.

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  47. wmcb says:

    You know, if they wanted to change the Redskins’ name to something more accurate, they could always call it the Washington ChiComs. Because the Washington We-Owe-Our-Asses-And-Our-Great-Grandchildren’s-Asses-To-China is a bit long.

  48. helenk3 says:

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/obama-shutdown-of-catholic-mass-sparks-reaction/

    curtailing religious freedom

    this is going to be an interesting law suit. may go to the supreme court

    • The Klown says:

      WorldNetDaily (WND) isn’t as bad as Alex Jones’ InfoWars but it still isn’t a reliable source. It’s Joseph Farah’s tinfoil hat conspiracy outfit.

      • wmcb says:

        WND has a mix of true stuff and batshit stuff. Usually if it’s true, you can find other links reporting it also.

        • The Klown says:

          The National Enquirer scooped everyone on John Edwards (twice) but I still don’t consider them a reliable source.

          But InfoWars is the only site I have blocked links from. They’re cray.

  49. The Klown says:
    • wmcb says:

      I’m telling you, the pro-abortion crowd is unhinged. I am gobsmacked at some of the stuff I see them say. This “no limits ever, even over 20 weeks is a non-human, children can get abortions without parents, performed by lower-level practitioners, you have to pay for it, and monsters like Gosnell get shoved under the rug” bullshit is NOT fucking prochoice. It’s insanity, and it’s wrong.

      This is beyond “making a painful and difficult early decision that ought not be criminalized.” They are pushing for full-on infanticide and denigration of any consideration for the infant at all, EVER, in any way.

      If that’s where they want to draw the battle lines, then fine. Fuck you. If that’s what “pro-choice” is going to mean in the modern world, then call me pro-life. I didn’t sign on for a culture of throwaway babies being cheered and celebrated. You want to make it that, go ahead, progs. I’ll be on the other side.

      • 49erDweet says:

        That was always Margaret Sanger’s goal, according to her writings. It was anything goes to keep babies “who shouldn’t be born” to be carried full term. One guess as to the ethnicity she (and PP) targeted.

        • The Klown says:

          That was back when racism was considered scientific. Before the Nazis gave racism and eugenics a bad name.

          The old progressives use to talk about the “White Man’s Burden” and academics wrote treatises advocating that stuff.

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