Government Lies and Secrecy are Incompatible with Democracy


Conor Friedersdorf at The Atlantic talks about one of my pet peeves:

Stop Acting Like It’s Okay When Our Leaders Deliberately Mislead Us

Can we at least agree that the American people deserve the truth? That governing ourselves requires getting accurate information from the people who we elect? That their function is to represent us? And that they have no right to lie or mislead?

Opposing mendacity ought to be a no-brainer.

What I see instead is a mainstreaming of the notion that it isn’t a big deal for a political candidate, an elected official, or an appointee to lie or deliberately mislead.

President Obama knew his rhetoric about the Affordable Care Act was misleading, and that many people who bought insurance on the individual market would be forced to get new policies when Obamacare made their policies illegal. The Chicago Tribune’s Clarence Page thinks that Obama knowingly lied, but he isn’t that upset about it, because “that’s one of those political lies, you know.”


One of the things that makes Vile Progs vile is their attitude towards the truth. It is similar to taqiyya, the Islamic practice of deceiving unbelievers.

Government lies and secrecy are incompatible with democracy. Democracy is premised upon the idea of an informed citizenry voting for what is in the best interests of themselves and the nation. The goal is government by consensus.

That model cannot work if the citizens are deliberately lied to or kept in the dark. Yes, there will always be “low-info” voters who will be swayed by demagogues to vote against their own interests. Stupid people will always be with us. (God loves stupid people, that’s why he made so many of them.)

A government run solely by the “elites” is a government of conceit – a conceitocracy. It is based on the premise that I can run your life better than you can. Father knows best.

The so-called elites define membership as “us”, and then begin to narrow the definition of “us” until democracy becomes aristocracy and then turns to oligarchy and finally tyranny.

We live in what is supposed to be a constitutional republic founded on democratic ideals. I’d kinda like to keep it. Lies and secrecy are a poor foundation for any government.


And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. – John 8:32


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62 Responses to Government Lies and Secrecy are Incompatible with Democracy

  1. The “Master of the Plantation” always believed he knew best, too.

    • The Klown says:

      From the comments:

      Excuse me, but we have a generation of young people who learned that oral sex is not sex. So a lot of young girls pleasured a lot of barely washed young boys with their mouths. Consequently, we have a lot of young girls today who have some interesting oral STD’s that they can’t get rid of because they listened to Clinton and believed him. Thanks to Clinton, we saw the devaluation of the POTUS in the eyes of many Americans. You may want to think of Clinton as some kind of elder statesman, but to many of us, he is a liar who abused a girl young enough to be his daughter. He made the office of the POTUS his personal bordello.

      Obama’s lies will diminish us in tangible ways beyond their impact wrt our global standing on us. Clinton’s lies coarseness the nation morally, and our children are still paying the price for it.

      Both Clinton and Obama are huge liars. In both cases, their lies will have a lasting and ongoing impact on the young, especially, and on the wider nation as a whole.

      vagaries of deception is perhaps a more descriptive title for these two.
      clinton was a serial harasser and perhaps even a rapist.
      and the media loved him.
      seems whores like whores.

      I lived thru the Nineties and I stayed sober the entire time the Big Dawg was in office. The media hated him. They still do.

      • jeffhas says:

        Yeah… WMD’s

        They all lie…. And they should be held accountable for the damage they cause… And I suppose not all consequences of lying are equal.

      • Lizzy says:

        I think blaming the sexual revolution on Bill Cllinton is a bit of a stretch. The Oval Office has accommodated many a womanizer.

    • I understood the likeable scalawag factor in play when Dems continued supporting BC during his inglorious years. I also thought some in the GOP were ridiculously over the top and hypocritical. But I still thought the general acceptance and approval of Bill’s indiscretions would some day come back and bite us in the butt. And now today we have huge chunks missing.

  2. votermom says:

    I wish we could sue politicians for breach of contract.
    Specially like this, when it’s documented that they were lying to us.

  3. DandyTIger says:

    The Obots just can’t stop with the insane lies. Look at the comments to the Atlantic article. It isn’t really a lie because the policies were junk. Or it isn’t lying because the insurance companies are evil. Etc. They can’t even get past the kool-aid fog to grapple with such a simple concept.

  4. John Denney says:

    Anthony Weiner complained that he would have won the election if it hadn’t been for the internet.
    Well, duh. It comes under the heading, “freedom of speech”.

  5. DeniseVB says:

    Meanwhile, over at Vile Prog Central, these are the headlines “they don’t want me to miss” at dKos. Otherwise known as the alternative universe. Really, they have nothing better to write about ?

