The Toxicity of Hate


Rick Moran at PJ Tatler discusses some recent incidents at MSNBC:

But really, I think what’s going on at MSNBC is the same thing that’s going on at many liberal blogs and in the liberal commentariat, not to mention in liberal salons and liberal coffee klatches all over the country. […]

Harris-Perry, Baldwin, Bashir, Schultz, and Hayes are not doing anything differently in front of the camera than they do when in casual conversation among themselves and their liberal friends. The wildly exaggerated caricatures of conservatives they routinely use to describe their political opponents — ascribing evil intent to every action, every utterance — is part of liberal culture. It’s a laziness of thought and mind that has become second nature to them. And, secure in their arrogant belief of moral superiority, they fail to see their own racism, their own bigotry, their own hateful, hurtful attitudes unless someone steps out and throws it in their face.

It makes you think, what are they apologizing for? They’re not sorry. This is how they talk. This is what they think.

It won’t be long before another MSNBC host steps over the line of decency. Perhaps it’s too much to demand fairness from the network. But perhaps we can ask for a little honesty from transgressors who aren’t really sorry about trashing their opponents as much as they are about getting caught at it.

I don’t watch MSNBC but I seem to spend a lot of time writing about them and the utterances of their staff members. That’s because MSNBC is a toxic environment – a literal hostile workplace. They HATE conservative Republicans.

Let’s take Sarah Palin. I like and admire Sarah, but the truth is what she does these days really isn’t news. She is a private citizen, an author, a public speaker, an advocate and a television personality/commentator/celebrity. As a public figure she is a legitimate target for criticism, but these days she is not particularly newsworthy.

She was the Governor of Alaska and then she was selected to be John McCain’s running mate. They lost, and she went back to Alaska. But she continued to make national news. So did her kids. So did her daughter’s baby-daddy. So did her daughter’s baby-daddy’s mother and sister.

It got so bad she quit her day job job as governor and went pro as a celebrity. She made some nice coin writing books and giving speeches. Even her daughter managed to cash in a little on her mother’s fame. But almost none of it was genuinely newsworthy.

Jump forward a few years to November 2013. Sarah Palin makes some comments comparing the federal debt to slavery. Hyperbole? Maybe, but hardly offensive.

But then Martin Bashir, an MSNBC host with his own eponymous show, blasted her comments and suggested that she should be punished by having someone urinate and defecate into her mouth. He got fired, but only after an uproar and a few weeks delay. He apologized, but MSNBC did not.

A few weeks later another MSNBC host (Melissa Harris-Perry) aired a segment about private citizen Mitt Romney’s black grandson. She subsequently apologized, both on Twitter and on the air.

Although I believe in individual responsibility and don’t want to absolve Bashir and Harris-Perry of any blame, in both cases I believe the real culprit is MSNBC.

Television is very competitive and television news is no exception. There is a lot of pressure to produce ratings. There is also pressure to produce original content. This is true at all the news networks, but in both cases the pressure comes from the network executives.

MSNBC’s business model depends heavily on attacking Republicans and other conservatives. That seems to be their prime focus. That focus determines what stories they consider news and how those stories are presented.

MSNBC sees themselves as the “anti-FOX” network. They intentionally present the news from a pro-Democrat/progressive viewpoint. That is perfectly legitimate, the First Amendment doesn’t say the press has to be neutral or fair.

The problem is that MSNBC has created an environment that causes its employees to lose perspective. The fact is that Bashir and Harris-Perry initially saw nothing wrong with there controversial segments, and neither did anyone else at MSNBC. (If they saw it they either didn’t speak up or they were ignored.)

I really don’t give a shit about MSNBC. What bothers me is that the same toxic hate we see at MSNBC currently occupies the White House. To be fair, I first noticed that same kind of sneering contempt for the political opposition coming from the Shrub Bush administration. It was ugly and disturbing back then too, but it seems worse now.

