Michael Tomasky offers us a retarded squirrel:
Here’s one thing I absolutely cannot stand hearing: that President Obama is getting what he deserves now because he passed such a “partisan” health-care bill. The suggestion is truly beyond belief and, quite literally, totalitarian in spirit, in the way it flips the truth so perversely on its head, turning the perpetrated-upon into the perpetrator and the aggressor into the victim. As Obamacare flails, one hears the “partisan” line frequently these days on television and radio. More maddeningly still, the alleged liberals and fact-based reporters on various panels often permit it to go unchallenged. Let’s set the record straight.
Obama came into office trying to reach out to Republicans and their voters. Remember Pastor Rick Warren at the inaugural? Remember how the president met with pro-abortion rights and anti-abortion rights groups early on? (You may not, but he did.) He also tried to horse-trade with them on the stimulus. True, he would not compromise on a tax credit for low-wage workers that Republicans opposed. (Interesting to read this article in retrospect; Obama was trying to help here the later-famous 47 percent.) But he did offer movement on tax cuts, and the Senate did pass a Charles Grassley amendment about the alternative minimum tax. And, at the White House’s request, certain expenditures the White House thought would repel Republicans were stripped out in the hopes of winning GOP support. But that, of course, did not happen in any meaningful way.
In the late spring of 2009, Obama started talking health care. He sat down with Republicans over the summer. He invited a group of Republicans into his office and told them he’d put tort reform in the bill if it would get him Republican votes. They stared at him. Other administration officials met with Republicans a number of times to see if anything could be put in the bill to appease them. The answer was always no. Remember here that the Affordable Care Act is basically a Republican plan to begin with, as the individual mandate idea came from the Heritage Foundation. So you might have thought that some Republicans would be OK with that.
Outside the administration, Democrats in the Senate negotiated with Republicans for months. Those Democrats finally did decide, on August 17, that it was time to throw up their hands, and they reluctantly proceeded without Republicans. “Given hardening Republican opposition to Congressional health care proposals, Democrats now say they see little chance of the minority’s cooperation in approving any overhaul…” is how the Times opened its article on the matter. But it wasn’t for want of trying. Democrats tried, for ages.
How bad is Obamacare? The Democrats are trying to give the GOP a share of the credit/blame even though not a single Republican voted for the bill.
Let’s get something straight – I don’t give a fuck whose idea it was!
I am not a Democrat. I am not a Republican. I have no label. My ideology has no name and does not occupy any place on the left/right axis. We have problems that need solutions. I don’t care where the solutions come from, I only care whether they work and if they work whether they can be improved.
OBAMACARE DOES NOT WORK. If it was a Democratic idea it sucks. but if it truly was a Republican idea then it still sucks. There simply is no way to make it not suck. It might be possible to make it suck less, but I wouldn’t count on it.
The problem with trying to make Obamacare suck less is it would obligate us to keep it around a few more years while they try to make it work. But it will never work, it will just suck less, and the longer we keep it around the harder it will be to get rid of it.
So after we run up a few more trillion in debt and the health insurance companies rake in a few trillion in profits, we’ll eventually pull the plug anyway. Let’s save ourselves time and money and kill the fucking thing now.
Full repeal or no deal!
“Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.” – John F. Kennedy
The Crawdad Hole 
HONK!
The desperation to fix blame somewhere is mounting. Not a one of them is focused on doing something to fix the whole stinking mess.
They don’t want it fixed because it is working the way they wanted it to work. Chaos, transfer of wealth, cushy jobs for Vile Progs, concentration of power, impoverishment of the middle class who they hate with a heat of a thousand suns because they didn’t fit in because they are assholes and inept mediocrities, they are ugly arrested development losers, etc.
Plus, once this thing stinks up the place for a few more years, we can have all the corporate health insurance in the world for DECADES without anyone talking about how it blows because “we tried it the other way and it was terrible”. This son of a bitch was a poison pill from the start, it’s just starting to taste that way.
A couple threads ago someone offered that link about Rubio seeking to repeal the Bailout for Insuracos if their Obamacare profits don’t materialize as written-for in the law. If ObamaTARP for insuracos could be repealed, a mass-failure of highly profitable healthy young people to sign up would put the insuracos into their deserved death spiral. Once the insuracos and their Obamacare were collapsed and removed from the scene, then we could perhaps introduce a better idea into the vacated space.
