Too Late To Turn Back?

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Whenever I get bored and want to try a Alice Through the Looking Glass/acid trip experience I just head on over to Salon. They rarely disappoint:

GOP’s 2014 horror strategy: Exploit Americans’ misfortune, drum up fake outrage

A quick look at the House and Senate vote calendars indicates that Congress did not in fact come back into session over the holidays to repeal the Affordable Care Act, which means that as of today (depending on how you count it) millions and millions of people who were previously uninsured now have comprehensive healthcare coverage.

There’s the 3-or-so million young adults under 26 who have been covered under their parents plans for a couple of years now, about 4 million new Medicaid beneficiaries, and some large percentage of the 2 million who have enrolled in a private plan via Healthcare.gov or one of 14 state-based insurance exchanges and submitted their first premium payment.

Their benefits are now active, which means proponents of repealing the law have a severe entropy problem on their hands. Just like you can’t re-create an erased image by unshaking an Etch-A-Sketch, you can no longer re-create the pre-Obamacare status quo by repealing the law. Some new beneficiaries would be returned to the ranks of the uninsured, just as they were before, but others would return to an individual market they were happy to leave behind, and even the thin skim of people who were happy with plans that have been canceled wouldn’t necessarily be able to reclaim them.

After spending three months effusing sympathy for people who’ve had their insurance plans canceled, Republicans can’t really continue to support repeal while ignoring the (2 million? 6 million? 9 million?) who would lose their coverage as a result. But the GOP lacks a consensus replacement for Obamacare, and the plans that caucuses within the party do support don’t do anything for the new beneficiaries, and fall well short of Obamacare’s coverage expansion in the long run.

They’ve walked into a cul-de-sac planting mines behind themselves along the way.

Under the circumstances, it’d make a lot of sense for Republican leaders to seek a New Year’s détente. Stop pandering to their own voters by behaving as if outright repeal is an eventual possibility; stop fogging things up for their own constituents, many of whom would be better off if they understood what the law has to offer them. Democrats want to fix flaws in the Affordable Care Act, Republicans could agree to support some improvements in exchange for making the law system more GOP-friendly without undermining its structure.

But in the least shocking news you’ll hear all year, Republicans lack both the intent and ability to adopt a less combative approach to healthcare reform. They like how the last three months of 2013 unfolded politically (a three week government shutdown notwithstanding!) and will do whatever they can to make 2014 look a lot like that. They’ll probably even fund the government and increase the debt limit without inviting crises to keep the media focused on Obamacare.

This week they will begin exploiting for political gain the misfortunes of people who seek medical care under the impression that they’re covered only to find out, for some reason, that they’re not. These might be beneficiaries who, due to technical woes and clerical backlogs, are having trouble accessing their benefits, or people who thought they had enrolled but never actually did.


I like how the author posts the pictures of three Senate Republicans (Paul, Graham and McCain) when the Senate is controlled by the Democrats. I’m surprised that a picture of Ted Cruz isn’t up there too, considering he is the Progs’ new Emmanuel Goldstein.

The author mixes in all the standard talking points and tropes and even manages to throw in a cheap shot about the shutdown, as if people still care about that.

The new White House/Democrat/OFA talking point is the one about it being too late to reset the clock and start over. According to this new argument, the only option available is to “fix” the problems with Obamacare.

I’m curious though – what exactly are the Democratic plans to “fix” Obamacare? I don’t mean delay implementation, I mean to make it work the way it was advertised.

You know – better, cheaper, more people covered and if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.

So what’s the plan, Stan?


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112 Responses to Too Late To Turn Back?

  1. The Klown says:

    As usual Lulu shows up early and posts a comment in the last thread that fits perfectly in the newest one:

    The UK’s Daily Mail had a story on the debacle of Obamacare in its first day which the US media is unwilling to report on. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2532869/They-no-idea-insurance-active-not-At-Virginia-hospitals-Obamacare-confusion-reigns-frustrated-patients-walk-out.html
    The hospital ER in northern VA was asking for insurance ID cards (I signed up last week!), proof of payment of premium (I haven’t got a bill yet!), amounts they would be required to pay before any tests were done or to be admitted (what!, but I have Obamacare!). Many left without medical treatment.

