Tin Foil Tuesday: Is There a Method to His Madness?


Victor Davis Hanson:

Obama’s Recessional

Does Barack Obama have a strategy? He is often criticized for being adrift.

Nonetheless, while Obama has never articulated strategic aims in the manner of Ronald Reagan or the two Bushes, it is not therefore true that there is no “Obama Doctrine.” Indeed, now that he has been in office five years, we can see an overarching common objective in otherwise baffling foreign-policy misadventures.

Collate the following: large defense cuts, the president’s suspicions that he is being gamed by the military, the pullout from the anti-missile defense pact in Eastern Europe, the pressure on Israel to give new concessions to its neighbors, the sudden warming up with an increasingly Islamist Turkey, the failed reset with Russia, radical nuclear-arms-reduction talks, the abject withdrawal of all U.S. peacekeeping forces in Iraq, the timetable withdrawals in Afghanistan, the new worries of our Asian and Middle Eastern allies, the constant euphemisms on the war on terror, the stepped-up drone attacks, the lead-from-behind removal of Moammar Qaddafi, the pullaway from Mubarak in Egypt, the support for Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood, the pink lines in Syria, the Iranian missile deal, the declaration that al-Qaeda was on the run and the war on terror essentially ending, the Benghazi coverup, and on and on.

Does such American behavior display any consistent strategic coherence?

I think it most certainly does.

The Obama administration believes that past administrations’ strategic objectives and the methods of achieving them not only were flawed, but led to the sort of world that is not in our interests as defined by the Obama team. The contemporary world landscape is an unfair place. “Have” nations exploit the “have-nots,” in large part because of the rigged postwar system of free-market commerce, alliances, and politics that the United States created. While it would be dangerous and indeed impossible to abruptly disown our responsibilities — we can still hunt down bin Laden, kill terrorists with drones, and jawbone rogue dictators — we can begin to withdraw our sponsorship from the mess that, in a variety of ways, we were responsible for.

Our past and most secure alliances — the special relationships with Britain and Israel especially — are now seen as having alienated more people than they encouraged. Islamist movements in Turkey and Egypt were either inevitable or justified, given historical grievances against the West and the fact that they reflect grass-roots indigenous support.


Summed up, the Obama Doctrine is a gradual retreat of the American presence worldwide — on the theory that our absence will lead to a vacuum better occupied by regional powers that know how to manage their neighborhood’s affairs and have greater legitimacy in their own spheres of influence. Any damage that might occur with the loss of the American omnipresence does not approximate the harm already done by American intrusiveness. The current global maladies — Islamist terrorism, Middle Eastern tensions, Chinese muscle-flexing, Russian obstructionism, resurgence of Communist autocracy in Latin America — will fade once the United States lowers its profile and keeps out of other nations’ business.


For Obama, America abroad is analogous to the 1 percent at home. We need not squabble over the reasons why the wealthiest Americans enjoy unequal access to the things money can buy, or why America, of all nations, finds itself with unmatched global clout and influence. The concern is only that such privilege exists; that it is unfair; that it has led to injustice for the majority; and that it must be changed.


Just as the United States would be a lot better place if a few million were not so rich, so too the world would be better off if the United States — and to a lesser extent Europe — were not so powerful and interventionist.

That is a scary thought. Were the foreign policy blunders of the past five years intentional? If so, it’s really just a return to the Carter Doctrine.

I don’t believe it.

Obama’s foreign policy has too much in common with his domestic policy – inept, amateurish, stumbling from one crisis to another, and all of it based on narcissistic hubris.

Obama’s two signature policy achievements are Obamacare and the so-called Arab Spring. Both have turned out to be disasters. The real problem for Obama has not been GOP obstructionism. He mostly got his way in his first term, the problem is that his way was the wrong way. During his first three years foreign policy seemed to be the one bright spot in his administration, but the past two years have seen that house of cards collapse.

Of course his foreign policy team deserves much of the blame as well, but the buck stops in the Oval Office.