Question
O care is a tax. Some will be spending thousands more per year. How does this effect tax liability? Payments reduce taxable income? If not won’t you be paying tax on tax?
Obama isn’t concerned with how many times you pay or the details of the law , it is HIS LEGACY that is important !!!
Well he’s failure at even his LEGACY is sure pumping up Nixon and Carter a few notches 😀
Medical and long term care insurance premiums are itemized deductions as part of your medical expenses. The total medical expenses you have must be more than 10% of your income before they kick in, though. If you don’t itemize your deductions, they don’t count. Either way, you aren’t paying a tax on a tax. You’re paying a tax on the money you earned and then spent on paying a tax. But if you’ve had a medical savings account in the past, the amount of money you used to be able to set aside for medical expenses tax-free has been cut in half by ObamaCare. I am not an income tax specialist, just a citizen who has paid a lot of money to the IRS.
I would like to see the Republicans come up with a tax bill that grants relief to those who are going to be stuck with higher premiums, co-pays and deductibles. Do away with the 10% cap, make it dollar for dollar deducted from the tax liability and let it roll over to the next year or three. Also make it a short form attached to a short form 1040. Make the Obama administration pay through the nose with reduced revenues which would kick in the sequester with a vengeance. If the Dems don’t want to do it, use it to run against them.
So you want our grandkids to pay for Obamacare?
Klown, if they did, then it would mean they simply don’t get to pay as much for elective wars and banksters. Either way, they pay, whether it be out of taxes or because their grandparents have to sell the grand kids’ inheritance to pay for insurance.
One year. Then repeal Obamacare. If the money does not materialize the Democrats will not want it. Because the media helped the WH withhold the dire effects until after the election, because it was a fraudulent scheme to begin with, lessen the economic impact until it can be repealed. The harm it is going to do to the overall economy is probably going to be catastrophic without some kind of relief at least in the short term. There are other things that could be done also without enriching the insurance company co-conspirators. Take the economic incentives away and it folds quickly with less long term harm.
I’d personally like to see even a smidge of recognition that some of us are getting fucked. Those of us that already had decent health insurance (which does not, btw, make us fat cats or rich people, but rather skilled professionals with good jobs- not a crime) are now going to get less healthcare and pay more for it, more than we can afford in some cases. My husband works for a major corporation and we have the best healthcare plan they offer. Because I have MS and he had cancer. We fucking NEED it. And now, even though we make decent money, we may not be able to afford most of our healthcare next year, because our deductibles are going up. Our co-pays are going up. Everything is costing more and we’re going to have to avoid going to the doctor now. Good stuff, that’s how you do healthcare. In case you’re wondering if I’m exaggerating about healthcare costs: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-21/novartis-s-48-000-pill-spurs-u-s-price-increases-for-ms-drugs.html
Nice to see you Sandress. Yes, we are all getting fucked one way or the other. This is a disaster. And instead of just hearing these lies about “junk plans”, which most of course are not, and which most company based ones that will be canceled next year aren’t either, the Dems need to be embarrassed and ridiculed by the obvious facts.
But, but The Supreme Court said it is a tax. No choice must buy. Medical savings were a choice When you itemize you deduct taxes from the gross to get taxable income. If my 12k a year payment is tax will I not be able to subtract those monies paid? you don’t pay federal tax on Social Security tax and in PA they ask for adjusted gross income from federal form so it will yet another, Seems this is just going to become more convoluted.
I might be wrong, but I think the Supreme Court said the penalty for not buying insurance was the tax, not the health insurance premiums. So the penalty should be tax deductible, and it probably is.
Thanks elliesmom
mothy, your question is the best definition of Clusterf**k I’ve seen so far. 😀
The professional Vile Progs like Tomasky see their low achiever sinecures drying up. They are in so deep with this shit, they are so invested in this fake ideology masking the financial scams and destruction, that their world is ending. The media enabled this fairy tale because it was easy to jump on the bandwagon and coast, collect their pay, and pretend. Who is going to pay big bucks to a shill with crippling cognitive dissonance without the gravy train of Vile Prog thieves funding them. I would suggest that Mr Tomasky look into attending real estate school. He is an accomplished shill, liar and fraud and should do well selling time shares until the authorities catch up with him.
