They Did It To Themselves

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Ian Welsh:

A brief note on why the progressive blog movement failed

In the early 2000s progressive blogging seemed like a big deal. At the first Yearly Kos, as it was called then, big name politicians came and kissed our ass. We were covered by major newspaper and TV outlets. Etc…

Today, we are nothing.

The reason is simple: we could not elect enough of our people. We could not instill sufficient fear. We could not defeat incumbents. We did not produce juice. Clark and Dean didn’t win the 2004 Presidential nomination. Dean was taken out in a particularly nasty fashion (via the manufactured Dean Scream.)

The turning point was when Joe Lieberman, though defeated in a primary, managed to be elected anyway. After the 2006 House capture by Democrats, Pelosi’s democrats betrayed the fundamental principles that the prog blogosphere stood for: they did nothing to stop the war, for example. The Prog blogosphere took it, and worse, most of the blogs that did come out against House Democratic Vichy behaviour, lost audience. (Yes, they did. I tracked this stuff carefully at the time.)

The nail in the coffin was the 2008 primaries. To put it simply, Obama bypassed the blogging gatekeepers. Commenters, whether free or bought (and yes, I believe many were on the payroll) capsized DKos and other major blogs. Obama did not need the gatekeepers, he simply bought out the movement. The bloggers were irrelevant. At least one major blogger acted as a conduit for Obama hits: was fed oppo, and put that oppo out there.

After 2008 everyone knew that they didn’t need prog-bloggers and that they didn’t really need to fear bloggers. (They may be annoyed by “Firebaggers”, they do not fear them.)

Unlike the Tea Party, most left wingers don’t really believe their own ideology. They put partisanship first, or they put the color of a candidate’s skin or the shape of their genitals over the candidate’s policy. Identity is more important to them than how many brown children that politician is killing.

So progressives have no power, because they have no principles: they cannot be expected to actually vote for the most progressive candidate, to successfully primary candidates, to care about policy first and identity second, to not take scraps from the table and sell out other progressive’s interests.

The Tea Party, say what you will about them, gets a great deal of obeisance from Republicans for one simple reason: they will primary you if they don’t like how you’ve been voting, and they’ll probably win that primary. They are feared. Progressives are not feared, because they do not believe enough in their ostensible principles to act on them in an effective fashion.


The comments and a related thread are both worth reading.

I disagree with Ian that 2006 was the turning point for the progressive blogosphere. Yes, Lieberman snatched victory away from them, but that was also the year that the Democrats re-took the House and Senate as well as six governorships. The progressive blogosphere played a role in that electoral tsunami, although not as big a role as they would have liked to claim.

The new Congress proved to be less enthusiastic and idealistic than the proggers wanted. They were dealt a huge blow to their morale when Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi declared that “Impeachment is off the table.” But they remained optimistic about capturing the White House in 2008.

That is when everything went wrong.

The first thing that happened didn’t really seem that bad at the time. Progressive bloggers started going professional. Some took jobs with the old media while others started building new media empires. In 2006 everybody was equal in the blogosphere. That was one of the attractions of blogging – anybody could start a blog and many did, or they started posting at group blogs like DailyKos. It was a meritocracy of ideas and persuasive arguments.

By 2008 some bloggers were more equal than others. The big bloggers became focused on self-promotion and brand identification. Blogrolls became exclusive clubs. Blogging was seen as a way to launch a career in the media or political consulting.

Then came the Great Purge of 2008. Suddenly it wasn’t enough that you had been a liberal Democrat for over twenty years, if you didn’t support Barack Obama you were denounced as a racist Republican ratfucker.

I had been arguing politics as a liberal in a conservative area for a long time. On occasion I attracted some less-than polite rebuttals. But I was never attacked as viciously or as frequently as I was attacked by Obama supporters.

There was no sense of camaraderie or fellowship like you might expect from members of your own party. It was scorched earth and defiled corpses. It was unhinged hatred combined with a kind of glee that reminded me of the description of Ravers in the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the unbeliever. I’m talking about Obots.

The progressive blogosphere became a war zone, and all the big bloggers either enabled the Obots by silence or joined with them. That schism has never healed.

Once upon a time the progressive bloggers called themselves “The reality-based community.” Nowadays they are just shills for Obama and the Democrats. And what have they got to show for it? Worst of all, they did it to themselves.

