War Is Heck


Victor Davis Hanson:

Sherman in Gaza

William Tecumseh Sherman 150 years ago took Atlanta before heading out on his infamous March to the Sea to make Georgia “howl.” He remains one of the most controversial and misunderstood figures in American military history. Sherman was an attritionist, not an annihilationist — a strategist who believed in attacking the sources that fuel and field an army rather than butting heads against the army itself. To review his career is to shed light on why the Israeli Defense Forces were both effective in Gaza and hated even more for being so effective.

Much of the South has hated William Tecumseh Sherman for over a century and a half, but not because his huge army killed thousands of young Confederate soldiers (it did not). Grant did that well enough in the horrific summer of 1864 outside Richmond. Rather, Sherman humiliated the plantationist class by staging three long marches during the last twelve months of the Civil War — from Tennessee to Atlanta, from Atlanta to Savannah, and from Savannah up through the Carolinas. In each of these brilliantly conducted invasions, Sherman, with a few notable exceptions, sought to avoid direct fighting with Confederate forces, either outflanking opposing armies that popped up in his way, or entrenching and letting aggressors wear themselves out against his fortified lines. He did enormous material damage, as he boasted that his enemies could do nothing to impede his progress — humiliation being central to his mission.

Instead of fighting pitched battles, Sherman was interested in three larger strategic agendas. War in his mind was not a struggle between militaries so much as between the willpower of entire peoples, distant though they be from the battlefield. One chief aim was iconic. Sherman sought to capture cities or traverse holy ground that might offer his forces symbolic lessons that transcended even strategic considerations. He wanted to capture the important rail center of Atlanta before the November 1864 election and thereby ensure that the war would continue under a reelected Lincoln rather than be negotiated into a meaningless armistice by George McClellan. By taking the South’s second-most-important city, Sherman reminded the Union that the northern strategy was working and that Lincoln, as the architect of it, deserved support.

Marching through the heart of Georgia to Savannah also reminded the Confederacy that it could not stop a Union army from going pretty much where it pleased — even into the heretofore untouched southern heartlands. The much-hyped March to the Sea took on an almost messianic character in dissecting the Confederacy, as Sherman torched plantations and freed slaves. His so-called bummers praised their “Uncle Billy” and sang “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” as they tramped through Georgia. Sherman was interested in such theatrics as part of a larger moral lesson that “War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.” He was particularly keen on reminding those who start wars that they must bear the consequences of their ideologies.

Accordingly, Sherman was most eager to go into the Carolinas, despite the forbidding terrain and the ordeal of winter, in part to pull up behind Robert E. Lee’s army in Virginia, but also in part to humiliate the Confederacy by brazenly marching into the very birthplace of secession.

The Sherman way of war had another important symbolic aspect. Sherman often derided the mythography of the southern “Cavalier” class, by which he meant the notion that southern aristocratic manhood might offer such displays of martial prowess that the Confederacy’s disadvantages in matériel and manpower would be rendered irrelevant. As an antidote to the Rebel yell and the luster of a Wade Hampton or a Bobby Lee, Sherman formed the core of his forces not from high-born Yankees but from hardscrabble Midwestern farmboys. The latter enjoyed camping out and had the skills to live off the land far more than did southern cavalrymen. By entering the southern heartland with such rural regiments, Sherman was also signaling to the Confederacy that its pride in the martial supremacy of a rural South was a myth.

His point was to show them that farmboys from Illinois or Ohio were just as tough fighters as Tidewater horsemen or the impoverished rural folk of northern Georgia. Sherman felt that part of the appeal of the Confederacy had been the mythology about its landed gentry, and he felt it essential to expose this as hollow and superficial; after all, he was in Georgia, while Georgian units were not in Ohio: “My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.”

There is a bunch more and you should probably go read it. Victor Davis Hanson really knows his shit:

Victor Davis Hanson is the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow in Residence in Classics and Military History at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, a professor of Classics Emeritus at California State University, Fresno, and a nationally syndicated columnist for Tribune Media Services. He is also the Wayne & Marcia Buske Distinguished Fellow in History, Hillsdale College, where he teaches each fall semester courses in military history and classical culture.

Hamas is Israel’s problem. I want to talk about our problem – ISIS, aka Islamic State and/or The Caliphate.

Basically what we are facing is a bunch of radical Muslims who are coalescing/congealing into a rapidly growing movement. Part of the reason for that growth has been a string of military victories. Another part of the reason for that growth is the actual/perceived weakness of Barack Obama.

