Foliehatt Friday – Where the hell is Flight 370?

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In the early morning hours of March 8th, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 took off from Kuala Lumpur enroute to Beijing. Its last reported location was over the Gulf of Thailand less than one hour later.

Then it vanished without a trace.

So, TCHers, put on your foliehatts and solve this mystery. Where the hell is Flight 370?

Rumors and wild speculation are encouraged.


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120 Responses to Foliehatt Friday – Where the hell is Flight 370?

  1. helenk3 says:

    2 passengers with stolen passports. 1 passenger with flight simulator training. both transponders turned off at different times manually. rolls royce engines giving signals for 4 hours after plane dropped off radar. in the middle of muslim country. passenger’s cell phones going to voice mail a couple of days after plane lost.
    ransom for plane and passengers??? another planned terror attack????

    • Lulu says:

      I think it is just a weird aviation accident. Everywhere but the security obsessed US you can probably get on a plane with a good quality fake ID or passport. I think you can here too if you aren’t hauling drugs. Malaysia is not exactly known for its police, investigative ability nor tech. That is not a slam on Malaysia but it is what it is. Who knows if anything that has been put in the press is real or true. It will be figured out somehow so people will continue to get on planes.

      • 49erDweet says:

        Each time I’ve flown out of the UK the security seemed just as thorough and good, or maybe even better, than that afforded by the brilliant TSA.

    • votermom says:

      So, TCHers, put on your foliehatts and solve this mystery. Where the hell is Flight 370?

      Here are the possible scenarios:

      1. Catastrophic event in the cockpit at the point the plane lost contact. 15 min delay between two transponders could be explained by initial event occurring at 33,000 ft turns off 1st transponder and 15 minutes later they crash into the sea and everything “turns off”.
      Does not explain reports of being able to ping the plane hourly up to 4 hours later.

      2. Plane was hijacked, either by crew or passenger(s), transponders are turned off (15 min gap because hey, have you ever hijacked a plane? stuff doesn’t alway go according to plan, mister!), then turns to a new course.

      2.a Plane hijacking is successful. Plane is now in a hanger somewhere, and we’ll find out what happened to it in a very painful way when it is used for whatever purpose the hijackers ultimately intend.

      2.b Plane hijacking is unsuccessful. It flew on its intended route for some time and then crashed. Plan could be at the bottom of the ocean or in a jungle or on an island beach.

      3. Plane was tractor-beamed by aliens or flew into a timewarp. Passengers are right now talking to Amelia Earhart.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I thought it was odd they dismissed the two Iranians with stolen passports pretty early on as “Just nice boys seeking asylum illegally”. Now if you follow that twisting and turning flight path, it’s headed towards ….. the Mideast.

      • 49erDweet says:

        A couple of minor problems with it turning and heading west from Malaysia at a lower altitude: 1. At lower altitudes they burn more fuel thus it should have less range. 2. It’s a computer flown aircraft. Manual override is tricky and holding a desired course without the turned off electronic aids seems counter-intuitive, 3. Any nation or group caught giving aid and comfort to, or harboring hijackers, could pretty well write themselves off in a normal world. Obviously that’s not now,

  2. The Klown says:
  3. driguana says:

    From the 1955 sci fi film This Island Earth…check out 1:01 – 1:07 in the trailer. One of my favorite scenes…”They’re pulling us up”!…

  4. votermom says:

  5. elliesmom says:

    I tell you, the plane is LOST. It’s on a small island with polar bears and hatches. The island can appear and disappear at will, which is why we’ll never find it. The people on the plane are dead, but they have to go through all sorts of adventures to finally figure that out.

  6. leslie says:

    On the news this morning – I heard that many years ago there was a passenger plane “lost” flying over Lake Michigan (one of the 7 great lakes per bronco). It was never found, no passengers ever heard from again. There is a book written about the incident and the subsequent search. If I have time, I’ll try to look it up later. I’m on my way to work now.

