Beach Babe Barbie


Apparently the usual suspects are freaking out again:

Barbie strikes an ‘unapologetic’ pose

When Barbie burst onto scene in a black and white swimsuit in 1959, she was considered a rebel who embodied both “the sensuality of Marilyn Monroe and the innocence of Debbie Reynolds.”

Now, she’s returning to her “fashion model” roots, and not everyone’s pleased.

Barbie caused a stir this week when Mattel and Sports Illustrated revealed that she would appear in the 50th anniversary edition of its annual swimsuit edition in an updated version of her iconic zebra swimsuit. The partnership includes a promotional cover-wrap that will appear on 1,000 copies declaring Barbie “the doll that started it all,” a four-page advertising feature inside the magazine and video outtakes posted online. The doll is also for sale at Target.

The official Barbie Twitter account tweeted about the campaign Monday.


Barbie and the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition have both been accused of promoting idealized beauty in their own ways. For many, the campaign was problematic because they say the swimsuit edition objectifies women and promoting a homogenous view of beauty.

“It’s actually kind of perfect,” said Occidental College professor Lisa Wade, a feminist and media critic. “Barbie is the perfect model for the SI swimsuit issue. It’s always been about celebrating conventional definitions of attractiveness for women, and Barbie is an icon of idealized femininity.

“Both Barbie and the swimsuit issue have been making women and girls feel inadequate for decades. It’s a perfect partnership.”

Others took issue with blurring the line between women as objects and actual plastic objects.

“Yes, the swimsuit edition is made up entirely of hypersexualized images of women, but this pairing blurs a new line. Barbie is not a woman, she’s an inanimate object. Juxtaposing her alongside real women as though the two are indistinguishable is dehumanizing, and in a literal sense, objectifying,” said Nicole Rodgers, editor-in-chief of, an online magazine that focuses on culture and gender roles.

It also comes at a time when many are demanding representations of women without airbrushing or photoshop, she said.

“Featuring a plastic doll as an object of admiration and desire feels like a slap in the face,” Rodgers said.

Throughout the controversy, Mattel has remained “unapologetic,” citing Barbie’s 150 careers, her turns in 26 animated movies and partnerships with renowned fashion designers as evidence that you can be “capable and captivating.”

But nobody is thinking about Barbie’s career trajectory or its positive examples when she’s wearing a one-piece in Sports Illustrated’s swimsuit edition, said California State University-Long Beach professor Shira Tarrant, author of “Men Speak Out: Views on Gender, Sex, and Power.”

“I would never want to deny anyone love for Barbie,” she said, “but my concern is when we use her to present this hyper-sexualized model of beauty.”

After all, CEO Barbie and Dr. Barbie weren’t the dolls appearing in SI.

“When you look at how the lives of women have changed since the doll originally launched, the choice strikes me as particularly tone deaf in 2014,” said Rodgers, of The fact that “the version they want to focus their marketing blitz on is a sexy bikini Barbie tells us something.”

Every year about this time the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition comes out. I always thought it was overrated, but it is always their biggest seller of the year. And like clockwork, every year about this time the professional feminists get their panties in a twist and throw a hissy fit. I always thought it was an overreaction, but it is usually one of their biggest hissy fits of the year.


Well this year it looks like Mattel is getting in on the action. It’s hard to believe that Barbie is almost 60 years old. She is the most iconic toy ever made. Generations of little girls have grown up playing with her. That’s ironic, because she almost didn’t happen.

Ruth Handler watched her daughter Barbara play with paper dolls, and noticed that she often enjoyed giving them adult roles. At the time, most children’s toy dolls were representations of infants. Realizing that there could be a gap in the market, Handler suggested the idea of an adult-bodied doll to her husband Elliot, a co-founder of the Mattel toy company. He was unenthusiastic about the idea, as were Mattel’s directors.

During a trip to Europe in 1956 with her children Barbara and Kenneth, Ruth Handler came across a German toy doll called Bild Lilli. The adult-figured doll was exactly what Handler had in mind, so she purchased three of them. She gave one to her daughter and took the others back to Mattel. The Lilli doll was based on a popular character appearing in a comic strip drawn by Reinhard Beuthin for the newspaper Die Bild-Zeitung. Lilli was a blonde bombshell, a working girl who knew what she wanted and was not above using men to get it. The Lilli doll was first sold in Germany in 1955, and although it was initially sold to adults, it became popular with children who enjoyed dressing her up in outfits that were available separately.