Hanlon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. – Robert J. Hanlon.

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127 Responses to Tin Foil Tuesday: Is There a Method to His Madness?

  1. votermom says:

    The thing is he is surrounded by bad people taking advantage of his ineptness and disinterest to further their own agendas.
    I think his admin is infiltrated by both the MB and commies, so our foreign policy reflects that.

  2. jeffhas says:

    A ‘Strategy’ (any strategy) by nature of it bring a plan of some sort would have markers of consistency… All you need is Libya vs Syria, Egypt vs. Iran to see this administration has no planned strategy, no consistency. One could only wish for such a diabolical strategy, then at least you could see some competence. This sad fact of actual complete incompetence (and inexperience) just makes for chaos and worry over any new crisis that could take place – it’s not like we have any idea what this administration would do, they could try almost ANYTHING as a reaction, because they have already.

  3. DeniseVB says:

    I saw an interview where Lou Dobbs (Fox Business) was asked if he thought Obama was ruining the country on purpose. He laughed and laughed …. nope, he’s not that smart and takes really bad advice.

    Then you have to wonder why the GOP lets him keep running the country poorly (and to the poor house).

    • jeffhas says:

      He picked a really good campaign team, they had targets and a strategy based on data that had not really been utilized yet – and it worked. Credit where credit is due, they changed the dynamics of modern campaigns. So what? That does not equate to really good governing strategy – in fact , it looks like all they ever were really interested in or were passionate about was winning campaigns (even the most aggressive use of the administrations time spent on his signature program, Obamacare, has been a campaign for Obamacare) .

      Sad for all of us who needed and expected good governing…. But it was all there for anyone to see before the 2008 election… If only they were interested in looking.

      • DeniseVB says:

        it certainly was our first American Idol President with help of the race card and a friendly media. We (well, the idiot voters) were sold snake oil with all that hopey, changey crap. And he was re-elected. Ugh.

      • driguana says:

        Yes, this is very interesting. Whenever I ask any of my liberal friends to tell me what Obama’s qualifications were to be president the only consistent response is….he ran a great campaign. Like that qualifies someone to be president! Well, guess it did. And the “strategy” for that was very simple….make the other people look really, really bad.
        If you want consistency, that has always been Obama’s strategy. He did it by using divorce information against both Blair Hull and Jack Ryan in his Illinois Senate campaigns. It’s all there if you go back and look at it…..but the media would never do that….still won’t. And, of course, the same tactics were used against Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney. I can’t help but think that the same strategy should now be used against him. Because there is no doubt that he is incompetent.

        The other thing mentioned about his qualifications is that he was a “community organizer”…and the country needed that. Well, go back and read about the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, his great community organizing accomplishment…..it’s all there.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Even Obama said “running a campaign” was his executive experience. Yet I somehow doubt Oprah would hire him to run her company.

        • Constance says:

          I would love to see Obama’s strategy of making opponents look bad used against him. But he has his team of professional fluffers in the corporate media to protect him.

      • 49erDweet says:

        Interesting thread. Future campaigns will need to keep in mind he’s also destroyed the MSM and they will need to recreate their own, an expensive undertaking. (Usual exception applies). Big task but better tools are available now so it might turn out to be a blessing.

        • Constance says:

          Very true, the Media have zero credibility at this point, most channels aren’t even watchable. The print media are loosing money if they haven’t gone out of business. The only thing saving TV media is the business model of mandatory subscription that cable TV runs. But that is breaking down fast and no one would subscribe to MSNBC or CNN individually if they had a choice.

      • Constance says:

        I think the campaign team picked Obama. But who is really in control and directing Obama is the mystery to me. Maybe you are right and all they ever wanted was to win campaigns. I think there is at least an ideology if not a plan that inspires them.

        • 49erDweet says:

          Honk. Best evidence agrees. “They” selected him.

        • cynic says:

          Who is he, really? This has been years in the planning, but who is behind it, and why him? The more I think, read, research, the more confused I get, and ask myself, ‘why am I even bothering’? It won’t change a dang blasted thing. I could be knitting instead!