  7. DeniseVB says:

    I hope 49er doesn’t mind me bringing up his comment from downstairs, a couple of posts ago he had a great theory that Fox News was talking these same points this morning (Do you suppose Geraldo reads TCH ? 😉 )

    49erDweet says:
    March 12, 2014 at 2:46 pm
    Re: the Malaysian Airlines mystery. Several floating objects recovered from the sea between Malaysia and Vietnam were determined to not be debris from the aircraft. Authorities are now looking closer at the Indian Ocean after taking more seriously a local military radar tracking report from that day that the plane turned hard left and flew to a lower altitude at about the time its transponder signal disappeared. And they are also putting more credence to a claim the plane was observed by an individual later at a low altitude flying westward across the Malaysian Strait. from Malaysia toward Northern Sumatra.
    Speculation. With it’s known fuel load it would probably have been been possible for the presumed undamaged aircraft to continue flying as far as Sri Lanka, parts of southern India or maybe the Maldives Islands, but not much further. Or it could have flown down the west coast of Sumatra and circled around toward Indonesia. The thing is if the goal were to steal the plane for any reason, it would need to land safely enough so that once refueled it could take off again and fly normally. The number of airports and landing strips in those locations long enough to accommodate a plane that size is limited, and almost all are under some type of government control. Barring a huge multi-national plot, that makes a hijack for theft scenario less likely.

    • votermom says:

      The number of airports and landing strips in those locations long enough to accommodate a plane that size is limited, and almost all are under some type of government control.

      “Government control” in many parts of that region is much laxer and prone to corruption than what we are used to here.

      • 49erDweet says:

        True. And the Maldives are ostensibly followers of the religion of peace, but that’s probably not important.

      • driguana says:

        Depends on which way they actually went. Remember that many large runways were built throughout the South Pacific during WWII. That plane is worth a lot of money and is also a potential, formidable weapon. My theory is it is somewhere, as some predetermined location, in the South Pacific. It remains to be seen where the passengers will turn up….or down.

  8. votermom says:

    Tweet from Singapore Today

  9. Somebody says:

    Well it’s certainly a mystery. The transponder and ACARS being turned off 15 minutes apart doesn’t completely rule out a catastrophic event, but it sure makes it far less likely. One thing I haven’t heard mentioned is the internet, the 777 is outfitted with internet although it does depend on the carrier. If there was something going on big enough that the passengers knew, not a single one thought of using the internet? Either the passengers were blissfully unaware and the flight seemed to be progressing normally or they were all taken out en massse.

    I know everybody is thinking muslim terrorists because of the two guys with fake passports. I’m not so sure. If it was muslims why not just detour to the world’s tallest buildings and go out big, they could have made it there. There are other possibilites the point being this doesn’t really fit their MO, unless as some have speculated they wanted the plane for future use OR their new MO is to make everyone afraid of flying anywhere in the world lest they vanish to. If the latter is their plan why haven’t they spouted off yet? They always manage to get a tape to Al Jezeera.

    OK so my tinfoil scenario, option one the Chinese are involved NOT muslims. We’ve been in a tacit cyber war for years with them. We really don’t know much about who was on that plane outside of a couple of passengers. What about the rest of them? Why were they going to China? Maybe this ties in to the dead bankers? Perhaps China is feeling a little more emboldened lately like Russia? Perhaps the flight continued on somewhere into China, but was only made to look like it didn’t. That way nobody is looking in China for the passengers especially the passengers that the Chinese were really interested in that were on that flight. It would explain why none of the passengers tried to contact somebody because everything seemed normal. The passengers would have no way of knowing the transponder had been turned off.

    My second guess is that maybe they hit something or some type of catastrophic thing happened similar to Payne Stewart’s plane years ago. The crew tried to program the plane back to Malaysia and in their haste typed in the wrong coordinates. Unfortunately being married to an air traffic controller my husband has crapped all over that theory six ways to Sunday. The crew and passengers have oxygen, you put in an airport code not lat/long, that theory doesn’t explain the transponder and ACARS being shut off 15 minutes apart.

    My husband said if we want to go tinfoil hat his submission is a rogue group of fundamental Polynesians hijacked the plane to sacrifice it to the volcano gods.

    On a serious note my husband’s fear is that it has been taken to be used in the future in a kamikaze style attack. He says it’s not important where the plane could have landed, if it landed it’s more important whether it could take off because it needs more runway to take off, but officials know that. He also has opinions about ways it could fly again undetected by spoofing, but those kinds of details aren’t necessary just know that there are several different ways to accomplish that should someone be inclined.

