Periodically, their claws come out


By “periodically” I mean every 4-8 years:

Obama Aides Doubt Clinton Strategy

Top advisers and former aides to Barack Obama say Hillary Clinton is repeating the mistakes she made in 2008, building a machine in lieu of a message and lumbering toward the Democratic nomination with the same deep vulnerabilities that cost her the nomination eight years earlier.

The former secretary of state has offered her tacit blessing to a series of Democratic organizations, including a draft group, Ready for Hillary, which was recently taken over by a former Clinton aide, and Priorities USA Action, the Obama super PAC repositioning itself to raise huge sums for Clinton. The moves have been effective in telegraphing to other would-be candidates that they may have a hard time raising money and building an organization, and in establishing the sense of inevitability that was central to her 2008 campaign — a perception that also backfired badly.

“I just don’t see any strategic value in stories positioning her as inevitable or the preemptive nominee, and I don’t think people who are out there talking about this help her, and I think she should make that clear,” said Joel Benenson, Obama’s chief campaign pollster and now the top White House pollster. “She doesn’t need this. If she decides to run for president, everybody knows she’s going to be able to raise money, everybody knows she’s going to be extremely formidable, that she’s going to have a significant network of supporters around the country — so what’s the value of all this in 2014?”

In 2008, that sense of inevitability had tactical consequences: her positions drew more scrutiny than her rivals’, and observers developed a rooting interest in the underdog, while donors and operatives who hadn’t gotten in on the Clinton ground floor 20 years earlier went elsewhere. And Obama aides, who outmaneuvered the Clinton juggernaut seven years ago, see similar weaknesses developing already.

“The further out front the effort to elect Sec. Clinton is three years before election day, the greater the incentive is for the press, prospective opponents, and adversarial groups to scrutinize and attack her every move,” said Ben LaBolt, the national press secretary for the 2012 Obama campaign. “Even if it is a well-known candidate — sometimes more so — activists, donors, and voters like to see candidates fighting for every vote. If they start to feel like their power and influence is diminished it could have unforeseen consequences — we learned that lesson the hard way during the New Hampshire primary in 2008.

The willingness of Benenson and others to speak openly about their concerns reflects a growing consensus among Democrats that Clinton may be taking a wrong turn, something that has been much the conversation among the people — notably, advisers to Obama and to former Sen. John Edwards — who jointly beat her seven years ago in Iowa, beginning the end of her campaign. Officials were also willing to speak on the record about what they see as those mistakes, in part to send a message to the former secretary of state. “People are really getting worried about it,” said another former top Obama aide, who said she would like to see a woman elected but worried that Clinton “doesn’t have a compelling rationale for her candidacy.”

There is a bunch more and you can read it if you want to, but it’s a waste of time. It’s just concern trolling.

I don’t care if you support Hillary or not – that’s up to you. My opinion of her is greatly diminished from six years ago. That isn’t what this post is about.

This Buzzfeed article should serve as a reminder to Hillary and her supporters that she still has enemies in the Democratic party. I’m sure she know it, after what happened in 2008 she has no excuse if she get’s blind-sided and sandbagged again.

The article is like a flashback – all the old lies are being regurgitated. Hillary did not lose because she ran a bad campaign, she “lost” the nomination because she was betrayed by a cabal of party leaders who have secretly (and not-so secretly) despised the Clintons for twenty years.

Hillary would have had no problem dealing with her other opponents even if John Edwards had kept his pants zipped. She out-raised all of them (except Obama) in campaign donations and she led in all the polls.

Obama was a ringer and Hillary didn’t take him seriously until it was too late. The Obama campaign was far too organized, funded and politically connected for a freshman Senator who was new to Washington. He was out-raising all his opponents except Hillary when he was still just a blip in the polls. By the time the actually primary started he was out-raising and outspending Hillary by at least 2-1 and the media was declaring him unbeatable even before Super Duper Tuesday.

But you already knew all that.

