Klown Musings: Rape, Terrorism and Due Process of Law


(Just a short one today)

What do Hillary Clinton defending a child-rapist forty years ago and the arrest this week of the Benghazi Squirrel have in common? They were both in the news this week and they both provoked reactions from people who think the rule of law is optional.

I know that I harp on the rule of law quite a bit. Maybe it’s just a lawyer thing but I really believe in it. That’s because I think that the rule of law is one of the essential pillars of our freedom.

Terrorism and rape (especially child-rape) are heinous crimes but neither is an existential threat to our nation. We can go after terrorists and rapists without abandoning the rule of law.

When the administration announced the arrest of Ahmed Abu Khattala. the alleged leader of the attack on our facilities in Benghazi that claimed the lives of Chris Stevens and three other Americans, some people objected to bringing him back here for trial. They said that Khattala wasn’t a criminal, he was an “unlawful combatant” and that he should be taken straight to Gitmo and interrogated (tortured) without reading him his rights or allowing him an attorney.

They say that terrorists don’t have any rights. I say bullshit.

We only “know” that Ahmed Abu Khattala is a terrorist because the government says he is. While he has given numerous media interviews the past two years to the best of my knowledge he has never admitted to leading or participating in the attack that killed our people.

His guilt has not been adjudicated.

What if he’s innocent? What if he is just some local Libyan nutball looking for attention? What is the evidence against him? I wasn’t there, were you?

I have tried to avoid getting tangled up in the weeds on this latest story involving Hillary Clinton defending a man accused of taking part in the gang-rape of a 12 year old girl. But I have defended scumbags before.

Television lawyers like Perry Mason and Ben Matlock were extremely fortunate to get nothing but innocent clients. I wasn’t so lucky. Most of my clients were guilty – but not necessarily of the crimes they were charged with.

Criminal defendants are entitled to “effective assistance of counsel”. A defense attorney who dumptrucks his/her clients is not very effective. Even when you know your client is factually guilty you are still supposed to defend his rights.

That upsets a lot of people. But let me tell you something about those people that I learned from first-hand experience – when they get arrested they become fanatics about the civil rights of criminal defendants.

In every single community in America there is at least one criminal defense attorney that all the cops hate. They get called all kinds of nasty names from law enforcement officers.

But if that cop or his wife or his kid get arrested, guess which attorney they call?

We do not want to make it easy to put people in prison if we value freedom and justice. That is why our Founding Fathers created a system with a presumption of innocence and a high burden of proof on the prosecution.

We can survive a few bad guys getting away with heinous crimes. That is part of the price we pay for freedom.

Let me put that another way – would you trust Obama with absolute power over your life?

I accuse . . . YOU!

I accuse . . . YOU!

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115 Responses to Klown Musings: Rape, Terrorism and Due Process of Law

  1. DeniseVB says:

    I read where Hillary’s rape case came out during the 2008 primaries ? I don’t remember it, or how it wasn’t as big a deal as it is now. Maybe I was just blinded by Obama’s shiny, sparkly rainbow promises of Utopia ? Or, they promised her they wouldn’t make it a big deal if she slowly backed away to give Obama his Messiah opportunity ?

    I do know they’re fighting back over her Palin comment, via Sooper…..


    Yes, the Dems will destroy her again.

    • 1539days says:

      I actually got information from MSNBC by accident this morning. They had a guy on who worked for Hillary in the primaries and Obama in the general. He pointed out that one difference in the campaigns was that Hillary Clinton was considered responsible for everything any supporter of hers said. Part of the war room was set up just to explain other people’s misstatements.

      However, in the Obama campaign, he gave the example of Charlie Rangel calling Sarah Palin mentally deficient. The guy called the Obama campaign to get them to distance themselves from Rangel. The Obama war room couldn’t care less and said the media wasn’t going to make a big deal out of it. The liberal media didn’t.

    • Mary says:

      It’s David Plouffe. He’s one of the biggest liars in Washington.

      Don’t believe a word he says.

    • 49erDweet says:

      The only problematic thing in the HRC rape defense was the muffled laughter, afterwards. IOW, forget it.

  2. 1539days says:

    Mike Rowe never did lawyer as a Dirty Job, even though it can get pretty bad.

    As a practical matter, letting the state get away with railroading someone tends to make them more confident in railroading everybody. That’s why we have things like Miranda rights. In fact, even though Miranda had that arrest thrown out, he still served jail time for other charges. Klown is right when he talks about clients being guilty of some things, but not every thing on a prosecutor’s laundry list.

    Personally, I don’t give a crap about terrorists that are not American citizens. I consider nothing that happened in Gitmo torture. George Will once pointed out the irony about citing the Geneva Convention when it still said you can put a bullet in your enemy’s head as long as you don’t move them off the battlefield. However, as a matter of our law, we only have certain allowances when there’s a declaration of war and we haven’t done that in a long time.

  3. gumsnapper says:

    Or, if you’re Obama, you can just assassinate an American citizen and his 16 year old son without any inconvenient due process i.e. Al-Awlaki.