          We know that they have been preparing him for this for years. Really, writing an autobiography in the 90’s? He didn’t do much in the IL Senate besides vote ‘present’ 120+ times.

          I have a story, which I have conveyed only once on line. Shortly after that, our internet was shut down. We called our carrier and they said that the SEC ordered it. If they shut us down again, the fine will be over $7,000, and if it happens a third time, we are barred from the internet. Now knowing about the whole NSA thing, I have a bit of

          Do I take a chance and tell the story once more? I will say this. In May of 2012, I was attending a neighborhood cookout. My neighbor has been a radio personality his whole life. He said that in the 90’s, someone sent him a book to read, and he would be calling for his take on it. It was “Dreams from my Father”. My neighbor read it, and told the guy that clearly Obama was a Marxist being raised by Marxists.
          Then the guy asked him, “What do you know of Bill Ayers?” My neighbor said, “Didn’t he have some involvement with the Weather Underground?”, in which the man said, “Watch him.”

          Then the man asked, “What do you know of David Axelrod?”, and my neighbor said, “Don’t know anything about him.” to which he replied, “Watch him.”

          Then the man said that Obama would be president, and would win a second term. Again, this conversation occurred in the 90’s, when very few people even knew who Obama was. There was more, and I debate with myself in writing it. I could, and just add, it’s Tinfoil Hat Tuesday. It does have to do with him by-passing the constitution.

          Now, think about how the Dems gave him that great speech to read at the 2004 convention, that catapulted his career.

          I just heard this a.m. that Axelrod’s mother passed away. She had quite a writing career out East. I also read one time that Axelrod was considered a red diaper baby.

          Again, I ask, why does it matter anymore? Do we actually think that we can make a difference? People rose up, called themselves the TEA Party, tried to make a difference, and they are attacked. If you don’t have control of the media/conversation, it seems useless. (Sorry for going on so long.)

        • jeffhas says:

          “I think the campaign team picked Obama.”

          I’m up for that one too… but I really believe they just did all of this out of ‘how can we win a campaign’ drive…. it does nothing once you win and have to govern. I mean, when you win state senate, you aren’t governing, you’re running for the next office, when you win US senate, same thing – you’re not stopping to govern, you’re running for the next office… then you win the presidency – and as Bob Gates has shared in his new book, from DAY 1 they were focused on re-election.

          Once they’d won that, they are left with having to actually govern. Everything they do now is a ‘campaign’ (a marketing campaign) there is no actual work being done by these people, they are only campaigning (selling) to create an agenda, and a smoke and mirrors history/legacy. It’s just a big ad buy, and we’re all the ones being marketed to – and most of the people are drinking the New Coke they have been sold.

          I can only hope some day, the marketers write books that describe the fuaxness of it all…. because the media sure as heck isn’t going to expose it – they’d have to admit they were taken in by (not-so) slick marketing.

          … and yet the people NEEDED good governance and hard working public service….

        • trixta says:

          Constance, I think it’s the Center for American Progress, founded by Podest and funded by Soros. Obama doesn’t make a move until he hears from them, it seems. (CAP gets it’s orders from Soros and other globalists.) Podesta has joined recently BO’s admin as a counselor due, in great part, to the disastrous roll out of Obamacare:


          “Podesta, a Chicago native, has served as an external adviser to Obama since working on the Obama-Biden transition to office in 2008. He founded the Center for American Progress in 2003 and, since handing off the presidency in 2011 to Neera Tanden, has served as chair and counselor to the left-leaning think tank.

          Podesta’s appointment comes as polls show Obama’s standing at an all-time low, with a majority saying he is neither honest nor trustworthy. The president’s popularity has swooned since the botched rollout of the Obamacare website, healthcare.gov. The Times said Podesta agreed to serve for one year.”

        • cynic says:

          Trixta, I agree with you on the Podesta/Soros/Center for American Progress thing.