ISIS needs to be squished like a cockroach. But we need to do more than just defeat them militarily. If we send our tanks and planes back to the desert they will scatter like roaches always do. We’ll kill a bunch of them and degrade their ability to wage war, but that won’t be the end of it.

The reason why the Middle East has been trouble spot since before I was born is that we just keep killing roaches every so often. But the people who give the orders and provide the financial support for radical groups aren’t out on the battlefields.

This is not about making friends and winning hearts and minds. It is not about nation building and spreading democracy. Those are worthy goals, but this is something much more basic – it’s about teaching our enemies not to fuck with us.

Of course none of this would matter if the region didn’t have oil, the lifeblood of industrial civilization.

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145 Responses to War Is Heck

  1. The Klown says:
  2. The Klown says:

    “To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.”

    Sun Tzu

  3. The Klown says:

    We have a bunch of naive idiots running this country.

  4. HELENK3 says:

    the politicians in this country have not had the “will to win” since WW2. until that become part of our political ideals again we will keep spilling blood and spending treasure on nations that just bleed us dry and we gain nothing. If our young men and women are going to be sent into harms way at least do not tie their hands and make it worth the cost of war

    • Constance says:

      But we aren’t spilling the blood of the Ivy Indoctrinated who direct the war policy because they don’t join the military and they don’t care about the other classes of Americans. Since these naive idiots never personally lose anyone or anything they have no reason to change their choices and since some of them are war profiteers (Halliburton/Cheney) they are even rewarded for dragging wars out. No one they know or are related to is killed or maimed.

      • John Denney says:

        Last time I looked, Halliburton’s profit margin in Iraq from the “Food for Oil” program was less than my bank was paying as interest on a savings account, and it was only a fraction of the business of one of Halliburton’s many subsidiaries. Yeah, it was a no-bid contract, probably because nobody else would accept that level of risk for that paltry of profit.

        • Mary says:

          Most of the oil contracts in Iraq post-war went to China.

          True story.

        • Constance says:

          I doubt Halliburton participated from the goodness of their heart. Somehow they were rewarded. Perhaps the profit they paid taxes on was less than your bank pays in interest. That doesn’t mean that is all the money they made.

  5. HELENK3 says:


    if most of arab states stand up to isis it could be defeated

  6. HELENK3 says:


    one of the main problems in this country today = backtrack

  7. I’ve never been a hawk—-never. But in the case of ISIS, I see no other choice but to go over there and destroy them. I think with the proper will and strategy, it shouldn’t take much, but we just have to do it. I can’t believe that our president projects no will to do such a thing. I can’t believe I’m missing W who would at least stand tall and tell the world that the days of ISIS are numbered. My own son is in the Air Force so I worry about him. But ISIS must be vanquished now——

    • HELENK3 says:

      may God bless your son and keep him safe. I agree about going to war as little as possible but if we go to war, go to win

    • votermom says:

      ISIS delenda est.

    • The Klown says:

      We can do it now or do it later. The longer we wait, the more it will cost.

    • Constance says:

      At least ISIS is consolidating themselves in one area, that should help us find and exterminate them. But I haven’t seen pictures of supply caravans and an Army of 80,000 men has to be eating a lot, that means they are fading into the civilian population who is feeding them and so it will be hard to separate the military from their civilian supporters.

      • Somebody says:

        Well why do we need to worry about their supporters? If in fact they are supporting them then they are part of the problem, correct? Massive numbers of refuges have fled from that area, those are the innocent civilians. ISIS has killed anyone that remained who refused to pledge allegiance to them……so if you ask me they made our job a lot easier. Proceed with scorched earth policy and eradicate them.

        • votermom says:

          WWII ended when we nuked our head-chopping enemy – Japan. American prosperity followed.

          Ergo, to return to American prosperity we need to nuke our current head-chopping enemy – ISIS.
          And possibly Mexican drug cartels.


          • Somebody says:

            I agree we need to take out the Mexican drug cartels but I don’t think detonating a nuke along our southern border is the way to do it. Just my opinion, but I think a lot of people living in the southwest might agree.

          • votermom says:

            Can we at least use landmines on the border then? Pretty please?

