They F****d Themselves

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Ron Fournier:

“Dem Party is F****d.” That was the subject line of an email sent to me Sunday by a senior Democratic consultant with strong ties to the White House and Capitol Hill. The body of the email contained a link to this Los Angeles Times story about Obamacare “sticker shock:”

“These middle-class consumers are staring at hefty increases on their insurance bills as the overhaul remakes the healthcare market. Their rates are rising in large part to help offset the higher costs of covering sicker, poorer people who have been shut out of the system for years.”

“Although recent criticism of the healthcare law has focused on website glitches and early enrollment snags, experts say sharp price increases for individual policies have the greatest potential to erode public support for President Obama’s signature legislation.”

In his story, reporter Chad Terhune also quoted a letter sent to a California insurance company executive. “I was all for Obamacare,” wrote a young woman complaining about a 50 percent rate hike related to the health care law, “until I found out I was paying for it.”

Also of interest to the Democratic consultant: A Josh Barro column on Obama’s promise that “if you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan.” It was never a reasonable pledge, Barro argues, and it’s being proven false. He called this “a good thing” because “a lot of existing health plans were bad.” Reforming the nation’s health care system “was necessarily going to have to change a lot of people’s health plans,” Barro wrote.

The Democratic consultant said none of this is news to him, but he wonders why Obama wasn’t honest with Americans. He predicted surprise and outrage over higher costs and lesser coverage. “We will own this problem forever,” the Democrat wrote.


I have been saying for years that Obamacare was gonna be a disaster. And the Democrats knew it. The giveaway was that they delayed implementation until after the 2012 elections.

Now you see people spreading the talking point that they deliberately enacted a bad program so they could “fix” it into Single-Payer. The problem with that idea is that it requires committing political suicide.

On the other hand, the GOP establishment seems determined to squander this opportunity. A cynic would say this is just Kabuki and we’re all f****d. The problem with cynics and pessimists is that they’re usually right.

I picked a bad time to quit drinking. I could really use some liquid oblivion right now.

FML


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78 Responses to They F****d Themselves

  1. votermom says:

    This made me lol

  2. votermom says:

    Maybe she was kidnapped by gypsies

  3. votermom says:

  4. helenk3 says:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/life_expectancy_under_the_affordable_care_act.html

    this is an interesting article of what happens to drug research under obamacare.

    I can say that in the last month I have had my insurance refuse to pay for a flu shot that they were giving in a CVS store, saying I would have to go to my primary care dr to get it. I just paid for it my self as my doctor is a distance and I only go when I really have to or for checkups. then I was told OH NO we will pay for it just send us the receipt. Then last week my doctor wrote out three prescriptions and the insurance co would not pay for one. these two incidents are the first time I have ever had an insurance refuse doctor’s prescriptions

  5. fif says:

    2 things:

    “I was all for Obamacare,” wrote a young woman complaining about a 50 percent rate hike related to the health care law, “until I found out I was paying for it.”

    This is why the uninformed public is so susceptible to the marketing and propaganda hype of modern politics. All promises and no reality.

    Second: he “wonders why Obama wasn’t honest about it.” Does he know Obama?

    • votermom says:

      Obama is the used car salesman selling the lemon that is Obamacare.

    • t says:

      I will cut her some slack. What I think she was saying was that she didn’t realize that she would be so **disproportionately* paying for it.

      The burden of the cost is falling disproportionately on people just outside of subsidy range. That’s a fact, not some spin.

      It is a horrifyingly poorly designed law, written with the fore-thought of a 7th grade civics student, with no thought about how it impacts particular groups. Unworkable.

      Someone on the message board for that post said, “I don’t know a single person on the individual market who has lost their coverage due to Obamacare.” Obviously he doesn’t know anyone on the individual market because most of us lost our plans. The only thing mine lacked was chemical dependency coverage. I don’t even drink!!!! but my premiums and deductible were jacked and I lost the 4 up-front specialist visits I had (among other downgrades). I have skin cancer and other problems. I needed coverage for my screenings and I lost it until I meet the elevated deductible…which I never meet.

