Keep fucking that chicken, Greg!


Greg Sargent:

Morning Plum: Why normal debate about Obamacare is impossible

Foes of Obamacare are excitedly citing a rash of new stories claiming untold Americans are “losing” their insurance, as CBS News’ Norah O’Donnell puts it. One of them is this NBC News story, which reports that “millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.”

Critics of the law are right to ask whether it is having an adverse impact on these millions of Americans. And the White House could have been clearer in laying the groundwork for this political argument: It wasn’t sufficient to say people who like their plans will be able to keep it, which is narrowly untrue.

But the GOP outrage about Americans supposedly “losing” coverage is largely just more of the same old misdirection. It’s a subset of a larger Republican refusal to have an actual debate about the law’s tradeoffs — one in which the law’s benefits for millions of Americans are also reckoned with in a serious way.


Shorter Greg Sargent: “We can’t have a normal debate about Obamacare because the Republics are big meanies who are obsessed with the truth!”

Well, gee, Greg, maybe this just ain’t the best time to be debating Obamacare. We’re at the implementation stage now. Do you know when a good time would have been for a debate?

Before it was passed!

Obama did not promise trade-offs. He explicitly promised “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.” And when he made that promise, OBAMA KNEW IT WAS A LIE! He lied about the cost, too. False and misleading statements are the kind of things you use in a debate to impeach someone’s credibility. The credibility of a witness is ALWAYS relevant.

BTW – Greg Sargent is a progressive blogger who “went pro“. He is also a Journolista which means he is a dedicated Obama shill.

He blocked me on Twitter for telling him to “Keep fucking that chicken, Greg!”



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93 Responses to Keep fucking that chicken, Greg!

  1. The Klown says:

    Vile Progs hate it when you don’t let them control the terms of the discussion.

  2. The Klown says:

    DISCLAIMER: I have absolutely no evidence that Greg Sargent doesn’t fuck chickens.

  3. wmcb says:

    Greg thinks we should have a debate about the law’s tradeoffs being worth it. Yeah, a bunch of us wanted to have that debate in 2009, Greggie, and got told Shut Up, there ARE no tradoffs, it’s good for everyone, and you’re a racist so shut up.

  4. DeniseVB says:

    Hope FB doesn’t take down our page, but damn, I xposted it anyhow. I’m sure we have an 18+ setting, though I prefer F**king, I can’t edit your posts. Love your passion myiq ❤

  5. SHV says:

    “And when he made that promise, OBAMA KNEW IT WAS A LIE! ”
    ******
    I doubt that he did know. He reads whatever is put in front of him. He’s a sociopath who is utterly disinterested in anything that is unrelated to whatever crazy self interested shit that goes on in his head.

    Unlke the Greg Sargent’s on the Right and Left who are writing crap, I actually looked at the law:

    PUBLIC LAW 111–148—MAR. 23, 2010

    Entitled The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

    PART II—OTHER PROVISIONS
    SEC. 1251. PRESERVATION OF RIGHT TO MAINTAIN EXISTING COV- ERAGE.
    (a) NO CHANGES TO EXISTING COVERAGE.—
    (1) IN GENERAL.—Nothing in this Act (or an amendment
    made by this Act) shall be construed to require that an individual terminate coverage under a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which such individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act.
    (2) CONTINUATION OF COVERAGE.—With respect to a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which an individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act, this subtitle and subtitle A (and the amendments made by such subtitles) shall not apply to such plan or coverage, regardless of whether the individual renews such coverage after such date of enactment.
    (snip)
    *****

    Of course, the lobbyists and revolving door staffers who wrote this “Law” knew this provision was cynical bullshit. The knew that, especially in the “individual market” 40-67% of policies undergo some changes each year. It was then easy for HHS to write the rules so narrowly, that even a minor change made the policy a “new” policy and therefore no longer grandfathered under section 1251. They needed to force the 14-16 million people who had the money to actually buy medical insurance into the exchanges in order to have any hope of financial solvency.