          • DeniseVB says:

            Not a nuke fan (civilian collateral damage would be extremely high), yet the continuing torture of Christians, women, children and gays, it almost sounds like a most merciful way to end their suffering now 😦

          • leslie says:

            I feel the same, D. I have opposed war until it put me on the “can’t get a boarding pass ahead of checking in” list of GWB fame. But in this case it would not only be the most merciful, but the most effective and efficient.
            I think bronco is golfing while he dithers because I absolutely believe, he is of them and supports them. I haven’t listened to him speak in years – at least 7 years He is a liar and sociopath. (But then I repeat myself.) He would sell his children to get what he wants. From the snippets that played on the news, I didn’t believe he was sincere when he spoke about the Foley execution then. And I still do not.

          • mcnorman says:

            Can’t votermom, they are already here. They have already bought their way into our political system. Do you realize that many of the border towns in Mexico have their politicians living on this side of the border?

          • votermom says:

            I’m not surprised, McNorman.
            And I’m convinced we have MuzBros in the Fed govt too.

          • 49erDweet says:

            Cartels’ jefe’s families live on this side, too, in very nice, protected gated communities.
            My city has bad gang problem, including murders. But only in “their” section. Never in MY section where, by a strange koinkidink, the families of the big bosses live.

          • DeniseVB says:

            leslie, lol, my son’s been an air marshal since 2002 and still get felt up by TSA. Not, at my age, am I complaining 😉

        • Constance says:

          I agree but we don’t make war policy. ISIS will use civilians as human shields, you know how our media will respond to that.
          Also there are a certain amount of people who will go along with the program no matter who is in charge. They live in Iraq so they are Muslim, if they lived in Israel thy would be Jews, If they lived in Rome they would be Catholic. They just go along and get along. This group could be incorporated into a new society.

          • Somebody says:

            Who cares what the media thinks? Clearly ISIS doesn’t, they just killed a reporter. ISIS has made it clear convert to their ideology or be killed. So we can worry about what the media thinks or worry about what the heavily jaded UN thinks or we can take care of business. I vote for the latter.

    • John Denney says:

      Some things are worse than war.

    • leslie says:

      Cynthia, I understand the dilemma about being a hawk. I agree with you in the case of ISIS. I also agree about missing W. (I would never have believed that I could say that, really.) Bronco, imho, is struggling because he is one of them and yet has to, at some point, be TehOne who lead this nation – or step down. I hope for the safety of your son.

      • The Klown says:

        I am not a hawk. War is a terrible thing and should be avoided. But not at all costs.

        I am not a pacifist either. Some times war is necessary.

        If you have to fight, then fight to win.

        • DeniseVB says:

          I remember the night when GHWB launched Desert Storm I was working the night shift at the veterinary hospital and we had the radio on to listen to the live coverage of the first wave of attack. Chilling, but he achieved the mission soon after. As a one term President, I think history will be kind to him.

  8. HELENK3 says:


    the difference in names isis and isil and why backtrack uses isil

    • The Klown says:

      There has been little notice of the president’s insistent use of the acronym “ISIL” to describe the Sunni forces currently rampaging across Iraq, executing Iraqi military and creating a new massive refugee population in an already unstable area.

      With the exception of Reuters and now the Associated Press, most news organizations have not referred to ISIL until President Obama began using the term, which stands for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. But when Obama used the term 5 times on June13, and 16 times in his commencement speech at West Point on June 19th, he was using his bully pulpit to make a point.

      Most, like this publication, continue to use the widely accepted acronym ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or al-Sham, but both describe the same murderous organization. The difference is that the Levant describes a territory far greater than simply Iraq and Syria. It’s defined as this: The Levant today consists of the island of Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, and part of southern Turkey.

      Why would Obama prefer ISIL? An “army” of that territorial magnitude takes the focus off the two countries that many believe define Obama’s continued failure in the Middle East. Most likely, he would rather eliminate the connection between the chaos in Iraq with his inaction in Syria. Better that the upheaval in a country to which we committed so much blood and treasure remain the fault of George W. Bush. The president has already been tarred with having failed to secure a Status of Forces deal with Prime Minister al-Maliki, which would have allowed a contingent of American troops to stay in Iraq.

      A lot of people are beginning to us the term “Islamic State” or “Caliphate” because that is what they call themselves.

  9. Kathy says:

    Right On! Despite the hand wringing of pundits and the Harfs of the world, the American people would welcome straight talk and straight action.