We all know Hillary is running again. I’ll be shocked if she doesn’t win the nomination. But I have no doubt she has a lot of frenemies in the Democratic party waiting to pounce if she stumbles.

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71 Responses to Periodically, their claws come out

  1. helenk3 says:

    a lot of old time dems have not forgiven the clintons for the impeachment mess.
    also they are not from the upper east side liberal section of the party.
    their messes brought too much attention to the bad side of the party and took up too much energy in the room.

    I was a clinton supporter and heartbroken when she and bill took party over country and supported backtrack.
    the straw that broke the camel’s back for me was Benghazi. I will never forget or forgive the failure to act and the coverup.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I wanted her to stay in the Senate or run for Gov. of NY. I don’t know why she sold out to be SOS, everything she campaigned against Obama became true. And she wasn’t that great an SOS either. She sure left the world in a mess by covering Obama’s ass.

  2. lyn says:

    I never will trust the Democrats again. Let them scratch each other’s eyes out.

  3. fif says:

    “I just don’t see any strategic value in stories positioning her as inevitable or the preemptive nominee, and I don’t think people who are out there talking about this help her, and I think she should make that clear,” said Joel Benenson, Obama’s chief campaign pollster and now the top White House pollster.

    Lol. Obama’s chief campaign pollster is talking about effective strategies? Considering that Obama’s poll numbers are rivaling Bush’s when he left office, maybe he should focus on his own job.

  4. Lulu says:

    Anything Hillary does to Obamacrats is OK with me. I won’t support her in 2016 but I will not support any Democrat. The very idea that she is sucking up all of the Democratic bucks for 2016 in 2014 is hilarious. If a bunch of SOB’s who kissed Obama’s butt in 2008 loose for want of funds to defend themselves from their Obamacare treachery so much the better. I’d love to see her suck all of the oxygen out of the Democratic beauty contest leading up to 2016 (and all of the money) and then decide last minute not to run because of her health or she just doesn’t want to do it. How Clintonian. LOL.

  5. bluestate says:

    i actually thought this tweet was a sly dig at obama’s o’reilly interview:

    sounds like obama and his people are getting mad that she’s coming out of the gate so early because it undercuts whatever’s left of his failed presidency. poor babies.

    • Lulu says:

      Since Michelle is still going around demanding money for various campaigns that benefit she and Bronco, Hilliary is in direct competition. She is not only taking funds that MIGHT have gone to Dem Senate and House campaigns but the Obama’s Obama for Obama various slush funds too. And it just reminds them that Dem contributors are already looking to the day they are gone. Money follows interest both in terms of what benefits them and what they are thinking about and it is not the Obama’s.

  6. The Klown says:
  7. The Klown says:
    • Lulu says:

      And then they turn around and bitch and moan and are jealous of people who have more than a pot to piss in. Which is it? If you want to skate through life (which is fine and I know a lot people like this and generally like them and respect their life choice to be kind of impoverished bass fishermen, blueberry farmers or Etsy jewelry makers) you cannot turn around and resent people who don’t. And you sure as shit can’t bitch if people VOTE not to subsidize your skating.

    • votermom says:

      LOL I called him a trust fund baby and got a bunch of indignant tweets in response.

      • The Klown says:

        That was funny stuff.

      • DeniseVB says:

        That was great ! Rents in Ventura? That’s a pretty pricey beach town last I remember when I lived in the slums of Port Hueneme. 😀

        • The Klown says:

          He used to live within walking distance of the Miracle Mile on Wilshire Blvd. in LA – not Beverly Hills but you can see the Clampetts’ place from there. His mom’s business (Atkins Research Group) has one suite (as in “one whole floor”) of a very nice highrise on the MM. Spoony and his brother Dante run a spin-off in Ventura.

          They do market research for 1%er companies.

        • Jadzia says:

          Miracle Mile is crazy expensive. When I lived in LA, my son went to a religious school attended by lots of children from that area. One of the moms (who all of you have heard of) threw a birthday party for her daughter one year that involved red velvet ropes and fake paparazzi (a “nightclub” theme). The kid was 6 at the time. The open bar was nice, though.