When George W. Bush left office I stopped caring about him. In a few years I hope to do the same with Barack Obama.

I guess I’m not a hater.

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106 Responses to The Toxicity of Hate

  1. The Klown says:

    A proper essay should have a conclusion that neatly wraps everything up in a bow. Unfortunately, lots of times I just sort of run out of gas and stop writing.

  2. DeniseVB says:

    About that ” comedienne” who made the joke about Pearl Harbor survivors on New Years Eve……she’s not apologizing.

    I turned off MSNBC years ago when I stopped agreeing with their politics. According to their dismal ratings, so did a lot of other people. In the cable news business, the numbers drive the ad revenue, I don’t know how they survive.

    • DandyTIger says:

      They survive just like a lot of cable channels survive, you’re required to have them in your package. So they make money no matter what. They clearly don’t make as much money as FoxNews, but they’re making more than most cable channels. Less money though means more and more opinion and smaller budgets.

  3. angienc says:

    Harris-Perry apologized saying she didn’t intend to mock baby Keiran Romney — I believe her. Her intent was to say that Romney — like *all* Republicans/conservatives/non-Kool Aid swilling Americans — is a racist. She hasn’t apologized for that & she does not intend to.

    • I for one think that her almost tears were fake. just sayin….

      of course Hillary Clinton’s tears before the NH primary were cause for derision by the bozos at MSNBC. The same people praising Perry for her tears of sincerity were the ones mocking Hillary for same. I think that sums it all up….

      • The Klown says:

        If what she said was just one isolated incident that would be one thing. But it’s not isolated, it is a continuing pattern of conduct.

        Mitt Romney has way more class than me. I woulda said some shit and told them to GFY

    • fif says:

      Michael Meyers, executive director of the New York Civil Rights Coalition: “It’s worse than divisive. It’s crying racism where the racism doesn’t exist. They just make this stuff up. Everything becomes about race, about calling people racists when they haven’t said anything racist. It’s Orwellian Doublespeak.”

      “It’s a literal blacklist. The whole purpose is to silence you and to marginalize you. People don’t want to be called racist, particularly when they’re not racist,” he said.

      Well…let’s look back. Where did this start? Who set the tone? How about smearing the Clintons as racist, taking what Bill said about a “fairy tale” totally out of context to strategically destroy their support from the African American community. Otherwise, Obama would not have been able to “win” the nomination. The fish rots from the head.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Obama did win and made it worse. He had an opportunity to put racism to rest, but then used racism to quiet his critics. Where’s Meyers been these past 5 years? Could have used his voice in early 2012. 🙂

        • catarina says:

          Myers has been a Fox guest for years. Hannity loves him.
          He’s a little kooky but destroys race baiters. Fun to watch.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Ahh, Hannity. I don’t watch prime time news because I’m burned out by then, so that’s how I’ve missed Meyers 😉

        • catarina says:

          I like to watch Hannity once in a while.
          He doesn’t take any crap from his Dem guests and he reports on stories no one else will touch.
          If he has guests on like Ann Coulter or Rick Santorum I quickly reach for the clicker.

      • lyn says:

        ^This^ Racism lost its punch when Obama and his minions used it to shut down opposition. Call me a racist, and I will laugh in your face. I oppose Obama because he is the worst president ever.

  4. Lulu says:

    I don’t know exactly when the Democrats, the Vile Progs subset in particular, tipped over into the class, regional, sex, age, faux intelligentsia hatred but it went full tilt in 2007-2008. It is based upon deep feelings of insecurity (economic and social), and fear (that they really are not good enough to cut it which is proving to be true). It became socially acceptable (and politically) with the Obama’s (and their coterie) to not only think horrible and hateful things about anyone who opposed them or questioned them but to SAY IT OUT LOUD.