    The Daily Mail also noted that one person said they had “signed up” a couple of days before Christmas for a specific plan although they had no proof like a computer printout, cancelled check or credit card readout much less a health insurance card for the hospital to bill for services. This plan has a “$5,500 per-person deductible for 2014 – an amount she would have to pay out-of-pocket before her coverage would apply to medical expenses.” so she would have to pay anyway even with proof of insurance.

    The story doesn’t go into detail that the “signed up” plan referenced also only pays 80% of approved charges per service (20% is to be paid by the insured person so the deductible is really $6600 per person which they have to cough up. And that the hospital may be “out of network” so the patient would be responsible for 100% of the bill and it would not apply towards ANNUAL deductible. The hospital doesn’t know if these people are in network because they don’t know what their plan is or if they even have one. If they are in network, if they do have a verified health plan, the approved charges ($500 estimated chest X ray) would be perhaps half (or $250) of which 80% ($200) would apply to the deductible. Of course this does not include physician services, medication, or anything else that happens in the ER. And there is a co-pay in there somewhere but it not mentioned as well as a insurance pre-approval before ER services are authorized.

    It is estimated that 20% (I think that is low and is more like 30-40%) of the population understands terms such as health insurance network, co-pay, annual deductible, approved charges, etc. How many Obamacare “sign ups” understand they have to pay a premium or that it is not in effect until the payment clears the insurance company? How many understand that insurance companies are not going to pay for an ER for stuff that should be treated in doctors offices. And how many are going to finally comprehend that doctors have to be in network to take their new shiny shit insurance for which a huge deductible will have to be met also.

    I am not surprised that a UK media source is first to cover this. Who is going to be the first person to die as a result of this catastrophe? And will the US media even bother to cover it? I think eventually they will have to do so. The political operatives that the WH is rolling out as happy Obamacare enrollees have not been to the ER yet. And I would like for a media reporter to ask them for PROOF that they are Obamacare insured because I don’t think many will have it.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Good ole UK Daily Mail covering a story that should be headlines in WaPo. There was a former Bill Clinton aide on Fox talking about this too. “It’s a mess, needs serious overhauling”.

    • piper says:

      I’m not going to apologize for this comment. Yes, elections have consequences and people need to wake the ??? up and investigate the candidates before voting. There was plenty of stories in the Chicago newspapers about the do-nothing but take credit for all positives ever voting present (p)resident. He wanted something ‘big’ so people would hail and remember him forever. He chose health ‘care’ which would also give him the honors of shating on Hiliary. And now I think he will be remembered for all the pain and suffering his ‘signature health care’ is and will cause the uninformed ‘voters’ along with us. These stories are just the beginning of the disaster.

      End of rant – have to go for mammo (I know tmi)

      Read the entire story on Lulu’s link

      • DeniseVB says:

        Oh I approve your rant ! Even Pravda has expressed concern about the idiots who support Obama.

      • piper says:

        More on the wonderful gubmint health care system in Great Britain

        “Finally, the system often heralded as the model for US health care reform, offers access and quality of care so poor that Britain is now experiencing a serious brain drain of their young doctors.

        The NHS has become hugely reliant on doctors trained outside the UK. An estimated 94,833 of the 259,719 doctors of all doctors registered with the General Medical Council, 36.5% of the total, are from foreign medical schools. And what is the solution to the disastrous waiting lists and disgraceful care in the NHS in the face of a considerable outflow of UK medical professionals?

        The U.K. government is now considering sub-contracting operations to private firms from other countries.”

        Read the rest of article – informative
        http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/01/03/exposing-world-great-lie-about-obamacare-and-socialized-medicine/?intcmp=obnetwork

    • Constance says:

      I sort of wonder if the media companies are the same companies who are now authorized by the government to sell Obamacare insurance. But I don’t expect the media companies to cover this Obamacare clusterfuck. The only news coverage will be new media or blogs or foreign media. No one reads the old corporate media for actual news anymore. That is why they are losing viewers and readers, they have zero credibility.