      Offering subsidies for people who need to have higher-cost insurance while leaving us who don’t need to carry…. maternity or chemical dependency, or abortion, or birth control alone would have been a good option. Creating public insurance (which they already had in some states) for high risk patients who can’t get “regular insurance” would have been good. Offering subsidies for people who can’t afford insurance at all would have made sense. Expanding Medicaid — but only in the context of increasing reimbursements so more doctors would accept it — was something I would be for.

      But this whackamole strategy of let’s insure these people while pricing these other folks out of the market is criminal. It’s downright dastardly. And the Democrats should be run out of town for it. Vote the effing bum out.

      PS: And I pride myself on not mentioning that most of the Exchange plans are quasi-Medicaid or ranting about that too. Oops, I sort of did. Some families will be paying many thousands of dollars a year and have only limited doctor access…..

      • Lulu says:

        It is a feature not a bug. This shit came out of the Center for American Progress and health insurers lobbyist’s asses. The intent was to ration care for those who receive too much according to the freaks like Ezekiael Emauel MD, common looters like Obama, and greedy assholes in the insurance industry who are owned by Wall St. It was to pillage wealth from the struggling middle class for themselves with a con claiming to provide care for the have-nots who will still be have-nots in health care with crappy publicly funded Medicaid HMO’s. It is a con that was supposed to razzle dazzle with a frigging website that hid the rates and funneled the desperate whose insurance had just been terminated (by Obamacare law) like a cow in a squeeze chute. The website fizzled, the public caught on, and now it is headed for the elections which are a year away.

        • Mary says:

          And middle class voters without subsides and with huge increases WILL REMEMBER that Congressional staff got gold plans AND subsidies at their expense.

        • Constance says:

          Of course the Republicans are too stupid to capitolize on the Obamacare disaster or else they are also owned by Wall street and so they won’t act to save The People. But never fear, Congress will make sure to import a bunch of illegals so they can take the few jobs that are around and drive wages down.

  6. The Klown says:
  7. The Klown says:

    What concessions?

  8. votermom says:

  9. votermom says:

    Ted Cruz releases Halloween video

    • trixta says:

      Wonder what my Obot hairdresser has to say about Obamacare now. I wouldn’t be surprised if she and her family have been booted off their Kaiser plan. I’ll see her in a few weeks….

  10. votermom says:

  11. swanspirit says:

    I must say , I am actually just feeling the feathery beginnings of amusement , ( am not close to any level of satisfaction or gratification YET ), but must admit ; I am starting to enjoy the irony and schadenfreude that is the immanent failure of the signature piece of The Narcissist in Chief SIGNATURE piece of legislation and legacy .
    He and his entire administration and party ; so very completely and richly deserve the inescapable public and global humiliation that this debacle will bring , as do the vile progs. I will refrain from actually gloating , because the tragedy is, that it is the people of this country that are truly suffering from the hubris and arrogance that the Incompetent in Chief has inflicted upon them in the form of “obamacare “, but I cannot help the feelings of pleasure watching it unfold as the failure it is . The ACA is no longer obamcare , it is now becoming the ObamaCatastophe , and considering all the misery and grief I have felt for years watching this fraud come to power , I think I might enjoy some satisfaction watching the tide turn.
    The bigger they are, the harder they fall .

  12. helenk3 says:

    On Wednesday sebelius testifies before congress.

    On Wednesday backtrack will be making a speech in Boston about romneycare and obamacare

  13. helenk3 says:

    Texas abortion law declared unconstitutional by federal court

  14. swanspirit says:

    JOY TO THE WORLD ?

    CGI Federal executive spent ‘Christmas with the Obamas’
    Patrick Howley 12:53 PM 10/28/2013

    Michelle Obama’s relationship with Princeton classmate Toni McCall Townes-Whitley, whose company earned the no-bid contract to design the disastrous Healthcare.Gov Obamacare website, continued after the Obamas moved into the White House.

    Townes-Whitley and her husband even enjoyed “Christmas with the Obamas” at the White House in December 2010, according to a Facebook album created by Townes-Whitley.

