I Gotta Go With The Gun Control Nuts On This One

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Chipotle: Don’t Bring Guns in Our Stores

Chipotle is asking customers not to bring firearms into its stores after it says gun rights advocates brought military-style assault rifles into one of its restaurants in Texas.

The Denver-based company notes that it has traditionally complied with local laws regarding open and concealed firearms.

But in a statement Monday, the company said that “the display of firearms in our restaurants has now created an environment that is potentially intimidating or uncomfortable for many of our customers.”

The announcement came after a petition by Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, which has called on other companies to ban firearms in their stores as well. The group said its petition was in reaction to open-carry gun activists appearing at a Dallas-area Chipotle restaurant over the weekend.

I strongly support the Second Amendment but I gotta go with the gun control nuts on this one.

First of all, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America is a bunch of gun control nuts. Their leader, Shannon Watts, is a dishonest demogogue. They are financed by Michael Bloomberg, the billionaire former mayor of New York City.

Chipotle is a restaurant chain serving some kind of yuppyfied Mexican food. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that they really wanted no part of this kerfluffle.

“Open Carry” is a movement of gun owners who believe that the Second Amendment gives people the right to carry firearms openly in public. Some states allow open carry of loaded firearms, others restrict it to unloaded firearms or require that firearms be concealed and that the owner obtain a permit. In California you can’t even carry a loaded gun in your trunk and they define “loaded” as having the gun in the bullets in the same location.

If you live in a place like New York City you might find the concept of people packing pistols, rifles and shotguns around in public to be bizarre and outrageous. On the other hand if you live in rural Texas it might seem perfectly normal to you. I’ve been around guns all my life so I don’t freak out at the sight of one.

I support the right of law-abiding adults to own guns. I think concealed carry permits should be issued to anyone who asks for one unless there is good cause to deny them a permit. I think many of our gun laws are too restrictive as well as unconstitutional.

But the right to keep and bear arms is not absolute. If it were, people could own machine guns, howitzers and rocket launchers. You could argue that the Open Carry movement also involves the First Amendment because they are making a political statement. But the First Amendment isn’t absolute either.

If Open Carry advocates want to conduct a peaceful, otherwise legal march or rally I support that. If they want to deliberately break the law as a protest in order to contest the constitutionality of that law, I support that too but I hope they understand and are prepared to face the possible consequences (fines, prison, legal fees, etc.) of such a protest.

But Chipotle is within their rights to ban guns from their premises. They should not be forced to allow other people to conduct political protests in their restaurants. Banning guns from their property is not unreasonable.

But even if Chipotle wanted to allow it, Open Carry advocates are being ridiculous. Having the right to do something doesn’t make it the right thing to do.

Guns are not toys. Gun owners have a duty of care to use, handle, and store their guns in a safe, responsible manner. Toting loaded rifles and shotguns into a restaurant just to prove you can is not safe or responsible.

Guns are tools made up of moving and stationary parts. They are specialized machines designed to propel one or more projectiles in a certain direction at a high rate of speed. The purpose of shooting guns is to punch holes in things like paper targets, soda cans, bottles, animals and other humans.

Mechanics and carpenters don’t normally carry their tools into restaurants and malls, even though there is no law against it. Where do you put a shotgun while you are sitting in a booth? Do you put your rifle in a shopping cart while you move around the store?

Gun control is a political issue. If gun owners want to hold onto the right to keep and bear arms, they need to act reasonably.

That’s my opinion. YMMV

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94 Responses to I Gotta Go With The Gun Control Nuts On This One

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  4. mothy67 says:

    I do not get this medicare stuff. Never applied but now it seems I have it and have had it since February. I paid 3 months for coverage but I use a clinic doctor and while he is very good all he does is write a scrip for me to get blood work. Labs were not covered so I was spending 300/mo for health care and 300 for blood work. Waste of money so I dropped it. Not easy to do. They kept on billing. My hypocrisy is epic. I will take the coverage. They took a few dollars out of my paycheck for 30 years. I do not feel I deserve it but palliative care will beat walking into the woods with a bottle.

  5. The Klown says:

    CLASSIC ACE: The Toxic Self-Delusions of the Liberal Psychology:

    To bring this ’round to current politics: Liberals, of course, also have a great deal of distance between their own capacities for unfairness, nastiness, dishonesty, and hypocrisy than they believe they do. Again, their sense of self depends heavily on the proposition that they are superior, if not superlative, in their fairness, civility, honesty, and integrity; they have great difficulties admitting deficiencies (beyond a fairly trivial sort) in any of these virtues.

    Now, I don’t believe that either group, liberals or conservatives, has a particular monopoly on virtue. Individual people, obviously, may be more virtuous than others, but when it comes to large groups, I tend to imagine that all the usual sins are spread, collectively, about equally over both.

    However — I strongly believe that the liberals have a far less realistic self-assessment as regards their own, and their political brethren’s, scores on these virtues.