    • votermom says:

      How about this scenario?
      – it was some flavor of terrorists that took the plane, plane goes into China airspace, over-eager military guy pulls the trigger to blast it out of the sky, and China is covering up the whole thing.

      • Somebody says:

        It works, similar to the early theories about the plane being hit by a missle. IF that plane went down there is debris, whether over the waters or land there is some kind of debris. I don’t understand how we have spy satellites that can zoom in and discern what you’re reading but we can’t figure out where this plane is or maybe we know more than we’re saying.

      • The Klown says:

        The U.S. Navy shot down an Iranian airliner by mistake back in the 80′s. The USSR shot down a Korean airliner during the same era.

    • helenk3 says:

      I was wondering what your husband’s take was on this

    • 49erDweet says:

      Yep, if it could not take off again for any reason, such as a blown tire on landing. etc., it would seem to foil any other scenario than ransom, which seems illogical.

    • 49erDweet says:

      Somebody said:

      “On a serious note my husband’s fear is that it has been taken to be used in the future in a kamikaze style attack.”

      When I commented a couple of days ago (thanks VM for the boost) a “kamikaze” scenario was also on my mind but I chose to not mention it then. But what-the-hey, it’s Friday.
      Since Malaysia Air routinely flies into LAX, one scenario that leaps out is for a regularly scheduled MA flight en route to the US be catastrophically taken out inflight someway and a ‘now reloaded with whatever’ MH370 slip into it’s place and be welcomed into the landing pattern over La La Land. All sorts of disaster and mischief seem possible.
      Furthermore, that particular aircraft model flies into and over Washington DC, New York City, Chicago, London. Moscow and Paris. All sorts of target scenarios spring forth.
      For conspiracy theorists it’s fun, fun, fun.

      • 49erDweet says:

        Thanks DVB for the boost. Short-term-memory-loss-are-fun.

      • Somebody says:

        Yes those are scenarios hubby put forth, he also put forth additional ones like military targets. He says the cargo capacity of a 777 is huge you could load a plane that size with all kinds of things, not just traditional explosives either.

        There is worldwide ATC, but coverage is better is some areas than others. I would assume anybody planning something nefarious would know the most vulnerable areas. Also, ATC is handled by some less than friendly countries in some places. Although most of those controllers are western trained, the vast majority American. We know plenty of ME air traffic controllers, they’re actually retired US controllers. The money is VERY good, hubby considered it himself.

        There are ways to spoof things without ATC complicity but you’d have to know how the system works and how to take advantage of certain things. I won’t go into details, even though I’m sure if that’s the plan those details are well known. Bottom line if the right people on the ground are alert they should be able to figure it out. Another thing, it takes fuel to get that jet anywhere and I’m sure the right people are looking into that and will continue to monitor that.

        • 49erDweet says:

          Yep. Fuel could have been stockpiled, but anything else would be a problem. You can’t go to Pep Boys for that stuff.
          If it’s something along that line the carrying capacity might not be all that important. It migjt be the configuration. It could even be mistaken electronically for.Mooshes flying RV.

  10. The Klown says:

    Whoever stole that plane knew quite a bit about flying one – it was either one or both of the pilots or someone with pilot training.

  11. votermom says:

  12. Somebody says:

    Completely OT………I’m dealing with a sad personal issue. You all know that my dog was very ill recently, he hasn’t fully recovered. The HGE is gone, but overall the dog’s health has continued to deteriorate. We’ve known since late June that he was in renal failure we just expected the progression to be much slower. It’s like the bout of HGE put everything into warp speed. He’s a couple of months shy of being 14 years old. He has other health issues including being blind for the past several years after suffering a stroke. He’s a bichon frise and they actually tend to have very long lives so if he didn’t have these issues he could live almost another decade.

    Labs revealed yesterday that his vital organs are shutting down. He’s very weak, he’s lost a quarter of his body weight in a couple of weeks. He’s refused to eat anything for several days, not that he was eating much or holding much down for the past few weeks, then he stopped drinking yesterday. Our vet says there is no recovery from this and that he’s in pain. When he can stand and walk he’s walking stiff legged, of course he’s so weak he doesn’t get far. Last night he started losing control of his bodily functions. Our vet thinks it would be best to put him to sleep, she says he’s not going to live more than a few days anyway, outside chance a week possibly two. For now he’s home and on morphine, the vet wanted to give us a chance to come to terms with things and say our goodbyes.

