What we have here is a failure to communicate

I always find it interesting to find out what people say about me behind my back:

Monster from the Id, on November 10, 2013 at 3:35 pm said:

The Usual Gang Of Idiots over at the Freshwater Crustacean Pit have no better answer to disgusting inequalities than “Mammon giveth, and Mammon taketh away; blessed be the name of Mammon.

Either that, or “Make the pie bigger, so everyone can have more”–ignoring the grim fact that Mommie Dearest Nature isn’t going to allow much more of that strategy for much longer.

As for the Koch brothers and their fellow robber barons (I assume those are the people RD meant), I guess they think their public and private security agencies can squelch any revolution before it could trouble them.

The members of the Bourbon and Czarist aristocracies, and for that matter, of the Soviet nomenklatura, thought the same thing.

The hardline aristocrats, such as the Koch brothers, forget that the welfare state for the common citizen (as distinct from welfare for the rich, aka “crony capitalism”) was not set up out of misguided compassion, or out of compassion of any sort. It was set up to keep the masses of various countries from emulating the Jacobins (and later, the Bolsheviks).

Is it me? Have I failed to express myself clearly? You would think that after spending five years as a blogger writing thousands of posts about this kind of stuff I would have managed to accurately convey my thoughts and opinions to anyone capable of reading English.

Or maybe it’s not me. Maybe the snide little twit who wrote that crap is stupid. Maybe he’s not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. They say that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and he obviously doesn’t have much. Maybe it’s him!

I know I have never advocated in favor of Mammon or the doctrine of greed (“Greed is good!”) If anyone says I have they are either lying or delusional. There is a third possibility – the author of those words could have been exposed to Progressive theology in the form of modern academic thought! This is sometimes known as “education” but is more properly called “propaganda”.

“The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, said “This is mine,” and found people naïve enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody.” — Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Discourse on Inequality, 1754

Old Jean-Jacques had a much rosier image of the “natural state” of mankind than Tommy Hobbs whose work he was criticizing:

In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.

I am not bothered by the mere existence of inequality. If I have what I need, what difference does it make that you have more than enough? The focus on inequality is like a kid complaining to his mother that “She got more than me!” It is a philosophy of envy, and envy is one of the deadly sins.

If I was philosophic and fond of the Socratic method I would ask “Under what circumstances, if any, may the government take from one person and give to another?” I could expound along that theme for hours, but as I pointed out to my law school professor who loved that teaching style, Socrates’ students made him drink poison.

I am more of a pragmatist. I also majored in history. The conditions in this country bear little resemblance to the conditions in pre-revolutionary France or Russia. In both countries the revolutions made things worse.

I believe in what works. Capitalism works. Marxist socialism does not.

We have in this country a permanent underclass. Not only are they dependent on government largesse, they refuse to work to earn their keep. We have to import millions of immigrants to do the jobs this underclass will not deign to perform.

The permanent underclass does not exist because some people are very rich. Poverty was the preexisting condition of mankind. How then can wealth be to blame for poverty?

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110 Responses to What we have here is a failure to communicate

  1. I have been saying it for many many MANY years. The poorest person in this country is a million times better off than half the people on the planet.
    We have huge issues here in this country. Food Stamps paying for junk is one- which is due to the great corporate overlords and their paid servants the permanent political class. God Forbid the snack food, soda pop and sugary cereal makers not get their share of the pie. Never mind that it costs us more in the long run in health care costs. And those on the plantation resist any change as well. Subsidized housing is another. One need look no further than that old Chicago pay to play scheme wherein Obama’s buyers made millions while poor people froze to death.
    We have created a system that is self perpetuating. The poor demand more and more. Well I believe the Klown said last week something to the effect of we don’t owe them a middle class lifestyle. Why SHOULD the poor work when they too can have cell phones, the best cable packages and the flat screen tv to go with it, designer sneakers and new cars without ever once lifting a finger to do a lick of work to pay for it all?
    Being dirt poor is no shame. Not working to get a leg up on that ladder is. But the ptb like having lots and lots and LOTS of poor people. More tax payer money to fund their own agendas.

    And anyone who wants to call me a raycist republican can go to hell. I worked my way out of poverty. I raised my kids alone- and fed them on food stamps (and they did not get soda and cookies and are NOT obese). I did the whole drill- pay the electric company one month and the gas bill the next. They can all go FUCK themselves. There is one and only one road out of poverty- and that is work. And it starts and minimum wage and works UP from there.
    God DAMN the uniparty. And God Damn self righteous over educated pontificators who have never not once had to actually navigate poverty.