    They thought they had the political and social upper hand and have to a certain extent with the complete acquiescence of the media, social institutions, academia, and business. But as Obama administration’s deep ignorance and incompetence, academia’s insanity (Dr Ice Flow stuck in the “summer” ice and Prof Free Grades for football players in NC), media’s slow motion bankruptcy, and big health insurance’s kleptocracy paired political machines is exposed, the tolerance for the junior high level, mean girl, stream of consciousness bile is over. Bullies are insecure usually for good reason. I do not care if they cry. I just want them to STFU as they are not fit for polite company. And now with their decreased social power we can tell them so. Let us not forget to kick them on the way down as they kicked everyone on the way up. War, even political and social varieties, is hell.

    • leslie says:

      “It became socially acceptable (and politically) with the Obama’s (and their coterie) to not only think horrible and hateful things about anyone who opposed them or questioned them but to SAY IT OUT LOUD.”
      And that’s because………..racist. It wasn’t even called “poor sport”. Nope. Every comment not in 100% support of TehWon was pure and simple “racism”. And it continues. The people who were at the same NYEve celebration as I, were all over the, “people who don’t support Obama just don’t want a black man in the White House” meme. I tried to challenge that with FACTS about what he has or has not done, and they agreed — and immediately returned to their mantra. It’s tiresome trying to combat their illogic. I don’t know why I try. When I do, they then accuse me of being simple minded and of getting all my info from FoxNews, or the Internet. They, of course get their news from the NYTimes and WaPo. *shaking head*

  5. The Klown says:
    • Lulu says:

      This hateful condescending shit IS their business plan. So are they going to change it because it is no longer acceptable or because it is loosing money? Are the ad dollars fleeing to another network?

      • DeniseVB says:

        To CNN ? Jay Leno may be going to work for them. Even if he pulls in only half his late night viewers, it would double CNN’s numbers 🙂

        Remember the great lefty experiment Air America? I think that’s what MSNBC is morphing into. Even as a rabid lib, I found AA hard to listen too. Just a bunch of ranting and raving blowhards with an agenda, mostly to hate anyone who wouldn’t agree with them.

        Some of these names(from their old schedule) appear frequently on MSNBC ….

        It died a slow miserable death and they blamed the economy 😉

  6. elliesmom says:

    I don’t disagree with a single thing you wrote.

    I think the root of the problem started with kids no longer being expected to accept and respond to truthful, constructive criticism. If the teacher says your handwriting could stand to be a little neater, it’s not because she can’t read it and would like to be able to judge your work on its merits rather than how long it takes her to decipher it. It’s because she doesn’t like you for whatever reason you might belong to a grievance group. And in schools the “grievance groups” are legion. When all criticism is accepted as “hate”, you can’t have a constructive conversation about it. Kids aren’t learning any of the skills required to discuss disagreement. They aren’t learning how to distinguish legitimate argument from hyperbole. They aren’t learning how to defend their own position with substantive points. They’re going through life with their relationships with people who aren’t exactly like them stunted at the playground level.

    It’s easy to blame the lack of civility on the internet, but a trip down the highway at rush hour can be equally uncivil. People have always been rude. People have always been wary of people and things that are different. As a society we worked hard to establish “rules” for how we behave. Not because we’re authoritarian, but because those rules provide a scaffold for living in a world of differences while maintaining respect. We used to look to our public figures to model that behavior, and we mocked them when they didn’t. I think that’s what changed in 2007/2008. We had a public figure who either didn’t know how to or just didn’t showcase civility. And mocking him for it was off the table. Closer to home people didn’t know how to talk about that any more. The Vile Progs only learned how to sling poop, and the rest had not learned how you respond to that so they lay themselves down to be pooped on.

    All is not lost. We can insist our next president be a man or woman with grace and dignity. We can teach kids how to accept and respond to people who have different values. It might take a generation. But we can do it. In the meantime we can make it socially unacceptable to be rude. It would at least get it out of the public eye.

    • piper says:

      So true

    • Lulu says:

      Yep. And the blame it on someone else culture. It is laziness and immaturity to never examine your own actions, words and or accept responsibility. MSNBC is in deep crap. It is a failing venture, probably loosing money hand over fist, with self-proclaimed smart children running the show.