The Tea Party on the other hand is truly a populist movement with no official leaders. Sarah Palin is associated with the Tea Party but not with any particular group. They remain a bunch of rowdy idealists who stir up trouble by exercising their right to vote.


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125 Responses to They Did It To Themselves

  1. The Klown says:

    FTR: I have never received any financial or material compensation from blogging. I have never accepted one penny, nor any gifts or gratuities. No advertising either.

    And I won’t, because money changes everything.

  2. Awwww poor poor vile progs. {cue tiny violins}
    Sorry- I have no pity or sympathy for them. They became a horrible echo chamber spouting obama talking points. Reminded me of Lord of the Flies. Savages.
    Berating any and all who tried to shed any light, truth or dissenting opinion.
    I was never a Progressive. I did for the most part vote D. Then came 07/08 and I was exposed for the first time to the world of blogging and to the “progressive” movement.
    That year was the one that opened my eyes. I want nothing to do with people like that. Ever. It’s group think or don’t think. Not my style.
    Fuck progressives. In their own way they are as bad as radical muslims. Any sign of independence and it’s Off with your head.
    They can take that crap and go live somewhere else. Russia, Iran, Sweden. I don’t care. Just quit trying to remake my country into some progressive waste land.

    • votermom says:

      Honk!
      Progs are sorry now, are they?
      Well, they can KMA.

    • lyn says:

      Progressives are liberals gone bad.

    • Constance says:

      I keep getting phone calls to donate to Democrat funds and I keep telling them “I was put off by the blatant sexism of Democrats toward Hillary and Palin in 2008 and the fact that you have absolutely no idea what I’m talking about seals the deal for me.” No I will not give money to Democrats ever again. But I did give a lot to Hillary and later to McCain Palin.

      • angienc says:

        “I was put off by the blatant sexism of Democrats toward Hillary and Palin in 2008 and the fact that you have absolutely no idea what I’m talking about seals the deal for me.”

        Love this (especially the “boom” of the last part).

  3. t says:

    You forgot about the astroturfers, Obama’s hired guns pretending to be “grassroots”. They were a big part of the 2008 purge. They were the nasty Obots, or at least the leaders of same. Of course, all were enabled by the blog owners. Ian mentions them in his post. I think yours explains how things worked generally a whole lot better, even while it left that part out.

    • Lulu says:

      All Vile Progs are in it for something. Not a single one of them does it out of the goodness of their hearts. Rotten opportunists and stupid with it too. They are “Chads” saying they are signing up for exchanges while getting a stipend to happy blog in comments to crooked ass politicians on the take. When the Obots were overrunning the Dem party back in 2007-2008 every frigging one of them thought they were going to get jobs, influence or freebies. All of them. This is why the Obamacare scam is so damned funny to me. All of them are going to get screwed with either enormously huge premiums and deductibles or shit Medicaid. And they are scared. They were had by a two bit pol.

      • leslie says:

        Sadly, so will we be hit with those huge premiums. Today at the train station, there were people seeking signatures to get people on the ballot in the coming primaries. I let them know that I won’t vote for any incumbent, democrat or republican in the coming elections. The only people who will get my vote are the independents or he Teay
        Party candidates. There was a gasp from others on the platform when I mentioned the TP. I live in one of the most “liberal” areas of Illinois. You’d have thought I just admitted to killing JFK.

      • t says:

        Well, I’m going to get hit too and I don’t think it’s even the slightest bit funny.

  4. The Klown says:

    They tried to out Shep Smith with innuendo.

    • Lulu says:

      So? Idiots come in all stripes.

    • jeffhas says:

      Yawn.

      Poor Gawker.

    • angienc says:

      Look — I’ve never been asked if, nor have I ever volunteered, that I was straight. Why should gay people be *forced* to disclose anything that is nobody’s business but their’s (and their mate’s). In fact, *not* having to demonstrates equality — but sleazebuckets like the guy who runs/owns Gawker (himself openly gay) *want* to keep the inequality going/perpetuate the victimhood of gays.

      In the article, he says he does it to expose the “lies & hypocrisy” of Shep Smith. Um, Shep not disclosing what is no one’s business & which doesn’t interfere with this job is not “lying” and unless Shep is out there preaching *against* gays then it isn’t hypocrisy (assuming Shep is gay — I don’t care). So this scumbag doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

      If he wants a lesson in hypocristy thought, he should look at the fact that during the 2012 election he via the gawker website railed against Romney for having an investment in a Cayman Island corporation when gawker is, in fact, a Cayman Island corporation.