    • Somebody says:

      PMM you are correct the poorest person here in the US on a global scale is part of the much maligned 1%.

      The poor in the US live as well as middle class or upper middle class and even wealthy compared to many parts of the world.

      It is true that incentives to work and pull yourself up out of poverty are gone. Why get a job and work when you don’t have to, because you have a smart phone, cable TV, food for your table, etc. all for free.

      Our welfare system is perverse in that it takes away incentives and it also offers disincentives with its income caps that act as a trap rather than an aid to help lift someone out of poverty. It also has an anti-marriage bias.

    • leslie says:

      Just heard on the morning news that workers in Bangladesh may have a 77% increase in pay as the gov’t has just authorized a salary of $66 per month.

  2. DeniseVB says:

    “usual gang of idiots” ? There’s the proof in the first sentence that the failure to communicate is NOT you myiq 😉

    Ugh, you made me read that thread. Nasty people except for the well thought out comments by our Pit peeps, heh.

    • votermom says:

      I’m not reading that thread – I’ve developed an allergy to stupid.

      • DeniseVB says:

        It’s a good read vm, Kevin Jackson is a hoot. At least read his “prayer”, lol.

      • Mary says:

        Agree completely, votermom. I’m done with idiots like them who spend so much energy on “Koch brothers” (and all the insults they use to place all evil-doing there) .

        It’s lazy thinking, way too simple—and shows them as too corrupt to look at their OWN Democratic wealthy aristocrats who do same and more. Simple minded hacks , they are–I’m not even sure they realize they’re being manipulated by those same Democratic “aristocrats” to parrot that Koch crap as a distraction. How do they think McCauliffe won, anyway?
        OUTSIDE wealth flooding into Virginia from the wealthy Democratic donors.

        Monster and RD need to re-study what happened to the original leaders of the French Revolution.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Financing the Faux Libertarian third party spoiler candidate was a nice trick too. Even the state Libertarian party and Ron Paul dissed him as not being viable. The GOP should have run a Faux Green Party candidate to counter. Oh well, the GOP didn’t want Cuccinelli to win anyhow 😉

  3. Lulu says:

    Could someone explain what the blogger’s point is to which this comment is attached? Other than ” you should be ashamed to call yourself a Christian” which I find out of context. I thought she was anti-Christian so what is she trying to convey? That she was suckered? Again. “And people with company paid health insurance shouldn’t get comfy. The bad guys have already done away with pensions. It’s only a matter of time before the medical benefits face the music.” Has she been out of the country? That is all the media and normal people have been talking about for the past week or two and for the past three years if you don’t only read Vile Prog propaganda sites and media. Why are these self proclaimed “smartest people ever to exist in the history of the world” surprised and now (yet again) outraged? It is a loop of stupid.

    • Honk!
      They are thoroughly frightened. And have been for quite some time. They don’t know how to do “Poor”. Poor over there, iirc, is not being able to buy the latest electronic gadget to take to an OWS event.
      All they know about poor they learn in Vile Prog echo chambers.
      If they ever were actually “poor” the Darwin effect would kill them off inside a year.

      • votermom says:

        No kidding. I remember the 1st thing RD did when she got laid off was finish her basement. #headdesk

        • Yup. I remember that. Oh and the cost of educating her daughter. And new gadgets.
          Head/Desk indeed.
          After I got done shaking my head I laughed my ass off over the trips to the OWS events. Seriously? The disconnect was unreal. She was a member of the 1% for her entire working career.

        • DeniseVB says:

          pmm – are will still supposed to be “waiting” for it ? That is whenever asking an OWS supporter what exactly are you supporting the response was usually “just wait for it”. And I did, and I did, and I did……….. 😀

      • Lulu says:

        They are about to learn what poor really is. They are not going to have a pot to piss in much less gadgets. I doubt they are as afraid as I am because I know what is going to happen and they just think it “might” happen because they refuse to process it. Grinding poverty for the (self proclaimed) best and brightest. Who’da thunk it. In Obamaworld they are expendable.

        • Lulu- somehow we will survive. We have some kind of clue what is coming. We have strategies to deal with it. It is not going to blindside us.
          My grandparents came from the “Auld Country” and never looked back. But they brought with them and passed on ways to deal with being poor. And professed always thankfulness for this country. For no matter how poor they were here- it was better than there,
          Somehow I can not imagine the likes of those at Unicorns and Ponies land knowing how to survive on a food stamp budget. Though they bitch and moan about food stamp cuts I doubt the majority of them have ever actually lived on them.