    • gxm17 says:

      I am a single-payer, Green party supporter and in no way intend to defend Obamacare, but one has *always* been required to show an insurance card in Northern Virginia. Not just at the ER but in clinics and doctors’ offices too. This isn’t some new development due to Obamacare. Further, the ER can not turn you away or deny treatment (there are signs up in the waiting room saying this in both English and Spanish), however they can bill you full price for service. This is the way it’s been for as long as I can remember. So basically, it sounds like nothing much has changed with Obamacare except that now people who did not previously have insurance are paying premiums in addition to exorbitant deductibles. Does anyone know if they are at least getting billed at a lower rate negotiated by their Obamacare insurer?

      • lyn says:

        Regence BlueCross/Blue Shield of Oregon has reduced its plan allowance for care (this magically happened after Oct. 1) and thus its payments back to customers. This month it also paid me directly for my dental expense ($24 for a $159 bill) when it used to pay the dentist directly. Also, claims are taking BC/BS more than a month to pay. In the past, claims were paid within two weeks. Obamacare also forces people to use PPOs because out-of-pocket costs are even more now when non-PPOs are used. If you like your healthcare practitioner, you better hope she or he is a PPO.

      • Mt.Laurel says:

        Something is off with the story. You can get emergency care whether or not you have insurance. This hospital is located in an urban setting and has a large uninsured population – many immigrants (legal and illegal). It is not as if this is a special proprietary hospital that only takes the well to do.

        You are always asked for an insurance card at most hospitals. If you do not have, you are processed as “self pay”. If your insurance information is available down the road, they will update the records. For instance, patients at the ER are triaged. Trauma/sever problems are treated ASAP and often without payer information. That is gathered later unless there is someone with the patient that can provide the information (e.g., parent).

        These patients who say they have O’care plans but have no proof of insurance would be processed as self pay. Before O’care, they would likely have been offered help filling out applications to see if they are eligible for Medicaid/Medicare/Local programs. O’care, in many ways, derails that approach along with a lot of others that were used to help patients with no hospital coverage.

        And I hate to have to say the blame is not all the bad O’care system. If the plans were just purchased right before Christmas, even under the best of circumstance, it is unlikely they would likely be in the system this soon. Plus,if they have not paid for the plan – it is not in effect.

        On the other hand, it does highlight that no one really looked at the O’care system as a whole. It seems they did not even bother with simple flow charts to map out the process from start to finish. And of course the little information there is a disorganized hodgepodge and often inaccurate.

        Proof of having a plan should have been a no brainer. Most auto insurers now have it in their system that once the payment is made on-line, you can print out copies (some temporary) to show proof of coverage.

        Note: Virginia does not have it’s own system – they opted to use the Federal system for O’s baby.

      • Constance says:

        Sorry, this is a change. For one thing my insurer used to get a new card to me in a day or two and they would always treat you if you forgot your card if you had ID and could answer a few questions that seemed relevant at the time.

  2. The Klown says:
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  6. angienc says:

    OT — I would like to know the Dems plans about the economy too while we’re at it. Remember all the horror stories about the Greek economy? Ever wonder why there has been radio silence about it since the 2012 election? Because the Greek economy is doing great — in fact, it has come roaring back. Know why? Because those so-called “austerity cuts” WORKED, that’s why. Don’t expect to read/hear about that in the MSM

    • Falstaff says:

      If by “doing great” you mean “in marginally less catastrophic condition,” I guess you’re right.
      http://qz.com/155551/greece-has-lost-more-than-one-fifth-of-its-pre-crisis-economy/

      • angienc says:

        Oh yes please tell me — a person born in Athens with a home & many family there who also watches the Greek channels to get my news– how Greece is doing by citing a nonGreek news source, you arrogant fuck.

