Here We Go Again


I have literally been watching this Israel vs. the Palestinians and Arabs drama play out the same basic script over and over and over my entire life. This current burst of activity is just the latest installment.

What kind of savages use their own women and children as human shields?

This is an open thread.

Happy Caturday.


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125 Responses to Here We Go Again

  1. Before anybody says it. Megan Kelley’s hair looks fine. She’s beautiful plus a great mind and interviewer, I’d like to see her host a Presidential Debate instead of Candy Crowley (Obama’s lil’ helper)

    • Constance says:

      I keep trying to like Candy Crowley but I just can’t watch her.

      I get a kick out of Megyn’s new hair because that is my “wet hair drying” style but it sure doesn’t look good on me and I wouldn’t wear it in public. Maybe I should try it with full kabuki makeup, oh wait I don’t wear makeup just black framed glasses. Megyn is beautiful and smart, very easy to watch.

      • Constance says:

        Hey! ABC family is having Potterhead weekend and Draco Malfoy has “Megyn hair” in Chamber of Secrets! He even has the widows peak!

    • The Klown says:

      The Democrats will never agree to let Fox do a presidential debate, but she may host a GOP primary debate.

  2. DeniseVB says:

    True story:

  3. I found this article at GayPatriot. You gotta read it to believe it. http://tinyurl.com/mkwwhh6

  4. swanspirit says:

    When the understanding is reached, that nothing less than Jewish extermination is the ultimate goal of the “Palestinian ” conflict , then perhaps people will understand why it will not end .
    Until you have sat with an Arab who was flirting with you while you were giving nursing care to his father ; who was then the Minister Of Communications of Saudi Arabia , and have them look you in the eye and say “In five years there will be no Israel ” reassuringly ,( because you happen to have blonde hair and blue eyes and they have no idea you might have a Jewish father ) you might not understand . Until you you know in your soul that a certain group of people wish for nothing less than the eradication of you , your family , their culture their history and their existence on the planet, you might not understand .

  5. Constance says:

    It is appalling to use women and children as human shields in war (Arabs). But you (Jews)can’t expect to move into an already occupied territory and take over declaring that God gave you the land thousands of years ago because you and only you are Gods chosen people, and expect everyone to like you and recognize your claim. I think Arabs feel that they are in touch with God too and they didn’t receive the same message. Maybe if they get really lucky they can come to some sort of truce like the USA government and the Native Americans. It would be nice if both cultures could find a way to flourish.

    • 49erDweet says:

      Facts are hard. Fables are easy. The facts are the claim was initiated by…….wait for it…….The United Nations, in partial reparations and guilt for the Holocaust. The land was sparsely occupied and the locals unorganized. Israel took in and accepted the locals, organized a government, and gave Arab and Jew alike, similar rights. Neighboring Arab governments belated objected but it was done. Thus began the conflict. None of the current occupants of Gaza, or their parents, were there when this went down. They have been placed there since then by Arab governments as agent provocateurs. It is Kabuchi Theater but deadly. “Palestinians”, unlike Native Americans, don’t want the absence of war. You have been fed a long standing media lie if you think it could happen.

      • 49erDweet says:

        My late mother and I had this same discussion as it was happening. She graciously believed all people wanted peace. I had been stationed in the deep south in the early 1960s, experienced full blown racism, and knew she was wrong. She died thinking I was wrong and peace was just around the corner. In 1978.

      • Lauren says:

        Excellent point,spot on.

      • Constance says:

        I do believe there is evil in the world and I believe The Powers That Be act in their own best interest and don’t understand the concept of “the common good”.

        But just telling other people that you are Gods favorites is arrogant and asking for a fight. The Europeans took over America because it was sparsely populated and according to their standards had no real government. But they were wrong. Turns out the human population was in balance with nature and the people who lived here had a culture and a government and were happy with it.