    I don’t believe conservatives or liberals are more honest, generally, than the other.

    But I do believe liberals are strongly convinced they’re more honest.

    I don’t believe conservatives or liberals are more fair, generally, than the other.

    But I do believe liberals are strongly convinced they’re fairer.

    I don’t believe conservatives or liberals are more civil, generally, than the other.

    But I do believe liberals are strongly convinced they’re more civil.

    I don’t believe conservatives or liberals have more integrity, generally, than the other.

    But I do believe liberals are strongly convinced they have more integrity.

    And to toss out the obvious:

    I don’t believe conservatives or liberals are more intelligent, generally, than the other.

    But I do believe liberals are believe zealously, rabidly that they’re more intelligent.

    This lack of accurate self-assessment has caused a great distortion in our current politics. Throughout time, both Republicans and Democrats have resorted to pimping cheap sexual scandals to win elections.

    Throughout time, both Republicans and Democrats have resorted to simplistic-to-the-point-of-dishonesty messaging to win elections.

    Throughout time, both Republicans and Democrats have engaged in embarrassing hypocrisy in excoriating in the other party what the blithely forgive in their own.

    But here’s the thing: Because liberals have far more difficult time admitting to themselves they’re guilty of sins of integrity or honesty or the like, they have convinced themselves that, at least until recently, they’ve been too darn honest, fair, and civil in politics, conducting them with far too much integrity.

    Because, you see — it’s only conservatives who’ve been letting down Team America in these areas for the last forty years.

    Every election the liberals lose, they claim the same basic reasons for losing: We were too nice. We weren’t “tough enough.” We were too honest. We weren’t willing to go into the gutter like the other guys.

    We were too smart for the American people.

    However, they’ve been saying this for the last century. And they were wrong: The whole time they imagined they were being too goshdarn good-spirited, civil, fair, substantive, honest, and intelligent to their electoral detriment, they were actually matching conservatives punch-for-punch in meanspiritedness, incivility, empty slogaeering, dishonesty, and outright stupidity.

    But now they’ve decided the gloves should finally come off.

    Now they’ll really “get tough.”

    Now they’ll actually match conservatives in their nastiness.

    But they’ve been doing that all along. Not that they themselves noticed.

    So what are they doing now?

    Well, quite a few of them seem to be going well beyond the accepted levels of venom, dishonesty, and nastiness in order to “match” conservatives in these areas; not realizing they were already at the same level as conservatives along these lines — let’s say we were both set to 7 — now they’ve turned it up to 11.

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    • elliesmom says:

      I don’t think I have read anything from VDH where he has been quite as depressed as this. I know he was badly injured and is probably in considerable pain. I hope healing can bring him back from edge of the hole of desperation to the we have to do something about this ridge. I would hate to see him throw in the towel for good.

      • 49erDweet says:

        He does have a point. The “beautiful people” of this country have not a clue of the ironic wastefulness and cultural disconnect they’ve foisted on the US. A first world system of free entitlement bestowed without reservation on a majority third world client base. Most likely to assuage their guilt of not allowing that base to share their own neighborhoods.

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    • elliesmom says:

      There are sewing groups organized to share patterns and materials to make homemade “mama pads”. They discuss how to wash them and remove stains. Then you have to sew cases to hold them in to keep the fresh ones clean and neatly bring home the soiled ones. Many women who use them choose to only leave the house for long enough stretches of time they don’t need to change pads. This is supposed to be more “natural” and empowering. Discovering how easy tampons were to use and how much it made having a period just another day was pretty empowering I thought. I prefer tissues to cloth hankies because I’d rather not fill my purse with snot. A bloody used pad multiplies that by a hundred. I thought the “earth mother thing” ended with the birth of disco.

  10. angienc says:

    Is it Tinfoil Hat Tuesday? Good: the gun carriers pictured are not just unreasonable, they’re irresponsible. Open carry means side-arms, etc. Not this showy, meant-to-shock ridiculousness. In fact, it is so over-the-top ridiculous, I suspect these people pictured are paid for plants by the Moms Demand Action group. On Twitter last week when they were making noise about Chipolte, the Chipolte Twitter rep responded with a bland statement to the effect of “”gun control is a serious and sensitive issue. We take no position on it. We only follow the law of the state we are located in” etc. Now these ludicrous pictures which have forced Chipolte to revise their stance and ask gun owners to *not* carry in their stores? A little too coincidental, IMO.

  11. The Klown says:

    Krauthammer: Obama Acts as If He ‘Stumbled Upon the Presidency’:

    • Lulu says:

      His aides are told all of these very important things which supposedly are never passed on to him which they “forget” or deem not important. Then there is Bengazhi which he is told about but isn’t very important so he goes to bed and takes off the next morning to campaign. Is this extreme shallowness and inexperience or “I don’t give a shit”-ism on his part? It appears that if it isn’t something he wants, his contributor’s want, or about him and his very self centered view of the world he really doesn’t give a flying fuck at the moon and is not going to spend any time on it. What does he do all day? Not much.

