“Disingenuous Democrat” is Redundant


Mediaite:

Megyn Kelly Hammers Dem Rep. Over Obamacare: ‘Why Do You Get to Decide What’s Lousy?’

Democratic congressman Frank Pallone is getting his fifteen minutes of fame after his now-infamous “monkey court” comment last week, and on Wednesday night it brought him to Fox News, where he got in a heated exchange with Megyn Kelly over people losing their “lousy” health insurance plans due to Obamacare regulations.

Pallone argued that people can keep their policies as long as insurance companies agree to sell them, but many of them have been caught selling “lousy plans at a high price that are skeletal and don’t provide any benefits.”

Kelly shot back that a lot of other policies are being cancelled because “regulations imposed on them by Obamacare left them with no choice.” Pallone said, “That is absolutely not true!” They fought for a while, with Kelly charging that any changes in health insurance policies at all would render them null and void.

Pallone said nobody’s going to buy lousy policies at high prices, but Kelly shouted, “They were buying them!” He kept going on about these “lousy” plans and she asked, “Why do you get to decide what’s lousy?”


How the f**k do you cancel plans that nobody is buying? If nobody was buying them then they wouldn’t have to cancel them! And so far I haven’t seen any reports (even from the Kool-aid media) citing cases of people who got better plans at cheaper rates.

“Pallone” must be the New Jersey spelling of “Pinocchio”.


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24 Responses to “Disingenuous Democrat” is Redundant

  1. The Klown says:

    The view from inside the punchbowl:

    EconWatcher says:
    October 30, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Is it just me, or are we really taking a shellacking?

    I was energized after we won the shutdown, and looking forward to torturing them with immigration reform. Instead, we’ve got these “own goals” with the website glitches and the promise that you can keep your own plan, which does seem like it should have been worded a lot more carefully.

    Someone talk me down. But this stuff seems like a pretty big deal that could stick.

    BGinCHI says:
    October 30, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    @EconWatcher: We are definitely getting killed among the low info morans who don’t know anything except what Fox and CNN tell them. Worse, I’ll bet you there are people all over signing up for cheaper health care who have not gotten even the slightest bit more inclined to agree that Obama and the Dems are doing something important and positive.

    Greg says:
    October 30, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    @EconWatcher:

    It’s all in how many people are paying attention. The Republicans looked horrible in front of lots and lots of people (the shutdown got beyond people who follow politics and even beyond people who watch/read national news).

    The Obama Admin now looks bad only to those people who are paying attention to politics, and primarily, only to those people paying attention to politics who have already internalized right-wing frames. They aren’t changing many, if any, minds here.

    Another Bostplainer says:
    October 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    @EconWatcher: No reporting on the worthless policies people have been buying for years that basically don’t cover anything.

    piratedan says:
    October 30, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    @EconWatcher: there is some of that going on, but this is just the beginning stages of the pushback against the GOP/MSM narrative. Not saying or glossing over the issues, but they’re not insurmountable by any means. The MSM has done their normal stellar job of allowing the GOP talking points to be introduced first and step out onto the stage and simply accept them at face value. When have we seen this before? ummm all the time? The website is working in places where there was interest in making it work. Other places, it’s more difficult because so many states decided that they weren’t going to help out, most likely because those poor people don’t vote GOP anyways (if they’re paying attention) and those that remain willfully obstinate will vote GOP too. Yet the word is getting out there, as far as I know the paper and phone processes are working and guess what, those registrations are just as valid as the ones made thru the website. GOP obstructionism is here to stay (at least until 2014) so we’ll continue to see the usual grandstanding and obtuseness and incivility to any and all things that they choose to associate with the current administration.

    • Lulu says:

      They have entered into the realm of fantasy. Bots are making shit up because they do NOT know how ANYTHING works. They know NOTHING practical. I am always surprised when one of them manages somehow to feed themself.

      Basically the exchange markets cannot work because nothing that the federales do is functioning. The insurers cannot process jack shit because none of the interfaces, verifications, etc that come from the fed data bases work. NONE OF IT. 30 or 40 year old sole purpose legacy mainframe systems like SSA and IRS are not going to interface with shit code that CGI comes up with. They STOLE open source code without attribution to pad out the bill. They put 500 million lines of shit code together to jack up the fee. Their stuff never works. Ask Canada.

    • Lulu says:

      “The website is working in places where there was interest in making it work.”
      All the state operated exchanges are doing is adding Medicaid beneficiaries. That is it. And I doubt that anything verifying their eligibility has been completed. Any “stories” of people signing up for cheap subsidized insurance are anecdotal, extremely small numbers and I suspect processed manually by the state officials and/or insurance carriers to carry water for Obama-land.

      The scope of the cluster-fuck is just coming into focus. I am enjoying the co-conspirator insurance industry getting blamed because they wanted the “captive” market, cancelled policies so more expensive ones could be substituted, and IRS enforcers. They are going to have to make a super human effort to by-pass Obama-care or loose customers forever to a more nimble carrier. Obama promised them the moon if he were elected and all they got was WH thug threats, blame, bad PR and a fiscal death spiral. Dance with the devil and go to hell.

    • angienc says:

      Lord have mercy, these nasty, vindictive, pathetic people actually believe — down to the fiber of their beings — that they are “smarter” than us.

      “moran” heal thyself.

  2. t says:

    Pallone argued that people can keep their policies as long as insurance companies agree to sell them, but many of them have been caught selling “lousy plans at a high price that are skeletal and don’t provide any benefits.”

