Snooty Elitist Fail


Mike Barone:

The Failure of Obama’s Aristocracy of Merit

The roots of American liberalism are not compassion, but snobbery. That’s the thesis of Fred Siegel’s revealing new book, “The Revolt Against the Masses: How Liberalism Has Undermined the Middle Class.”


He depicts the Progressives as Protestant reformers, determined to professionalize institutions and tame the immigrant and industrial masses. Progressive projects included women’s suffrage and prohibition of alcohol.

But the many pro-German Progressives were appalled when Woodrow Wilson led America into World War I and by Wilson’s brutal suppression of civil liberties.

Progressivism was repudiated in the landslide election of Warren Harding in 1920, at which point disenchanted liberal thinkers turned their ire against middle-class Americans who, in the “roaring ’20s,” were happily buying automobiles, refrigerators, radios and tickets to the movies.

The novels of Sinclair Lewis, the journalism of H.L. Mencken and the literary criticism of Van Wyck Brooks heaped scorn on the vast and supposedly mindless Americans who worked hard at their jobs and joined civic groups — Mencken’s “booboisie.”

These 1920s liberals idealized the “noble aspiration” and “fine aristocratic pride” in an imaginary Europe, and considered Americans, in the words of a Lewis character, “a savorless people, gulping tasteless food,” and “listening to mechanical music, saying mechanical things about the excellence of Ford automobiles and viewing themselves as the greatest race in the world.”

This contempt for ordinary Americans mostly persisted in changing political environments. During the Great Depression, many liberals became Communists, proclaiming themselves tribunes of a virtuous oppressed proletariat that would have an enlightened rule.

For a moment, idealization of the working man, but not the middle-class striver, came into vogue. But in the postwar years, what Siegel calls “the political and cultural snobbery” of liberals returned.


Liberals since the 1920s have claimed to be guided by the laws of science. But often it was crackpot science, like the eugenics movement that sought forced sterilizations.

Other social science theories proved unreliable in practice. Keynesian economics crashed and burned in the stagflation of the 1980s.

Predictions that the world would run out of food and resources turned out to be wrong. In the 1970s, people were told global cooling was inevitable. Now it’s global warming.

As Daniel Patrick Moynihan, an artist among social scientists, pointed out, social scientists didn’t really know how to eliminate poverty or crime. Policies based on middle-class instincts often worked better than those of elite liberals.

Some Democratic politicians learned lessons from this. Bill Clinton pursued welfare reform and honored, in rhetoric if not always behavior, people who work hard and play by the rules.

Barack Obama, in contrast, has built a top-and-bottom coalition — academics and gentry liberals, blacks and Hispanics, with funding and organizational backing from taxpayer-funded public-sector unions. In 2008, Obama carried those with incomes under $50,000 and over $200,000, and lost those in-between.

The Obama Democrats passed a stimulus package tilted toward public-sector unions and financial regulation propping up the big banks. Those at the top got paid off.

Less has gone to those at the bottom. Those in the middle have seen their health insurance canceled by Obamacare and sit waiting for to function.

Suddenly, this “aristocracy based on talent and sensibility,” in Siegel’s words, seems to be discrediting its own policies — and its conceit that it is uniquely fit to govern.

I think Mikey B is onto something. That makes this a good time to bring back this passage from Changing of the Guard, a prediction by one of the prominent Obot-Prog wunderkind self-proclaimed elites, the execrable Poetry major Chris Bowers:

So, unless Obama somewhat surprisingly does not become the next President of the United States, the Democratic Party will experience its first changing of the guard since the late 1980’s. What differences will be in store? Here are the three major changes I expect:

1. Cultural Shift: Out with Bubbas, up with Creatives: There should be a major cultural shift in the party, where the southern Dems and Liebercrat elite will be largely replaced by rising creative class types. Obama has all the markers of a creative class background, from his community organizing, to his Unitarianism, to being an academic, to living in Hyde Park to shopping at Whole Foods and drinking PBR. These will be the type of people running the Democratic Party now, and it will be a big cultural shift from the white working class focus of earlier decades. Given the demographics of the blogosphere, in all likelihood, this is a socioeconomic and cultural demographic into which you fit. Culturally, the Democratic Party will feel pretty normal to netroots types. It will consistently send out cultural signals designed to appeal primarily to the creative class instead of rich donors and the white working class.