    Although neither Michelle Obama nor Townes-Whitley has discussed their relationship, the Christmas event took place just seven months after Townes-Whitley joined CGI Federal as a senior vice president.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/28/cgi-federal-executive-spent-christmas-with-the-obamas/#ixzz2j2t5Doxv

    • DeniseVB says:

      There’s a link to Valerie Jarrett somewhere too. Couldn’t find any good sources, mostly gossipy stuff, but her daughter married Canada’s Prime Minister’s son? Either Dad or Son hired CGI for some mega-project that failed in Canada also. Maybe I can find some stuff for Tinfoil Tuesday 😉

  15. helenk3 says:

    David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 1h

    @BarackObama If you like your delusions, you can keep your delusions.

    • swanspirit says:

      This is actually funny , especially to me . Who will be handing Nancy the award ? John Waters? I have an ex-boyfriend that still owes him $600.00 ( John ,you are never ever going to get that $600.00 , ever)
      Nancy belongs in a remake of one of his movies , ObamaCare CryBaby , Serial Democrat, Polyester Politician , or maybe Pink Flamingo Pelosi .

  16. angienc says:

    So, IOW, us “racists” who opposed Obamacare were right for exactly the reasons we opposed it.
    I will not hold my breath for an aplogy.

    Another thing I’m sick of hearing about from the prog defenders of this POS is “Before Obamacare, America is the only western industrialized nation *without* nationalized health care.” First, we still don’t have “nationalized” health care — we have a Ponzi scheme. Second, having a POS law is not the answer (i.e., having *something* that sucks is NOT better than having nothing at all). Finally, please site me one of those other western industrialized nations with nationalized healthcare that has the same amount of people as the USA — just one that comes close. I am so tired of these idiots comparing a nation of 300,000 million to the likes of Norway with a population of 10 million (and which, btw, does not operate with defceit spending) and thinking it is a viable comparison. Only morons would think what works for one would work for the other.

    • votermom says:

      GMTA

    • Somebody says:

      ^^THIS^^

      Not to mention the flood of illegals putting pressure on our system, no other nation on earth has the kind of immigration issues we have. Like it or not at some level resolving immigration will become part and parcel of resolving our health care issues……..or we could just keep drifting along???

      • Somebody says:

        Sorry this was supposed to nest under AngieNC, but hey ^^This^^ to the obots facing the truth too!

  17. Constance says:

    You know with the Progs in charge it is sort of like the middle class working stiff has a sign on her back that says “kick me”, crappy health care, part time jobs, .. we will all have to figure out a way to make some income we don’t report and pay tax on just to get by.

    • swanspirit says:

      Sell things on craigslist!

    • Constance says:

      I like the informal labor swapping groups too, I make you a casserole or whatever for your dinner twice a week for a month and you fix my plumbing problem. We had a babysitting ring with scrip going when my kids were little. You have to hope the Feds aren’t watching though because I’m sure tax is owed on trades.

  18. The Klown says:

    I recently had a friend complain that his Rx for Viagra has a co-pay of $10 each.

    My response: “Well Jim, life is hard and you aren’t.”

  19. driguana says:

    It’ s jung-le out there….

    Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic be alcohol, morphine or idealism.
    Carl Jung

  20. Val says:

    I watched my insurance rates creep up & up each quarter since ’09 until topping out just under $800/mon… And as of Dec 31st, I’ll be SOL since my AVMA insurance will be out of business thanks to the ACA. I can hardly wait for my Halloween “surprise”, visiting w/my insurance rep to find out what my options may be – I’m bracing myself for $1K/mon w/my pre-existing conditions…

    • t says:

      One thing, you can’t be charged more for pre-existing conditions. Of course, you’ll have to cover maternity, even if you’re 82.

      • Propertius says:

        Yes, you *can* be charged more for pre-existing conditions. And simply for being older. You can’t be denied coverage, though. Which is good, I suppose, since you’re legally required to obtain it.

        • t says:

          No, you should probabably look at the law again. That’s one of the main provisions, guaranteed issue, plus you can’t be charged more.