      From one of the comments” “If you listen to MSNBC on sat radio, they sound like a bunch of 8th graders talking about the kids they don’t like….”

      • Constance says:

        But NBC and MSNBC are owned by Comcast, the cable company, and so no matter how few viewers they have they will be force fed into your home as part of your basic cable subscription because they are one of Comcast’s ad venues.

        And our Congress is owned by multinational corporations like Comcast and so they will never pass a law that allows consumers to pick and pay for only the channels they want. Unwanted channels like MSNBC create a cultural pollution in the USA. Media people always say Americans demand garbage TV because American culture sucks. Well NO!, we do not demand this crap, we sign up for cable so we can get clear reception on Public Broadcasting and a few ball games and we get Corporate cultural pollution shoved up our butts and down our throats and then they send us an inflated bill.

    • DeniseVB says:

      em, when I read this, I thought of you. Ben Carson may be the most inspiring (black or white) person to speak on education since Bill Cosby waged war on the NAACP 🙂

      He and his brother went from poverty and being the dumbest kids in the class to brain surgeon and rocket scientist. Mom only had a 3rd grade education and worked as a cleaning lady. She noticed the wealthier people had an education, she went home and turned off the t.v. and made the boys read books. Mom finished her education, college and received an honorary Ph.d. recently.

      It can be done 🙂

      • elliesmom says:

        So many of the people commenting point out the Carson boys had a mother who cared enough to push her boys, and they suggest the government has an obligation to step in for the kids who don’t. They completely miss their mother had no one pushing her, and yet she managed to get her boys educated and eventually herself. The most important point I think Carson makes is the desire to better ourselves has to come from within. There’s no better way to teach that than by example. Once a family gets one kid through college, it’s like a dam breaking. It’s getting the first one there that’s hard. My father’s youngest brother was the first to go to college on that side of my family, The next generation a lot of the kids did. I was the first on my mom’s side. My younger brother followed me, and all four of our kids have or are working on degrees. But first someone had to want it for himself and had to show it could be done.

  7. Constance says:

    Check this out, you can check the only cable channels you like and see how much your bill would be if you didn’t have to subsidize corporate propaganda like MSNBC.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I just deleted 3, MSNBC, CNBC, MTV, so I only save 2.40/mo. I think we have a higher tier and get every freaking sports channel in the world that even my husband doesn’t watch. I’d delete Oprah (OWN) but it wasn’t listed. We’re bundled with Fios, they control our whole house 😀

      • foxyladi14 says:

        We are controlled or sure!! 👿

      • votermom says:

        I liked FIOS but it has such a big gap between the barely acceptable tier and the next one up.
        Comcast has a tier in the middle of that I think.

        • Mt.Laurel says:

          My comcast starter digital tier includes Hallmark’s two channels and Turner Classic Movies, the three stations my mother watches most other than Antenna and MeTV (which run on local stations digital signals – so technically you don’t need cable). Plus BBC.

          We are just getting FIOS in our neighborhood and when I checked to get those channels with the FIOS I would have to go up to a far more expensive tier.

          Will probably end up moving to crapcast for Internet as well. I currently have phone/DSL wth Verizon and word is that they force the old accounts to move to FIOS whether they want it or not as they do not want not have to service both FIOS and the older analog/copper (plus they are no longer training anyone to fix copper lines).

        • votermom says:

          The other thing is that FIOS “taxes & fees” is over $20 on top of the rate, while cable is less than $5, iirc from the last time I compared, so you have to factor that in too.

        • DeniseVB says:

          FIOS is perfect for us (as long as hubster can get his Red Zone Football channel every year). I’d like the option to get the Glenn Beck channel, but he’s only on DISH-tv. Our bundled bill (landline phone, cable, internet) is 175/mo. w/o HBO. There’s about 60 commerical-free movie channels we get and never watch included.