        • Lulu says:

          The cuts were done by the Democrats to divert funds that had been authorized for food stamps into Michelle Obama’s “no fat children allowed” programs that have produced ZERO results except screwing up school lunch programs and some propaganda/publicity for her. The WH, Dems, and media all know this so little media play. Michelle screwed food stamp recipients.

        • Lulu says:

          Yes we will survive it because we see what is happening rather than what is psychologically comfortable to “feel”. We started planning for it in 2008. Did you know the rich are hoarding cash? I wonder why? So am I and I am not rich.

        • Lulu says:

          “But news has spread among the poor, like leafy green vegetables, that it wasn’t heartless Republicans who triggered the cuts.
          Rather, some of the food-stamp cash was snatched to pay for Michelle Obama’s pet project, Let’s Move. What?”
          “The great food grab began in 2010, when President Obama, with Michelle and US Department of Agriculture honchos at his side, signed the Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act. At the time, he admitted taking cash from one pocket to feed the other.”
          Read the whole thing. This is what happens when narcissists run the gov.

  4. driguana says:

    Happy Veterans Day!!!…the old school way…this was the first white group ever signed by Barry Gordy….1961…there were a bunch of songs like this in the early 60s…how times have changed…

  5. votermom says:

    Mammon worshippers?
    If we’re going to fling around accusations of cultural Old Testament idolatry, I want to play too!
    Here’s the lefty tip of the idol iceberg:
    1. Planned Parenthood clinics are tax-payer supported shrines to Moloch & Baal, sacrificing thousands of infants every day. Pelosi even calls abortion “a sacrament”, so OBVIOUSLY she is a high priestess of this cult
    2. Ashtoreth/Ashtarte was worshipped in Phoenicia by requiring young girls to enter womanhood by sacrificing either their chastity/virginity or their hair. They also had temple prostitutes. Nowadays we call this the hook-up culture, where girls are told they are not real independent women if they don’t say yes to casual sex.
    3. I suspect the eco-nuts at the EPA actually worship Baal-Zebub, Lord of Flies, because that’s where all their advocacies seem to take us – towards dirtier laundry, dishes, homes, gardens and insect infestation

    • Lulu says:

      OT but have you been reading what the Australians are doing to the eco-nut and carbon wealth transfer scammers in the UN? They are not going to pay one thin dime to anyone, they are sending the most junior of the junior ministers/clerks to the international meetings “to observe” (grave insult to status conscience diplomats), and are laying out the repeals of every one of the “green laws” the last parties in office rammed though. The press is concentrating on process rather than the intent of reversal. The UN is being told GFY by the Aussies. Oy, Oy, Oy.

  6. Anthony says:

    Monster is just jealous because he’s stuck in a cesspool. Similarly, so is Noam Schelber.


    • BWAHAHAHA! I went over and read it. The article declares a “recent” poll shows under 30 types favor socialism. Ok then- followed the link to a poll from – wait for it- 2010! Seriously? Recent?
      Kill me now!
      The desperation of these folks reeks. The comments are running very negative towards miss fake Sacajawea.

      • New name for Ms Warren-

      • ROFL! Love them all. Will keep them handy for 2016!

      • DeniseVB says:

        I just don’t get the appeal of Elizabeth Warren. Other than lady parts, what has she accomplished ? Maybe I missed something, but the feminists are just giddy about her.

        • elliesmom says:

          I got to see her up close and personal. She’s one strange lady. I think the feminists are giddy about her because she she smells new and fresh compared to Hillary, and they think they can get her elected because the Vile Progs seem to like her. She’s clueless about the world outside her academic world, though. Which is my main objection to her. She’s the author of “You didn’t build that”, and she truly believes it.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Thanks elliesmom. I thought Kristen Gillibrande (sp?) was the newer, fresher Hillary? Haven’t heard a peep from her since taking over HRC’s Senate seat. Though I’m sure the Senate Dem menfolk have told her to sit down and shut up 😉

          The only alternative to Hillary, imho, is Sarah Palin or any of the GOP lady governors. Republican women have a deep bench.

        • elliesmom says:

          Gillibrand isn’t lefty enough for the Vile Progs. When she was a congresswoman, she represented the area around Albany, which is traditionally more conservative. She supported gun rights, among other no-noes. When she moved to the senate, that district voted in a Republican, and only re-districting turned it blue again. While the “pajama dudes” think she’s “hot”, she’s not a sure thing when it comes to their votes. Warren is a folk hero for the OWS crowd.