    This dog has had all sorts of issues through the years, lots of bizarre kinds of things. We call him our million dollar dog, because he’s run up so many huge vet bills. Our vet recently had to start a second file for him which they’ve never had to do for any other patient. Hell the emergency animal hospital has a big file on him too. So he’s been knocking on death’s door before and he’s always bounced back. I joke that he’s actually part cockroach.

    Over the past several weeks we’ve been in and out of the vet and emergency hospital a lot, about twice a week. He’s been closely monitored and has had a battery of tests. Our vet says there is nothing more to be done for him he won’t bounce back, his body is shutting down and the humane thing is to end his suffering. My husband agrees, he came to that conclusion earlier this week. I’ve seen his labs, I know how bad they look. I know we’ve had all sorts of testing to rule out all sorts of possibilities and that most likely for whatever reason he’s reached end stage with his renal failure, I’m sure the HGE didn’t help given his already weakened state. We knew we were on the path to the long goodbye when he was diagnosed with chronic renal failure last summer, it’s just that I kind of thought it would progress a little more slowly.

    Anyway I’m just having a hard time making such a final decision. I know what all the medical tests and labs say, but I also know he’s defied vets before…..he is after all part cockroach. On the other hand I know he’s terminal no matter what even if he should somehow bounce back this time although the vet said given where he is that’s simply not going to happen.

    So I guess I’ve rambled enough, do you guys thing I’m crazy? I’ve never had to do this and I feel like somehow I’m playing God or I’m Jack Kevorkian or at least I’m hiring my vet to be Kevorkian. If you got through all of this rambling thank for listening and letting me vent. Truth is I think my husband is going to take him this afternoon whether I’m OK with it or not.

    • votermom says:

      (((Somebody))))

    • lyn says:

      (((Somebody)))
      Here’s what a veterinarian e-mailed me when we were wrestling with the decision:
      “I want you to think about the fact that Sneakers has a problem that can’t be fixed–but if left to Mother Nature his end would be too long, too difficult. So it is our job to decide when enough is enough–and you should understand very well that there are no rights or wrongs in this territory when you are trying your best for someone you love.
      “I try to use objective data to decide on the timing of euthanasia. I ask about eating, about whether a cat is going through their normal routines, whether they are looking outside themselves or starting that inward journey. Even though I look for data, usually we usually just try to feel what’s right and avoid trouble. My personal bias is against waiting too long because I have done that with patients and I still feel the guilt; however, you must believe that you are doing the right thing at the right time or else you will feel one of my other most hated emotions, regret.”

      • CalDream says:

        Thank you for sharing the vet’s wise comments. Twice we have been in this situation, twice we felt guilt (didn’t wait long enough, waited too long) and the loss of a dear family member; now there is peace.

      • Somebody says:

        Thanks Lyn. If I’m going to be totally honest he started an inward journey months ago well before he got HGE. He bascially ate and slept, very little interaction. He’s been going down hill for months and in my heart of hearts I know that. Since the HGE he’s barely existed except through IV fluids and other medical intervention.

        In my heart of hearts I know the vet is right too, it’s just hard and I want him to rebound. My neighbor across the street is a retired vet, I talked to her yesterday and again this morning…….she assures me it’s time.

    • elliesmom says:

      The hardest thing I have ever had to do in my life is put my beloved Samantha down. I’ve lost both my parents and I’ve had a child with cancer so I know what “hard” feels like. I wanted to keep her just one more day so I could say a proper good-by, but the look in her eyes told me it was time to let go. She died in my arms with me in my vet’s arms. Don’t let him go without you there. Let the last thing he feels be your love. And now I have to stop because I’m crying and poor Ellie doesn’t know why.

    • helenk3 says:

      ((((somebody))))
      It is a hard painful decision. but what is best for the dog you love will give you the answer

    • Lulu says:

      It is very, very hard. The decision should not be about you but rather what is best for your darling pet. If she is already shutting down the suffering is advanced and she can suffer more while you deal with her loss before you lose her or make a decision to deal with it after the fact. You are going to miss her either way and second guess yourself no matter what. It is an intensely personal decision and one we assume when we have and love our pets. I’ve had to do it twice, deciding alone in a a vets office, holding my beautiful cats that I did not want the last thing they experienced to be pain and misery. I have two silly cat statues in my garden where they are buried and I can still think about the happiness they brought us.