          I think the administration understands that there is a very good chance that they might lose the Senate this election. They are in warp speed to pass as much as possible this year. Since Podesta came on board, how many times have your heard/read the Obama quotes, “I have a pen and a phone”.

    • 49erDweet says:

      As to why “the GOP” let’s him do something, it’s likely we’re past the point where “GOP” should be understood to mean “establishment GOP”. Their own vile prog contingent.
      Lower case “gop”, OTOH, could be what were formerly called “conservatives”.
      Two guesses which side controls the purse strings.

  4. The Klown says:

    Ezra Klein is leaving The Washington Post, Senior Editor Tracy Grant told staffers in a memo Tuesday. No details yet on who is backing Klein’s new venture. Full memo:

    We regret to announce that Ezra Klein, Melissa Bell and Dylan Matthews are leaving The Post for a new venture.

    All three were instrumental in two of The Post’s most successful digital initiatives, Wonkblog and Know More. We plan to continue building those brands and expanding their reach, and we’ll have some exciting announcements related to them in the coming days.

    When Ezra joined us in 2009, he was a wunderkind blogger with brash confidence and a burning desire to write a column in the print newspaper. As he leaves us, Ezra is still a brash wunderkind, but now his burning desire has a grander scope: He is looking to start his own news organization, an ambition that befits someone with uncommon gifts of perception and analysis. Ezra’s passion and drive will be missed, but we will take pride in watching him chart out his new venture.

    Melissa has played a pivotal role in our digital strategy. As director of platforms, Melissa worked with the embedded developers to introduce WordPress as a secondary CMS, allowing for much of the development experimentation we’ve seen over the last year. She took over blog strategy and worked to hone the number of blogs and strengthen existing brands. She also managed to find time for some writing while here, driving our live coverage expansion, penning a Style column for more than a year, blogging for BlogPost and Style Blog and writing magazine stories. But her biggest strength is her personality, a combination of relentless determination and self-deprecating humor that helped her motivate young developers.

    Dylan Matthews is a wunderkind in his own right. A blogger since middle school, Dylan had freelanced for Slate and worked at the American Prospect — before his 18th birthday. He started contributing to Wonkblog while still a student at Harvard and jumped in full-time in 2012. Last year he launched Know More, which was an instant hit. We will miss his humor and sharp instincts for what works on the Web.

    Please join us in wishing Ezra, Melissa and Dylan the best and thanking them for their many contributions to The Post.

    Greg Schneider
    David Cho
    Emilio Garcia-Ruiz

    This reminds me of the story of the man who had a patronage job polishing the brass cannon in front of the local courthouse. He saved up his money, bought a brass cannon, and went into business for himself.

    • Mary says:

      Wunderkinds, my ass. Ok, thanks for giving me an opportunity to say that out loud. 🙂

    • Constance says:

      Very true, and how east coast that the one woman involved was responsible for establishing a “style” (fashion/beauty) advertising venue. I wish we could get to a point where fashion/beauty was not a “female topic”. The women who immerse themselves in the fashion/beauty world are as alien to real women as the gay men who run the fashion/beauty world are to real men. And the fashion/beauty media is run as an ad venue for the industry not as something of value to women and girls.

    • jeffhas says:

      Is it unbecoming to wish total failure on this venture?

      Nothing would make me happier then watching these three nit-wits get someone to shell out serious $$ and have them end up out of business (with no Washington Post to go back to) – or like CurrenTV – sold the jihadists.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Interesting update from Breitbart, maybe Bezos is serious about saving the WaPo afterall …


      • The Klown says:

        Here is a radical idea: Bezos should staff his paper with a diverse group of ideological opinions – particularly on the editorial staff. (The “news” staff should be non-denominational.) Encourage healthy disagreement and polite debate.

        Discourage fraternization with officialdom. Prohibit reporters from giving confidentiality to official sources. Make them get management approval to go “off the record” on a case-by-case basis. Fire anyone who shills for an administration.

        I know, I’m a starry-eyed dreamer.