        • WMCB says:

          Israel now operates similar to a reservation for the Jews. How about I demand that Native American reservations allow however many euro-descent people as want to to immigrate there, and that they cease having an “apartheid state” by making sure that actual native americans maintain control of their govt and lands? I will demand that they strike all language from their governing documents that refers to “The Cherokee nation” or whatever, because that’s racist apartheid. Requiring Native American blood or heritage for anything at all is RACIST.

          How long do you think they they, as a distinct people, would last? How soon would they be overwhelmed? Oh, now let’s add in the supposition that the surrounding states HATE them, and openly preach, publicly and on the airwaves, their heartfelt desire to see every last fucking Native American exterminated from the face of the earth. Openly.

          How long would the tribe last, Constance, if they did what was demanded of them? How soon would they cease to exist? Please tell me.

          • Constance says:

            Here is the problem I see. Did anyone get a buy-in from the population that inhabited Israel before there was Israel? Apparently not and those people who might have been a sparse population and probably had a tribal government with zero impressive government buildings, resent what they see as new-comers on their historical property. Did the people who granted the land of Israel to Israel have the right to give away that specific property? When you buy a piece of property that is the first thing the agent deals with….do you have the right to sell this specific piece of property, and if so prove it. People in that part of the world hold grudges for thousands of years and this is a well known fact that should not surprise anyone. So now what can be done to bring about peace? I think we can assume the status quo isn’t working. Maybe they could have self governing Palestinian reservations inside Israel like our Indian reservations. The reservations in the USA came from negotiations between the USA and First Nations not negotiations with a the USA and a self appointed proxy for the First Nations. If they want a solution then all sides need to examine their behavior. Both sides need to curb their extremists. It is likely not constructive to inform people that your people are Gods favorites. Talking about situations that existed several thousand years ago probably isn’t constructive. And just because I have some sympathy with Palestinians doesn’t mean I think Jews shouldn’t defend themselves. In fact I admire the way they are fighting. But acting like every Arab won’t rest until every Jew is dead and there are zero valid points in the Arab way of thinking will not lead to peace.

        • WMCB says:

          Much of the land that some reservations sit on was not even the original land of their tribe. So, we are entirely justified in kicking them off, right? I mean, TPTB put them there and gave it to them, drew the borders, it was never their land! It really belonged to some other tribe.

          Don’t bother saying that if you do that they have nowhere else to go. They can do like many say the Israelis can do: just go disperse and live wherever. If that results in the eventual eradication of their people and culture, oh well.

          • Constance says:

            It is an imperfect solution. If you only will accept a solution that is perfect then there isn’t a lot of hope.

    • WMCB says:

      First of all, there were both Jews and Arabs there all along.

      Ask yourself: Of the huge swathes of land that used to be “Palestine”, most of which is actually in Syria and Jordan, why do they ONLY seek to “reclaim” the tiny little sliver that is Israel?

      It’s not about the land. They lie about that. It’s about the Jews.

    • angienc says:

      Um, technically the rest of the civilized world recognized the Jewish people’s claim to that territory — including the US on May 14, 1948. Now there is a lot of complexity around the formation of the state of Israel after WW2, etc., but pretending the Jews just went there and “took over” based on nothing more than “God’s promise” is dishonest.

      • Lauren says:

        Exactly. That’s how the left attempts to re-write history for us.

      • Constance says:

        Then on what basis did they take over? If The Powers That Be in the UN felt guilty about world war 2 then they should have given the Jews a piece of land from the people who caused the war. Like a chunk of Germany. Who decided to put up the land that is now Israel?

        Because it seems much like if China and Russia had a war and slaughtered civilians on one side and then decided to make it up to the losing side by giving them Alaska which is sparsely populated and doesn’t have an effective communist/socialist government therefore they “don’t have a government”. I’m guessing the few people who live in Alaska would feel violated and put up a fight.

        • WMCB says:

          Um, the Arab states made alliances with Hitler. THEY were “on the losing side”. This is not something unique to Israel. In every large war in history, borders shift, and control of a territory is usually handed over to whatever residents supported the winners, not the losers. In Israel’s case, that was the Jews (who were ALREADY livng there, and had been for centuries.)