Upon her return to the United States, Handler reworked the design of the doll (with help from engineer Jack Ryan) and the doll was given a new name, Barbie, after Handler’s daughter Barbara. The doll made its debut at the American International Toy Fair in New York on March 9, 1959. This date is also used as Barbie’s official birthday.

Mattel acquired the rights to the Bild Lilli doll in 1964 and production of Lilli was stopped. The first Barbie doll wore a black and white zebra striped swimsuit and signature topknot ponytail, and was available as either a blonde or brunette. The doll was marketed as a “Teen-age Fashion Model,” with her clothes created by Mattel fashion designer Charlotte Johnson. The first Barbie dolls were manufactured in Japan, with their clothes hand-stitched by Japanese homeworkers. Around 350,000 Barbie dolls were sold during the first year of production.

Ruth Handler believed that it was important for Barbie to have an adult appearance, and early market research showed that some parents were unhappy about the doll’s chest, which had distinct breasts. […]

Barbie was one of the first toys to have a marketing strategy based extensively on television advertising, which has been copied widely by other toys. It is estimated that over a billion Barbie dolls have been sold worldwide in over 150 countries, with Mattel claiming that three Barbie dolls are sold every second.

If their is anything that the hairy-legged man-hater feminist crowd hates almost as much as Y chromosomes it’s that bitch Barbie. She’s an oppressive tool of The Patriarchy. HER PROPORTIONS AREN’T REAL!!!

The reason that Barbie has been so successful isn’t because men belong to a secret conspiracy to oppress women. It’s not because the Mattel corporation wants young women to have self-esteem and body issues.

Barbie can afford that Malibu Beach House and all that cool stuff because for nearly 60 years millions of little girls every year told their parents “I WANT BARBIE!

I was born male and I have been male all my life. I know what it’s like to be a boy and I know what it is like to be a man. I’m kinda sketchy on females. I still haven’t figured women out, but I learned a lot about girls when my daughter was born.

She has two older brothers who were 5 and 7 when she came along. I always had a fairly easy time buying gifts for them because they liked (and disliked) the same kind of stuff I liked when I was their age.

My daughter was different. I know that some people think we teach gender roles to our kids, but my daughter arrived hard-wired to like different things than her brothers. She liked clothes, and dressing up. She liked stuffed animals. The liked Grease and The Wizard of Oz. She liked Barbie. And she was pretty damn assertive about what she liked and disliked.

It appears that through sheer dumb luck, Mattel came up with a toy that triggers some primal reaction in little girls.

Which brings me to my final point. I have a college friend who has five daughters. I feel sorry for her husband because their place can be a real estrogen fest, especially when his sister and niece are there (which they usually are.)

When the girls were younger they owned the world’s largest naked Barbie collection. They had a big box in the garage filled with naked Barbie dolls. Some were missing their heads too, but every one of them was missing her clothes.

My daughter used to do the same thing with her Barbies. She would play with them for a while but eventually they all ended up naked on the floor. So I asked my friend (who had some kind of degree in headshrinking) why girls do that.

She told me “That’s how girls practice humiliating their rivals.”


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148 Responses to Beach Babe Barbie

  1. The Klown says:

    None of the companion dolls for Barbie (including no-genitalia Ken) has ever come near the success of the original Barbie. Neither have the various alternate race/ethnicity/hair color versions.

    • Constance says:

      I’m an old Barbie player from way back. I thought Midge and Skipper and Skooter were great dolls too. Ken…not so much. My Barbie was more in to G I Joe who was owned by the way hot DJ Cox up the street. Those were the days!

      • votermom says:

        The Ken fashion scene in Toy Story 3 is one of my favorite movie scenes. LOL.

      • Mt.Laurel says:

        Barbie, Midge and two Skippers and Kelly. Did not need Ken. Having older brothers meant I had a wide array of alternatives. The GI Joe twins from the two of the brothers. From the oldest brother I inherited a Dick Tracy car (convertible) and a whole play set of Roy Rogers including Roy, Trigger, and the chuck wagon and stage coach and assorted cowboys, steer and horses. Barbie ran the ranch with Midge while GI Joe team went on secret missions.