2. Policy Shift: Out with the DLC, up with technocratic wonks. My sense of Obama and his policy team is overwhelmingly one of technocratic, generally less overtly ideological professional policy types. We should see a shift from the more corporate and triangulating policy focus of the Democratic Party in the 1990’s, and see it replaced by whatever centrist, technocratic policies are the wonkish flavor of the month. It will all be very oriented toward think-tank and academic types, and be reminiscent of policy making in the 1950’s, 1960’s and 1970’s. A sort of “technocratic liberalism” that will be less infuriating than DLC style governance, but still not overtly leftist.

3. Coalition reorganization: Out with party silos, in with squishy goo-goos. In addition to a shift in culture and policy focus, I also expect a different approach to coalition building. A long-standing Democrats approach of transactional politics with different issue and demographic silos in the party shift toward an emphasis on good government (goo goo) approaches. We will see lots of emphasis on non-partisanship, ethics reform, election reform instead of on, say, placating labor unions, environment groups, and the LGBT community by throwing each of these groups a policy bone or two. Now, the focus will be on broad, squishy fixes that are designed to appeal to several groups at once. George Lakoff wrote about this a couple months ago.

Here is MY prediction, which is already coming true:

In the years ahead we will be told that progressive policies of Obama did not fail, that the problem was a failure of will, vision and competence by most everyone on the left (except Obama) and the obstinate, obstreperous obstructionism of the racist Tea Party Republicans.

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124 Responses to Snooty Elitist Fail

  1. The Klown says:

    Robert A. Heinlein had a lot of good quotes about the dangers of deluded true-believerism.

    A con man knows he’s lying. This limits his scope. A holy man is sincere; there’s no limit to the trouble he can cause.

    There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him.

    It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.

    The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

    Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

    This is known as “bad luck.”

    “Secrecy is the keystone to all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy and censorship. When any government or church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, “This you may not read, this you must not know,” the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked in this fashion; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, whose mind is free. No, not the rack nor the atomic bomb, not anything. You can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.”

    • Lulu says:

      I have absolutely no doubt that the cult of wealthy, vapid, stupid Vile Progs and eco-nuts has no problem with killing millions by neglect. Depriving masses of energy, food and medical attention to attain their views and sustain their own lifestyles. This is their “policy”.

  2. Lulu says:

    It took the Republicans long enough to figure this out. It was obvious in 2008 that the emerging Vile Progs were the dregs and never-was-es of the affluent class (with a bunch of hangers on and helpers like Young Frankenstein’s Igor). They were not good looking, talented, clever, funny, energetic, original, or smart. They were marketers, hustlers, thieves, trolls, and never-cut- its who had convinced themselves that they were special. They worked in government and academia and eco advocacy and internet journalism because they were not smart enough to work in great grand pa’s bank or brokerage house or law firm or agricultural kingdom. They are represented poignantly by third generation Kennedys. They demanded a chance to rule, their families supported and paid for it and they have failed. Again.

    • The Klown says:

      One of the markers of the so-called “creative class” is a complete lack of real world accomplishments.

      • 49erDweet says:

        And another is a total cluelessness as to what that entails. To them, signing a vague petition against world hunger counts more than giving a hungry person food.

    • wmcb says:

      Nailed it. In a society that is credential and connections based, rather than accomplishment and responsiblity based, saying “let’s put the elites in charge” is laughable.

  3. The Klown says:
  4. driguana says:

    Yep…I’m going fishing.