          Again, borders have shifted for centuries, all over the world. Are we supposed to now go back and try to figure out where all the original borders were, or just for the Jews?

          And you have yet to answer my question as to WHY the Palestinians are not concerned about the 90% of their former “homeland” that was “stolen” by Syria and Jordan – only about the tiny bit that is Israel.

        • angienc says:

          Your questions are largely irrelevant as to *who* decided what and come from an obviously anti-Semitic POV. It happened. The Syrians (now calling themselves Palestinians) only caused a fuss about it AFTER the fact.
          All I’m pointing out is that you are dishonest to pretend it happened based on “God’s promise” — you can’t accept that and so therefore don’t address it & instead make up b.s. hypos about China & Russia to deflect.

          • Constance says:

            Please stop telling me I am anti Semitic. It reminds me of Obots calling people racist. I once had a Jewish boyfriend who accused me of being anti-Semitic because I told him to stop dropping his towel on the bathroom floor and hang it up. There is real antisemitism in the world and it is a shame.

        • angienc says:

          I’ll stop telling you that you are anti-Semitic when you stop spewing anti-Semitic shit all over the place.

      • Constance says:

        When you sell or give away a piece of property the first thing your real-estate agent will do is determine if you have the right to sell or give away the property. When you buy a house your agent will determine if the seller has the right to sell the property and then you will buy a title insurance policy so that you won’t lose money if it turns out the title wasn’t clear. Did the people who approved the creation of Israel have the right to give or sell that land? The original inhabitants say “no”, that doesn’t mean they are right but the question should be settled if peace is desired. That doesn’t mean the Jews shouldn’t defend themselves….that is a separate issue.

    • lildoggy4u says:

      I hope that was sarcasm. The Native Americans hardly flourished. That is, until casinos came along. But the tribes had been decimated long before and their land is long gone.

  6. WMCB says:

    Hubby is reading an article on 50 little known uses for WD-40 (of which he is already a fan.)
    He just exclaimed “That’s it, this stuff is GOD’S SPIT, thats what it is.”
    Like

  7. 1539days says:

    I think a lot of this goes back to oil. Many of these Arab “countries” whose trial borders were hacked up by Europe got a lot of money very fast. Instead of having to develop capitalism and democracy, royal families now had the means to pacify any dissent and prevent any of the democratic revolutions that happened in the western world.

    Then there’s the thing I call political Islam. This is where Muslim countries have lousy economic conditions for their people and the dictators in those countries figured that blaming the Jews worked for Hitler. Now there’s a divine right of Muslims to take over the world. Islam has always been pretty unforgiving toward heretics and it distracts the people from the cruel leadership they should be fighting.

    • lyn says:

      Awesome observation!

    • Lauren says:

      “Then there’s the thing I call political Islam.”
      How right you are: The cornerstone of political Islam is anti-semitism.

    • Constance says:

      Interesting, and don’t forget the military industrial complex who keep selling weapons and ammo to both sides and profit from continued war.

  8. Lauren says:

    If the Arabs wanted peace there would be peace in the Middle East , period.

    De-lurking after 6 years. I love this blog and am so greatful to everyone who contributes here.
    Thank-you Klown!

    • WMCB says:

      Welcome, Lauren! And you’re right. My support for Israel is not blanket approval of everything they do. But it’s very obvious that the Arab world does not want peace, other than as a propoganda stepping stone to driving out the Jews entirely.

      So until you can point me to multiple public Jewish broadcasts and writings calling for the extermination of every Arab on the planet, like you can for the Arabs, I’m falling on the side of “existential threat against Jews is quite real”.

      • Locked-N-Loaded says:

        *This*

        • WMCB says:

          Does Israel at times react quite brutally to that existential threat? Yep. But until I am facing being wiped out entirely, Imma gonna hold off on too loudly condemning.