        • Falstaff says:

          Well, it is the official Hellenic Statistical Authority report for Q3. I guess your sources are better than those of the Greek government, so congratulations on that. Perhaps you should be directing economic policy over there?

          • angienc says:

            Well it’s official: you’re an arrogant fuck. I am fluent in Greek, asshat so yes, the actual news from Greece — in Greek — and my actually being in Greece — in my house there in Athens — just 3 months ago — trumps you.
            Furthermore, nothing in that report contradicts what I wrote — the economy is doing great, people are working again & Greece is no longer on the verge of default/bankruptcy because of the so-called “austerity” measures. You — being the arrogant fuck that you are (did I tell you that you were that already? It bears repeating) — tried to say it wasn’t doing well by linking said report — the implication being that the report backed your bullshit. It doesn’t.

          • angienc says:

            Oh, PS — don’t come for me unless I send for you.

        • Falstaff says:

          FWIW, the epitome of arrogance is your insisting that random anecdotal evidence must trump that reported by the Greek government. One of the attractive things about conservatism is its reliance on objective evidence rather than emotional appeals. You seem poorly equipped to handle the evidence, at least in this case. Perhaps Greece will one day get its economic house in order and rejoin the so-called First World. But it’s not currently headed in that direction, at least on the basis of the latest economic numbers. Happy New Year!

        • angienc says:

          Are you still buzzing around me, fly?

          First, I don’t have “anecdotal” evidence — as I already told you, I get my news straight from the source (the Greek channels — Dish “MegaGreek” package, $29.99 a month) plus ACTUALLY LIVING IN THE COUNTRY THREE MONTHS OF EVERY YEAR. Of course,from what I’ve seen of your so-called “intelligence” thus far, it is likely you don’t understand what “anecdotal” means.

          Second, you don’t know shit about what is reported by the Greek government — I do, and I learn it/read about it/hear it IN GREEK (I’d tell you about primary source v. secondary, but I’m afraid that would be too much for your tiny mind to handle).

          Third, the fact that you dare to imply that Greece is anything but “first world” proves that you don’t know what you so arrogantly & freely opine on pretending you aren’t just pulling it out of your ass. Greece invented “first world” — universities, philosophy, geometry — you are actually too stupid to even know what “first world” means & yet think *you* can pontificate about economics? You’re a pathetic loser who can’t seem to handle that you don’t know anything but what is told to you. So know this: austerity worked: the Greek economy is recovering — for real, not Obama “green shoots” bullshit that they’re shilling in the US — actually in recovery.

          Now, please kindly go fuck yourself & stop wasting everyone’s time with your bullshit.

    • Constance says:

      You know what I think did work to stimulate the economy? Remember when Bush sent $500. checks to all taxpayers? Well My husband spent the $500. on a TV he would never have bought, I spent the $500. on a fancy purse and winter coat that I really didn’t need. The kids bugged us to take them to Cedarpoint rollercoaster park in Ohio. So we blew that $500. bucks multiple times and with all the taxpayers doing that it had to stimulate the economy. I think they should give all taxpayers a random unexpected windfall tax break.

      • lyn says:

        LOL. I do that with Christmas and birthday money all the time. It’s amazing how free money multiplies.

  7. The Klown says:
    • DeniseVB says:

      Fox just said it is stuck now. Also, they’re the only ones mentioning the mission for this kerfluffle was to prove global warming and wondering aloud “wonder what they’ve learned?”.

      No wonder they’ve won the Most Watched Cable News Channel for the 12th year by beating CNN/MSNBC’s numbers combined.

  8. The Klown says:
    • The Klown says:

      I was gonna say “mop boy at an adult bookstore” but I decided to take the high road.

    • abc says:

      Pajama Boy at OFA.

    • Lulu says:

      What is really funny is that he (and his wife who works at the NYT) has been leaking this story for about a month. He thinks he is so wonderful that he can pressure the WaPo and Jeff (freaking) Bezos to do what he wants. He wants EIGHT figures from Bezos to set up his own shop with himself as boss man. He says he wants “explanatory” journalism. Sounds like “propaganda” journalism. Repeatedly leaking to pressure your boss is not smart. I wonder if Bezos thinks he is an asshole and is stringing him along and screwing with him.