  5. driguana says:

    Great post, Klown. It does really come down to what one believes in, what information and facts support that reasoning, and who helps to secure and share those beliefs in a fair and respectful way.

    Recently, I’ve been changing the tenor of my conversations with progressives. I now ask them a few money related questions…fiscal related questions…like, do you save money?, do you carefully consider how your money will be spent? etc…..almost all of my close friends, regardless of political persuasion, are fiscally conservative…they hate when they realize this. Most of us tend to have some conservative points of view and some liberal ones. That, to me, is the big conundrum….we have diverse opinions but must adhere to stricter ideologies that don’t necessarily reflect that.

    Tough times.

    • Constance says:

      The thing is there is a common persons argument to be made for conservative ideas and policies, Republicans don’t have to be the party of Wall Street, but they have been and they seem to do everything in their power to not appeal to the common person. I guess they like their exclusive associations but being exclusive won’t get them elected.

      • angienc says:

        Don’t look now, but Obama & the Dems are the ones helping out Wall Street while everyone else gets poorer.

        The Dems are better at lying to make the average person think they are “their party” is the only on difference.

  6. The Klown says:

    Some people disagree with me:

    Things the Tea Party had that the “progressive blog movement” did not: An entirely approving 24-hour news network, plus a compliant network of “centrist” pundits all too willing to bow to pressure from that 24-hour news network to be less horribly liberal and consider “both sides” to issues like the fundamental humanity of women and morality of hideous torture and pre-emptive war.

    Also a publishing network which made people who otherwise would be screaming on soapboxes into “bestselling authors” who then received fawning profiles in national “news” magazines. Magazines, too, which supported such leading lights of modern thought as Jonah Fucking Goldberg, and a syndicated columnist base consisting of such brilliance and fierce compassion as Kathleen Parker. All of this was set up during the Reagan and Clinton years, while Democrats were still cowering in fear of having their pictures taken with Jane Fonda.

    All that existed before the first progressive blog ever lit up, and well before the Tea Party became a Bright New Light in American Politics. Their message gets reinforced every day, every hour, every minute, from a goddamn MEGAPHONE. It’s overwhelming, especially to low-info voters, which is most voters, because in case you hadn’t noticed this country is fucked and everybody’s working hella hard just to stay in cereal and hand-me-downs.

    • The Klown says:

      Progs think everyone who doesn’t agree with them is a “low-info” voter.

      • Lulu says:

        This is why they are so freaked out by tech world coming out and saying just how stupid THE MOST IMPORTANT WEBSITE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD roll out and architecture is. How can they attack the tech gods. So they attack the media who repeat what the tech world says. I’m waiting for them to say the tech gods don’t know anything because ….. they are stupid and jealous they didn’t get the ValJar graft contract to steal.

      • gxm17 says:

        That’s because they’re pretentious asshats. I couldn’t even make it through the posts and comments you linked because those fools just drone on and on without saying much of anything. It seems as if they have no actual ideas so they just throw a lot of words together and hope no one notices. Trying to slog through their word fogs gave me a headache.

        • votermom says:

          Totally agree. The comments are word fog soup.

        • wmcb says:

          Big thing in progland is the complete refusal to ever admit that any intelligent person simply disagrees with them. That persons other than themselves are thinking human beings who have both sincerity and logic of their own.

          So you end up with “they are all deceived/stupid/paid off/only watch Fox” etc etc.

          It’s really strange, because I see non-progs all the time saying “I think progs are just WRONG in what they expect their policies to accomplish, and here’s why.” But progs by and large don’t want to have that argument – they want to call you a stupid person with evil motives who is selfish.

    • everybody’s working hella hard just to stay in cereal and hand-me-downs

      Not everybody. And therein is half the problem. A significant portion of people who don’t work–if not the majority of them–are as low information as it gets. By design. Democratic design, that is.

    • Well first of all- what’s wrong with cereal and hand me downs? lol
      As for “an entirely approving 24 hours news network”?
      BWAHAHAHAHA! Cheese and Fucking RICE! All during the 08 all the so called news networks- CNN, MessNBC, ABC, CBS – ALL ALLL! were spewing obama ass kissing all day and night every god blessed day. And for the most part still do so.
      Wish these people would take a breath and open their eyes to reality. Without the likes of the infotainment empire fawning over a puppet Axelrove would not have been successful at getting that fake elected.