          • Lauren says:

            Israel is damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
            Nothing that Israel has done compares to the brutality of the Palestinians and their 60 year campaign of terror against Israel and all Jews. In addition to a real existential threat, there is the threat of the destruction of the only democracy in the Middle East and that is a dangerous sonario for the entire region.

          • WMCB says:

            The irony is that by spending years condeming Israel if they sneezed wrong, while ignoring the brutality of the Palestinians, the media and the Palestine supporters have created a situation where Israel has nothing to lose.

            I mean, if the rest of the world is going to condemn you no matter HOW restrained you try to be, might as well go on and be brutal, then. They’re going to call you the devil regardless, so why not?

          • Lauren says:

            Does the concept “Never Again” ring a bell?

          • WMCB says:

            That’s what I mean, Lauren. I haven’t faced extinction of my people. No, that doesn’t mean I give carte blance approval to anything any Jewish group does. I don’t tend to be a vicarious-guilt driven person at all. But I’m not going to condemn ANY tribe or group for fighting to maintain their damn existence as a distinct people.

          • Lauren says:

            The world has condemmed the Jews as the devil and worse(Christ killers) throughout history. The progressive left wing media for decades have supported the myth of Palistinian victim-hood and Israel as the oppressor (sound familiar?).
            Just imagine a middle East without Israel and the humanitarian,scientific,agricultural,artistic, culturial, and democratic ideals and contributions of the Jews.
            Sharia anyone?

      • Somebody says:

        The Arabs don’t want peace? Wait, what?? Why I thought Islam was the religion of peace, shocking!

      • Constance says:

        The most ultimate extreme Arabs don’t speak for all Palestinians. But it is true that the Palestinians need to do a far better job of controlling their extremists.

  9. Lauren says:

    My I please be released from moderation?
    I never comment. I lurk, therefore I am.

  10. The Klown says:
  11. WMCB says:

    This would be a good time to repost this excellent video:

    • Lauren says:

      🙂

    • Constance says:

      I am sure there are some Palestinian lies and I am sure there are some valid points. If you want peace it likely isn’t helpful to try to cast all Arabs as extremists.

  12. Falstaff says:

    Israel’s 1967 occupation of the West Bank and Jerusalem left it with four basic options: annex the whole thing and make everyone in the territories an Israeli citizen, annex the whole thing and drive out all of the Arabs, permit the formation of a non-Jewish Palestinian state in the occupied territories, or continue the occupation indefinitely. The first two are “single state” options that have relatively little political support in Israel: option one would lead to a non-Jewish state, option two is “ethnic cleansing” that has support on the far right but would make Israel even more despised than it is now. Option three looked inevitable 20 years ago, but is now opposed by most Israelis and Palestinians because neither side wants to make serous concessions (status of Jerusalem, right of return, status of settlements,water rights, etc.). So we are left with option four (albeit with piecemeal annexation of select areas via settlements). The situation will not end within the lifetime of anyone reading this blog. Further discussion of it is probably a waste of time. (I ignore the status of Gaza, wich sort of amounted to option three, but the real issue is the West Bank-Jerusalem.)

    • Lauren says:

      Er um, you mentioned “ethnic cleansing” as option 2 for Israelis? 6 million were ethnicly cleansed. You’re kidding right? The far right in Israel is now the source of world wide anti-semitism and Jews being despised? You think a tiny minority in the Kinesset dictates Israeli policy? Israel has not made concessions?
      Jerusalem’s infrastructure was in shammbles,sewage in the streets,unpaved roads, pollution,trash rotting in the streets,decrepit plummbing and a lack of safe drinking running water and electricity, churches and holy places in disrepair,lack of schools and medical facilites until the Israelis restored it.
      You’re right. Further discussion of this issue(good vs. evil) is a waste of time with you.

      • Falstaff says:

        Option 2 involves the wholesale forced relocation of non-Jews from the West Bank and Jerusalem. That surely counts as “ethnic cleansing” as most people use the term. Very few in Israel (apart from some very fringe types on the far right) are interested in it, for the obvious reasons.