Yes yes…. Obama is the great uniter. We are not a divided society any longer…
What a load. You know it’s a load because every example he states starts off with “Obama offered this, true it didn’t happen in the end, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t offer”
If Obama had fuflifilled half of the things he offered (like Tort Reform), Obama would’ve actually BEEN brilliant, because he would’ve stolen their issues (like Bill Clinton did his many times?)- win either way for Obama. All this tells you is the guy either cares so little about any principles, he’s willing to offer them up, then rescind in vindictiveness…. OR, these things never actually happened, he never cared anyways and let someone else make those decisions.
Given how prominent Pelosi and Reid were, and how every detail I can recall emanated from Congress not The WH, I’m pretty confident how this went down.
They can rewrite history all they want. The bottom line is – we all know, have seen in person, or read in history books about Great Leaders…. and Great Leaders DO things of great importance in the face of adversity, they don’t whine about the great things they could’ve done. That’s what Sh*tty Leaders do when they’ve figured out their Sh*tty.
They’re not their (I hate that!!!!!!!!)
He physically couldn’t have fulfilled more than half the things he offered because he was talking out both side of his mouth (when he wasn’t talking out of his ass).
Actually he was talking out of both sides of his ass.
Well said, Klown…Read this first thing this morning and felt such a sense of relief that there are actually other people out there who feel the same way I do politically…as it is has become harder and harder to speak your mind philosophically if you don’t adhere to someone’s stern ideology. I would only add that I DO have a label….Fierce Independent!!! And I am becoming even more fierce….a change is coming and it is probably not going to be one like most people expect….but it will be for the better….and better means problem solving for the betterment of everyone, not select political or moneyed groups…someone has to be the watchdogs, the bodyguards against the bodyguards…may as well be us….
The Chicago Way:
I’m sure it was just a co-inky-dink.
Yes, yes… the great uniter strikes again….
“Maximum Leader of the United States Banana Republic of Obamerica ” strikes again .He is fatally flawed , and will fall further .. Obamacare is the anchor and will drag him down , but his ego is the underlying dynamic, and he cannot run from that .
A little blurb about this from American Thinker ….
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/11/dc_insurance_commissioner_a_casualty_of_obamas_fix.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook
I really think Obama wants a civil war. 😡
This is all Alinsky stuff again. Every time you challenge Obama, his temple guards ask for proof and evidence. Now that there is proof and evidence to spare, it doesn’t count because of conventional wisdom (everyone KNEW you couldn’t keep your health care.) That articles claims to have facts, but just conflates a bunch of anecdotes in search of consistency. Obama added a guy to the Inauguration guest list and talked to a bunch of people. That doesn’t mean anything.
Obama never negotiated over the ACA. He was a cat playing with a mouse. The Democrats offered extremely minor concessions (likely to be ignored later) for bragging rights. Negotiation is only possible if both sides are needed to go forward. The Democrats decided they could bypass the entire GOP caucus and did. Republicans having a stake in the law would not make it better for them. It would make it better for the Democrats so they could blame anyone other than themselves.
I don’t mind if the Democrats by-passed the GOP. It’s a two party system and they are well-within their rights to do that if they have the political power. Sucks for the GOP, but then, it sucked for the Dems when they had the power. What pisses me off is that even when they ARE in power they aren’t serving their constituents. I’m pretty sure NONE of the Dems I know said “You know, what I want from health reform? More corporate cock-sucking and shitty coverage for Everyone.”
This isn’t about it being somehow not fair for the Democrats to pass Obamacare, even though there were some quesitonable decisions, like passing the Senate version in the House because they couldn’t pass a reconciliation bill after Scott Brown was elected.
Tomasky is arguing that Republicans should have voted for the bill because Obama “tried” to work with them. The reason why one party tries to get the other’s support is because this kind of legislation frequently fumbles and both sides are needed to fix it. Now the GOP has enough votes to block Obamacare 2 and the Democrats have no political cover. So Obots like him are crying because they have to invent ways to blame anyone but Obama.
Still digging the hole.