  9. abc says:

    The last two paragraphs are especially hilarious. Now whose job was it to stop those things from happening? They were easily preventable via just getting the freaking web site right, aka not delaying implementation of the web site because of politics! Somehow calling out the truth is a bad thing for the Republicans to do.

    Thank you Republicans for calling out the truth. The old trope, “it’s a dirty job but someone’s got to do it,” comes to mind.

    Hey, maybe when Ezra’s done being mop boy, pizza boy and Pajama boy, he can come clean things up! (LOL).

  10. mcnorman says:

    They haven’t got a plan. That is the plan…make it up as you go.

    I work in a physician’s office. My co workers down the hall are going to bailbondsman school to figure out what they can get signed over to the office legally. This bs premium crap is for the birds. The insured gets three months of grace period before they pull the plug. Sure, the insurance company will pay for that gallstone removal but it will subrogate the money after that grace period is up.

    • mcnorman says:

      When the guy loses his part time job (cut back hours) because he had a complication and couldn’t go back to work to pay those premiums, the insurer goes into the doc’s, hospital, and whomever else’s bank account and retrieves their money. Who loses? Not the insurer. They made sure that they didn’t

      Our great state has the Medicaid administrator running the show here. Some of my pals who work for them have made huge bonuses at the end of the year on those denials. I guess they will do better with zerocare cuz St Barts ain’t cheap.

    • Lulu says:

      Tell them to talk to some criminal lawyers. Where I live they take watches, shotguns, newer model cars, lawn equipment, chain saws, gold jewelry and loose gemstones, antiques, parcels of land, etc. All highly discounted and not returnable. I am not kidding and physcians may have to do it too. Are they heartless? No. They were tired of being stiffed.

      • mcnorman says:

        Thank you Lulu. This is a phenomenal screw you physicians. I have to constantly educate patients on how THEIR insurance works. When they see a $2000 bill, they neglect to look at the payment of $175 made by their insurance for a surgery that requires the surgeon to see the patient free for the next 90 days after. If that surgery takes 2 hours, and that person has to come back three times, I’d say that the surgeon is getting the screw on payment. How many people in that office? How many supplies are used in aftercare? How much zerocare does that doc have to pay so that their staff has unaffordable healthcare? My list goes on about this political bs theater.

    • Constance says:

      Well do the Progs need a plan? I think good intentions are what they are banking on, that and enough of money to insulate them from the realities of life which the lower classes can’t escape. And anyway talking about the failures of Obamacare makes them feel sad so it is really, really bad of Republicans (everyone who isn’t a Prog) to do that. So like, just stop it!

      • mcnorman says:

        Unfortunately, the good intentions turn into bad consequences. I am going to make it my mission in life to crap on zerocare at every turn (particularly when I hear a whiner who voted for this turd). 😀

  11. DeniseVB says:

    I love this rant:

    http://www.caintv.com/the-tea-party-is-an-attitude-a

    But here is the reason they can’t squash the Tea Party. The Tea Party is an attitude – an attitude of the working class that goes against the political class. The Tea Party’s attitude says live within your means and stop taking away our liberties. The political class is just the opposite. They want to settle for what they can get, like this last budget they want along with. They’re more worried about being blamed for stuff than they are accomplishing stuff.

    The Tea Party is not one organization or one figurehead. When someone emerges to lead this movement in Congress, like Ted Cruz and a few others, the establishment wants to quiet him down.

  12. angienc says:

    The great “plan” (which the MSM is in on) is to scream, cry and DEMAND that the people who were against this monstrosity from the beginning and did not vote for it and — in fact — were willing to “shut down the government” to try to stop it — fix it.
    If they could just admit that they were the ones who fucked it up, I might feel a smidgen of sympathy for them. But they are worse than a 3 year old crying over the milk s/he spilt — the 3 year old at least says “Sorry mama — I spilled it.” Not these assholes — they cry that our THINKING BAD THOUGHTS about Obamacare made it into the trainwreck that it is while demanding we fix it. Fuck them.

