Sunday Morning Open Thread


Apparently I missed Guy Fawkes Night again. That’s the night when you put on masks and beat up Catholics or fight Zionism by boycotting Israel or something.

It looks like France blocked Munich Pact II, Chuck Todd thinks Obama is in denial, and contrary to earlier reports the Tea Party isn’t dead yet.

Last but not least, it turns out that Obama lied when he said “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor” too.

This is an open thread.


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40 Responses to Sunday Morning Open Thread

  1. Pitt apparently Guy Fawked them Catholics for you, so no sweat. And who’d believe da Fwench would be all manly all of a sudden?

  2. driguana says:

    This Vanity Fair article has been around on a number of sites…but in case you missed it, it’s a good read…

  3. Lulu says:
    “At the same time, the White House trusted its own policy and political teams rather than bringing in outsiders with more experience putting in place something as technically challenging as and the infrastructure to support it.

    “Officials at the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services repeatedly expressed doubts that the computer systems for the federal exchange would be ready on time, but they said that neither they nor their contractors had recommended a delay in opening the exchange. Political and policy teams at the White House insisted on pushing ahead without delay, they said.”

    So…… the WH doesn’t want to hear from any peons. The policy shop of academics and the political shop who are in WH are all in a perpetual circle jerk and group think. Now they are only concerned with covering their asses while protecting paying off cronies. “But aides said they did not expect Mr. Obama to let up on his staff any time soon.” So now he has resorted to nagging about his looking bad. I want to be sick with the elitism and narcissism of these asses.

    • So on which would you rely to do the best job? A,dentist with almost five full years of experience? Or a dentist with one month of experience 58 times? Amateur Hour is killing us.

  4. Lulu says:
    The health insurers are trying to fix the website. And it appears the WH is drifting towards handing it over to them. SOP if you look at their Syria mess and walking away after handing over to Putin. The insurers have pushed for Obamacare from the beginning for a government mandated windfall for them. The main point of contention seems to be that the insurers want to keep any erroneous overpayment of subsidies but still be able to demand any underpayments. Can this become any more fascist?

    • The only way Insurance Exchanges work well for consumers is with competition. The marketplace keeps them lean and mean. That small IInconvenient Fact drives Progs and Socialists mad, so they try to “invent” rules to mimic the marketplace. THAT logic fail – that a dead body can somehow successfully stand up and walk from LA to San Fran – dooms
      them forever.

      • Lulu says:

        I am not sure they even understand what a marketplace is. They think a website is a marketplace but it really is only “marketing”. They don’t know the difference. I read an article where Obama wanted an “iPod” government like an iPod was a magic bean. So many people do not understand that computers, systems, websites are simply TOOLS. If you do not know how to use your tool you cannot do anything with it. My analogy is sewing. I see people (mostly women) buy needlepoint, sewing machines, quilting machines, etc and have no clue what to do with them. They think by buying the damn thing that they will magically make a quilt or designer garment or a petit point rug. No one wants to “master” anything anymore. I see the same thing in this WH who are ignoramuses and filled with magical thinking.

  5. elliesmom says:

    Prayer has never been banned in school. Kids can pray anywhere anytime they want, and some of them do. What has been banned is forcing a teacher to lead a group of students in a prayer he or she may not believe in and forcing a student to participate in that same prayer. But praying silently (or quietly) by yourself is not against the law. And some of the prayers the kids offer involve pentagrams because it’s kewl. You can also drop your score on the national science test from Advanced to Proficient by answering a question about the extinction of the dinosaurs by saying God thought they were evil and wouldn’t let Noah take them on the Ark, and no one arrests you. It just makes your teacher sad.

  6. (starting new para for added small screen space)
    1539days: One way it’s depressed is thru obscene cost and requirements of higher ed. Another way to tell it’s depressed is the proliferation of foreign born/trained doctors in the US.
    Good and valid reasons exist for both, but artificially depressed is part of it.

    • 40 miles east of Klown is a remote but growing community of several thousand who’s former 24-/7 e-med clinic is now only open 1 day a week for 8 hours – because all the local doctors retired or died, and no new ones can afford the quiet life of a small town doctor anymore..

    • 1539days says:

      I could argue that the rush of foreign doctors is a sign they don’t want to be part of the socialized medical systems in their home countries. There’s also the increase in nurse practitioners and physicians’ assistants who act in the place of doctors.

      What you’re arguing is that medical school tuition (and acceptance standards) create a high barrier to entry. Even if that’s true, what’s coming out of medical schools is not ideal. For any low-cost medical system to work, there has to be a large number of primary care physicians or GPs. This is not happening because the barrier to start and maintain a small business is too high. You can’t make any money in medicine unless you’re a specialist.