  5. mothy67 says:

    I can find no record of it but before 2008 there had been a story out there that a comedy was in development based on. An American Idol type run for the White House. Scrubbed?

    Also Soros is getting what he wants. The man despises American middle class. He is unequivocal about it. Watched his lecture at Columbia following the stimulus. Wikipedia calls him a philanthropist bull. He donates to fulfill his agenda. Think the man is a monster.

  6. DandyTIger says:

    Just as the United States would be a lot better place if a few million were not so rich, so too the world would be better off if the United States — and to a lesser extent Europe — were not so powerful and interventionist.

    Imagine. It’s easy if you try.

  7. helenk3 says:


    think signing up for obamacare is hard, try getting out of it.

    obamacare the new Hotel California

  8. 49erDweet says:

    Don’t blame them. Backtrack, in common with most asylum inmates, is incapable of distinguishing between “passing fancies” and “strategic policies”.

    • mothy67 says:

      Think the same applies to the average non elitist gay person. People do not want sexuality shoved down their throat non stop. Fine for the arty rarefied crowd but it is the people living day to day in less affluent echo chambers who feel the backlash.

  9. helenk3 says:


    white house seeks to bypass congress on Iran deal

    backtrack don’t need no stinkin congress

  10. Propertius says:

    I think it’s quite possible for someone to be both stupid and malicious. They’re not mutually exclusive, you know.

    • 49erDweet says:

      Both of them tried to reinvent themselves a decade or so ago and failed. Survival’s tough, baby.

      • The Klown says:

        They both had a good run. When they were coming up they killed off the competition. Now it’s their turn in the barrel.

        • 49erDweet says:

          Yep. And they had a chance to change but blew it, IMO. Life is hard. But it’s better than the alternative. Today Sears and JCP will do virtually everything that Kohl’s or Walmart will do, but it took K, W, et al coming to the marketplace for the big guys to do it. Brand loyalty doesn’t stretch that far. Adios…..

        • The Klown says:

          “If you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door.”

          You’ll also put the old mousetrap builders (and their employees) out of business.

          It’s the circle of life.

  11. 49erDweet says:

    Holding in my hand right now three, count ’em, three ripe tomatoes from “the annual bush that refused to die”. Apparently it’s not satisfied with becoming a VW Beatle. Going for Combi, now.

  12. The Klown says:

    I don’t follow or GAF about the Chris Christie Saga, and I don’t watch MSLSD, but I it’s hard to not hear about it:

    If the Democrats fear Governor Soprano that much, maybe I need to reconsider my opinion of him.

    • The Klown says:

      Hot Air:

      Obama’s always preferred to let surrogates handle race cards on his behalf, notwithstanding the occasional “police acted stupidly” or “if I had a son he would have looked like Trayvon” comment when he’s cornered on some bit of hot-button racial politics and has to speak up. The problem with surrogates, though, is that they bring their own baggage to the debate; in Sharpton’s case, that baggage could fill a few dozen shipping containers. Go figure that O doesn’t want this cretin, with the Tawana Brawley hoax and Crown Heights riot on his CV, appointing himself some sort of unofficial White House mouthpiece in attacking critics of White House policies as racist. That’s a headache for O under any circumstances but it would have been especially poisonous pre-reelection, when Democrats were desperate to keep disaffected white voters who helped elect him in 2008 in the fold. If you’re Obama, and you know you’ll have 95+ percent of the black vote on election day anyway, how does it benefit you to have Al Sharpton running around trying to “help”? Of course he told the guy to shut up.

    • 49erDweet says:

      I’m sorry. Sharpie is just a pimp. Not pure but very simple. Years ago I realized pimps weren’t gonna do me any good so I stopped listening to them. Applies in spades (no racist reference intended) to Sharpie.

  13. dailypuma says:

    So removing Hussein from power stabilized the region, or reinspired competing religious factions to seize power?

  14. westcoaster says:

    Obama’s post-racial America (cartoon):

  15. DandyTIger says:

    Breaking: VA Governor Bob McDonnell and his wife are being indicted.