    Bottom line is that it was and is a huge scam.

  6. The Klown says:
  7. helenk3 says:

    Has anyone told this guy that Steny Hoyer just admitted that the dems knew people would lose their healthcare?

    picture this
    dems to insurance companies——just fork over more money and we will give you triple return on it. we will let you write a bill on healthcare, put backtrack’s name on it sell it to the suckers. you can get rid of policies that are not really making money and we will make sure they have to sign up for policies that make you more money.
    we look like we give a damn about the people and you make money
    it is a win -win for both of us.

    Dems to CGI——Ok your are a friend of valjar. that is all the recommendation we need. you do have to bid for this contract. you will make money on it. valjar will be happy. it is a win – win for both of us.

    Dems to CGI now—–damn it you screwed up. now more jerks are finding out they have been screwed. all you had to do is write a program that made us all money. any college kid can do that. now we have to make some moves that make us look good. we want the money we gave back. you will get it returned on some other contract before the backtrack term is up. we need the cover

  8. Monster from the Id says:

    *lolsob*

  9. votermom says:

    • Lulu says:

      I wonder if she really wrote that or tasked it to one of her dumber underlings. Maybe she had had a few drinks and her filter was turned off.

  10. Constance says:

    What gets me is they now expect us to be comforted because they promise the web site will be fixed by the end of November. like anyone with a brain would believe anything they promise at this point. At least Ted Cruz made and effort to save us from this at the last minute. And why on earth did the Obama people shut down government when they needed a delay of obmamcare? How cynical and against The People can you get. They show open contempt for Americans and America. Now they go off and start working on opening our borders so wages will depressed even further and more people can be unemployed or working 2 part time jobs.

  11. angienc says:

    Jonah Goldberg at NRO unloaded on Sargent today.

    Indeed, what is so infuriating to many of us is that now that it’s the law of the land, Obamacare supporters act as if all of the lies were no big deal and no serious person believed them anyway. But as anyone can tell you, if Obama had been honest about the trade-offs in his signature piece of legislation, it would never have become his signature piece of legislation. So please, don’t tell me the lies don’t matter.

    There’s more (but its not long) and it is definitely worth the read:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/362467/why-wont-gop-let-us-have-normal-debate-why-jonah-goldberg

    • lyn says:

      I like this:
      “The president and the Democrats lied us into a bad law. The Right opposed the law on principle. A single party — the Democrats — own this law in a way that no party has had complete ownership of any major social legislation in a century. They bought this legislation with deceit and the GOP said so. Now that it is going into effect, the facts on the ground are confirming that deceit. Moreover, the same haughty condescending bureaucrats and politicians who told us they were smart enough and tech-savvy enough to do just about anything are being exposed as incompetent political hacks. And this is the moment when Sargent thinks the GOP should simply throw in the towel and work with the Democrats to make Obamacare bipartisan?”

    • The same Jonah Goldberg that vile progs are up in arms about about because he isn’t banned on /r/politics on reddit, but Mother Jones is.

      Because fucking David Corn is a certifiable JOKE.

      • angienc says:

        I had heard there was some vile prog “war” on Jonah Goldberg (who, btw, from what I’ve seen of him seems pretty mild-mannered & moderate),but I had no idea that was reason. Utterly ridiculous and pathetic. But what can you expect from Juice Box Nation.

  12. The Klown says:

    Fat Tommy blocked me on Twitter. Apparently he doesn’t appreciate constructive criticism. I’m banned from Mediaite too.

    Twitter really should have something showing all the people who have blocked you. I like to keep track.

    • Lulu says:

      Propagandists don’t like any of that sassy backtalk. I think they are starting to loose their shit and can’t think straight.

    • DandyTIger says:

      Thinking of starting a business of sending flaming bags of shit to idiots like this. I’d be a frick’ing millionaire.

      • Constance says:

        That would be a good service. After a few margaritas I can see myself ordering several hundred dollars of flaming $h!t hits on people I’ve known and politicians. I hope you go nation wide.