        • votermom says:

          Didn’t Warren use university low rate home loans to flip houses? Whilst railing at the mortgage industry for foreclosing those houses she was buying up cheap?

        • John Denney says:

          But she sounds so upper crust and erudite when she speaks – the scholarly tones, the fancy words, the measured pace, the focused demeanor – completely unlike Sarah Palin.

          Between the two, it’s stuffy ivory towerism vs. real fresh air, IMHO.

  7. elliesmom says:

    Sorry. I’m afraid I might have started it. I don’t usually bother reading the drivel over there anymore, but I was bored sitting waiting for my husband to get an X-ray, and I thought it would fun to stick a finger in the hive. It’s all the Republicans fault! Christians are evil! Don’t vote for the Democrats! The Republicans are worse!

    • Lulu says:

      Don’t feel bad. I still look at Dumb Orange about once a week when I need a laugh. Did you know that the ACA is wonderful! There is no Obamacare but this wonderful thing called ACA is going to be great!

    • votermom says:

      Getting vile progs all wee-weed up can be too much fun to resist.

      • Lulu says:

        Outrage is the new fun. We used to go to parties or beer busts at the lake. Now it is the outrage! that is cool and fun. And you don’t have to get off your ass, drive a car, get dressed and go somewhere. You can just sit at home and outrage.

        • elliesmom says:

          I know all of my Facebook friends face-to-face. Some of them have been out of my daily life for awhile, but at one time we knew each other pretty well. I am always amazed at how willing some of them are to say mean things online they would never say in person. I keep my own FB page politics free, but if they post something political on theirs, I feel free to respond. One of them, bless her heart, is a militant vegan. When I asked her how many cows, pigs, and chickens she’s willing to financially support when the rest of us stopped eating them, she completely lost it. Now she should have known I was poking a little fun, and face-to-face, she would have poked right back, I’m sure. But her rant about how heartless I am for enjoying bacon even spilled over to poor Ellie who is, I guess, supposed to become vegan, too, since she “agreed” to become domesticated. I think we need to revisit beer busts at the lake. (But no hot dogs.)

        • foxyladi14 says:

          I love it Lookie there goes another obot head exploding. 😆

    • The Klown says:

      RD has a bad habit of freaking out on commenters with little or no provocation. All you said was something about blame the Democrats, not the Republicans and she launched into an unhinged diatribe accusing you of all kinds of shit.

      It was funny and scary at the same time. I wonder if she does that stuff in RL?

      • elliesmom says:

        I admit it was a drive-by. I haven’t gone back, and I don’t intend to. At least not until I get bored again. 😉

      • driguana says:

        Funny…..I remember the first and only time I ever posted there about some economic issue being discussed and I was ripped to shreds for not knowing, supposedly, the difference between socialism and capitalism…..having grown up in Pgh, I thought maybe I was in safe territory….certainly was not confluential!

    • DeniseVB says:

      elliesmom – that was a great comment ! Too bad that crowd chooses not to debate but to attack. You won 😀

      I don’t understand the blame Republicans rants either. Didn’t the House GOP put several Ocare alternatives on Reid’s desk that he won’t bring to the Senate floor?

      • Lulu says:

        Of course they gave them several outs from the complete clusterfuck but like dicks everywhere the Dems refused. Now they own it and are angry that the Repubs made it even more obvious. The Cruz filibuster-ette was a final chance to wiggle out of it although they knew it was a going to be a bust. Cruz was just saying “you sure you want to jump with that parachute? Are you absolutely positive?” and they said shut up you Teabagger and jumped (and are still trying to scrap up the splat which is growing like kudzu).

        • DeniseVB says:

          I think if I were still a raging liberal, I would like Ted Cruz. He’s certainly taking it to “the man” even his own party hates him 😀

        • Lulu says:

          There are things about Cruz that remind me of Bill Clinton. Super smart. Kind of outsiders. The Dems didn’t like Bill either even when he was prezzie because he wasn’t elite coming from AR. High achiever professionals as wives, huge success very young, speak in complete paragraphs, etc. I do not agree with much of his politics but I personally like him. Not being an ideologue I can like people I sometimes disagree with if they are not assholes.

    • swanspirit says:

      Let’s face it , her “Rivers” are polluted , and there is a big backed up clog of detritus at the “Confluence “

  8. votermom says:

    Happy Veterans Day

  9. votermom says:

    • The Klown says:

      This is another example of where my idea of a Disaster Relief Corps would be perfect. Like military reservists except they go in on short notice and set up shelters, kitchens and hospitals for disaster victims.