    Actually, that’s what plans have BECOME under Obamacare. In order for individual plans to cover every freaking thing under the earth, the premiums would have had to be HUGE. So to make them “affordable” the plans are now configured so they pay absolutely nothing unless you’re hospitalized. Oh, but we get “preventive care” which is CHEAP. But hope like heck they don’t find anything.

    The plans are junk now. We, on the individual market, are being robbed blind by this law.

    • Lulu says:

      It is spreading to the group market too. Premiums, deductibles, co-pays are all going up in employer and trade group plans for 2014 but no press on it. The individual market is gettting hit the hardest for 2014 but others are being affected adversely too and their turn is 2015 (notices and plans in fall 2014).

      • t says:

        I know. My brother’s deductible was doubled. He’s seeing a doc now that he probably won’t be seeing at all next year because he can’t afford to pay the double deductible. And he doesn’t work for some tiny po-dunk company. He works for an enormous multi-national snack conglomerate.

        I’m shocked that there’s been no press on the corporate plans. I suspect it’s because numerous folks in the media are free-lancers themselves and buy their own insurance. It’s similar to how we always hear about airline travel problems. It’s because the media travel.

        But individuals are being hit the hardest, because as I said, we carved ourselves niches. Those niches aren’t available to us anymore.

        • t says:

          But I should mention that my brother’s hideous deductible is just a tad less than the one I USED to have before Obamacare.

        • Lulu says:

          Well the individual market was selected to get people used to it as in boiling the frog. It is only 5%, they don’t really count, they have shit insurance, they are stupid, who cares about them, it is for their own good, sit down and shut up, we know best cause we are smarter than you, etc. Next year when it hits many more people it will be the 5% lived through it so quit your bitchin.

    • trixta says:

      The skeletal aspect in O’care rests not only with higher premiums, but especially with the exorbitant deductibles. If you wind up paying 3-10 times more for premiums under O’care with 5,000-12,000 deductibles — deductibles you will not reach in any given year (even if you could afford it!) — then you are paying for skeletal health insurance. O’care is just another cynical scheme for forcing a newer, shinier version of junk health insurance on the public.

  3. t says:

    Requiring blanket coverage like these plans require is a little like making every citizen of the country carry home owner’s insurance for every possible circumstance that anyone in the country could possibly face.

    It is the equivalent of requiring people who live on the top of a mountain to carry flood insurance. The effect is that home owners’ insurance would be unaffordable unless the good coverage they previously had for their REAL risks like mud slides was cut to a minimum.

    And when homes are destroyed by mud slides, and the insurance covers nothing, the Democrats would say, “well at least they had flood insurance!”

    But I’m sure Democrats would be screaming to the rooftops about how unfair that is. And they would be right.

    People on the individual market had to carve out a niche to make insurance affordable. What this dumb and evil law has done is it’s taken away that niche. And it’s made the plans worse in the process.

    The subsidized plans on the Exchange are even more hideous than those outside of the Exchange. Yes, they cover a wide swathe of conditions…that is if you can find a doctor who will accept the plans and if you have a car so you can drive 25 miles to a hospital. The doctor coverage is hideous.

    And Obama says, “shop around for another policy.” Well it is a myth perpetuated by our liar in chief that we have insurance choices in this country. The reality is that the policies are all offered by the same 3-4 insurance companies, and, in some states, by the same ONE insurance company. And the law locked the plans into Bronze, Silver and Gold so there’s no real shopping available.

    And then some of the idiots trying to justify the scorched earth destruction they’ve encountered, say, well it only affects 5% of the population. Well if that’s true, if we don’t matter because we were only 5% of the market, then why the Fvck didn’t they just LEAVE US ALONE. And besides that, it doesn’t just affect us. It affects us, plus everyone else who will be forced to carry insurance now whether the plans are GARBAGE or not. It will affect every person who is shoved off real employer plans and onto garbage plans. And they are. G.A.R.B.A.G.E.

    The Democrats DESTROYED the individual health insurance market and I hope with any luck that they will be similarly D.E.S.T.R.O.Y.E.D.. And I hope the destruction begins next Tuesday.

    • t says:

      *ugh. I hate that I can’t edit my comments. I suck at editing when I’m mad. Somehow pressing “post comment” clears my mind tho.

      • Somebody says:

        I liked your rant T and I agree with you.

        As to the f*ckface from NJ, what a douche. My hubby is a very laid back guy, Mr. Mellow. He doesn’t watch news or opinion type shows except once in a blue moon. Last night when we were heading to bed he went into the family room to switch the TV back to satellite and turn it off. The satellite just happened to be on Fox and this segment with Megyn was coming on (actually 12am rebroadcast).

        Anyway hubby ended up watching the whole thing. This morning he was railing about Pallone, LOL! He’s also in a crabby mood, no more Fox news for hubby.

  4. trixta says:

    On October 29th (Tues. @ 13:50 minutes into the show [Hulu]) “The View” had Health Policy Expert Betsy McCaughey (author of “Beating Obamacare”) who explained O’care thusly: The Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum plans contain basically the SAME coverage; the difference lies in HOW you pay for your plan through premiums and deductibles. It’s a ONE SIZE FITS ALL scheme, whose minimum coverage has been determined by the state, rather than the individual consumer. To paraphrase, it’s like buying an airline ticket to only ONE destination, but paying for it according to a Bronze, Silver, Gold, or Platinum plan. Or, it’s like buying a Cadillac with all the bells and whistles, although you actually prefer (and can only afford) a Honda with no belles and whistles. She advises seniors to make sure they line up their Internist and Cardioligist NOW.

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