It is the only job that is Shovel ready. 🙄
When the activate the clause in the Obamacare law where the taxpayers bail out the insurance companies to the tune of trillions of dollars a year do you even think the media will cover the insurance company bail out? I doubt it. Regular people will have no idea how the national debt got inflated some more and why the insurance companies execs will be driving around in new flashy cars.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/11/if_you_like_your_insurance_you_can_rent_it_maybe.html
if you like your insurance you can rent it maybe
reasons why the so called fix will not work
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/11/racist_president_says_now_you_can_keep_your_substandard_insurance.html
racist president says now you can keep your substandard insurance
is the fix creating a new law not passed by congress?
this Constitutional professor says yes it is
Daniel Bongino :
I follow Bongino’s campaign on Facebook, Maryland NEEDS him 😀
me too
Absolutely !! And he has been getting national attention because he has made statements regarding what really goes on in the Obama Administration . I know he is limited in what he can say because he was secret service , but when he says we have no idea how bad it is , I believe him .
I’m just worried he’ll be another vile prog target, we have to support him through that.
Brings me back to how Obama destroyed Jack Ryan in that 2004 Illinois Senate race. Ooops, Ryan’s divorce records got unsealed, Ryan drops out of race. Obama pleads ignorance and condemns that. (yeah, right). In the meantime, Ryan went on lobbying to STOP unsealing private divorce records for both partys’ candidates, I think including Teddy, Kerry, McCain, Liebermann ? Ryan’s intention was that American is better than that. Jack Ryan sleeps well at night 😉
honk
So true. Liberals believe more in the ‘feel good’ than reality.
Seriously? I call bullshit. Not that this law isn’t a load of shit, and not that left-wing compassion isn’t often premised on guilt that renders us short-sighted, but rather that the answer is to just leave people alone. FUCK that. The uninsured and those who didn’t have access to health care NEEDED access to health care. They just happened to need it done in a way that didn’t fuck other people over. If you’re wondering if that’s plausible, look at ANY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION IN THE FUCKING WORLD.
Funnily, just separately offering and paying for insurance for all the uninsured would have cost a very small fraction of what Obamacare is costing. The “compassion” approach is almost never really about help or compassion, it’s about control and corruption. Sad but true. And don’t kid yourself, the other side is for the very same thing, just over different issues. They all suck, and they all need to go.
Amen Dandy. 🙂
Very early on in the health care debate, someone was making the point that some people who protested for a better system had been sick, had gone bankrupt from medical bills, still got good treatment and got better. If you lose all your worldly possession, but you’re not dying anymore, isn’t that a fair trade?
Look at it like a mortgage. If you “buy” a million dollar house, you are letting a banker buy your house for you and paying them back a month at a time. If you can’t afford the premiums, you could lose your house. Most people understand this arrangement. You live in the house, you keep it up, you pay taxes and insurance on it, but it is not your house. Even if you put over a million dollars into the mortgage (including interest) you will lose that investment if you don’t pay off the mortgage.
If there was a version of health insurance that was cheap, so that you could pay it and if you got sick you could be covered, it would be affordable and catastrophic, like every plan Obama has eliminated. But if you got dropped from that plan and could still get medical care, that would be a solution, even if you were given the full bill. Medical debt is the best kind of debt. You traded it for your life.
off topic
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/15/Obama-Admin-Catches-Terry-Family-On-Technicality-Lawsuit-For-Slain-Border-Agent-Thrown-Out
this just sucks
another time when you have the law and you have justice and they are not the same thing
OT : http://www.wimp.com/insidebirdhouse/
wish I could embed the video …
don’t they come up with some really great videos on that site
love wimp.com…you can usually find the vids on You Tube, too….
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/us-education-secretary-white-suburban-moms-upset-that-common-core-shows-their-kids-arent-brilliant/
but we CAN NOT say 1—-2—-3— racist
http://freebeacon.com/snl-runs-fake-ad-mocking-obamas-presidential-depression/
backtrack has lost SNL.
great skit
fake ad mocking backtrack’s presidential depression
this is funny
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“Paxil second term is not covered by Obamacare. We promised it would be! For that we are sorry.” …or something like that.
http://ricochet.com/main-feed/To-The-Obama-Voter
to the obots ” do you hear him now” or “we told you so”
Just got to see Candi on CNN interview Brasso and Clyburn – asks Brasso if Republicans will help Obama ‘FIX’ Obamacare. He says, “We need to start over”… I hope they stay on that message – because seeing James Clyburn look as though he just ate a not-so-delicious sh*t sandwich was very enjoyable to me. Very.