  10. The Klown says:

    The best defense against crony capitalism and other forms of government corruption is a politician with no favors to sell.

    Unfortunately, government has favors and the people running it will always be tempted to sell them. The power to tax, to regulate and to spend will always be misused if given the chance. But we NEED government.

    So clean government is a constant struggle. Just like freedom.

  11. votermom says:

    This made me LOL
    (Warning, F-bomb at link)

    In Texas, a 24-year old white Republican has defeated an incumbent black Democrat in a local race for a seat on the board of the Houston Community College System by using racism – the racism of the voters.

    A white Republican unseated a 24-year African-American incumbent from office in a surprise election victory that some are saying was racially tinged and deceptive.

    Dave Wilson, who KHOU reports is an “anti-gay activist and former fringe candidate for mayor,” is being criticized by his opposition for his campaign that reportedly lead the overwhelmingly African-American, Democratic district to believe he was black.

    Now how the hell are you going to convince black voters that you’re not white? By relying on their sloth and stupidity, of course. Like printing fliers with pictures of black folks with the caption, “Please vote for our friend and neighbor Dave Wilson.” Or by drawing on endorsements from local black political leaders, like state Democratic representative Ron Wilson.

    No, wait. Ron Wilson is Dave’s cousin.

    However, the fine print below the slogan states, “Ron Wilson and Dave Wilson are cousins,” a reference to Wilson’s non-politically affiliated cousin who lives in Iowa.

    “He’s a nice cousin,” Wilson told KHOU, suppressing a laugh. “We played baseball in high school together. And he’s endorsed me.”

    Now, was this sneaky and underhanded? Yes.

    Was it racist? YES. Because the only reason this kid won the election is because the overwhelmingly black Democrat voters who elected him thought he was black. In other words, if they had known he’s white, he would have had no chance, for no other reason than that he’s white.

  12. DeniseVB says:

    Since there may be a few visitors from RD’s site today and since I’m considered a “wascally waycist wepublican” herrrrrre’s Wonald Weagan ! 😉

    • The Klown says:

      I wonder if she still foams at the mouth whenever someone mentions Glenn Beck? Him, Sarah Palin and Jehova’s Witnesses. The unholy trinity of evil.

  13. The Klown says:
  14. jeffhas says:

    Blah, Blah, Haughty talk, “I knew Marie Antoinette”, “Bolsheviks!”, “I am smarter than thee”… “Koch, Koch, Koch!!!!”

    Isn’t this the same person you let loose on us a few weeks (months?) ago as a front pager – that had to be straight-jacketed outta here?

    I may not know who Norman Klatura is, but my working class ‘phoney baloney meter’ works just fine. I trust you’ve rethought your front pager policy?

    … and by the way Bourbon is still for drinking… right?

  15. Lulu says:

    “…Carville gave the president a bit of advice to stop his dropping poll numbers: “I think the best thing he can do is take a toke on the mayor of Toronto’s crack pipe, because his numbers are about 48,” he said Monday morning on MSNBC’s Morning Joe.” http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/363622/carville-obama-should-take-toke-crack-pipe-alec-torres

    I think James thinks he has already been at it.

  16. As a “Never Heard of Creek Sibling” comparative Pit newcomer have no axe to grind, but the few brief snips convince me those deluded folk over there belong to a class I call the “EBS”.
    Over the years I’ve learned the hard way interacting with Educated But Stupid people just wastes my time. Unlike enjoying the Pit. All geniuses are not smart. Particularly not smart are those with the capacity but not the inclination to question. At the Pit I find delicious and entertaining questions. That other place seems only a doctrinaire cult.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I only spend time on blogs I enjoy, TCH and White House Dossier are my daily stop bys 🙂 My entertainment is correcting commenters on the WaPo and NYT FB pages. I remember an article blaming the food stamp cuts on the evil poor people hating Repubs where I helpfully provided a link to the Dems cutting them to pay for MO’s Let’s Move. It was great fun !

  17. underwhelmed says:


    The writer is … words fail. Only they don’t. If you know what I mean. But the comments are great.

  18. helenk3 says:

    does the fact that we have fun here upset someone? we do not all agree on everything but it does not get ugly. Thank you MYIQ and all the posters and commenters for that. We do have serious discussions but also take needed breaks and just enjoy each others company. not a bad thing that I can see.
    for someone who has done research, it is a shame to see that RD did not understand the lethal effects of koolaid

  19. John Denney says:

    Best line I’ve seen in a while: ” Poverty was the preexisting condition of mankind. How then can wealth be to blame for poverty?”
    Thanks, Klown!

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