    • If there isn’t an app for that, you are sitting on a gold mine.

    • 1539days says:

      They knew they cost less before.

      Obama: “If *I* like your plan, you can keep it.”

    • angienc says:

      I’m really loving this new vile prog defense of Obamacare — stupid rubes don’t even know what insurance they had & should just listen to their betters, because it has a nice “Let them eat cake” vibe. (I’m a sucker for the old stuff).

  13. DeniseVB says:

    Great timing ‘Bam. In Boston tomorrow for a speech and a fundraiser, aren’t the World Serious Bosox playing too? Good luck with that traffic thing between the donors and the stadium 😀

  14. helenk3 says:

    will be seeing a lot of ads like this in 2014

  15. DandyTIger says:

    When you think about it, there is no logic to signing up for Obamacare. The new policies are crazy expensive for out of pocket. Effectively cash only. Except it’s a nightmare to deal with and you have to wait years for things. And rmore doctors going cash only. So skip. Pay cash. Then if something bad happens, sign up then because pre-existing is covered. It’s just not logical to sign up before you have something big.

    • 1539days says:

      The policies are running something like $7,000 a year with a $7,000 deductible, let alone the co-pays. If you make the median income, you would pay a $4,000 tax and still have $10,000 before you make back what you paid for insurance.

      The fastest way for people to make the cost of health care go down is to start making people pay the bills BEFORE the insurance company adjusts them. Rand Paul has said before that the best deals in medicine are the ones not covered by insurance because they have to follow the free market.

    • angienc says:

      Yep — I’m seriously considering it. Doctor services are cheaper at every practice/hospital anyway when you pay cash (and always have been). As for the Obamacare Tax/penalty, I never get a tax refund in excess of $100 anyway, so the IRS can kiss my ass to collect it.

      Please note: most people on the individual market are self-employed (like me), so we’re the ones getting fucked the most right now. But those of you with insurance through employers, beware as the employer mandate kicks in *next* year. Y’all aren’t out of the woods yet.

      • DandyTIger says:

        Yep, I’m in the same boat. Self insured. Think I’ll go the cash route. Scary, but what the fuck.

      • t says:

        That is definitely NOT what I’ve found. The insure-co’s reimburse at a drastically lower rate than the original bill.

        Self-employed too.

        • angienc says:

          That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m saying that if you ask your doctor how much he/she will charge if you pay cash & don’t go through insurance at all, you will be surprised at how much less the charges are — usually a reduction by half (i.e., if an office visit is billed at $150, it will be $75 if you pay cash up front). Furthermore, for more expensive stuff/procedure, they’ll not only charge you less for self (non-insurance) pay, they’ll let you pay in installments.

          I know a woman with no insurance who had a double mastectomy, chemo, the whole nine yards that breast cancer entails. Her doctors & the hospital cut the original charges by 60% when she asked told them she didn’t have insurance or the money to pay.

    • DandyTIger says:

      Revolutions can start in small ways. This could be one.

    • Constance says:

      That is what makes sense. Pay Dr visits out of pocket, save the amount you would have spent on premiums in a health care savings account and after a couple of healthy years you would have enough to pay for a health disaster until you can sign up for insurance one you are sick.

      • angienc says:

        Yes — that’s what I’m talking about. You have to save the money you would have paid in monthly premiums (either pre or post Obamacare) for this to be a good option.

        I know a couple who are now looking at $1400 a month with a $5000 deductible (used to be $750 with $1500 deductible). No way in hell would I pay $1400 a month for policy with a $5000 deductible — that’s $16,800 a year for insurance with a $5000 deductible! Praise be to God, I don’t pay $5000 a year in medical expenses even calculating it at the “billable” rate, so why in the hell would I pay that for insurance that is doing me no good — to only have to pay a $50 co-pay for my yearly physical (billable cost — $150, less if I pay cash) or a “free” wellness visit at the OBGYN (billable at $250; ditto on cash option)? I’d save a minimum of the $750 a month (that’s $9000 in one year) that I used to pay in premiums & pay out of pocket for rest (that’s $400 yearly for those keeping track).