        By the way, I never left any of my dolls in their birthday suits. I must have missed the memo that this was expected. I even had outfits on my troll dolls. My brothers did cause several dolls to loose legs and arms when the had there war games. No heads went missing. My parents drew the line at brothers using guillotines when reenacting the French Revolution.

    • Jadzia says:

      I have to admit that I miss cock-ring Ken from the early ’90s.

      Oops, is that going to get me sent to the dungeon?

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  3. elliesmom says:

    I got my first Barbie doll in 1960, and yes, I still have her. Little girls like to play with grown-up dolls for the same reasons little boys like their dolls to be grown-up. We call little boys’ dolls “action figures”. While girls like to dress up their dolls, they are also a big source of imaginative play. Dolls like the American Girls are popular, but in play the dolls are limited to what a child can do. Both boys and girls like to imagine their dolls having exciting adventures. For boys that might be taking on the latest super villain, and for girls it might taking to the fashion runway, but the idea of imagining what your role might be in the adult world is the same. Barbie is built the way she is because she was designed by an engineer. We can miniaturize a lot of stuff, but not the thickness of the fabric we use to dress a doll. If she had normal size measurements naked, when we dressed her in real people fabric, she’d look fat and dumpy. My mom sewed, and she got that, and she told me if I was built like Barbie, with a little bit of help, I’d be able to sit up. Playing with Barbie had absolutely no effect on my own conceptions of what the ideal female form should look like. Women who are threatened by a plastic doll need therapy.

    • Anthony says:

      Both boys and girls like to imagine their dolls having exciting adventures.

      When I was a boy, somehow I got a GI Joe action figure. I had no idea why my folks thought I needed one, but wanting to “fit in”, I thought I’d take a stab at playing with him.

      I took a box of pale yellow Kleenex and fashioned a strapless pouffy Vera Wang-ish ball gown on him, fastening it with minute strands of scotch tape that I cut with an Xacto blade. My explanation to my horrified parents was that “Joe was invited to prom”. I thought that was a pretty exciting adventure for the otherwise dreary and drab Joe.

      IMO, dolls have absolutely no influence over a child’s self image. Action figures do NOT transform gay little boys into big butch jocks, and Barbie most likely has ZERO input in developing esteem or body image issues with little girls.

    • 49erDweet says:

      Yep. My 4yo BotW imagines her various hybridized humanistic dolls from My Little Pony are real people leading real lives with real emotions and has them “liking” and “unliking” each other in evolving situations several times a day. She has them carry their imaginary arguments over from day to day, and sometimes will leave those who “misbehaved” yesterday at home when she comes over next morning for daycare. But at any moment reality intercedes, she drops them on the floor and ignores ’em for hours. Hoping she’ll not see the new Barbie but probably faint chance of that.

    • wmcb says:

      You can see how playing with barbies turned ME into a shy retiring woman with zero self-confidence, can’t you?

    • Constance says:

      And it’s not as if any of the male dolls have normal body proportions so if abnormal plastic dolls are giving women issues they should be giving men issues too.

  4. Lulu says:

    I got a Barbie doll December 25, 1959. I had been playing with my mother’s “fashion doll” which was a little bigger with ugly 1930’s hair for a year or so. The fashion doll came from Germany in the 1930’s when my grandfather went there on business and came back with a bunch of beautiful toys for his children. It is a very neat doll but the German woman is rather ugly. I immediately preferred Barbie because she had a ponytail like I did. My grandmother made Barbie clothes which were very classy. Except once when she messed up a dress and I asked why it didn’t fit. She told me Barbie was pregnant. LOL. My brother loved to pull Barbie’s head off and throw it behind the sofa. My daughter had no interest in Barbie and preferred American Girl dolls.

    • The Klown says:

      My brother loved to pull Barbie’s head off and throw it behind the sofa.

      My #2 Son tortured, burned and mutilated a few Barbies over the years. I used to worry about him, but he seems normal now.

      • Lulu says:

        Since my brother has three ex-wives I am not so sure about him. He threw my yo-yo once in the kitchen and it landed in a pot of chili. It splattered my mother. She chased him and caught him. He was very fast but so was she. I think that was the time he was tied to a chair.