    • Constance says:

      I think the Dems/Obots are starting to attack the Republicans too soon for the 2016 election. People are sick of Democrat fake scandals like some BS traffic jam in NJ. Who gives a rats ass?

      • DandyTIger says:

        It’s a real scandal. But it’s pretty minor compared to most, and probably very had to prove. Waste of time. And it will probably backfire on them. Going after people out of office looks political and petty.

        • 49erDweet says:

          Because it is. Interesting to see how they will try to fireproof the AG after he leaves office. He might end up doing some serious prison time if they don’t come up with something iron-proof. Payback sucks. He’s one that owed a bunch!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • DeniseVB says:

      Here it is: http://dcist.com/2014/01/former_va_gov_bob_mcdonnell_wife_ch.php

      Sounds like the Mrs. may have a spending problem, but still seems picky. Can every politician pass this sniff test?

      Then there’s Obama, is there nothing we can pin on him? His whole administration reeks of “corruption”.

  16. DandyTIger says:

    Just because Dems can’t handle skepticism (because funnily enough, they’re anti-science):

  17. The Klown says:


  18. DandyTIger says:

  19. mothy67 says:

    To all west coast Jeopardy fans there is an entire o b a m a category today.

  20. helenk3 says:


    hypocrisy. thy name is backtrack

    backtrack calls for raise for 17 million women. but he pays his female staffers less then the male staffers

  21. mothy67 says:

    Cool true story last week I was in the grocery store and the woman in front of me had set her ground meat aside to see what her total was before getting it. She was short and I paid for it and asked her if she needed anything else. She graciously declined. As we were leaving her kid left the play Center in the store. Her kid is in my monster’s class. So today knock on the door — it’s her older sons shovels in hand ready to tackle my walk. I would have come out ahead but I offered them food when they were done. I set them loose in the kitchen but the place was cleaner after they left. I found it to be a much needed test a ment to humanity and I get older boys keeping an eye on my little one.

      • mothy67 says:

        I may sound sexist by this but I love the chance to nurture the relationship between our families as a means to protect my crud. Nothing says hands off like a big brother. Bonus is the fact that all 5 of her miscreants are decent kids.

    • DeniseVB says:

      What a sweet story. Thanks for sharing mothy !

    • piper says:

      Nice – caring goes a long way.

      • mothy67 says:

        That’s the thing it’s not caring because you are told to its the way you live. I grew up south of Pittsburgh in a tiny wood surrounded neighbourhood. We came in when the street lights came on or when a father stood on the porch and screamed all of our names. It was the seventies and while close to Pittsburgh still insular. We had an outhouse and no phone.A different kind of tough times then. We got no free lunches at school. At 14 I had a paper route, sold tickets at bingo and picked corn. Someone in the area died or lost someone and the stools were laden with food. Being gay many years later attending funerals I have found that the people I knew during my j u v e n e s c e n c e care more about who I am than who I sleep with.

  22. DandyTIger says:

    Related to the sports interview in previous post, but always works:

  23. DeniseVB says:

    Ugh, there’s a feeding frenzy over Bob McDonnell on Twitter. Poor Squirrel 😉 Yeah, 140k in gifts is bad stuff (he’s a former Va. AG, should know better, right?), but 180k/hr to fly Air force One to vacation destinations is a perk. Politics is so confusing.

    What’s funny, McDonnell took a pay cut as gov.

    • Mt.Laurel says:

      They have been on this all day and all I could think is no one bothers to check how much tax money was used for BO present to MO to stay in Hawaii.

      I also think if they had anything of substance, they would have used it earlier – so I assume this is just making sure no R governors get the bright idea to run in 2016 against Ms What Difference does it Make or Ms FauxIndianNation.

      Plus the “new” Governor in VA has more dirt following him about than Pig Pen – but crickets.