      • Lulu says:

        The cognitive dissonance hurts their little heads. Owie. Wah. Shut up. I think the media has been told everyone is going to be so busted paying the Danegeld that their will be no disposable income to pay for their advertisers crap thus no need for ads thus no need for pay media thus no salaries for soon be be ex-bots. Danegeld is an economy killer.

    • Constance says:

      Well if FOX is an “entirely approving 24 hour news network” for the Tea Party then MSNBC and eventually even CNN were “entirely approving 24 hour news networks” for the Progs.

  7. Jerome’s post (the linked one) is right about one thing in particular; the progs and libertarians (proportionally mostly male & young) are going to team up, likely for 2016. They are going to team up in another spectacular display of misogyny to beat Hillary Clinton, which they will. And honestly, I’m fine with it. I will hate the misogyny, which won’t be good, but the outcome will be the right one. Or as right as it can be. As I’ve expressed before, I do not trust Rand Paul one wit, but keeping Hillary–and thus Obama’s unbroken brand–out of office will be good for the country.

    There, I said it.

    • Lulu says:

      Agree 100%. I hope she plays coy and sucks the oxygen out of the room then decides last minute she doesn’t want to fool with it again. In retirement she writes books and lives at the beach or something. As long as she screws over the Dems then just walks off after killing time that others could be fundraising and organizing.

    • ROFL. The vile progs and the libertarians getting together huh? Oh juicy. Sort of like two horrible gangs coming together under a temporary flag of truce to beat a third horrible gang?
      Oh goodie. And what happens if they actually manage to run out the third gang?
      Hmmmm. Remember what happened when the Feds broke up the Mafia? I do. When the Mafia was strong- we did not have gangs of kids running around with guns. We did not have gangs of South Americans dealing drugs left right and center. The Feds went after the Mafia and a HUGE vacuum was created. The violence gets worse and worse. Intergang rivalry taking out innocent bystanders. Drive by shootings.
      Pass the popcorn.

    • elliesmom says:

      I think their “chosen one” is Elizabeth Warren, and I’m looking forward to seeing how they manage to differentiate between the two women. Warren is only two years younger than Clinton so age won’t be much of a factor. And Warren isn’t Sarah Palin in the looks department. I think Warren would be even more of a continuation of the Obama brand, including the lack of relevant experience for the job. At first I thought I was hearing rumblings about Warren’s running because I’m from MA, but I’m actually seeing her name pop up more from out of state media than from within MA. I thought I was desperate to see a woman elected president in my lifetime, but I’m not as desperate as I thought I was.

      • driguana says:

        That would be very distressing…that whole “Native American thing with her was unnerving to say the least.

        • elliesmom says:

          The Native American thing disturbs me, too, but it was a case of a “little lie” on a resume to get her a job she wanted turning into a “big lie” when she found herself on a bigger stage. Like a person saying he has a college degree when he’s 3 credits short to get an entry level job being outed when he’s up for a promotion to CEO. Don’t get me wrong. It was wrong, but there are bigger reasons to worry about Warren. She has the younger set believing she’s the best thing since sliced bread for their causes when she’s part of their problem. This woman was making $300,000+ a year to teach 6 hours a week, but they think she’s the one who will make college affordable for them. They can’t buy their first house, and Warren is going to make that happen for them. But she took very low interest loans from Harvard and loaned the money to her Oklahoma relatives at a much higher interest rates so they could buy homes in foreclosure and flip them making a lot of money for all of them – except the poor folks forced out of their homes. Warren says she’ll fight for the little guy, but she represented big companies fighting against paying out damages to people suffering from asbestos related diseases. She says she “helped them” by getting them their money sooner, but it was a hell of lot less money, and while she was doing this, she was practicing law without a license because the rules don’t apply to her. If I say anything against Elizabeth Warren on my Facebook page, make any “you didn’t build that” cracks, I get stomped on by all of my FB friends who are under 35, and I have a lot of FB friends who are under 35. She’s their hero. I’ve actually been “unfriended” for linking to an actual speech Warren made that contradicted what the “friend” thought Warren had said.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Sarah came to national attention because of her incredible accomplishments as a young wife, mom and public servant. Warren is no Sarah Palin, that’s for sure. SP was the gateway drug for most of us leaving the plantation and supporting conservatives, does EW have the power to bring us back? Uhm, no. 😉

        • trixta says:

          “when elections are rigged…no one is needed.”