Saw that too, and the look on Clyburn’s face was priceless.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/legislators-scramble-to-postpone-flood-insurance-rate-increase-they-triggered/
ahh the government at work
it looks like they not only screwed up health insurance for the American people , they screwed up flood insurance too
Fancy Nancy tries to wiggle out of a straight jacket.
The side effects of Botox are scary telling.
She has no clue. When she said you have to pass it to know what is in it she was talking about herself. Some lobbyists who give her money wrote it and handed it to her. She still doesn’t have any idea what is in it either by statute or regulation. I doubt she understands what insurance is since her husband handled it. She is an entitled, pampered rich woman who raises money for candidates and schmoozes. She has never lived a middle class life or worried by money in her life. The stuttering shows she is just stringing talking points together. Horrible.
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Gawd. Just wanna slap her cross-eyed.
Bush 41 and Bush 43 are both at the Raiders vs. Texans game today.
B41 got OLD. He’s still kickin’ though.
Yep, pretty frail. Actually big dawg is looking more frail too. This getting old shit just ain’t fair.
Bush 41 is old. He’s about 5 years past life expectancy.
I have to wear a mask when I visit the huffinglue post , the fumes are noxious .
AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH !!!!!!
Literally NONE of his reasons make any sense… This cannot be just Kool-Aid… I daresay he is looking through dark-colored glasses.
1. His largest supporters/fundraisers are/were the wealthy.
2. He evolved on Gay Marriage only after they threatened to take their money elsewhere…. where was he in 2007/8?
3. Women make less money then men (significantly) in his administration.
4. Obamacare is a trainwreck. Other countries are laughing their butts off at us.
5. Same as #1 – stop being redundant.
6. See #3 above
7. Yes, I’m sure Jay-Z and Beyonce agree. Michelle is a modern day Eleanor.
8. Your argument of his environmental bonafides is that we are producing MORE oil? You need to turn in your Hippie card.
9. The military loves him – just ask all those that were in Benghazi
10. Nobel Peace Prize – really? – How are those Drones workin’ out?
11. Tell me how the AA community is doing with all their educational benefits from Pres. Obama? – they’re better off aren’t they? – oops, they’re not.
12. Yes, he’s a Comedic Genius – you’ve got me on that one…. This has been one big joke for sure.
Omg, that has to be a joke. He is for veterans? Um one word, barrycades. He is for peace. One word syria! Does this writer not remember how ob wanted to go to a fast pin prick war in syria? This article has to be sarcasm. Otherwise this person is rewriting history in his own brain = denial!
From the very first sentence, this post is an outright lie.
Does this mean McCain had only 7% of the vote? I couldn’t really read it so I watched the video of the “Dirty Dancing” wedding reception dance. It was of far greater value than the tripe written to honor the man who won the nobel Peace Prize and who routinely orders drone attacks against people who may or may not be guilty of anything other than being within target range.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/363907/obamacare-schadenfreudarama-jonah-goldberg
The entire article is schadenfreudelectable
Man, I have got to see Air Bud.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/11/17/gun_grabbing_mayor_pays_price_in_pa_120695.html
those gun totin, bible readin, bitter clingers revolt
http://therightscoop.com/george-will-white-house-press-room-has-become-a-third-legislative-chamber/
the white house press room has become a third legislative chamber.
why insurance companies should run away from this “fix”
In a related topic….who’s idea was this?
Obviously, you don’t know how difficult is is to get to sleep without Frasier on the TV.
LOL days, the fan pages agree with both of us. That tweet was my guilt about thinking I couldn’t get to sleep without the Crane family from 10pm to midnight every night, and it was a good thing 😀
Yep still do thanks to my DVR. 🙂
If you want to see a parade of first world problems, try watching some of those Hallmark Christmas movies.
days and foxy, ❤ We still have TBBT and Modern Family, just not as good in those late hours.