    • elliesmom says:

      My daughter told me she was pregnant for the first time by giving me a pregnant Barbie doll with a note asking me if it was going to be as easy to get my grandchild out of her body as it was for Barbie. Barbie’s just sorts of pops out of a plastic thing on her stomach, and she instantly has her old body back. I told her “sure”.

      • Jadzia says:

        I remember that doll! What a vicious lie THAT was. I totally want to sue Mattel, except that I would probably have to show my stretch-marked stomach during the trial, and there is no amount of money that is worth that kind of humiliation.

  5. The Klown says:

    Spoony blocked me on Twitter because he loves a good debate on the issues.

    • 49erDweet says:

      Something is off with Atkins. Elite are taught to ignore the great unwashed, but his fragile brain seems incapable of disregarding your challenges. Either he’s entertaining self-doubt or intellectually fragile. Two bucks it’s the latter.

  6. The Klown says:
    • cynic says:

      The previous owner’s of my house had a riding stable on the property. One of their horses had twins, and one required round-the-clock care, and lived in the dining room.

  7. wmcb says:

    Girls like to play with girlie dolls. They often tend to care a good deal about their appearance. Boys like to play with trucks. They tend to not care as much about their appearance. No, this is not 100% true of every single girl/boy in existence, or who ever lived. Variations, ranges, and even pure exceptions exist, and always have. But I’m getting tired of being told that simply noticing realities about men/women in general is a joining in plot to oppress somebody.

    Nobody made little girls love Barbie in order to ensnare their little minds. Little girls got a look at Barbie and threw a fit at parents nationwide and said “I waaaaaant one!!!!!” Barbie was so successful because lots and lots and lots of girls did that.

    Telling girls “You don’t really like/want that thing you like/want, or at least shouldn’t” is insulting and controlling. The feminists need to stop doing it. They keeping seeking some theoretical parity that seems, to me, to be more important to them than women themselves are. I think if a woman can be a physicist, and wants to be, then go for it. I also think that if 70% of the female population decided they’d rather raise babies, do homely pursuits, or have less demanding jobs or even none in order to do that, then that’s hunky dorry too. And there would be absolutely nothing “wrong” with a society in which they did.

    How about we stop telling both women and men what they want, or that what they want is bad?

    • Anthony says:


      • wmcb says:

        Anthony, my husband and I were having a long discussion about this last night. We were talking about men and risk-taking, because men mostly evolved to be expendable (women are more biologically valuable.)

        Because men evolved to to the risk-takers, you are always, unless you interfere, going to end up with “masculine” men in more positions of power/leadership. Know why? Because positions of power/leadership tend to inherently be the risk-taking ones. And men tend to like and enjoy risk-taking to a degree that women don’t. This is also why most compulsive gamblers are men, and why you rarely have a group of women drinking a lot of beer and saying, “Hey….watch this!” before they do something incredibly dumb. Everything has its upside and downside. So long as you are not FORBIDDING women (or gays or whoever) from taking this or that role if they happen to be the outlier who wants to, then just leave people the fuck alone.

        If you simply left society alone, to be whatever it was going to organically be, people would sort themselves out. You’d have a lot of men in leadership, some women in power, a few men being house husbands. You’d still have mostly heteros, with a few gay people, and few bisexuals, this and that. No, there would not be (organically arising) absolutely equal representation in every field of endeavor. So what? Leave people the hell alone.

        • The Klown says:

          Nobody thinks it is strange or unnatural for the male and female members of every species in the Animal Kingdom to behave in distinctly different ways.

          Except for one species.

        • Anthony says:

          Its been my experience that men and women (whether gay or straight) are pretty much hardwired to be the same as ALL men and women. Men behave like men, and women behave like women, regardless of orientation.

          A lot of my straight friends say “I had no idea you were gay” because I behave like most males do. I don’t mind risks, I don’t mind ‘drinking lots of beer and saying Hey – watch this!‘ as I jump off the hotel balcony into the pool, etc. In short, I just leave myself the hell alone, and all goes well.

          Strangely, my gay friends are prone to take umbrage when I tell them that I’d rather be working on my motorcycle than going shopping for clothing, often accusing me of being a secret butch lesbian. On the rare occasion, I’ve gone to Barney’s with them and saw the desperate look on their faces while they were being “professional gays”. It just seems like a lot of work to me (probably as much work as women find putting on panty hose, makeup, etc) and I’m always looking at the exit longingly.