          Bottom line, doesn’t matter who votes, but rather who counts the votes (or something like that). I’ve been saying all along that Warren will be the Progs choice in 2016.

    • Oh. And if they had not been so vile and turned themselves into the he-man woman haters’ club they would have 18 million more allies.
      Yup. They did it to themselves. Screw them all. Let all deh boyz try it. I won’t lift a finger to help any of them. Ever.
      Mom’s know. Sometimes you have to let the children fail. It’s how they learn.

    • Constance says:

      I totally agree, no way will Hillary ever get the Obot votes. They need another glorious leader and she lacks a penis and is too old to qualify. The only place many young male progs have dealt with women is in pornography or in college where the girl students decidedly out performed them. They simply can’t deal with real women.

  8. DeniseVB says:

    In my email this morning, the anti-war movement wants me to sign a petition/send money to get us out of Afghanistan and OFA wants money to help get out the Obamacare facts. Also, DailyKos wants to save Social Security, but I gotta send them money to help them “fight”.

    Proof, money is evil 😉

  9. The Klown says:

    Is it just me or does anyone else like fried mashed potatoes?

  10. DeniseVB says:

    This link contains a list of just how vile Obama is with the crap he pulled during the shutdown to hurt his oppo.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/29/new-normal-obamas-politics-oppression-and-lawlessness/

    Just change the name to Bush, would he have ever done this? If so, would the vile progs have tolerated it ? In vile prog world, EACH one of those bullets would have been an impeachable offense or the gates would have been torn down at the White House.

  11. The Klown says:

    The hearing started but I’m not gonna watch it.

    • The Klown says:

      C Span is a gateway drug.

      • The Klown says:

        Last week I watched almost 1 1/2 hrs of Fox News. One hour was the Krauthammer special and then 3 – 10 minute blocks of Megyn Kelly.

        I’ve gone entire years without watching that much TV news.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I stopped watching the hearings because I can’t take the Dems grandstanding anymore. They seem to accomplish nothing to move the discussions along. I’ll wait for the highlights 😀

      • Lulu says:

        Depending on how I am watching I mute or take out my headphones and get coffee, etc. McDermott is making a real ass of himself. Rangel sounded deranged. The Center for Medicare Medicaid lady has repeatedly refused to give any numbers of any kind. Then a Repub asked her what people are supposed to do when their coverage is cancelled and they can’t get on an exchange. Blah, blah you have until 03/31/14 to enroll. He said yeah but you got a real sick person in your family on 01/01/14 and no insurance for the first time ever. What to do? She got flustered and said call now! He said why the exchange is not working? What are people to do lady? No real answer.

        • Lulu says:

          Now Paul Ryan has her so confused she is stumbling around. All she wants to talk about is YOUNG people. The Broncobama adminstration has it on the brain. No one else counts but young people. He is hammering her on fucked up subsidies. More under 26 shit.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Thanks ! Sounds like Special Prosecuter time to cut to the chase and get these people under oath …. for every O’Fail since 2009 !

        • Lulu says:

          Ryan just accused the adm of trying to get under 26 year olds on the exchanges with subsidies even if they are eligible on parents. He told her that is illegal and asked why are they doing that. Apparently the exchange process doesn’t ask them if they are eligible for parents insurance. OY! They are trying to pad out the numbers illegally.

        • LOL. We are trying to figure out where my 25 yr old daughter fits in all this. She is no longer a student, does not live at home, married her wife in NY. Fed law says she can be covered until 26 if she is not married. PA law is a bit longer- and they do not recognize same sex marriage here.
          No clue if she is covered. Not covered.
          What a fine fine pickle.

        • Lulu says:

          That is a connundrum. Call the exchange! Just kidding. I guess the issue is if her relationship meets the criteria of married/unmarried according to her state exchange which would be predicated on her state of residence. My daughter was on our insurance until the waiting period was up on her employment and her own employer insurance kicked in. We had to call the insurer and tell them as we got a letter when she turned 22 and was in last year of college. They told us to call when she had her own insurance which was like 10 months later.