    Sent from my iPhone


  5. The Klown says:
    • Lulu says:

      So the Salon-ites are having a bad day. They feel bad about themselves so are going to advocate for the poor by attacking the rich. How…..unoriginal. Are we talking about the eco-billionaires scamming the Depart of Energy for green factories who live in SF, or the crooked banksters there, or maybe the tech firms that fund hypocrites like Salon. How about they all go to Oakland and get chased by teenagers with guns shooting up the streets. They will write about the POOR who live somewhere else so they won’t get cooties or a bullet wound.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Hey Salon, how about the warped mind of our President and FLOTUS “Spend as I say not as I spend” ? Which includes heavily taxpayer funded trips to his ritzy vacay destinations. Or tossing more taxpayer funds at his already richie-rich donor pals ?

  6. Lulu says:

    Obamacare continues to plague the Elitist Party AKA Democrats. The Senate “flip” map is expanding to what were considered safe Dem seats. People are getting more and more furious about health insurance. The ones I am talking to are realizing that with degraded health insurance through their employers that they have received a pay cut. Health insurance was part of their compensation for labor and now it is worth a lot less. Bronco and the Dems gave EVERYBODY a pay cut. During a depression. Thank you so much elite, dumb ass Vile Progs. Let’s vote.

  7. votermom says:

    Started watching tv coverage of UN Human Rights commission report on North Korea and had to turn it off coz the kids where in the room.
    Concentration camp escapee said prisobers so starved for food some started killing their kids. “One mother took her 9 year old son and put him in a big pot …” click. Off goes the tv. As evil as the Nazis.

  8. The Klown says:
  9. DeniseVB says:

    When you’ve lost Time …..good smackdown of BO’s hypocrisy, a few commenters are defending him, but they’re in the minority. Some claim these golf courses use recycled sewage water not allowed on food crops.

    • The Klown says:

      They might use some, but they are primarily using regular irrigation water from the Colorado River.

      • DeniseVB says:

        When we have drought conditions in the Southeast, the first to go are the golf course fairways (greens and tee boxes only watered). Then bans on washing cars and residence/business gardens, etc. So we dig wells or pump out of lakes and ponds. If the drought’s severe enough, they ban pumping any kind of water. Brown lawns and dirty cars then become a sign of good little eco-greenies.

  10. The Klown says:

    That tactic has fun potential. Imagine guys holding up signs that said:

    “She didn’t brush her teeth”

    “No way, I know where her mouth has been!”

    “She’s a smoker!”

    “It’s not a cold sore.”

  11. The Klown says:
  12. DeniseVB says:

    Oh dear, problems in the First World of the 1%ers. Where to put the poor people homes in their affluent little town. (Doesn’t Hillary live here?)

  13. helenk3 says:

    when you watch people who think they are such do gooders, while taking in teenage foster children and using them as cheap maids and tell them how lucky they are to be allowed to live in their houses you will understand the “progressives” Everyone tells them how wonderful they are for taking in the poor unwanted girls and it looks good to the neighbors and the churchgoers. In the meantime they make sure the unwanted never get an ounce of self esteem and always wonder how long they will stay in one home before getting shipped out and replaced. they are the house cleaners, the baby sitters and cheap labor, where else can you get paid to have someone labor in your house and get reminded everyday how “lucky” they are?
    They do not even realize or if they did do not care the harm they so as long as it makes them look good to the outside world.
    When I watch the harm that is being done to this country now by the so-called progressives all in the idea of how they know better than everyone else and how it makes them look good because they chose a black president and not a competent president, I cry for my country.
    As for those who think they are getting a free lunch given to them by the so-called “progressives” it will be a great shock when they find out nothing is free, everything has to be paid for in one way or another. Progressives are very good at taking from one and giving it to another, with no cost to themselves and telling both how lucky they are.

  14. helenk3 says:

    owner operators of long haul trucks along with trucking companies are about to get screwed from backtrack and his bunch
    wonder how much warren buffet and his buddies will make off this?