          I’m with Constance on this, we should be able to pick a la cart. Free market and all 🙂

        • Ann says:

          Fios is not cheap, but the internet is fast, fast, fast! I’d actually hesitate to move to an area without Fios.

          Yeah, Verizon owns me.

    • Constance says:

      My new bill is only $15. a month and I left on every channel I might sort of kinda watch.

    • votermom says:

      This is an interesting site – says it lists which networks/business/etc support which political groups

    • DandyTIger says:

      This sort of thing is why cutting the cable is becoming a movement and a trend. Still a long way to go. But the cable industry is scared to death of it. You cut your cable, then get paid media via iTunes, Netflix, Amazon, etc., either via some sort of smart tv or tv box (AppleTV, etc.). That also includes youtube and other media streaming apps on those boxes like Hulu, etc.. And then you can go directly to the source like cable or network channels too. You can go from $100/mo to $5 or $10/mo with pretty much the same stuff you watch. The only down side right now are the holdouts like HBO, etc. that don’t let you subscribe directly to their own shows without cable. I suspect that will change very soon. There’s a TV revolution going on. Don’t tell Comcast.

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  10. helenk3 says:

    this is just plain weird. Does this mean you do not have to obey federal laws anymore?

    • Feebs have always been “selectjve enforcers”, so the LE claim was deceiving. They are basically PR specialists, expending copious energy whenever bigwigs thought positive news coverage would be forthcoming. Any negative problematic case would usually be quietly dropped.

  11. helenk3 says:

    global warming group that got stuck in ice need to plant 5000 trees to offset the carbon footprint caused by having to rescue them

  12. helenk3 says:

    backtrack bunch strike again.
    talk about wanting service workers to get more wages, take away wages in new ruling

  13. DeniseVB says:

    Michelle staying on Oprah’s Hawaiian farm ?

    Someone over at WHD saw an article (now scrubbed) mentioning Oprah’s house near a very poshy, poshy rehab clinic that has just closed for a week.

    So we flew her to Maui ? With a security detail and motorcade? I assumed she was staying at the same house they vacayed in.

    Stay tuned.

  14. helenk3 says:

    per FOX News

    backtrack to provide armed drones to Iraq

  15. Mt.Laurel says:


    I went to pick up prescriptions for my mother this morning. In front of me three different people ended up canceling prescriptions. They were ready to pay their co-pays – but were billed for the full amount. Turns out – they must now meet their deductible first. No co-pays kick in on anything until the deductible is met. The pharmacy workers look as if they have spent the last week having to explain this to a lot of people. New Year. New Rules. New Bama.

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    Sprite is a hangover cure, and there’s even science behind it:

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    “The First Lady stayed behind in Hawaii, and the White House said that was an early birthday present from the President. Does that mean he’s paying for the flight back, or are the taxpayers paying for it?” Henry asked.

    “As with all personal travel, the first family will appropriately fund personal expenses, Ed, and in line with past presidents and first ladies,” Carney responded, adding “The First Lady will travel via government aircraft, but you are accurate in your description that this was a, her decision to remain in Hawaii, the President’s suggestion that she remain in Hawaii to spend time with friends ahead of this very big birthday, if you have kids, you know that telling your spouse they can spend a week away from home is a big present. Not that we don’t love our kids.”

    IOW – Yes.

    • elliesmom says:

      I get the need to have some time away from the kids when you have a husband that works 60 hours a week or more and all of the kids are under 5. But Mrs. Obama has teenagers, her mother living in, and a staff to see to her every need. It’s not her kids she needs some time away from. My guess is she hardly ever sees them. It’s either her husband or some mood altering substances she needs some time away from. Or she’s getting some surgery.

  26. The Klown says:

    I feel sorry for any FSU and Auburn fans with heart problems.

  27. helenk3 says:

    why I get angry sometime at really stupid people

    because of fucking idiots just like this one

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