  12. DeniseVB says:

    This blew me away, just a blogger asked for Ocare stories and got slammed with the heartbreak …… doesn’t seem to be affecting the evil rich people at all. Where’s OWS when you need them…..

    http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/10/21/the-definitive-guide-to-how-obamacare-is-destroying-american-lives/

    • Lulu says:

      That is very well done. It is affecting everyone adversely even if they don’t know it yet. Many of the unintended (I think many are intended) consequences are not even visible yet. I think it will be repealed next year when the full horror becomes obvious.

    • wmcb says:

      I posted that on FB with some commentary. It’s so sad.

    • insanelysane says:

      Help.
      As I was reading the Mattwalsh blog when I dropped something on my keyboard.
      Suddenly the type face became very tiny. I can’t read it.

      Only that mattwalsh web site is affected. What did I do?
      Sorry, not too computer geeky,here.
      Anyone help?

  13. Lulu says:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/insurers-tell-congress-beware-rate-shock-if-obamacare-enrollment-extended
    “The proposal to extend the open enrollment period, which has been endorsed by 10 Democratic senators, is a reaction to the well-documented problems with HealthCare.gov in its opening month. With many people having trouble applying for insurance through the website, and the administration setting a Nov. 30 deadline for the site to be fully functional, the senators say people need more time to sign up for coverage. The enrollment period is scheduled to end March 31. The senators haven’t asked for a specific new end date yet.

    But expect to start hearing a significant amount of pushback from the industry, with a message focused on the fact that insurance premiums could skyrocket in 2015 if the enrollment period is extended.”

    The insurers want their captive customers that they were promised and they want them NOW! The Democrats were bought and the insurance companies demand they stay bought.

    • wmcb says:

      They were hoping to get everyone roped in quickly before anyone realized that they’d been had. Before the true costs became evident.

      I learned long ago in life to NEVER make big financial decisions or purchases under pressure and the heavy sell. Whether a house, a car, or a gym membership, “YOU GOTTA SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE RIGHT NOW THIS MINUTE!!!!” is almost always a precursor to being had.

      • Lulu says:

        That is why the enormous implosion of the website which was so integral to the scam (razzle-dazzle) going tits up is has delayed it long enough to disclose just how dishonest and fraudulent it all is. It was supposed to be a done deal, already set up, you got no choice, settled law, we won you lost, etc. It is the biggest irony that the key part of the sting was screwed up by crooked contracts probably negotiated with nepotism by the old scammer ValJar. The “vacuous cipher” herself appears to be the weakest link.

    • Lulu says:

      This dope from CMMS is still insisting that premiums are going down. She is talking about after subsidy premiums. She acts like the subsidies are magic or something. Who brainwashed these people. The insurers are getting a windfall.

      • insanelysane says:

        Subsidy = taxplayer dollars not going to the Treasury, but instead going to the Insurers.
        Big bonuses all around if you are an Insurance CEO.

  14. wmcb says:

    Some in the comments are whining that the TeaParty is successful because of big money, period. Making excuses that progs aren’t lacking in principle, just big donors.

    Ian shoots that right out of the water with his reply:

    If money was the primary determinant then mainstream Republicans would crush Tea Partiers, not the other way around.

    • LOL I would not have been so polite. I would have replied
      SOROS!

      • The Klown says:

        Who raised and spent more money last year, Obama or Romney?

        A: Obama

        Who raised and spent more money in 2008, Obama or McCain?

        A: Obama by a lot.

        • insanelysane says:

          Who campaigned on his Campaign Finance creds? How he was going to take the fed amount and McCain said yes, he too would.
          Get the money out of politics….yada,yada,yada.
          Who did and who didn’t?

          Lying from the start.

  15. Constance says:

    Well my premiums and co-pays have been going up in anticipation of Obama care for 4 years. So why when Obama care hits do they need to go up again?

    • insanelysane says:

      Mine too. Early 2010, after O signed Ocare, Anthem sent 40% increase notices. They were called out on it and pulled back…
      for a awhile.

      It went up three times since then, 17% and again 12% and it is now over 40% higher for me.