  15. votermom says:

    Don’t care if its photoshop — very cool

  16. votermom says:

  17. votermom says:

    This makes me want to slap them all, all over again
    Buyer’s Remorse: Economist Poll Finds 71% of Obama Supporters “Regret” Voting For His Re-Election…

    Over seven in 10 Obama voters, and 55 percent of Democrats, regret voting for President Obama’s reelection in 2012, according to a new Economist/ poll.

  18. helenk3 says:

    maybe someone should tell the vile progs ” you can’t fool with mother nature”

  19. votermom says:

    I started the free online course
    UT.9.01x Effective Thinking Through Mathematics

    The intro is pretty good – no math at all yet.
    The teacher is Michael Starbird, math prof. He’s talking about his 5 strategies for effective thinking:
    Understand deeply
    Make mistakes
    Raise questions
    Follow the flow of ideas

    • DandyTIger says:

      Assault salt. Or is that Ass salt? Either way, it’s bad and must be stopped.

    • 49erDweet says:

      I’m reading this a little differently.
      #1 Its an old, stupid, Interstate Commerce Commission rule passed by Congress that’s been on the books for decades. But Yes, they should’ve waived it IF they had the power to do so.
      #2 It’s only 5% of their annual salt purchase and 20% of their daily use during storms, so where was the other 80%? I’m calling this as a phoney excuse for bureaucratic bungling.

  20. votermom says:

  21. helenk3 says:

    just peachy
    dingy harry asks backtrack to issue executive order halting deportations of illegal immigrants

  22. The Klown says:
  23. wmcb says:

    It’s absolutely hilarious (in a sad way) to me that these faux-elitists, who say that those who are most skilled and worthy of high office ought to be the ones in charge, when faced with an actual man who had actual accomplishments and an actual proven record of efficiency and generally high character and various virtues……. shrieked like banshees “KILL THE EVIL MITT!!!!”

    Now, one can argue that in choosing an elite, one can either go idealistic (pick the reformer) or go utilitarian (pick the businessman). But their version of “elites” is basically:

    “People like me who think like me, and sit around wanking off over how people like me are great, and will hire/appoint more people like me, because people like me are great, and I can prove it, because look at that paper written by a person like me, hypothesizing over how people like us are the fucking shit, therefore q.e.d.”

    • Lulu says:

      This is exactly how the Fascists in Europe thought and talked in the 1920’s and 1930’s. A bunch of assholes who opined if only someone superior like me was in charge everything would be perfect. They all thought they were part of the natural higher order or some shit. A few were smart in select areas but most of them were failures economically or socially or chicken farmers who thought they should be generals.

  24. The Klown says:
  25. votermom says:

    • helenk3 says:

      has anyone thought about how many jobs will be lost through the combination of obamacare and a higher minimum wage?
      think about it would you hire someone for a job that does not require a lot of skill if in addition the hourly wage the health care costs would cost you more then the job is worth?

    • 49erDweet says:

      I’d support the candidate who’d readjust federal wages downward based on keeping current schedules and step percentage differences, but setting them against the federal minimum wage base instead of an imaginary floor they had to recruit against four decades ago in an extremely competitive job market. Would probably mean Fed wages would be about 72% to 75% of current level. Only seems fair.

  26. The Klown says:
  27. wmcb says:

    Re: Kiev, Ukraine fires and protests, I understand that the human beings involved are the most important thing. No argument there at all. But…………..

    Is it too too terribly awful of me to be also looking at all that gorgeous architecture and history, surrounded by flames, and be thinking, “Oh, Christ, no, don’t let it get destroyed….”

  28. wmcb says:

  29. votermom says:

  30. wmcb says:

  31. The Klown says:


    • wmcb says:

      Oh good lord. If you turn the sound off, and look at the woman’s body language in the meeting? I’d mostly ignore her too. She’s hesitant, ill at ease, and not projecting confidence in the slightest. Why on earth would I pay attention to that? This is a BUSINESS, not a self help group. It’s not about your feelings. The business world doesn’t have to rearrange itself to coddle your wimpy ass. Learn the icy stare. Get some power skills. Jump in there with some oomph, or get ignored.