      • Yep, that’s all true. Son is tryjng to start a business. Already has a seasonal one in another state. New one in CA is looking iffy b/c CA requires much higher (expenive) startup standards than the other. The business is the same. Fishing. How hard should it be?

      • You can’t make any money in medicine unless you’re a specialist.

        This sorta proves the point. There are positions needing filling, it’s just that the artificially controlled medical marketplace is underpaying one segment to the point it is no longer sustainable.

        • 1539days says:

          I agree with that. Medicare and Medicaid have made doctor’s visits cheap for patients, but unaffordable for the doctors who aren’t specialists.

        • wmcb says:

          It’s not that you “can’t make any money” as a GP. You can make a pretty nice living, actually. It’s that you can’t make enough to make it worth the enormous time, education, and stress-level investment.

          That’s the rub. Becoming a doc and practicing is an extremely high-stress, high-commitment occupation. It takes ego, because you are quite literally taking life and death on your shoulders. It takes the ability to live with “I can be sued for millions every damn day, and almost certainly WILL be at some point, regardless of how careful I am.” (Over 80% of docs are sued multiple times in their careers.) If you can make as much or more in other endeavors, with less stress and headaches, people will choose that rather than medicine.

          Any way you cut it, the marketplace doesn’t lie. What you or I think is a “good living” for a doctor is irrelevant. The question is, is it enough to make it worth the demands, to the real live human beings making choices? If yes, you have plenty of docs. If not, you won’t. Or if you do, it won’t be the best and brightest and sharpest, but those who “want to serve” or some such shit.

      • Constance says:

        I’ve been in Group Health a local co-op for 30 years and I am very happy with it. They use a lot of health care professions besides doctors. My kids were born in their hospital so Group Health knows they are regular healthy kids for that reason they never had a pediatrician they had a family doctor. When I called for appointments for strep throat check, ear infection, head lice, warts, weirdest diaper rash ever, mono, chickenpox, I got a same day appointment with a nurse practitioner because those are not serious health problems in a normal kid. When they vaccinate for flu they email you the times, they have a huge fast moving line through the lobby, around 20 check in people about 10 shot givers, absolutely no privacy and you are in and out in 10 minutes. My Dad had congestive heart failure and type two diabetes and prostate cancer, he was managed by them with a nurse who called him daily to get his weight and other info and tell him how much med to take. He loved that gal and looked forward to her calls and he lived to be 92. There are cheaper ways to practice medicine effectively.

        • Lulu says:

          That sounds like a very good method for overall healthy people. The one time I saw a nurse practitioner she said I had a sinus problem and to take a antihistamine and sent me home even though I had an elevated heart rate and been told by cardiologists that I must never take them. Arguing with her was not allowed. Four days later I was wheeled into ICU straight out of the doctors office on my return visit. She missed the part about my having cancer two years prior and open heart surgery six months prior to the visit that I tried to tell her and was in my charts. It depends on the patient.

        • wmcb says:

          My husband worked for years with a great Physician’s Assistant as a hospitalist and it was a fabulous practice model. Rob (the PA) did tons of the routine stuff (and some stuff a bit more complicated via consulting with hubby), and my husband took all the ICU patients, more dicey stuff, etc. A doc collaborating with other practitioners works REALLY well, so long as there is a lot of trust etc. My husband trusted Rob to be careful, to come to him if he got out of his depth (and to even know when he was out of his depth, which is a big deal), and Rob trusted my husband to not hold him back, let him stretch his skills.

          I think the fact that being a Navy doc, and working for decades with very skilled Corpsmen helped a lot so far as mindset is concerned. The Navy has fewer docs, lots of Corpsmen. He was accustomed to knowing how to best utilize lower-level-providers in a way that was good for everyone involved.

  7. foxyladi14 says:

    Bringing this over from Amy’s place.

    Happy 238th Birthday, Marines!Semper Fi 🙂

  8. helenk3 says:

    a toast to the last survivors of the Doolittle Raid

    Thank You and May God Bless You

  9. helenk3 says:

    a very good article on today’s idea of feminism and how it suckers single women

    • Constance says:

      The article talks about how there aren’t any popular media discussions about how conservative economic principles would help single women who vote Democrat. But sadly, even if there were I hate to say it but most of these young women wouldn’t read them or be able to understand them. Not that they are stupid but they just don’t get any financial education in school. Another thing is many girls are still raised like precious pets and they don’t “get” life because they aren’t out there dealing with it. When my son was 18 he provoked his father into a rage where my husband threw him out yelling “sink or swim you little F***er” and “I can’t wait until he figures out you have to pay for toilet paper”. But although I have made attempts to push out my daughters into the world their father has declared they are welcome to live in his house forever and in fact he hopes they do. I don’t think this is unusual and it dooms them to acting like children with a child understanding of the world far past the point when they can vote.

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