  16. helenk3 says:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/healthcaregov_has_a_big_edi_problem.html

    another problem with the healthcare rollout.
    transmitting info to insurance companies

  17. wmcb says:

  18. helenk3 says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/29/sandy-victims-still-suffering-money-still-not-paid-out-and-look-who-is-involved/

    CGI in charge of money for Sandy victims. many still have not gotten any of the money due them.

    maybe a major investigation of the ties between this company and the backtrack bunch is in order.

  19. CNN had some guy on- I was only half paying attention. Its back to W.O.R.M. now.
    Apparently when teh once said if you like your insurance you could keep it, he wasn’t talking about self insured people. Only about employer based insurance. (and let’s not forget all the big company/union waivers. That must be WORM!)

  20. helenk3 says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/28/Dems-Want-Refund-From-Contractors-That-Built-Obamacare-Website

    dems must be running scared. now some are asking for a refund from CGI over the obamacare website fail

  21. wmcb says:

  22. helenk3 says:

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/draining-the-swamp-top-40-troubling-listings-from-the-obamacare-navigatorassister-security-nightmare/?singlepage=true

    40 troubling listings from the navigatorassister security nightmare

    question
    if someone gives their info to get obamacare, and one of these navigator sells it to a terrorist to establish identification is the government liable tor the expenses of clearing their name and any damage to them because of the hired government agents actions?

  23. wmcb says:

    From a facebook discussion on a friend’s page. Discussing like-minded communities, and going semi-off-grid, which jumped off from a post on Mike Rowe (Dirty Jobs guy) and useful skills.

    I tend to gravitate to people who can think. THINK. Oddly enough, that is not always the most formally educated. (Though sometimes it is.) I’m not anti-education, at all. What I am is **anti-credentialism**. Formal education is a tool, nothing more. If you are making a bad or stupid argument, waving your profusion of letters in my face does not impress me one whit. Make a coherent argument, asshole. Telling me the Education Guild has given you their imprimature and thus you are an Authority and one of the Intellectually Beautiful People is not an argument. It’s a credential. And?

    • wmcb says:

      One of the hallmarks of a truly intelligent person, who knows their field inside and out? They can explain something to the common, average person in a way that’s understandable. When you know your shit, you can often break it down for Joe Sixpack. If you can’t, it may be a sign that you are just regurgitating big words and received phraseology, and understand bupkis.

    • wmcb says:

      BTW, this was one of Bill Clinton’s strengths. Whether you agreed with him or not, he was VERY good at explaining complex policy to Joe Sixpack without being patronizing. To the point where something clicked, and Joe “got it”, and understood the basics of what Bill was trying to do.

      It’s a mark of very high intelligence to be able to do that.

    • t says:

      This part is funny:

      Asked by another reporter how repeated statements by Obama to the contrary weren’t “misleading,” Hoyer said “I don’t think the message was wrong. I think the message was accurate. It was not precise enough…[it] should have been caveated with – ‘assuming you have a policy that in fact does do what the bill is designed to do.’”

      Um, the whole point of the bill was to save us because our “subpar” insurance doesn’t do what the bill was designed to do…

      Obots would buy this. People with any sense at all would not.

  24. helenk3 says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/10/unreal-obama-on-sandy-anniversary-we-take-care-of-our-own-we-leave-no-one-behind/

    unreal

    backtrack on Sandy anniversary ” we take care of our own, we leave no one behind.

    I can think of at least 4 names that refute that statement

  25. helenk3 says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/29/pathetic-sebelius-to-blame-contractors-for-obamacare-website-woes-not-hhs/

    sebelius to blame contractors for obamacare website woes not HHS.

    under the bus she will go. she forgot the commandment

    DO NOT BLAME VALJAR AND FRIENDS FOR ANYTHING THAT GOES WRONG

  26. votermom says:

  27. The Klown says:

    Sean Penn is a good Marxist.

  28. trixta says:

    [cross posted] Suzanne Somers doesn’t like Obamacare:

    [….]
    “Boomers are smart. They see the train wreck coming… most I speak with think the Affordable Care Act is a greater Ponzi scheme than that pulled off by Bernie Madoff.”

    ogs.wsj.com/experts/2013/10/28/suzanne-somers-the-affordable-care-act-is-a-socialist-ponzi-scheme/

  29. votermom says:

    Obamacare is raising my blood pressure, I swear.
    Be back later.

  30. votermom says:

    AYFKM?

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  32. foxyladi14 says:

    Madoff did not FORCE any one to participate. 👿

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