      As for the elevator thing, kiss my ass. I’m going to be more cautious if a man steps on my elevator than if a woman does. Race plays in there as well, that’s a reality. Young black dude? More caution. I’d be less cautious with an old black guy than a young white dude, though. And I’d be more comfortable with young black guy in a suit than with an equally young white guy who looked like a street person. There are all kinds of layers of risk/non-risk, and the brain sorts them in a split second. Human beings do pattern recognition – it’s a survival trait, and useful. You want me to actively stamp out my perfectly useful survival trait in the name of some nebuous feeeeeeeelings? Fuck you sideways. No.

      • swanspirit says:

        Ok , the elevator . First of all , what was hidden about her body language? It was loud and clear to me . And why not ? Honestly , what about the macro-agression where women turn up raped , beaten and or dead in ditches , basements, alleyways etc etc, every single goddamn day? can we talk about those incidents ?

      • The Klown says:

        My experience is that people in meetings listen to someone who has their shit together and blow-off anyone who doesn’t, and that has nothing to do with gender or race.

        • The Klown says:

          A good boss will make sure that everyone gets a chance to input and that no one unfairly dominates the meeting.

          The person doing the most talking isn’t always the smartest.

          • wmcb says:

            Agreed. But it’s completely asinine to just assume that everyone else has to always be careful to give the little ladies a chance to talk, let they appear micro-aggressive.

            As far as I’m concerned, the society that these idiots seek to create would not be a kind one, but rather an inefficient and, above all, a crashingly fucking dull one.

          • westcoaster says:

            the result is failure for the businesses that waste valuable time with these fads, and allow the big issues like corruption to go unnoticed.

    • Somebody says:

      Why yes that was a waste of 4 minutes of my life, but you warned us.

  32. westcoaster says:

    Clowns have to be funny now, in order to get hired (from Michelle’s Mirror):

  33. swanspirit says:

    OT try not to be afraid , and you really HAVE TO WATCH THE VIDEO , to appreciate .

    Really? Wild Pack Of Chihuahuas Terrorize Phoenix, Arizona
    Mike Miller
    On February 18, 2014
    KNXV-AZ in Phoenix, Arizona reports that an area neighborhood is being overrun by a pack of stray Chihuahuas. Really. And local officials are asking residents to try corralling them in their yards while they call for help.
    County representatives say foreclosures and undocumented workers leaving the area have led to a large number of the small, but apparently “vicious,” dogs running wild.
    Local animal control workers say they’ve had thousands of calls about stray Chihuahuas. Could this be a future scary movie?

  34. The Klown says:

    I’m just glad she didn’t demonstrate:

  35. wmcb says:

    Some friends on facebook are freaking over another “emergency powers” bill story.

    You know what I worry about? The real ordinary daily-type executive orders both Obama and Bush have abused right in front of our faces. THAT is the dangerous thing. I rarely worry about all that “emergency powers” stuff. Not even if it’s draconian.

    Because let’s get real: In a TRUE national emergency like a plague or zombies or a nuclear strike, whoever is president is going to do whatever he thinks he has to do, period. No piece of paper is going to either allow or forbid that. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise. In an actual emergency, with a panicked population, all bets are off no matter WHAT the law says. It simply won’t matter at that point. And if any president starts using the military against the people, or shoving them in camps, using a non-real-emergency as an excuse? Well, again, if we’re at that point of governmental lawlessness, then any piece of paper saying yea or nay would not have made a lick of difference.

    • DeniseVB says:

      On a related topic, I’ve been seeing nanny-nanny-boo-boo posts about GWB abusing his “powers” more than Obama thought most were related to post 9-11 minutes and hours that day. Katrina too. Those may have been more justifiable than Obama giving his union pals a wage hike?