          Id rather that society just left ME the hell alone, and I don’t think I’m alone with that thought.

          • wmcb says:

            You’re quite masculine, I’ve always thought. Why anyone would take issue with this is beyond me. Leave people alone. Quit tinkering with and “improving” us. It’s fecking exhausting.

          • The Klown says:

            If your son wants to play with dolls, let him. If your daughter is into toy trucks, buy her a fleet of them.

            It’s not rocket science.

          • Anthony says:

            Why anyone would take issue with this is beyond me.

            Because their “label” validates their existence. Assclowns.

    • 49erDweet says:

      If we did that there’d be no need for government, so that’s out.

  8. helenk3 says:

    maybe we should worry more about what is being taught in schools now then about a TOY that little girls love

  9. helenk3 says:

    sorry this is off topic but I had to post it

    the difference between class and no class

  10. mothy67 says:

    Wonder if these women getting upset have ever wAtched the Barbie movies. Theme is always friendship. They are not catty characters or dumbed down. Dogs also seem to reAlly enjoy chewing them to pieces. I’m forever finding a hand or a leg. Little one thinks it’s morbidly hilarious.
    Remember the Roseanne episode when Darlene and Becky find the dismembered doll parts under DJ s bed.Funny stuff.

  11. votermom says:

  12. mothy67 says:

    I know a few of those women. Go on and on about oppression yet oddly think there is something empowering about Madonna. Never ever let one crash on your sofa. Patchouli will never be gone. God I abhor that smell.

  13. mothy67 says:

    Seriously what is with that funky s h I t? Wouldn’t’ it be easier to just where a f u c k I n g sign that says I refuse to shower because the bad white man wants me to. NO instead splash that garbage on and get on the subway at rush hour. Firmly believe that most people who throw themselves on the tracks did so because they thought A stinky hippy was going to sit next to them. Third rail or patchouli I would take the rail

  14. helenk3 says:

    I had paper dolls when I was a kid. all kinds of clothes to cut out and dress the paper doll. Loved them. when my daughters were young they had Barbie a new version of paper dolls. My son had GI Joe and all the stuff that went with him. My granddaughters had both dolls and trucks to play with,
    When I was a kid we played cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, war, us against the japs and the germans and after the war the commies. we even had toy guns, We also played house with a mom and a dad and doll babies. We played store. No one ever heard of politically correct seems to me we did not grow up as confused and feeling that we were entitled as kids today.

    • wmcb says:

      IMO, it’s fairly simple if people just take the sticks out of their asses over the whole thing:

      Very rigidly enforcing gender roles is stupid. There needs to be flex allowed. But the asinine campaign to virtually eliminate gender roles is just as stupid.

      Don’t yell at your little girl if she wants to play with a truck. Don’t freak the hell out if it turns out most little girls prefer dolls. THIS IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT, PEOPLE.

      • mothy67 says:

        To be honest I have never been able to grasp transgender people. I strive to be sincere. I just don’t get it. Why can’t you just be what you are. Feminine guy masculine woman whatever. Panty hose are not embedded in the human genome. All kinds of stuff defines creates us and I know that medical science is constantly discovering more penumbras . Instinctively I feel compelled to fix things. Driven to make people hear themselves. Merchant was my nickname in college because my friends thought I acted like Natalie Merchant. Is it feminine to feel like that. Traditional scripts say yes but I also love a knock down good hockey fight.

        • Constance says:

          There is a lot I don’t understand about transgendered people too. Just last week a young man with an absolutely gorgeous male body came into my women only gym dressed as a woman, said he was preparing for the big change and was taking hormones. So in a woman’s gym they don’t have any really heavy weights and the weight machines are smaller and made for a female center of gravity and of course women have shorter arms. Of course nothing fit him but what did he expect? His basic body frame that developed under the influence of male hormones isn’t going to shrink. Poor guy. I think it is to the point where women need to assertively define ourselves as people who do not have a Y chromosome PERIOD. Rather than go with the typical society definition which is “anything that isn’t male enough is female”. We need our female spaces preserved for females only. “None of the above but still God’s children” facilities may be called for.