      • angienc says:

        BTW — nothing that I’ve written here should be taken by anyone else to mean I am encouraging anyone to *not* have insurance. I am speaking only for myself as I weigh my own options. Insurance is the same as gambling — you pay for it because you are betting you’ll need it; the insurance companies give you a policy because they are betting you will not. How much you are willing to spend on the bet that you’ll need the insurance is completely personal decision.

        In fact, unlike that $1400 a month/$5,000 deductible plan I discussed above, my insurance premium is not that much. Mine is $464 under ACA compliance rules (up from $325) plus double the co-pays (was $25; now $50 for regular doctor visits; now $180 for ER from $90) and a $5000 deductible (was $2,500). I’m actually willing to pay up to $500 a month “betting” I’ll need the insurance, so I’m OK with the premium by itself. It’s the premium plus that $5000 deductible that’s pushing me into the “have-a-16-showing-in-blackjack territory.” Not sure whether I should hit or stay.

        • The Klown says:

          Obamacare is NOT healthcare insurance. It’s a really bad form of socialized medicine.

        • angienc says:

          I know, Klown — I just want to make sure no one says “Fuck em! I’m going net free because angienc said it was the right thing to do!!” It is a case-by-case, personal decision & people need to weigh the pros & cons themselves.

        • 1539days says:

          Depends on where you live, too. In New York, they are less willing to negotiate because private plans are next to impossible and if you can’t pay, you are immediately encouraged to go on Medicaid.

  16. DandyTIger says:

    Just reading through new estimates and it’s cracking me up. So it looks like 15M with full time employment will lose insurance. 40-67% of self insured people (of 55M) will lose theirs. Let’s say that’s 30M. 10M+ will lose insurance because of job loss or full time hours loss. So we’re talking around 55M may lose insurance because of Obamacare. Add to that the 30M currently uninsured. So how are 85M supposed to sign up on the website by Dec 15?

    New prediction. Because of Obamacare, we’ll go from 30M uninsured to 60M uninsured. And best part, that could end up being a good thing. Insurance companies under the bus.

  17. helenk3 says:

    anybody read or seen anything on coal miners marching in DC today.
    I got a thing on facebook about it. did not hear one thing about it on the news

  18. The Klown says:
  19. helenk3 says:

    marches on DC in the last couple of months

    bikers
    truckers
    World War 2 Vets
    coal miners

    would not be surprised to see these marches soon

    food stamp recipients
    health insurance people who lost what they had

  20. The Klown says:

    What a load of crap!

    Obama, who like many presidents had no executive experience before taking office, has never pretended to care much about the details of governing. He prefers the big speech to congressional arm-twisting, the big reform to incremental change and the big foreign policy ambition to cultivating head-of-state relationships.

    • The Klown says:
    • t says:

      LOL, comical. They’re admitting that he’s a puppet.

    • angienc says:

      The assertion that “many presidents had no executive experience before taking office. . .” is patently bullshit. 17 were governors and 10 others were generals before becoming POTUS. Not even counting all the ones who were Colonels (a position that also involves executive experience), that is 27 of 44 — or MORE THAN HALF who have had executive experience before becoming POTUS.

  21. 1539days says:

    This is Barack Obama

  22. The Klown says:
  23. SHV says:

    “That is what makes sense. Pay Dr visits out of pocket, save the amount you would have spent on premiums in a health care savings account and after a couple of healthy years you would have enough to pay for a health disaster until you can sign up for insurance one you are sick.”
    *******
    I think that is what the “young and healthys are going to do. There is no real “fine/tax” for not having insurance if a person takes care not to over deduct taxes and Obamacare can act a the catastrophic insurance plan since they can’t penalize for illness and the person is covered from “day one” after applying. The “floor” on medical charges are the Medicare rates so a persons knows what is allowable if paying cash.

  24. The Klown says:

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