  36. The Klown says:
    • The Klown says:

      Fox News will host discredited smear merchant Kathleen Willey tonight to attack Hillary Clinton. Willey is not credible — she has repeatedly been caught contradicting her own sworn testimony and has pushed absurd conspiracies that the Clintons killed her husband and former White House aide Vince Foster.

      The website for Fox’s The Kelly File currently features the following tease for tonight’s episode: “She claimed Bill Clinton sexually harassed her, but former aide Kathleen Willey now says Hillary is the bigger danger to women! Don’t miss this explosive interview.” Megyn Kelly’s interview will likely cover the same ground as an appearance Willey made on WND reporter Aaron Klein’s radio program, during which she claimed that “Hillary Clinton is the war on women.”

      Willey’s claims about Bill Clinton’s supposed harassment have been thoroughly discredited. In 1998, Willey alleged on CBS’ 60 Minutes that President Clinton fondled her against her will in 1993 during a private White House meeting in which she asked for a paid position in the administration (she was working as a volunteer at the time). Clinton denied making any sexual advance toward Willey, both at the time and in his memoir. The allegations were explored during discovery of Jones v. Clinton, the lawsuit in which Paula Jones claimed that Clinton sexually harassed her, and reviewed by Independent Counsel Robert Ray.

      Ray’s report found that “Willey’s Jones deposition testimony differed from her grand jury testimony on material aspects of the alleged incident,” noting that Willey “said at her deposition … that [Clinton] did not fondle her.” Ray also pointed out that — despite Willey’s subsequent claims that she had been intimidated near her home shortly before giving her Jones deposition in 1998 — in her Jones deposition, she “testified no one had tried to discourage her from testifying.”

      Ray also found that Willey contradicted herself on whether she had told others about the alleged incident; that Willey had sent repeated letters to Clinton after she claims he harassed her in which she “sought help or expressed gratitude”; that a Willey friend said Willey had instructed her to falsely support her story; and that Willey gave false information to the FBI. The Independent Counsel declined to prosecute Clinton due to “insufficient evidence.”

      Since her initial 60 Minutes interview, Willey has offered a series of implausible and conspiratorial claims about the Clintons’ alleged efforts to silence her.

      Willey’s husband, Ed Willey, committed suicide on November 29, 1993 — the same day on which she claims Bill Clinton sexually harassed her after she asked him for a job. At the time, Edward Willey owed the IRS $400,000, had stolen $275,000 from a client, and was being threatened with disbarment. Kathleen Willey has since insinuated that her husband was actually murdered at the behest of the Clintons, and suggested a possible parallel to the death of Foster. Fringe conservatives have for years claimed that Foster was murdered in spite of numerous investigations proving that he took his own life.

      In her 2007 autobiography, Target: Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton, Willey wrote that her husband is on a list of “former Clinton associates who had died abruptly — and conveniently for the Clintons,” and claimed, “it has not escaped my notice that, less than five months after the left-handed Vince Foster drove to a wooded area in Virginia and used both hands to put a .38 caliber pistol into his mouth, so did my husband.” (The claim that the gun a left-handed Foster used to take his own life was found in his right hand is a common falsehood used to promote the conspiracy — Foster was actually right-handed.)

      Willey then speculated that her husband could have been killed because he may have “illegally borrowed” money from the Clinton campaign to pay the IRS and other bills. Claiming that a medical examiner provided a “full report” in which the examiner “suggested that he [Ed Willey] held the gun with both hands but pulled the trigger with his right,” Willey added: “That’s exactly how Vince Foster is said to have killed himself.” Willey also wrote: “Despite the unanswered questions, I reconciled in my mind, long ago, that Ed killed himself. In my heart, I don’t want to think so and I still wonder, How could he possibly do that? I go back and forth. And, as I do, the possibility lingers, logical or not, that Ed was murdered.”