  10. driguana says:

    Another great VDH read and another great Klown take…” it’s about teaching our enemies not to fuck with us.” Isn’t there another aspect to this corollary though….”don’t fuck with them!” ? If you upfront tell them DFWU and DFWT in return, they will do their nasty thing until they fuck with the wrong group. Isn’t this rather the same position that Israel takes? So, if we let ISIS go, but show some strong signs of DFWU when they do or try to, they’ll take over large swathes of the Middle East, North Africa, parts of Asia and Southeast Asia, then they will have to fuck with Europe, Russia, China, Japan and North America…..I suppose Central America and South America will continue to wallow in their own social morass. But that will be their undoing….and perhaps WWIII but that, historically, seems to be the way the world turns.

    I hate starting off my Sunday so deep in entangled and depressing thoughts but I’m trying to be positive. So I’m going to water my garden again, talk to my plants and bird friends and see what positive things you all have to say….if any. And then tomorrow, we leave for two weeks in Portugal and northern Spain…that might help assuage my philosophical grief!!! Although I really hate to fly any more…geeez, nothing but entanglements!

    • The Klown says:

      Isn’t there another aspect to this corollary though….”don’t fuck with them!” ?

      I tend to be somewhat isolationist in my foreign policy views. Good fences make good neighbors and mind your own business are good policies AFAIAC. DFWU and we DFWY

      Many of the problems we have right now around the world are the result of us meddling in other countries years ago.

      • The Klown says:

        Meddling in other countries is just the foreign policy version of big government. It starts off with the best of intentions and then ends up serving special interests.

        The Law of Unintended Consequences applies too.

    • votermom says:

      It’s not Sunday yet. Party hardy last night? 😀

      Have a fun trip and very boring flights!

  11. Anthony says:

    From Victor Davis Hanson re: Ferguson:

    “What will save us are not more elite and self-serving “conversations” about racial difference, but a new classically liberal effort to consider race irrelevant in our shared American culture. Perhaps if we started treating people as unique individuals and not as hyphenated and anonymous groups, we could deal with these tragic shootings as individual tragedies rather than collective conspiracies.”


    • lorac says:

      It always blows me away that we’ve culturally accepted that race=diversity. At best, race is just a clumsy proxy for diversity (how much diversity is there when there are only 3 choices?) – IMO, the true diversity is individual differences. And of course that leads to diversity of opinions – which is what our country was founded on – well, the principle of it anyway.

      I’m no republican, but I’ll never call myself a democrat again either – but it took my becoming an independent to see how the only “allowed, acceptable” opinion has become that of the left. We’d be a lot better of, I think, if we understood that both sides have part of the answer. But that would spell doom for the politicians and the parties, so they have to keep it all polarized – so the “winner” is one of the parties, instead of *us*.

  12. elliesmom says:

    One of my favorite cities to visit is Savannah. It’s a Mecca for the Girl Scouts. Hundreds of thousands of boxes of Girl Scout cookies get sold each year so the girls can visit the American birthplace of the organization. I’ve been there a couple of times sans kids, and the city comes alive at night with street performers and southern hospitality. The historic district has beautiful antebellum mansions surrounding town “squares”, oases of green in the middle of the hot summer. Most of Savannah survived the Civil War intact. Except for cemetery where the gravestones have pointed tops to keep the Yankee soldiers from sitting on them and another one where all of the gravestones have been moved to he perimeter so the Union Army could camp there, there really aren’t a lot of remnants of the war to see. Because when Sherman arrived, the people knew it was accommodate him and his troops or have their city burned to the ground. They chose to save their beautiful city. I don’t know if it was pride or demoralization that made them make the choice. No doubt Sherman was a bastard, but he didn’t light the torch without asking first.

    • Somebody says:

      Well it kind of helped that the confederates deserted Savannah because they were surrounded. The navy was off the coast and before Sherman ever got there troops came down from Hilton Head and took up positions. They also flooded the area leaving only one narrow causeway in or out. The confederate soldiers that deserted did so via a make shift pontoon bridge. Basically by the time Sherman got to Savannah there wasn’t anyone to resist, only civillians and some elected officials, none of which were prepared to fight.

      Oh and yes Sherman was a bastard, there are still remnants of his destruction in the south.

      • leslie says:

        So when the troops came down from Hilton Head, did the generals have to give up their golf games, because you-know-who would never do that..
        Savannah is one of my most favorite places in this beautiful country of ours.

    • lorac says:

      Because when Sherman arrived, the people knew it was accommodate him and his troops or have their city burned to the ground.