    • The Klown says:

      I think you know what you have to do, you just don’t want to have to do it. That’s understandable. I was in that very situation last year with Baxter.

      You and your husband can both go, and be there with your beloved family member until the end. When I took Baxter I had my oldest son go with me for moral support. Then I held her until it was over. I brought Baxter home afterwards, and buried her in the yard.

    • DeniseVB says:

      {{{Somebody}}}

      Here’s what we handed out at the vet practice I worked at, by Eugene O’Neill ……

      http://www.eoneill.com/texts/blemie/contents.htm

      I know it helped me with my own dogs 😦

      • Somebody says:

        Thanks Denise, except now I’m crying more, that’s all I seem to be able to do lately is cry.

    • foxyladi14 says:

      So Sorry Somebody

    • 49erDweet says:

      Putting down a terminal pet to relieve it’s pain and misery is an ultimate act of love and kindness, in my book. He’s depending on you to be strong, even though you are grieving. Condolences. and afterward keep remembering the happy times.

      • Somebody says:

        Thanks everybody for you kind words and advice. I’m trying to be strong, it’s just so hard and it hurts so much to say goodbye.

    • leslie says:

      I’m so sorry for you and your family. I have read how important your dog is to you all.
      {{hugs}}

    • piper says:

      Somebody,
      Bichons are one of the best breeds – have loved and been loved by 3 of them. One of the hardest decision is knowing when it was time to say good-bye. We had a good vet who never pushed us but told us to think about their quality of life. We lost our last one in November – still miss her but this winter with the subzero temps and loads of snow would have been to hard on her given her age, allergies and arthritis. One of these days I’ll figure out how to post a picture of our babies.
      Sending big hugs to you!

    • DandyTIger says:

      So sorry. The main thing is to make sure he’s not in great discomfort. I let that be my guiding principle when the time is running out. It’s hard and there’s no pretending it isn’t.

      • Somebody says:

        Thank you all again, one final note. RIP Cosmo Kramer, faithful friend until the end, forever my Mo Man! He was named after the Seinfeld character because bichon’s have curly fros on top of their heads and he was always a little frenetic and odd like Kramer.

        I did go to the vet, but couldn’t stay until the end. I ran out after he was asleep but before they gave him the ………other stuff. My husband stayed the entire time. I know we’ll get past this, but I’m still looking for him and think I hear him. I’m sure it will just take some time.

        • Karma says:

          Words don’t do justice with any loss but my heart goes out to you and your family.

          So sorry, love!

    • XOXOXOXO.
      I am weeping for you, your pet- and for my Sabrina, Kozmoe and Lisa Love. Mine have been gone a few years now- and I miss them still. But I know I did the right thing ending their suffering.
      Yes it hurts. It is one of the hardest things to do, making the decision to end their suffering and pain. Remember the love.

    • gadem says:

      No matter how bad it gets, that decision will never be easy. I had the same situation with my boxer last August. I took him to the vet for that final shot 3 times and could never do it. My waiting resulted in his taking a downward spiral; he couldn’t walk at all and he was pooping on himself and whimpering like he was ashamed. I was the one ashamed – that I held on so long because of my personal pain that I caused him more suffering than he deserved. If there were any chance for recovery it would be different but you know there isn’t. You will lose him and it won’t ever be easy. Do it now to save him from more suffering. Just always remember that you loved him and gave him the best care you possibly could. My heart aches for you..

  13. Constance says:

    Flight 370 was obviously a Bermuda triangle style space alien abduction.

    Or it’s also possible the plane was hijacked and landed in a Muslim country. The terrorists are now packing the plane with explosives and aiming it at their intended target which they will hit on a date of significance to Muslims or terrorists. But not to worry, our government will have drawn a red line regarding this sort of behavior. The perps will definitely be shunned. So There!