    • The Klown says:

      I’m not even sure if what al-Awlaki allegedly did even qualifies as a crime. He preached against the United States. That’s legal.

      • gumsnapper says:

        If you want to flummox obots, mention al-Awlaki to them.

      • 1539days says:

        I used to say that under Obama’s al-Awlaki rule, Bush had the right to order a drone strike against the Dixie Chicks when they were in England.

      • lyn says:

        When our government starts defining what a “terrorist” is or what a “journalist” is, then we’ve got a problem.

      • Propertius says:

        He preached against the United States. That’s legal.

        As long as your name is “Jeremiah Wright”. Or should we expect an imminent drone strike on Trinity United?

        Until shortly before his assassination, er, extrajudicial execution, er “targeted killing”, you could buy tapes of al-Awlaki’s sermons on freaking Amazon.

        Let’s also not forget that al-Awlaki’s son (against whom there have never even been any allegations of terrorism) was droned while at a barbecue with friends (8 of whom were also killed in the attack).

    • lyn says:

      ^This^ still pisses me off that Obama got away with it.

      • leslie says:

        Ditto, lyn. right now he’s on “Face The Nation” and I’m grinding my teeth and clenching my jaws. I honestly cannot abide the man, his voice, his smirks and his lies. His followers are just as bad – worse even because they are consciously making the decision to support a liar and an evil human.

    • Mary says:

      Even worse, there was another young American citizen riding in the same vehicle as Alawki when he was killed—-his only crime, that we know of, was being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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    Imagine if Oprah did that for a male audience – “You’re all getting a HOOKER!

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  7. lildoggy4u says:

    I suppose everybody has seen Joe Biden 2016 step in it while attempting to fix (influence) the influx of illegal immigration in Central America. http://tinyurl.com/pnof2cd

  8. lildoggy4u says:

    I picked this up from a commenter on another site so I don’t know if what is stated is factual or not but here it is:
    A TRUE STORY ABOUT GEN McChrystal’s resignation in Obama’s office, Worth reading from Gen McChrystal’s book!

    NEVER STAND IN LINE AGAIN (Gen. Stanley McChrystal)

    Some men carry and handle their diplomacy better than others……..

    When former U.S. Military commander in Afghanistan, Stanley McChrystal, was called into the Oval Office by Barack Obama, he knew things weren’t going to go well when the President accused him of not supporting him in his political role as President.

    “It’s not my job to support you as a politician, Mr. President, it’s my job to support you as Commander-in-Chief,” McChrystal replied, and he handed Obama his resignation.

    Not satisfied with accepting McChrystal’s resignation the President made a cheap parting shot. “I bet when I die you’ll be happy to pee on my grave.”
    The General saluted. “Mr. President, I always told myself after leaving the Army I’d never stand in line again.”

  9. lildoggy4u says:

    Should that be commentater? commentator?

  10. DeniseVB says:

    Another fine rant by Greta on her FB page, which I shared with the TCH page because she always does so well on our page 🙂 She hammers the sloppy media coverage of Walker and Hillary this past week, it’s really a refreshing read. Now makes me wonder who dragged out that poor “anonymous” rape victim to slander HRC ?

  11. Mary says:

    New Gallup poll reinforces the NBC/WSJ poll about The One’s favorability:

    George W. Bush favorability is 6 points higher than Barak Obama’s:
    Bush 53%
    Obama 47%

  12. Constance says:

    “What if he’s innocent? What if he is just some local Libyan nutball looking for attention? What is the evidence against him? I wasn’t there, were you?”

    No, I wasn’t there and I have no idea what happened in Benghazi. What baffles me is The Obama regime are political hacks and they value their own power over American legal traditions. So I can’t believe they didn’t immediately round up a bunch of Libyan nutballs and hang them or put them in a dark hole for the rest of their natural lives and then claim they had the situation under control. Why did they arrest one guy two years later. It’s like the Obama regime has no clue that they have an image of being sloppy with support of American safety.

    Seriously we have all seen the pictures of multiple men fighting around the Benghazi American headquarters while they burned so are we supposed to be impressed by arresting one guy 2 years late? I’m not and it just reinforces my belief that the men who carried out the attack were foreign military which still doesn’t answer why the Obots didn’t round up a bunch of nutballs and hang them immediately and then claim they had dealt with the situation…nothing more to see here.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I still want to know where Obama was that night and who gave the stand down order. All these other squirrels are just trying to keep our eyes off those balls 🙂

      • Constance says:

        I want to know the answers to those questions too. I think Benghazi was a planned kidnapping by Egyptian military and the Obama regime for an excuse to trade the blind guy and other Muslim prisoners for our Ambassador but the plan turned to shit and four Americans were killed. At least I believe it was carried out by foreign military and the reason we haven’t gone after any of them is because it would create a international incident with our “Muslim friends”.

      • trixta says:

        I agree, DeniseVB! I’d like to know who was responsible for what and more about the CIA’s off-the-books gun running project (whose idea was that?). Also, the compound was attacked right after the Turkish ambassador left the premises.