          • The Klown says:

            From what I have read of history and anthropology, for most of human existence there have been “male” and “female” spheres or spaces, as well as a much larger communal area. These were not absolute nor exclusive.

            It is only recently that occasional gender self-segregation was seen as a bad thing.

          • mothy67 says:

            Don’t want to be someone who limits another but I don’t get it. Willing to be corrected but unless I speak can’t do that.

          • DandyTIger says:

            I have some “non binary” friends. I try, but I don’t get it either. The lady beards are where they lose me. I might be a prude though.

          • wmcb says:

            The transgender in public spaces stuff reminds me of some of the more asinine disability stuff. Look, society can be kind and accommodating, that’s fine. But norms are norms, and majority society is perfectly justified, IMO, in putting reasonable limits on how far the majority has to be inconvenienced.

            No, you should not be allowed to wave your dick in a women’s gym shower, just because you feel like a woman internally. You, being the tiny minority, may have to (gasp! heresy!) pick your physical manifestation as rule-of-thumb for what facilities to use. Oh, the humanity.

            Because no, what I said above is not tantamount to saying burn all trans people at the stake. Grow the fuck up.

          • wmcb says:

            Somebody please close my bold tag on “physical”. I can no longer edit since the new setup, for some reason.

          • wmcb says:

            I’ve had to pee in a men’s bathroom before. I was discreet. No, it wasn’t a glorious uplifting experience. Yes, if I had to do that all the time, it would be somewhat of an inconvenience. No, it wouldn’t crush my soul and plunge me into despairs of self-loathing.

            Grow. The. Fuck. Up.

          • mothy67 says:

            Sometimes I am just at a loss. I learn more by arguing than from anything else . Love taking the position opposite to my true feelings. I find it exhilarating to challenge my own concepts. Seems more and more people are just silent. Can’t express much without offending someone. Talk to me have a look in these eyes while I’m learning.(10 thousand maniacs) I always found the Matthew Shepherd story a little bit suspect. Several friends worked on a play years ago called The Laramie Project. Ran off Broadway for awhile and I believe it was made into an H b o film. When I’d talk to them they were always on a soap box. Surveys biographies documentaries are all sated with bias. I kept asking what it was they did not include. Being good little progressives they responded with name calling and silence. Then patted each other on the back for being smarter than me. All I wAnted was a discussion.NOthing is black and white.

        • trixta says:

          I hear Facebook is/will be the place to find out what gender you are. Apparently, there are/will be something like 56 different categories of genders to choose from.

  15. mothy67 says:

    Arguments/discussions of femininity make me crave Flannery O’Connor. Agonizing with extreme personal discomfort she was able to birth “Good Country People” . I can see some of the validity to the dislike of Barbie. Reading Jane Eyre right now with my monster. If not familiar it was Brontes response to the depiction of woman in fairy tails. It is her take on Cinderella. Want Shayla to appreciate the difference between blind anger and righteous indignation. Know far too many people projecting their own legitimate hurt upon the greater world. Seems to me they end up just perpetuating their victimized. Life is far to brief..

  16. Anthony says:

    Wow – my last 2 comments just disappeared. I didn’t even say F*CK this time. WTF?

  17. DeniseVB says:

    This video is undated, but assuming it was during the 2008 Dem primary. Obama is just vile, or stupid, or both ?

    • threewickets says:

      Election rigging goon.

    • mothy67 says:

      S h h h h h? She’s going to hear you. Remember in 08 she went after people on air . Said it was all being kept track of. I even got a very pleasant f u c k you email from her. Wish I had saved it as she basically said sit down and shut up. Never carried very much to being silenced. Got in trouble though for an argument because I called her a gash. Not mutineers moment and I agree it is offensive but it was the ugliest thing I could come up with in the heat of the moment. And come on be real it’s a stupid four letter word. Four weird little signs strung together that caused me to be branded. Thank Hey Zoos Rachel Maddow did not get wind of it. Again I see how it was a poor choice of words on my part and to all those whose lives I apparently ruined well my bad.

  18. lyn says:

    I’m happy that Davis and White won the gold in ice dancing.

  19. helenk3 says:

    just had a big laugh
    the backtrack bunch were going to put out e-cards for Valentine’s day pushing obamacare. the website went down and will not be up until at least tomorrow.
    ever get the feeling they would screw up a one car funeral?