      • Lulu says:

        If they don’t work enough to pay the premiums how in hell is someone supposed to be able to pay multiple family member $2000-$6000 annual deductibles, co-pays out the wazoo and cash for specialists that are excluded from networks if you get seriously sick. The reason people are not signing up for Obamacare is because it is hideously expensive shit insurance and people cannot afford it and still feed and house themselves and pay for garbage insurance. Working less will make it even more unaffordable and this is just spin for stupid journalists.

      • helenk3 says:

        i guess the dems want every one to be like backtrack never have a real job, live off others and tell the guy paying the freight he owes you

        • The Klown says:

          Some of those progs really do want jobs, but only in “creative class” positions. Those special snowflakes weren’t meant to lift and tote, they are management types.

        • 1539days says:

          The son of my company’s founder worked as a janitor there for some unspecified period of time before he led one of the divisions. The daughter who runs my division just showed up there.

  8. votermom says:

    On Hillary – if she wanted to be POTUS, she should have found a way to make Romney win.
    Benghazi could have then been lain at Obama’s stinky feet, and she could have run in 2016 against Pres. Romney as historic fist woman Prez. Or in 2020 vs Paul Ryan.

  9. helenk3 says:

    backtrack seems to have a real problem with military veterans.

    by the time 2016 rolls around will there be anyone except the loads that backtrack has not insulted?

    • 1539days says:

      I remember when Crazy Larry O’Donnell said that on MSNBC. I guess the White House is also getting their talking points from there instead of just giving them talking points.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Scott Taylor’s my delegate in Richmond. Scrappy kid, I see Gov in his future and he’s hawt 😀

    • wmcb says:

      The asshole progs see zero difference between people who are productive, who perform a service for society, and those who don’t. They want to blur that distinction on purpose. Everybody has a “right” to everything, all the same, regardless of actions or what they contribute.

      Note: That’s not to say let the non-productive starve. Of course not. But I’ll be damned if I’m going to buy the whole attitude that “what you earned” is the same thing as “what society charitably gives you.” It’s not.

      I’ve been on Foodstamps before. Not because I had some fucking RIGHT to them. But because my fellow countrymen were nice enough to help me out. It was CHARITY, and I viewed it as such, and was thankful.

      The GI Bill is not charity. It’s payback for potentially risking your life to protect me. It’s earned.

  10. threewickets says:

    Ben Fucking Smith. Remember when he and his commenters would rip Hillary to shreds with disgusting misogynist anatomical language on his Politico site. He’ll always be a dick.

  11. The Klown says:
    • The Klown says:

      Just when you think you have that parenting thing sussed, one or more of your kids will go sideways on you. Veteran parents have that 1000-yard stare. They’ve seen it all, nothing phases them anymore. They talk to themselves, wandering around the house looking for their lost youth and marbles.

      • Constance says:

        That’s sure true! I thought I was signing on for 18 years, little did I know there is always something with kids, apparently no matter how old they get. It helps if you have a partner parent who acts like an adult. And don’t ever give them the impression you have any money saved or you will turn into the bank of Mom.

    • helenk3 says:

      be prepared to be embarrassed. watch what you say it will be repeated at the wrong time. example

      my daughter wanted to know why her father did not like it when his hair got messed up. being the wonderful wife and mother that I am I told her your father wears a wig. she repeated it to the whole neighborhood.
      one My husband did not wear a wig
      two I think he wanted to kill me

      • Constance says:

        This is my family favorite. My brother in law is a barbecue eating, truck driving, football watching man. His fluffy, pink kindergarten daughter was supposed to draw her family for open house night. So she draws a man in a striped dress. Then when asked she tells everyone, “that’s Daddy in his dress, he only has one dress and he wears it every morning but he doesn’t wear it outside.” He was horrified and denying it but she just kept insisting as everyone was laughing their a$$ off at him. The next morning he comes down to the kitchen in his striped robe and she says “Oh Daddy I see you are wearing your dress again today!”