  13. elliesmom says:

    Just a little Sunday morning reflection. Six years ago I would have spent this morning with the TV tuned to the talking heads while the DVR was saving others for later. I would have Sunday edition of the Boston Globe on the table for reading at my leisure. I would have a toasted everything bagel with cream cheese and my tea iced because it’s summer. Today the TV is silent, the DVR is in its resting mode, I don’t even know who the current talking heads other George Will apparently isn’t one of them anymore. The Boston Globe has stopped calling me to offer me any subscription deals after the last rant at the sweet young thing on the phone. I do have a bagel and some iced tea.
    It’s not that I care any less than I did. I just would rather listen to music than lies.

  14. SHV says:

    I haven’t voluntarily watched TV news or Sunday talking head shows since 2008. I used to get a Sunday NYT but stopped that habit after Cheney and Rumsfeld waved the “above the fold”Judith Miller Iraq WMD stories on Sunday TV.

    • The Klown says:

      I quit watching television news about the time of the le affaire Lewinsky.

    • leslie says:

      This is when I stopped reading the NYT for that same reason. I have a neighbor who drops her Sunday NYT at my door. I immediately take it to the recycling box outside my back door as soon as I see it. She thinks she is being generous and she is… but to the wrong neighbor.

      • The Klown says:

        I used to read all the national, state and local political news in the SF Chron and the Merced Sun-Star.

        Now I just read the sports page and crime news online for free.

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  18. foxyladi14 says:

    The print got so small Couldn’t read it so cancelled . 🙂

  19. The Klown says:

    Well this is certainly on-topic:

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    My neighbor gave me some plums that are so juicy I have to lean over the sink when I bite into them.

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    The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) cancelled its longtime relationship with an email-storage contractor just weeks after ex-IRS official Lois Lerner’s computer crashed and shortly before other IRS officials’ computers allegedly crashed.

    The IRS signed a contract with Sonasoft, an email-archiving company based in San Jose, California, each year from 2005 to 2010. The company, which partners with Microsoft and counts The New York Times among its clients, claims in its company slogans that it provides “Email Archiving Done Right” and “Point-Click Recovery.” Sonasoft in 2009 tweeted, “If the IRS uses Sonasoft products to backup their servers why wouldn’t you choose them to protect your servers?”

    Sonasoft was providing “automatic data processing” services for the IRS throughout the January 2009 to April 2011 period in which Lerner sent her missing emails.

    But Sonasoft’s six-year business relationship with the IRS came to an abrupt end at the close of fiscal year 2011, as congressional investigators began looking into the IRS conservative targeting scandal and IRS employees’ computers started crashing left and right.

    Sonasoft’s fiscal year 2011 contract with the IRS ended on August 31, 2011. Eight days later, the IRS officially closed out its relationship with Sonasoft in accordance with the federal government’s contract close-out guidelines, which require agencies to fully audit their contracts and to get back any money that wasn’t used by the contractor. Curiously, the IRS de-allocated 36 cents when it closed out its contract with Sonasoft on September 8, 2011.

    Lois Lerner’s computer allegedly crashed in June 2011, just ten days after House Ways and Means Committee chairman Rep. Dave Camp first wrote a letter asking if the IRS was engaging in targeting of nonprofit groups. Two months later, Sonasoft’s contract ended and the IRS gave its email-archiving contractor the boot.

    IRS official and frequent White House visitor Nikole Flax allegedly suffered her own computer crash in December 2011, three months after the IRS ended its relationship with Sonasoft.

    These aren’t the droids you’re looking for.

  25. 1539days says:

    Apparently, Crazy Lawrence O’Donnell is returning to MSNBC after recovering for the last 2 months from a car accident. I should have known when I didn’t hear about him saying something nasty about Republicans for a while.


  26. fernschild says:

    The case that Hillary took so many years ago is still relevant for multiple reasons, not the least of which is that we haven’t progressed very far in evaluating work performance based on gender. I would say that critics of Hillary’s favour to the prosecutor base part of their concern on the fact that she was a woman defending a man accused of raping a female child. I believe we still judge a woman more harshly for doing what’s necessary to progress in her career than we judge a man. Defending only pleasant and sympathetic individuals might be a premise for a tv show but it has nothing to do with real life.

  27. The Klown says:

    When a Republican says something like that they call it racist hate speech.

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  29. threewickets says:

    Benghazi video was Obama’s idea.

    “Hillary was stunned when she heard the president talk about the Benghazi attack,” one of her top legal advisers said in an interview. “Obama wanted her to say that the attack had been a spontaneous demonstration triggered by an obscure video on the Internet that demeaned the Prophet Mohammed.”

    This adviser continued: “Hillary told Obama, ‘Mr. President, that story isn’t credible. Among other things, it ignores the fact that the attack occurred on 9/11.’ But the president was adamant. He said, ‘Hillary, I need you to put out a State Department release as soon as possible.’”

  30. The Klown says:

    My sister’s FIL died today. He was 85 and had been sick for several months. Rest in peace, Dave.

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