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  13. 3boxesofbs says:

    I think there are several misconceptions in play here; first there was no ‘political demonstration’ in the store. The people were walking as part of an event and stopped for Lunch. Period. End of Story.

    Second, there was no problem with the store employees or customers. Not one person called the cops, complained to the media. The Moms Demanding Attention have been bullying chains like Chipotle to limit people’s rights since MDA formed.

    The Open Carry Texas people are using the carrying of Rifles to point out the inanity of the law. People can carry handguns concealed but not Openly. They can Openly Carry Rifles and shotguns which are more powerful and have higher capacity — isn’t it a little backwards to say we can’t Openly Carry Pistols?

    Gun owners have a duty of care to use, handle, and store their guns in a safe, responsible manner. Toting loaded rifles and shotguns into a restaurant just to prove you can is not safe or responsible.

    This is the same argument that gun control advocates make about concealed carry. So why is it any different to openly carry firearms than to conceal them as far as acting in a safe and responsible manner?

    Bob S.

  14. mothy67 says:

    Is it a crime to point a loaded gun at a person. I understand you are permitted to carry but are there limits?

    • angienc says:

      It is a crime to threaten another with bodily harm. I think pointing a loaded gun at someone (other than on self-defense/ to stop a criminal activity that person is committing) would qualify

      • Somebody says:

        Yes it is illegal to point a loaded gun at someone, unless it is in self-defense. You’re taught in CCL class that you never, ever pull your weapon unless you intend to use it and the only reason to use it is self-defense. In many conceal carry states it’s illegal for any part of your weapon to show even if it is unintentional. Thankfully Florida recently changed that aspect of their concealed carry law because lots of law abiding citizens were being harassed and fined.

    • lyn says:

      I think it was the self-esteem movement in grade schools that created the special snowflakes. From my days as a reporter in the ’80s, I remember the kids would get into a group and toss a fuzzy thing around. Each student had to give a “warm fuzzy” to whoever caught it: “Cindy is weird but in a good way.”

      • Jadzia says:

        Where did that happen? They did the opposite at the schools I attended in the ’80s. (“Oh, two-years-held-behind Jimmy is picking up one-year-ahead Jadzia and throwing her headfirst into the icy snowbank? Well, little Jadzia, it’s probably because he likes you! You should be nicer.”) Maybe a coastal thing?

  15. Somebody says:

    I don’t know if anybody has shared this yet, what an inspirational young man.

  16. DeniseVB says:

    I doubt this is a good campaign strategy if one of the largest Army bases in the world is in your district……

  17. helenk3 says:


    china signs non-dollar settlement deal with Russia’s largest bank.

    that does not sound good for us

  18. foxyladi14 says:

    He still can’t pitch. 😆

  19. helenk3 says:


    WOW and it only took them almost 6 years to figure that out.

  20. The Klown says:

    All this time I thought you were supposed to EAT that that stuff.

    • mothy67 says:

      I LOVE celery. Swath it in peanut butter or cream cheese. Yummy. Then again I grew up thinking thete was something called coffee soup. Saltine crackers bathed in sweet cofee and milk. Did not go to sleep hungry so in the end not so bad.

    • 49erDweet says:

      ROFL for 15 minutes. Best 2014 comment yet!! Can’t.get.image.out.of.brain!

      • mothy67 says:

        This is why i do no get cries of poverty. I han an outhose when I was a kid We used a bucket when itt was too cold. I had no tv no washer no dryer. Carpenter ants were eating the walls of my home. In 10th grade I would march on my clothes in the bath tub and then iron them dry. I do not nor did I ever see myself as poor. Always loved Dolly as i think she can speak my language.

  21. DeniseVB says:

    “Fun” facts about the Koch Brothers from WaPo which I found interesting but the fun part’s in the comments, “they’re still rich and evil” 😀


  22. The Klown says:

    WATCH AND WEEP FOR OUR FUTURE: Final Exam: College Students Asked About Benghazi:

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    Killer Klown Prank!:

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  25. helenk3 says:


    berkeley reaches out to vets–it is a trap

    My personal opinion is Berkeley should go screw themselves

  26. helenk3 says:


    ever get the feeling that the mexican drug cartel must have contributed a whole hell of a lot to backtrack.
    he does more to benefit them than he does for American citizens

  27. John Denney says:

    “But the right to keep and bear arms is not absolute. If it were, people could own machine guns, howitzers and rocket launchers.”
    I’m pretty sure it used to be that cannons were personal property of those who could afford them. You know – civil war cannons out on peoples lawns.
    If the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to enable the People to defend against tyranny, isn’t forbidding any weapons an infringement?

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