  14. DeniseVB says:

    Just saw these Flight 370 musings on Ace:

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/347879.php

    • 49erDweet says:

      Ace makes some good points but that thing can’t land and take-off from any dirt strip in that part of the world. Way too heavy. If it’s landed anywhere, it’s a well-prepared and structurally reinforced site, or it will never fly again.

  15. helenk3 says:

    friday document dump.. more of President Clinton’s papers will be released today from his library . include papers on gore’s run in 2000

  16. DeniseVB says:

    Meanwhile, I think Kerry’s been wagging his finger at Russia and giving them a Monday deadline for something or other, or else ! Gah, let’s just keep poking that bear and embarrass ourselves further.

  17. helenk3 says:

    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/121321-oh-snap-ted-cruz-fearlessly-calls-harry-reid-villifying-private-citizens-senate-floor/

    WOW
    the republican party has some great young congressmen. damn shame the old guard does not recognize that

    • leslie says:

      GOP recognizes those great young congressmen as threats instead of assets. That’s why they try to castrate them.

  18. votermom says:

    Ooh, that’s some tough talk right there Lurchy

    Secretary of State John Kerry emphasized talk of possible sanctions against Russia are not a “threat” or meant in a “personal way” towards Russian President Vladimir Putin Friday in a London press conference:

    JOHN KERRY: We hope President Putin will recognize that none of what we’re saying is meant as a threat, it’s not meant in a personal way. It is meant as a matter of respect for the international, multilateral structure that we have lived by since World War II, and for the standards of behavior about annexation, about succession, about independence, and how countries come about it.

    Kerry’s non-confrontational words appear to reinforce a report from The Daily Beast’s Josh Rogin which characterized the White House as “bracing” for the possibility of Russian retaliation to economic sanctions.

    http://freebeacon.com/kerry-possible-sanctions-against-russia-not-a-threat-or-meant-in-a-personal-way/

  19. helenk3 says:

    http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/03/14/new-iraqi-law-legalizes-rape-feminists-busy-banning-words-care/

    Is this the freedom we spend blood and treasure to achieve????

    so where are all the so called feminists now??????

  20. The Klown says:

    My mom sent me this:

  21. helenk3 says:

    http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=9464086

    sailor in iconic picture from WW2 has died. may he RIP

  22. driguana says:

    There are literally hundreds of abandoned airstrips all throughout the Indian and Pacific Oceans many of them build just prior, during or just after WWII of for other military reasons. Some of them are quite large like the one on Johnson Island in the Pacific. With a little research, some reconnaissance and some reconstruction, one of these could have been prepped for a landing and no one would ever know that anyone ever landed there….
    http://www.airfields-freeman.com/HI/Airfields_W_Pacific.htm

    • The Klown says:

      An airstrip is really just a strip of paved road that is unoccupied and clear of trees and other obstacles on either side.

      • 49erDweet says:

        …in this case one that can support a 600,000 pound rolling hunk of metal, between 3000 and 6000 feet long to land and at least 8500 feet long to take off again.

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  25. DandyTIger says:

    Clearly the little green men got them.

  26. The Klown says:

    {{Phone rings}}

    Me: “Hello?”
    Mom: “What are you doing this afternoon?”
    Me: “Going to Lowe’s. They’re having a big sale on gardening stuff.”
    Mom: “Great! I want to go with you, I need some stuff too.”
    Me: “I’m planning on getting a lot of stuff.”
    Mom: “That’s okay. We’ll take both cars.”
    {{At the store}}
    Perky teenage girl store employee: “Need some help loading that?”
    Me: “Uh, no, that’s okay, I got it.”
    {{Several hours later}}
    My back: “I will make you suffer for what you did to me!!”

  27. The Klown says:

    I just checked the “latest news” on flight 370 and basically there is still nothing new.

  28. The Klown says:
  29. Somebody says:

    Somebody else sort of has my theory
    http://www.boston.com/news/source/2014/03/9_crazy_conspiracy_theories_about_malaysian_airlines_flight.html

    Check out theory number 3, a little more bold than my Chinese theory. You all didn’t give my theory any credence……………I had my reasons for the Chinese theory. I didn’t know there was a total of 21 on that flight though, just knew what I knew.

  30. gadem says:

    Extend that flight line and it goes straight to Iran. I think they’re planning to load it and detonate it over Israel.

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