      Extensive excerpts from Willey’s book are available here. She offered similar claims in a 2007 interview with conspiracy website WorldNetDaily promoting the book.

      In a September 2007 article, WorldNetDaily reported: “Kathleen Willey, the woman who says Bill Clinton groped her in the Oval Office, claims she was the target of an unusual house burglary over the weekend that nabbed a manuscript for her upcoming book, which promises explosive revelations that could damage Sen. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Willey told WND little else was taken from her rural Virginia home as she slept alone upstairs — electronics and jewelry were left behind — and she believes the Clintons were behind it.”

      Willey reportedly told WorldNetDaily that the alleged theft was “prompted by teasers of the book’s contents” in the media the previous week. While she offered no evidence for her claims, Willey’s allegations were heavily promoted by the conservative media, including on Fox News’ Special Report with Brit Hume.

      Brock knows what he’s talking about – he was helping spread lies about the Clintons in the Nineties.

      • The Klown says:

        Kathleen Willey is one of several people who have made careers out of dishing alleged insider dirt on the Clintons. That toe-sucking moron is another one.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Bummer. Megyn was my last hope of any news channel 😦 I have to agree with Mitt, leave Bill’s shenanigins separate from Hillary’s record. Her record as SoS should be enough. Bazinga Mitt !

      Other than Bill being called a “raaaacist”, I don’t even think Team Obama needed to “go there” ?

  37. westcoaster says:

    OT: Legos are getting interesting- The Red Wedding scene and Darcy in the Lake

    • DeniseVB says:

      Oh darn, taking “special Greg” to see the Legos Movie tomorrow, thought link was about that. No problem, it’s a cinema cafe, I can have whine with pizza!

  38. The Klown says:
    • DeniseVB says:

      Train travel is really better than flying if you’re not in a hurry. I thought of this today when Keith Koffler posted:

      The DC to NY Amtrak high speed Acela is only about 2 hours ? (help me helen). MO will be shutting down 3 airports in the NYC area of backed up flights from the NE’s winter storms. Not to mention the road closures for her entourage of vehicles and the peons idling in the traffic that creates. For what? Drink more water, visit an art gallery and pop in on Jimmy? Get back to me when Salon covers that 🙂

      • DandyTIger says:

        I’ve been on that train a few times, but can’t remember. Think it might be more like 3 hours. Great line though. Are they changing Penn station though. Seems like I heard something about that.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Could be 3 hours? But I take the slow train from the Norfolk station, change engines in DC, then it’s only about 3 hours to Penn from there. Thought Acela was faster? She skips a lot of the bumf**k stations ? Changing Penn Station? I hope not, it’s only about 10 blocks from my hotel 🙂 Still faster for me than taking shuttles from LGA or JFK.

      • helenk3 says:

        I have not been on the Acela equipment but it is faster then the metroliner from DC to NYC. see no reason they could not close off one or two cars for her and have her met at Penn Station. But I am not sure the SS would allow her to travel that way. Although Joe Biden uses Amtrak without a problem. You do not really expect the empress of all she surveys to travel with the common peasants do you?

        • DeniseVB says:

          Thanks helen 🙂 I’m sure the SS would let her travel that way if she wanted to. It would certainly be less disruptive than flying into a major NYC airport. They shut down miles in midtown and the parkways into the city for the convoy. Penn to Rock Center is only 15 (?) blocks.

    • 49erDweet says:

      I do agree with her point on our lack of a national high-speed passenger rail system. Bad economics. If we’d build it, they would ride.

      • The Klown says:

        Sure, let’s just print up some more money to pay for it!

      • helenk3 says:

        you need a lot better planing then they are doing in California. you would have to take a train to get to the highspeed train. It avoids the major cities.
        If they really wanted high speed rail it would start in San Diego , stops in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Sacramento. It could go all the way to Seattle making stops at major cities. then people would use it. You would have to upgrade the existing tracks which is cheaper then building a whole new system. There are already feeder lines going to the major cities and major roads to get to them

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