  20. The Klown says:

    I’m calling bullshit on this:

    I’d like to see a 360 panorama of that area and interview some witnesses.

    Either he got accidentally left behind or he’s really not that far out in the boonies.

  21. The Klown says:
  22. wmcb says:

    When it comes to common sense vs. perfect pristine egalitarianism, I often think of Jesus rolling his eyes at the Pharisees: “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.” You’re taking something where was the intent was to ease human relations, and turning it into an impossible set of rules to beat people with.

    • mothy67 says:

      This won’t nest under the comment you made keeps giving me an error message
      But wanted to relate how many times I have been at a urinAl during a Broadway show when someone woman would ask for toilet paper. Lines are way to long for the ladies room. Guess you do what you have to. Several times I chatted with Liz Smith while emptying my bladder.

      • wmcb says:

        Yes, the times I’ve invaded the men’s room has mostly been at big football games. Everybody has to pee at halftime, so what are you going to do? You adapt.

        • Anthony says:

          When I visited Brasil in the 80’s, they were marketing a product that would allow women to pee in the streets like a man. It was a flattened paper cone with the tip cut off and an angled top. All you had to do was put the large end up to your body and you had an instant disposable paper penis.

          First time I saw a woman walk between 2 parked cars and hike up her skirt pee (like lots of the men in the town), I laughed like hell because it seemed like such a good idea. She said it was a real timesaver

  23. votermom says:

    Great post by Ace co-blogger DrewM

    A Plea To The GOP: Enough Already! Stop Talking About “Tactics”. The Country Needs More From You.

    The complaint against Ted Cruz’s forcing 60 votes on the debt ceiling is that he didn’t have “a plan” to win. That shows just how out of touch Republicans are with anything beyond “tactics”. Cruz never intended to “win” a concession for a debt hike, he wanted to demonstrate that some people have an alternative view of how the parties approach governing. Yes, he wants to set himself up as the leader of that wing, but at least he offers an alternative.

    If you want to be a majority you need to offer an alternative and fight for it. Voters need to be inspired. They need to believe that you have principles that when turned into policy will make their lives better. They need to know that you really believe in these principles and will stand up for them. In short, people want to see bold leadership. They want to be motivated and to think that you offer a legitimate alternative to the awful status quo.

    In short, winning requires everything the modern GOP is against…an alternative vision, expressed in a confident and inspiring manner.

  24. The Klown says:
  25. mothy67 says:

    I do not believe most people are selfish racist sexist homophobic Neanderthals. In passing I commented on one of the local girls who at 7 runs the streets and it will just get worse when schools out. Debated paying for her to play softball but have to have some boundaries. Unless I’m willing to go all the way it is not fair to go a little. Well there is now a fund for the pool and softball/baseball. Paid for by local small businesses. Ask thAt if you can pay you do but every kid gets the access bats gloves sunscreen are all to be left and taken as needed. Completely anonymous so no one gets the glory and no kid has to feel ashamed. Monies have to be paid to the town athletic association but government has no part of the funding or expenditures. We’ll probably end up being sued for something

    • wmcb says:

      The govt will likely decide you are not allowed to help kids without the proper forms, permissions, official department, and overseen (by them) structure.

      Because Compassion. Shut up.

  26. insanelysane says:

    Or taxed out of existence or shut down for lack of permits and liability insurance.

    • insanelysane says:

      meant as reply to mothy67’s softball set up.

      • mothy67 says:

        Not mine. I simply uttered the obvious and every one got on board. We were all thinking what is gonna happen to this child. 7 roaming the streets. People writing her off with statements like she’ll be pregnant at 15. May not be the sharpest tool in the wood she’d but I know when I looked at her I was making all kinds of assumptions about her that really were about me. Her truth(or what I saw it to be) scares me. Something Kafkaesque about the plight of a child in a community. Like everyone was holding their breath until someone else spoke. But everyone is afraid so no one says d I c k.once it’s out there it can’t be unheard. Had not thought of it but I call her K short for Kayla who is in second grade with my BRat Shauna. K is the protagonist in The Castle. Ah the rings that make you go h m m m m?

  27. wmcb says:

    The Klown says:
    February 17, 2014 at 12:24 pm
    If your son wants to play with dolls, let him. If your daughter is into toy trucks, buy her a fleet of them.