        • t says:

          Apologies in advance for linking here, but it’s the definitive site on the matter: https://www.healthcare.gov/how-does-the-health-care-law-protect-me/#part=3

        • Propertius says:

          Well, I did look at the law and what the law (rather than the marketing web page says is):

          ‘‘SEC. 2701. FAIR HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS.
          ‘‘(a) PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATORY PREMIUM RATES.—
          ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—With respect to the premium rate charged by a health insurance issuer for health insurance cov-
          erage offered in the individual or small group market—
          ‘‘(A) such rate shall vary with respect to the particular
          plan or coverage involved only by—
          ‘‘(i) whether such plan or coverage covers an indi-
          vidual or family;
          ‘‘(ii) rating area, as established in accordance with
          paragraph (2);
          ‘‘(iii) age, except that such rate shall not vary
          by more than 3 to 1 for adults (consistent with section 2707(c)); and
          ‘‘(iv) tobacco use, except that such rate shall not vary by more than 1.5 to 1; and
          ‘‘(B) such rate shall not vary with respect to the par-
          ticular plan or coverage involved by any other factor not described in subparagraph (A).
          ‘‘(2) RATING AREA.—
          ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—Each State shall establish 1 or more rating areas within that State for purposes of applying the requirements of this title.
          ‘‘(B) SECRETARIAL REVIEW.—The Secretary shall review the rating areas established by each State under subpara- graph (A) to ensure the adequacy of such areas for purposes of carrying out the requirements of this title. If the Sec- retary determines a State’s rating areas are not adequate, or that a State does not establish such areas, the Secretary may establish rating areas for that State.
          ‘‘(3) PERMISSIBLE AGE BANDS.—The Secretary, in consulta-
          tion with the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, shall define the permissible age bands for rating purposes under paragraph (1)(A)(iii).
          ‘‘(4) APPLICATION OF VARIATIONS BASED ON AGE OR TOBACCO USE.—With respect to family coverage under a group health plan or health insurance coverage, the rating variations per- mitted under clauses (iii) and (iv) of paragraph (1)(A) shall be applied based on the portion of the premium that is attrib- utable to each family member covered under the plan or cov- erage.
          ‘‘(5) SPECIAL RULE FOR LARGE GROUP MARKET.—If a State permits health insurance issuers that offer coverage in the large group market in the State to offer such coverage through the State Exchange (as provided for under section 1312(f)(2)(B)

          I missed the “only” in 2701(a)(1)(A). I’m still not sure that was in the original Senate version of the bill.

          So, you’re right – they can’t raise your rates because of pre-existing conditions, only because of age (imagine, it took a Democrat to re-legalize age discrimination!). They also can’t raise the rates of your other family members just because you made the mistake of getting old. 😉

          Apologies for the error!

    • sleepyhead says:

      Late to the party here, but I also had AVMA insurance and had to drop it several years ago when my rate hit $1K/month. (TMI but my pre-existing condition which bumped the rates up is hemochromatosis, which has been stable for years and the treatment is free – donating a pint of blood every month or two. I even had my primary care doctor write a letter to the insurance company stating those facts but it made no difference.) Now I have a crap plan for $418/month with a $6K deductible that doesn’t cover a thing, and just found out that they are planning another rate increase in January. I don’t qualify for any subsidies, and the cheapest plan available on the exchange for me is $579/month, also with a $6K deductible. BTW, AVMA is now touting a new plan, supposedly qualifying for any and all exchanges that – surprise! – is not available in my zip code. I’m sure you will be happy to hear, though, that they cover gender reassignment surgery, although they have refused in the past to cover my migraine meds. So you can have a sex change, but don’t you dare get a headache!

  21. driguana says:

    No matter how you slice and dice it, it’s about the money….

  22. Propertius says:

    Now you see people spreading the talking point that they deliberately enacted a bad program so they could “fix” it into Single-Payer.

    I think that talking point is ridiculous. I think the whole point of the ACA is to make single payer unthinkable for at least a generation, thereby reinforcing the insurance companies’ stranglehold on healthcare in the US.

    Mission accomplished!

  23. t says:

    LOL, NBCNews basically says liar, liar pants on fire.

    For once in about a zillion years, I’m happy with them.

    Obama Administration Knew Millions Could Not Keep Their Health Insurance.

    http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

    Honestly, if these stories keep up, I think the dweeb might even resign.

    President Biden! LOL.

  24. Val says:

    T, I’ll be sure to drop back by Thurs when I find out what my new, improved rate will be… If it is LESS than the $800/mon I’m currently forking out, I’ll send ya a crisp new $20!!!
    But I’m betting it will beat least that much or more…

    • t says:

      I didn’t say that. I only said they can’t use your pre-existing condition to determine your rate. I hope against hope that you have a decent rate.

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