      This reminds me of the topic up above about people in Iraq who have ISIS in their midst….?

  13. gumsnapper says:

    It’s an Obama Inaction Figure.

  14. Kathy says:

    Am so sick of these prissy young punks on tv who can’t make a complete sentence. It’s ‘so’ and ‘like’ every five seconds–we need gravitas–seriously.

    • leslie says:

      Tis beginning of every other sentence with the word “so” really gets to me. Two of my colleagues and 2 of our interns (all of whom are quite wonderful) start every comment with “so”. What does this mean for our higher education system? They are all either graduates of or graduate students at the University of Chicago ……. Nearly Ivy League. They really are brilliant people. It sometimes feels as if we are in a continuous conversation and they are just picking up where they left off.

  15. Kathy says:

    Btw, I have been reading Krauthammer’s book, Things That Matter. I am struck by how well he writes and it is interesting.

  16. alice says:

    Perhaps Michelle can take to Twitter with a hashtag campaign. That’ll show ’em.

  17. HELENK3 says:


    there need to be some radical shifts in the ME to stop isis

  18. The Klown says:
  19. HELENK3 says:

    off topic
    not sure if this will show

    good advice

  20. SHV says:

    “Most, like this publication, continue to use the widely accepted acronym ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or al-Sham, but both describe the same murderous organization. The difference is that the Levant describes a territory far greater than simply Iraq and Syria. ”
    I’m not sure why Obama uses “Levant” perhaps for the reasons stated but if so, it’s because of the ignorance of the special snowflakes who write his speeches. From my limited research the word “Syria” in ISIS refers to Bilad al-Sham which is “Greater Syria”. This designation includes land from southern Turkey to the Sinai, essentially the same as “The Levant”. In Arabic, the country of modern Syria is referred to with a different name.


    • Somebody says:

      Ignorant, special snowflake speech writers…..say it isn’t so.

      • SHV says:

        I suspect the “Levant” thing is a product of the “too clever by half”, failed fiction writer, National security adviser, Ben Rhodes. He of the Cairo, “Arab Spring”, speeches.

        • leslie says:

          You know, that has been my suspicion as well. “Too clever by half” But I am almost always in opposition to whatever comes out of the mouths of this administration.

          • lorac says:

            I only ever heard O saying “ISIL”, then I started hearing a couple of news orgs using it, so I figured it was just O being his self-impressed self.

            Kind of like how he had to pronounce a couple of countries the way they are pronounced in the original language. But he doesn’t pronounce Paris as “Pah-REE” or Russia as “Ruh-SEE-ya” or Moscow as “Musk-VAH”.

            Just another affectation. But he’s such a lazy poseur that he just makes a half-as*ed attempt even at pretentiousness.

    • Kathy says:

      ‘Special. Snowflakes’–that is priceless. Btw, did you know that Ben Rhodes’ brother is president or in charge of CBS news.

  21. DeniseVB says:

    What say you TCH Legal Team ? Pookums the Bomber Boy’s team wants a dismissal.


    • The Klown says:

      Dismiss the case, then deport him.

      And by “deport” I mean have the Navy take him out into the middle of the Atlantic and shove him out a porthole, then let him swim the rest of the way back to Russia or wherever.

  22. The Klown says:
    • 1539days says:

      Obama is just screwing with people now. No one likes golf that much.

      • leslie says:

        I agree. He is being a spoiled brat and the biggest adolescent that ever was. He probably did stuff like this after his mother remarried. This type of behavior most likely resulted in his being sent back to his grandparents.
        Can we send him back? Maybe that is what he’s hoping.

        • SHV says:

          “This type of behavior most likely resulted in his being sent back to his grandparents.”
          We no nothing about Obama especially his childhood but I would be willing to be that he had severe ODD as a child and teen.

          “In children with Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), there is an ongoing pattern of uncooperative, defiant, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that seriously interferes with the youngster’s day to day functioning. Symptoms of ODD may include:

          • Frequent temper tantrums
          • Excessive arguing with adults
          • Often questioning rules
          • Active defiance and refusal to comply with adult requests and rules
          • Deliberate attempts to annoy or upset people
          • Blaming others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
          • Often being touchy or easily annoyed by others
          • Frequent anger and resentment
          • Mean and hateful talking when upset
          • Spiteful attitude and revenge seeking”

          Apparently, ODD is a risk factor for becoming a sociopath as an adult; extreme narcissism, lack of empathy, blames others, etc., etc., etc.