    • 1539days says:

      The most important part of that story is the call for Republicans to help fix Obamacare. The Democrats’ biggest mistake is that they did whatever they needed to pass the bill without Republican support. Not one Republican voted for final passage in either house and therefore they have no responsibility for it. As soon as they “fix” Obamacare, they own it, too.

      Salon is employing the Ethan “Pajama Boy” Krupp “liberal f***” strategy. They are providing demoralizing arguments (Dems won Obamacare already) but offering the seeming olive branch of compromise to save themselves. In reality, Republicans have even better numbers than this time 4 years ago when they wasted the Democrats.

      • Lulu says:

        It is the argument of an adolescent. If you loved me you would fix it for me. If you loved me you would not have let me trash it. How can you sit there and laugh at me! How can you watch me suffer. And all my friends too. What do you mean by fixing my own messes? How? I can’t think. I am mad and scared. How dare you give me a pencil and paper. I don’t use that crap. Give me my Macbook. Oh. I forgot. I broke it.

        One of the first signs of incipient adulthood is fixing your own mess or at least trying to do so. Believe it or not they are trying with all of these half-ass changes. But never having done anything much less fixed anything (harder, much harder) they are floundering and whining. Are there any adults in the Democratic party? Some (Clintonian probably) are enjoying this and are not going to do it for them.

        • 1539days says:

          They also took Obamacare and locked it down so the Republicans couldn’t repeal it. It’s not even all that fixable. I’ve said for a while now that the old system was better and repealing the whole damn thing would be better than anything Obamacare can do now.

        • swanspirit says:

          Absolutely the vileprogs and dems are only good at whining and making fun of people in an undignified and racist manner . It is by no means too late to turn back and repeal this gigantic bedsore on the backside of American healthcare . It might be the only way to save it , now.

        • Lulu says:

          The Dems booby-trapped their own “legacy” law. It makes you wonder are they crazy or really that stupid. I still think it will be repealed possibly this year when Dem congresscritters are confronted with printed funeral programs shaken in their faces on the street.

      • 49erDweet says:

        The saddest part is actual died-in-the-wool Repubs currently in office will read this load of dung and accept the meme it is on THEM to “fix” things now best left broken. Sigh! If only there were packs of starving dogs roaming DC things might self-correct themselves.

        • 1539days says:

          There are basically two reasons why Republicans would go against Ted Cruz and not try to repeal Obamacare. One is that they knew the program would be a colossal failure and only letting it fail would bring them the electoral victories more important than the well being of the citizens. The other is that Republicans think they can use the ACA as a shell to put in their own earmarks and social engineering into.

          Either prospect is scary.

        • lyn says:

          ^This^

  13. foxyladi14 says:

    Veto proof!!!! 😀

  14. The Klown says:
  15. DeniseVB says:

    And the fun continues……

    http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/01/03/doctors-office-spends-2-hours-on-hold-with-health-insurer-for-patients-surgery-authorization/

    It’s like 3 different universes now … the patient, the doctor, the insurance company.

    • mcnorman says:

      2 hours? That’s it? I spent 3 on with the big ble yesterday. Got cut off twice and placed in the wrong cue also. I like to leave my phone on speakerphone so that patients can hear the bs that takes place on the integrated voice system. They are usually frightened by the time that they walk out as I am still on hold.

      It has always been three entities, people just didn’t realize how often the insurance company was also in bed with them.

      • 1539days says:

        Rand Paul has said before that when he was a doctor, he had to compete with the free market for things like laser eye surgery and contact lenses that were not covered by insurance. If health care costs are too high, making people pay directly would bring them down. By the way, we already pay for everything we get, it’s just that insurance premiums spread it out and insurance companies renegotiate the price. There’s no free lunch, just a lot of waiters looking for a tip.

  16. Propertius says:

    So what’s the plan, Stan?