        • Lauren says:

          Then why bother to bring it up? And no,it doesn’t count because it’s not relavent is it? Because Jews don’t ethnicly cleanse and you know that you bone-headed troll. And now you are the expert on the use of the term ethnic cleansing and how MOST people use it ? And the far right are interested for “obvious reasons”???? I suggest you go back to reading your Koran.
          Your Jew hatred is showing you ignorant bigot.

          • WMCB says:

            I don’t think Falstaff hates Jews. I understand this is a stressful time, but save your fire for those who do, please.

          • Falstaff says:

            Please. I said *very few* are interested in it. And the obvious reason for the lack of interest is that it would be a very inhumane exercise that would do great damage to Israel’s reputation. Reading comprehension is evidently not one of your skills. As ever, discussion of this issue goes nowhere at the speed of light. Enough, already.

          • Constance says:

            Really, make your arguments but stop calling people names.

          • angienc says:

            Flastaff is for sure a troll & ignorant as the day is long but I doubt he’s Muslim — he’s most likely just an internet atheist

    • Lauren says:

      My reading comprehension is just fine. I comprehend your use of the word “occupation” pretaining to Israels presence in the West Bank as an example of the false narritive perpetuated by the vile progs,left wing media and Pro-Palistinian terrorist supporters. I wonder who started that war in 1967? Its so interesting that the terms “aparthied” and “occupiers” are used to misrepresent and degrade Israel so that the world will “dispise” the Jews. Perhaps you may want to check out your own reading comprehension skills as you obviously misread/misunderstood the history of the region and are unable to seperate propaganda from truth.

  13. DandyTIger says:

    Ever notice how if you scratch a vile prog, you often get a bigot and an anti-semite? OWS comes to mind as does all the race bating and always assuming everything is about race. Odd sort those.

  14. SHV says:

    ” you often get a bigot and an anti-semite”
    *****
    The most perplexing are the “progressive” Jews who are rabidly anti-Israel (anti-semites).

    • Lauren says:

      So true. Many Jews are liberal/ progressive Democrats and have towed the party line without thinking for themselves. They are misguided. Some are “self-haters” Many are coming around and have seen the light.
      I attended a bridal shower last weekend and I sat next to a 91 yr. old Jewish women who was sharp as a tack.Someone brought up Obama and she shot back that any Jew in America that voted for(or supports) Obama is either out of their mind or in complete denial.”Obama doesn’t give a s–t about Israel or the Jewish people in our country.”

    • Somebody says:

      That’s the truth about the progressive American Jews, I don’t get them at all. I have a former friend that fits into that category, rabid obot she is. In fact she’s literally a paid internet troll, or at least she was, we haven’t spoken in over a year. She has family in Israel, yet remained a rabid obot in 2012…..I still don’t get it.

      • Lauren says:

        I know what you mean,it’s sad and perplexing; koolaide is a helluva drug though.
        But OTOH I have many Jewish friends and know many families that support Israel and have left the Democratic Party for good. I live in Los Angeles,(a city that has the 3rd largest Jewish population in the world). Many Jews in the “entertainment industry” are influenced/support the vile prog agenda and Obama. May be an identity thing, they wanna be aligned the cool progressive hip Hollywood crowd. They have lost their way IMHO.

  15. Kathy says:

    Me either. My husband is Jewish and his family for eons back we’re dems. I was until 08. It’s becoming harder for him every day. He shakes his head a lot now and says that isn’t right a lot more. He would vote for Hillary in a second, but Obama –no.

  16. Kathy says:

    The incompetence is so glaring that people I know are stunned, and that includes afew bots.

  17. swanspirit says:

    We have such enormous resources at our fingertips . The history of Israel , and the “palestinian ” conflict is readily available . I thought it was a widely known fact that the Arabs collaborated with the Nazis , recruited for the SS ; and even tried to set up a concentration camp of their own.