  12. insanelysane says:

    No matter how much money the Clinton team rakes in, ( includes Chelsea) they repay. Hillary will campaign for team DEMOCRAT.
    The Big Dawg can move Mountains of Baloney from the discourse.
    They are powerful and I believe that at a basic level they are honest politicians.
    Remember, the political game is a win/lose game. Kill or be killed.
    Hill and Bill play it well and I am on their side.

    • Constance says:

      I think our country means more to Hillary than liberal dogma does.

      But if she runs I think Jeb Bush will run too because then both major party candidates will belong to family dyansties which will set Kennedy supporters off and cause all kinds of trouble in the Dem party.

  13. The Klown says:

    I had an ex-girlfriend who was arguing with her ex on the phone when she yelled “Suck my dick!” and hung up on him.

    The only thing I did was ask “Is there something you haven’t told me?” It was touch-and-go for a moment but then she laughed.

  14. helenk3 says:

    check this one out.
    how many ways can they think of to fleece the taxpayer. the load is getting heavy

    • wmcb says:

      College costs would go down if a) we stopped govt-guaranteed loans (grants are fine) and b) we made the debt dischargable like any other debt in bankruptcy, and c) (this is a radical one) made the college jointly liable for the loans that get made in a normal marketplace.

      Tuition is high because college admins have ZERO incentive to watch costs. None. There is a ready flow of unending money from the student loan racket – loans any kid with any credit risk can get. They also have no incentive to educate kids in a productive field. Who cares if they leave college and can’t be employed? College gets their free money anyway, even if they turn out a thousand basket weaving graduates.

      If colleges had to cosign the loans, they’d make DAMN sure the kid could pay it back. Many curriculums would change to something useful overnight.

      The biggest problem, though, is that we have a society where we’ve told every kid that being one of the intelligentsia is the ticket to success. Nope. Not many can do that. Society simply doesn’t need that many, and not every kid is even mentally capable of it. And by telling kids that, we handily cover over the fact that we are making no provision whatsoever for those of middling intelligence (which is the fucking MAJORITY) to make an honest living. What is the low-to-middle of the Bell curve supposed to fucking DO?

      What do you do with the medium-to-stupid people? They used to be able to get a factory job, etc, have a decent life, some dignity. What now? Because ya know what, there are a fuckload of them. We are hurtling headlong toward a society where there is no place for them, other than on the public dole. While singing LALALALA and telling ourselves that they could all be brain surgeons and computer engineers if we just shove them all into a college classroom. Un, no, they can’t.

  15. The Klown says:
  16. The Klown says:

    Apparently Justified is pretty damn awesome tonight.

    I still haven’t seen it yet because it’s not on until 10 pm here.

    • leslie says:

      I was watching “The Bourne Identity” the other night and there was Boyd as part of the establishment. I like his hair better as Boyd.

  17. gxm17 says:

    Yep. Within the last week, one of the obots on my FB posted an anti-Hillary article by Truthout. And I wasn’t surprised to see that Mark Karlin who was the editor of Buzzflash is now an editor at Truthout. The article was all about what terrible things Hillary did as Obama’s SOS with, of course, no mention of Obama. The comments were spewing the same vile, 2008-regurgitated misogyny except for one who mentioned “Hey, aren’t you forgetting about the guy she worked for?”

    In 2008, Karlin’s Buzzflash was sucking Obama a$$ and calling Hillary nine yards of MFer. And, sure thing, in 2014, he’s still promoting sexism and misogyny. Some things never change. Progressives love to talk about the right’s war on women while they wage their own and hope nobody notices. It makes me sad that so many women are so easily duped.

    • insanelysane says:

      That was my biggest take away from 2008.
      The boy toy democrats seemed to use the same anti Hillary rhetoric that the Republicans did all thru the 90’s. I was shocked.
      Then I saw the Obama boys use the same tactics against Sarah P. , and other women opponents. I knew then we did have a
      War On Women and it was/is the Obama cadre of Democrats.

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