          Obama loves to annoy people, especially his obsequious followers who then rationalize a 180 degree turn in what their messiah said the previous week.

        • votermom says:

          Obama is flipping us the birdie.

      • votermom says:

  23. Anthony says:
  24. DandyTIger says:

    You need a leader to put together a coalition and a strategy for such an operation. So the only question is, how much harder will it be for us to fight ISIS in two years.

    • Lulu says:

      In one way it will be easier because Bronco the Ass Dragger will not be prezzy anymore.

    • 49erDweet says:

      Look at the up side. In 2.5 years they’ll be bigger – thus offer a richer target environment – and sloppier – thus be easier to find. We’ll just need to use bigger armaments, but that’s no problem for us.

  25. votermom says:


  26. lorac says:

    I suspect O’s golfing is primarily to escape. He can’t handle all the clamor for him to DO something – he just signed up to heal the world with his presence. I think he’s just hiding and trying to have fun to keep himself distracted. The fact that he doesn’t change his behavior amidst the outcry – I think it shows just how terrified he is – he has to hide, he can’t bother with repercussions. Plus, he can smoke out there.

  27. lorac says:

    I know that O is not sealing the border because he’s using it to blackmail the country for amnesty. But with ISIS’s huge success and now clear threats to our country, I have to admit that his failure to secure the border is making me start to think he WANTS something to happen here.

  28. The Klown says:
  29. threewickets says:

    He’d barely be competent as mayor of a medium sized American city. What’s he doing as President running our nation with a bunch of comic book reading kids and some Wall Street mobsters. It’s embarrassing for everyone.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Obama never ran a lemonade stand in his life, I think we have a “media” problem 😦

    • Somebody says:

      Yet there are still those that refuse to admit what a miserable failure he is.

      • Constance says:

        Because the only goal they ever had for Obama was that he be the first black president and regardless of what he does he will always fulfill their only requirement of him.

    • 49erDweet says:

      The same great folks that stuck us with him for 8 years have prepared a lying fake Native American to pick up his driver and stroll to the next golf course in 2017, too.

    • The Klown says:

      Obama is an exception to the Peter Principle – he has risen far above his level of incompetence.

  30. DeniseVB says:

    I caught the Illinois v. Nevada Little League World Semi finals this afternoon, tomorrow’s going to be Illinois v South Korea for the World Championship. Sorry spoiler alert 😉 My bad.

  31. DeniseVB says:

    One last thing…..

  32. The Klown says:
  33. Somebody says:

    Completely OT……man cave update……just got hubby a 50 inch 4k tv for football viewing in his man cave……..tell me I don’t deserve wife of the year!!! No he still doesn’t have a beer fridge, we’ll get there.

  34. Kathy says:

    Wow–tell him he’d better be good to you. Now let’s hope the Gators get it together this year.
    My husband (Vietnam. AF. Vet). Just said we should put the B-52’s over Iraq. He said that when they fly over the earth literally shakes.

    • Somebody says:

      I’m an Alabama fan and my husband is now too since our daughter recently graduated from UA. I have strong family ties to UA. My family is from AL and most went to UA including a cousin that played for them, coached and was their athetic director until last year when he passed away. As a Floridian I will pull for the Gators in any game they play unless it is against Alabama.

      I’m sure the Gators will get their stuff together, last year simply HAD to be a fluke. Sadly I don’t think the same can be said for the Jag’s……OMG it’s painful to watch their games.

      As for the B-52’s I guess it would depend on what they were dropping. I’m pretty sure they were used over there before so I think they have the range. If you let votermom and my hubby decide we know what they’ll be dropping……ahem, everything will glow!

      • Kathy says:

        uh o–Bama, or as I prefer to call them, trouble. My daughters both went to Florida so we have to be loyal. And. B-52’s. Drop loads of booming shit. Granted they are old, but can instill fear. And we need to instill lots of fear.

        • Somebody says:

          When I type Bama into my phone the stupid auto-correct turns it into Obama. That really PISSES me off. It also really confused my daughter during election season. Sometimes she didn’t know if I was sending a text about the election or the football season, LOL!

  35. gram cracker says:

    So help me golf.
    Check out MoDo’s new column. It is Obama’s version of the Gettysburg address. Commentors are tired of her picking on Barry. It is ray cist to pick on a black President for playing golf.


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