    If The Grand Mufti, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini , had not refused to accept Jews from Germany when Hitler wanted to relocate them to the Middle East , before they came up with the Final Solution ( with the help of the Grand Mufti ), the slaughter of millions of Jews might have been avoided .

    Back in the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Husseini submitted to the Nazi German Government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing a clause:
    Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (völkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy.[151]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini

  18. Kathy says:

    Plus, and I promise to shut up, we watch Fox News now and that never would have happened before. Going out with daughter soon for his 70th bd. dinner.

  19. SHV says:

    ” any Jew in America that voted for(or supports) Obama is either out of their mind or in complete denial.”
    ******
    Perhaps 30-40 years ago, there may have been a possibility of a two state “solution” but now, perhaps even then, for the Muslim world, the only solution is the “final” solution. Even so-called moderate Muslim leaders say very different things in English vs Arabic or their native language re- the fate of Jews in the Middle East.

    • WMCB says:

      Exactly. Are there a minority of sane Arab leaders who genuinely want peace? Sure. But a) they’re a minority, and b) if push comes to shove, they’ll let the genocide that the mobs want to happen, happen, before betraying their own.

    • Lauren says:

      Agreed. I was very optimistic in the 1970’s and excited by Sadat’s historical visit to Israel. We wanted nothing but peace. It was a dream some of us had…..

  20. WMCB says:

    Israel is warning civilians in certain areas of Gaza to evacuate. Hamas is telling them not to. It’s deliberate. Hamas WANTS civilian casualties. It makes for great propaganda.

  21. DeniseVB says:

  22. The Klown says:
  23. The Klown says:

    It is Saturday night and I am a single adult. So what am I doing?

    I am watching Frozen on Starz.

  24. WMCB says:

    There is weird shit of every variety on Twitter. Some is just bad, and some is oddly fascinating if from nothing other than a sociological curiousity standpoint. I mosey around looking in on everyone from garden variety weirdos to techno-futurists to tinfoil hatters to metaphysical utilitarians.

    People are freaky as shit, but they’re interesting. 🙂

  25. Lulu says:

    I knew the media and Dems had been awfully quiet about the border implosion. The usual suspects are not uttering a peep. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/border-crisis-scrambling-the-politics-of-immigration-policy/2014/07/12/78b6ab16-0920-11e4-8a6a-19355c7e870a_story.html?hpid=z1
    “And the president’s own party is deeply divided over what must be done now — particularly on the sensitive question of deporting children…..” Really? When did this happen? We were led to believe they were all just happy as hell about no border existing.

    “But O’Rourke added that he has been surprised by the anger he has heard toward the immigrants from MANY of his El Paso constituents, who “feel like we can’t take care of everyone, and these children and their families are gaming the system.” El Paso is about as Hispanic AND Democratic as you can get in an area. But O’Rourke must be getting furious push back from his constituents to dare mention this as they know the score living on the border. So the party is deeply divided because Bronco has made another political miscalculation and created a mess with their constituents. Democratic constituencies who make up parts of his coalition see the advantages he gave them going poof! Lay down with dogs and all that.

  26. leslie says:

    Wow. I left for the day around 10:15 yesterday morning (my time) to work at the church rummage sale for the day. Reading the comments, I thought about how wonderful it was that people could argue and still remain in the same room. When I grew up, if anyone had an opposing (to my father) POV, they were sent to their rooms or made to “hold your tongue”. There was a lot of that for one of my brothers and me. (The other 2 sibs always agreed or “held their tongues” before being told. They were the smarter ones.)
    Kudos to Klown, et al for the open space here. (As long as you don’t dis Taylor Swift) and I saw that no one went there . . . thank goodness.)

    • 49erDweet says:

      I agree. It gets a little frustrating to repeat the same history lessons every generation, but when one considers how much skullduggery goes into erasing and rewriting truth, one wonders what ELSE historians writ wrong.

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