    Phallic-shaped church to get fig leaf by Jen Hayden

    Jon Stewart blasts Republicans for sheer idiocy in Obamacare hearings by BruinKid

    A congressman’s new interpretation of the Fourth Amendment by Joan McCarter

    The scariest Republican Halloween costume ever by Susan Gardner

    Chuck Hagel throws gauntlet down… by Nebraskablue

    BREAKING: 2nd Circuit reinstates stop & frisk, reprimands and removes Judge Scheindlin. Updates. by jpmassar

    Rand Paul dismisses plagiarism charges, possibly because he does not know what it is by Hunter

    Disturbing prior incident comes to light involving deputy who killed Andy Lopez by Steveningen

    House Republicans announce how many days they’ll work next year (hint: not very many) by Jed Lewison

    Krystal Ball: Greg Abbott makes Wendy Davis Texas governorship possible by Egberto Willies

    Paul Ryan starts budget negotiations by going after Social Security and Medicare by Laura Clawson

    Daily Kos is like reading a newspaper a year in advance by kos

    • When one is dangling from a rope hanging from a helicopter hovering over an active volcano it is important one’s necktie be correctly aligned with one’s shirt-buttons. EVERYBODY knows that!

  6. votermom says:

    OT
    My kid’s AP history teacher has a Gadsden flag on the classroom wall. Heh.

  7. insanelysane says:

    When Obama lied about Rezko and Rev Wright, it was no big surprise to me when Obama voted FOR Patriot act after promising to Fillibuster it!! June 2008 as Senator.

    The vile progs defended those lies as necessary to elect him.
    So, now he’s POTUS & what did anyone expect?
    Did they expect truth honesty and backbone now?

    I am amazed that there are still Americans who are now just figuring him out.

    That bunch is a very gullible group.
    I know a few of them.

    • jeffhas says:

      He had a chance to impress me on the Telecom Immunity legislation. He did not disappoint me, I already knew he was a snake… He must’ve known that even if he had impressed me with a different vote I still wouldn’t have voted for him – but at least he would’ve been able to impress me once.

    • leslie says:

      Actually, he lost me the first time when all those sealed divorce records of every one of his opponents were magically unsealed and they kept withdrawing from the US Senate race. I still cannot understand why more people didn’t have more questions. But then they were probably kept out of the debates, etc.
      He then really lost me when he lied to his older AA volunteers telling them he had to “let them go” because he wasn’t allowed to have volunteers working in his campaign – that he had been ordered to pay his workers – and that he knew these SS recipients’ benefits would be affected by taking cash. He then, of course, took on young, college educated, mostly non-AA workers paid and unpaid. This before he had even announced. All those volunteers who had done so much work for him in local and state campaigns were thrown under the bus before there even was a bus.

  8. DeniseVB says:

    Ms Hillary has a new charity/non-profit/LegUpForChelsea group. Ceiling Cracks or something?

    http://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/no-ceilings-full-participation-project

    I think I’m on my last nerve with her.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Facepalm, just realized, Chelsea Clinton is the Melissa Rivers of politics, both are untalented and would have never known their names had they not had famous families. And that’s not their fault either. Feeling so sorry for both young ladies now as the dysfunction continues 😦

    • That’s no charity. That’s a marketing campaign to get in front of the coming sexism when she declares. Good luck with that, Mrs. Clinton.

  9. The Klown says:

    I was experimenting with my crack pot today. It’s supposed to be teriyaki beef and rice. It’s more like teriyaki rice pudding.

    Not one of my better concoctions.

  10. The Klown says:
  11. DandyTIger says:

    A clown with a voice.

  12. DeniseVB says:
  13. helenk3 says:

    when the video becomes available is it a must see

    Judge Jeanine’s opening statement rips backtrack a new one

    I want her for attorney general

  14. helenk3 says:

    MYIQ
    you must be doing something wrong. you were not on the banned list from reddit

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/11/02/reddit-politics-bans-weasel-zippers/

  15. The Klown says:

    My mom calls and says “Did you change your clocks?”

    “Why? Did they poop?”

    “That’s not funny!”

  16. If you think about it, ValJar’s Twitter is pretty telling as to who runs the WhiteHouse

  17. Twitter handle, ‘scuse me.

  18. She probably got all PO’d at @Hillaryis44 when it was simply hillaryis44.org and thought “not so fast”. I have NO DOUBT she sees herself s the REAL first woman President.

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