  24. mothy67 says:

    YA wanna know what losses me off? Too bed I’m going to vent anyhow. Gay people wanting to be parents. How do you claim your sexuality is nature and then want the fruits of the other side. Suppose I am referring to male homosexuality not female as I believe there are profound wonderful differences between the sexes. Wanting a kid just to have a kid to make your life complete is repugnant. Guess straight people do it all the time though.
    I can only speak from experience. I am terrified everyday raising a kid. What am I doing wrong? 7 years now and I can’t even remember what it was I gave up. NYC and London ain’t got nothing on the battles Over toothbrushes and being an absolute tyrant when it comes to veggies.
    Millions of t y k e s out there who could benefit from adoption, fostering, or mentoring why not check the ego and try that as I do believe that a gay person can be an effective parent just don’t agree with having a kid to complete the picture

    • Constance says:

      I think gay couples are taking a big risk by producing their own child. They say it is like adopting a kid if you use a sperm bank or surrogate. But it isn’t. Everyone knows all people alive have a male parent and a female parent, children know this. When you adopt a child you say something like “your birth parents gave you up for XYZ reason but I was so fortunate to adopt you”, so you are the “good guy”. With a sperm bank or surrogate mother you are saying I decided you didn’t need to know your other birth parent which does not make you look like a “good guy” but like a selfish guy and will not stop the child’s natural curiosity because they do have a second unknown genetic parent. I also think you risk the child having a perfect fantasy parent in their head…..”My perfect father would buy me an apple phone and take me on a ski vacation if Mother Dearest didn’t hide him from me”. But it’s not my problem and gay people are free to produce children however they can.

      • The Klown says:

        We are in the process of normalizing homosexuality. I think it is the right thing to do, but every silver lining has a cloud.

        With gay marriage inevitably comes gay divorce, along with issues like spousal support, community property and child custody/support.

        We’ll work it out, but right now we’re in unknown territory.

        • mothy67 says:

          My point is that if homosexuality is natural why champion a cause that refutes your argument. Men and women have kids. No executive order changes that. Why soooooooooooooo much about us gays. He does not rep.resent me

        • The Klown says:

          Careful! If you keep saying things like that they’ll call you a homophobe.

        • Constance says:

          Well normalizing is fine but saying gay relationship are exactly like hetero relationships is nonsense. I do realize hetero relationships break up and when they do the kids still know their genetic parents. Also sometimes children are deserted by one hetero parent and you tell them “your Dad ran off I will try to contact him so you can meet him” which makes you look like a reasonable and good parent. With a sperm bank or surrogate you are stuck with again “I decided you didn’t need to know your other genetic parent” which makes you look selfish and leaves the kid to daydream the perfect missing parent. Just because children are not articulate enough to say that doesn’t mean they aren’t feeling it on some primal level. Too much of these new family situations are developed from an adult perspective based on politically correct doctrine and ignore children’s needs and primal realities. But again, It’s not my problem, my kids can see both imperfect parents clearly and are left to deal with their reality and the knowledge that no one perfect is going to swoop in and save them.

        • indigogrrl1 says:

          Speaking for myself and my perfect, very wanted and completely planned for beautiful sperm donor child … FUCK OFF.

      • indigogrrl1 says:

        what an absolute crap load of ignorance.

  25. mothy67 says:

    Sorry for spewing. Doc gave me some pills to relax congestion. Chest still tight but not so much the mouth. Again sorry for endless O T. But what happened to WMCB. I love me a gun toting grandma Texas nurse with shall I say an opinion or two.

  26. Somebody says:

    I’m surprised nobody brought up Dinesh D’Souza’s “2016- Obama’s America”. His theory is that Obama is anti-colonialists, which fits with a lot of what VDH is saying.

    I don’t know if Obama is or isn’t, maybe it is just incompetence. I don’t know what it is, I just want it to go away!

  27. Somebody says:

    I stole this from someone at MOTUS, it’s a falling Obama and you can flip him all sorts of ways. I’m pretty sure I made his head go up his ass or you can just bang him against the big Obama symbol balls.


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