    Wait until everyone who has lost their insurance dies. That way, we’ll have 100% coverage!

    • Constance says:

      That plan could help with the social security and medicare problems too. Get the Boomers to die a decade early and not pay out all of their contributions which the Government could then keep.

  17. The Klown says:

    When I was in basic training at Ft. McClellan Alabama, OU played Alabama in a regular season game. The next day my Okie drill Sgt. showed up with a shiner he got in a fight at an local bar with some Bama fans.

    • Somebody says:

      Haha, I told you the second half was going to take a lot of alcohol!!!

      In her defense you have no idea what he was saying or what happened before the clip. Things happen at football games. I got in a fight once at a Jaguar game with another Jaguar fan no less, for the record this was completely out of character for me. It wasn’t really much of a fight he was too fat and lazy to get out of his seat. It was the 1st season they played, one of the first few games. The Jaguars were on defense, it was 3rd down in a tight game and everybody was on their feet yelling and making noise for the defensive stand. Several times duing the game when I would jump up and cheer, like when we scored or what have you, the fat bastard behind me would yell at me to sit down, kick me, etc. In the 3rd quarter on the play mentioned above the asshole hit me in the head with a half full beer bottle. I turned around and had “words” with him, he then came up with a thermos and smacked me across the face. At that point I found my Alabama roots and I took care of the fat bastard, it took a couple of men to pull me off of him. He got so upset he wet his pants btw, haha! Security came running and he was the one thrown out of the game, not me.

      He continued to be a problem game after game, they moved his seat and he was still a problem, he eventually lost his tickets. He should’ve opted for opera seats if he wanted everybody to stay seated and quiet.

      Emotions run high during any football game. The Sooner guy could have thrown something at her or who knows what. I’ve been to many UA games and I find most of the fans to be very pleasant, but there are always a few bad apples in any crowd.

      • The Klown says:

        I’m guessing there was alcohol involved.

        Just a hunch.

        • Somebody says:

          In the video above? I agree most likely there was alcohol involved.

          If you’re referring to my incidence, I was stone cold sober…..not sure about fat bastard. Like I said he was thrown out of the game, I reacted in self defense to him hitting me in the face with a thermos.

          • The Klown says:

            South of the Mason-Dixon and west of the Pecos, the proper ladylike response to boorish behavior is a fist in the face. Sometimes more than one.

            Any gentleman who is being chastised by a lady for his boorish behavior will take his beating like a man. Any guy who resists such chastisement may be thoroughly thrashed by any and all gentlemen (and/or gentleladies) in the vicinity.

            This is what is known as “civility” among polite folk.

        • Somebody says:

          That about sizes it up, but fat bastard’s behavior was beyond boorish.

          BTW the men around me pulled me off of him so they could have a go at him, LOL! My husband was 20 rows down and oblivious to it all until security showed up. I was sitting in one of his co-worker’s seats instead of mine because my BIL was sitting in my seat. We had a large group of ATCs with season tickets altogether we had 25 rows in one section.

  18. John Denney says:

    I am still amazed that Nancy Pelosi was reelected after saying, “We have to pass the law to find out what’s in it.”

    • piper says:

      San Francisco where many lowfo libs occupy space and vote for any democrat.

      • angienc says:

        Not just that — San Francisco is in a state that just allowed an illegal immigrant to hold a law license & practice law there.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Before I left the Dem plantation, I was brainwashed into thinking the worst Dem was always better than the best Republican, because evil and rich. Then 2008 rolled around and not all of us (Hillary or Edwards supporters) would fall in lockstep behind Obama which then became “you’re either with us or the hell with you”. Then Sarah’s public flogging, even by feminists (stay home with your children!) pretty much sealed the deal. I haven’t looked back.

  19. helenk3 says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/?p=166484

    backtrack bunch estimate of how many people would lose employee health insurance. this was done in 2010

    THEY KNEW THE DAMAGE IT WOULD CAUSE

  20. piper says:

    Talk about people like rev. al, jackson, et al whining about showing ID to vote. In the last several weeks I have been to my dr. office, radiology and lab where they have all asked for insurance card and picture ID. Amazingly everyone at the clinic was able to produce ID.