    It’s not rocket science.

    But…. but…… but……..if it’s not rocket science, and it’s stuff society can figure out on its own, what need have we then for our Keepers????

  28. votermom says:


    • mothy67 says:

      My money is on SHE got somebody mad at town hall. A copy of Raise High the Roofbeam got me a bench warrant and thousands of dollars in court costs. I thought it was absurd but I ignored the notices and got arrested. Goes over real well in the holding tank when they ask you what you are in for. Was it JOe Orton who did hard time in England for defacing library books?

  29. wmcb says:

  30. mothy67 says:

    I think the elderly lady with the vet saggy booties is beautiful but Don’t they sell some sort of support mechanism to handle those puppies. My back hurts looking at her

  31. DeniseVB says:

    Sigh. Just when I think my old lefty buddies are opening their minds, I get this POS email *ALERT* from Daily Kos reminding me Romney is a blankity-blank, or something…..

  32. piper says:

    Because they would have to admit that they made a colossal mistake in helping to elect and vote for the ‘won’.

  33. wmcb says:

    A dose of cold, hard, reality. If you posit that women want families/marriage (and most do, eventually), then the sexual revolution has put us at a distinct disadvantage. It’s working out very well for the men, though.

    • wmcb says:

      This is why, BTW, most slut-shaming of the past was almost always women themselves, not men. The idea that most slut-shaming came from men, or was a wholly male invention, is bullshit.

      It was not to the advantage of women as a whole for some women to be sluts. I’m not commenting on the rightness or wrongness here: just observing that in the context it was utterly rational.

      • wmcb says:

        The question women have to ask themselves is this: Do we want families and marriage and fathers who stick around and long term commitments? If women as a whole no longer want that, then carry on. Have fun. If women DO want all of the above, then we are going to have to accept the fact that traditional morality was, for the most part, to our advantage. Sorry, but it was.

        • 49erDweet says:

          In the short term it’s too late. The genie is out of the bottle and these days too few young men believe marriage adds enough value to their lives to be bothered with it. “Why buy the cow, et al,……” resonates with way too many. They are wrong, of course, but like Obama voters, are unlikely to change their minds until it’s too late for them …… and the women they know.

        • Constance says:

          Well with a very cheap lab test you can now figure out exactly who the father of a child is and extort child support from him so it can’t be as necessary for women to marry as it once was. I think Dads are great and I feel sorry for kids who don’t know their father. Having societies institutions break down is sad from my perspective.

    • DandyTIger says:

      The sexual revolution explained in terms of economics. Women had the power in some ways. There was a disruption. Now men have the power in some ways. Many parts of what happened appeared to be freeing women from being slaves to their reproductive cycle. There are always unintended consequences.

      • wmcb says:

        Yep. And no, I’m not saying let’s start stoning women in the streets for immorality or making laws about it. Just pointing out, like you said, that there are unintended consequences. You can’t remake how society functions without very very wide effects.

        Problem is, the feminist movement has painted themselves into such a “Free Love is all fulfilling and liberating and empowering!” corner, that they can’t back off of that now. Not even as it becomes obvious that women themselves are being hurt, and that it may be one of the least “empowering” behaviors of all, for women as a group.

  34. The Klown says:
  35. wmcb says:

  36. The Klown says:

    Yeah, that’s why nobody ever heard of them until now.

  37. The Klown says:
    • The Klown says:

      Last I heard of KW she was accusing the Clinton mob of murdering her husband.

    • wmcb says:

      Oh good grief. If they want to beat Hillary, tie her to Obama and the slimy progs (it’s easily done), not the 90’s.

      • DandyTIger says:

        Yep. And funnily enough, if they keep talking about the 90’s, people might start remembering how much better the 90’s were than either the Bush years or the Obama years.

        • wmcb says:

          The two things from the 90’s that suck, and that have had really bad long term effects for the average person are the two things they will never, ever mention:

          1) Repeal of Glass-Steagall
          2) NAFTA

          • DandyTIger says:

            And they won’t mention them because the establishment of both parties like them. Our two main parties are rotten to the core, and I don’t see that changing.

  38. westcoaster says:

    OT: A Canadian speedskater took a selfie with Putin and tweeted that she should have asked him to be her valentine. It was a joke but some people got upset so she removed the tweet.

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