  21. votermom says:

    OT. For iphone/ipad user, the free app of the week seems useful
    Scanner pro – scan a page & turn it into a pdf

  22. votermom says:

    Btw, Al Gore dropped a ton of global warming on my driveway. I’m so tired from shoveling.

  23. The Klown says:

    Local Church Full Of Brainwashed Idiots Feeds Town’s Poor Every Week

    Sources confirmed today that the brainwashed morons at First Baptist Assembly of Christ, all of whom blindly accept whatever simplistic fairy tales are fed to them, volunteer each Wednesday night to provide meals to impoverished members of the community. “Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in town who have fallen on hard times and are unable to afford to put food on the table, so we try to help out as best we can,” said 48-year-old Kerri Bellamy, one of the mindless sheep who adheres to a backward ideology and is incapable of thinking for herself, while spooning out homemade shepherd’s pie to a line of poor and homeless individuals. “It feels great to share our blessings with the less fortunate. Plus, it’s fun to work alongside all the members of our [corrupt institution of propaganda and lies] who come out each week.” As of press time, the brainless, unthinking lemmings had donated winter clothing they no longer wore to several needy families and still hadn’t opened their eyes to reality.

  24. DeniseVB says:

    About time…… 😀

  25. Constance says:

    Dropped by The Confluence for the first time in a long while. Riverdaughter sounds very down. Not angry, just down. Kind of sad because she seems to not be able to help lashing out at people.

    • The Klown says:

      Then she can’t figure out why nobody wants to be around her.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I drive by on occasion, she only seems to post about once a month now and losing most of her most rabid supporters. Wonder where they are now (ralphie?). It’s funny how many old blogs I still read, yet still find no common ground in their angst. Still hate the right more than they can defend the left. I stopped following Amy Siskind for that reason too. Had hoped she found the common ground between NOW and Hating Sarah Palin. Nope.

  26. r u reddy says:

    The Republicans have no intention to repeal Obamacare. They especially want to preserve the forced mandate at all costs . . . for the same reason that Roberts upheld it to begin with. They will strip some things out (the Ochanges maybe) and change some things around, and transform it into the pure Heritage Plan which Obama and the insurance industry jointly plowed the ground for.

    Since global warming is a topic of recurring interest here, here is an article about this last November being the average hottest November in Australia so far.
    http://www.juancole.com/2014/01/australia-hottest-instability.html
    Just some more databits for the grinder.

    Since the subject of Greece’s economic condition and future has come up, a Greek economist named Yanis Varoufakis who speaks and reads Greek and sometimes goes to Greece has been writing blogposts about that on a blog called Naked Capitalism, which is blogrolled in this blog. Here is a bunch of Varoufakis titles clickable
    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7tn5nMdSUmYAV.Wl87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRiY2sDYWxwMDBzOTk2ajkwbyUyNmIlM0QzJTI2cyUzRDgzBGZyAwRtdGVzdGlkA251bGwEbl9yc2x0AzAEbl9zdWdnAzQEb3JpZ2luA3NlYXJjaC55YWhvby5jb20EcG9zAzAEcHFzdHIDBHBxc3RybAMEcXN0cmwDMzMEcXVlcnkDbmFrZWQgY2FwaXRhbGlzbSB5YW5pcyB2YXJvdWZha2lzBHRfc3RtcAMxMzg4ODEzNTc3NTcxBHZ0ZXN0aWQDbnVsbA–?gprid=cVEImFvnSJCYrcAwtrtEhA&pvid=VQ1DQkgeurCq5ADiUmmkGAjXjdYR3lLHnPkAB3QU&p=naked+capitalism+yanis+varoufakis&fr=sfp&fr2=&iscqry=

    Here is an example of one of his blogposts . . .
    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/06/yanis-varoufakis-greece-is-finished.html

    Just a gift for any who might be interested.

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