STEM the Tide of Immigration

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From “The Fate of STEM PhDs (and More)” by Norm Matloff at Normsaysno:

My second item before turning to the NSF report is this job-seekers advice column by Laszlo Bock, Senior VP of People Operations (read “HR”) at Google. (I learned of this from an alert reader, thanks.) The advice itself is good, but rather at odds with the Google/Bock stance on the labor market. Bock writes

The toughest part is that for 15 years, I’ve continued to see the same mistakes [in re’sume’s] made again and again by candidates, any one of which can eliminate them from consideration for a job. What’s most depressing is that I can tell from the resumes that many of these are good, even great, people. But in a fiercely competitive labor market, hiring managers don’t need to compromise on quality. All it takes is one small mistake and a manager will reject an otherwise interesting candidate.

Huh? Does Bock work for the same Google that insists there is a tech labor shortage, so severe that it must hire lots of H-1B visa workers? Indeed, Bock testified to Congress in support of expanding the H-1B program. In fact, in his testimony he talked about Google being in competition with other firms, here and abroad, for talented workers — a huge contrast to his statement above that even great workers are competing with each other for jobs, rather than employers competing to hire them.

[…]

Which brings me, at last, to the new NSF report. Keep in mind that the NSF has always been pro-H-1B, and it shows here: The press release headline reads, “Unemployment for Doctoral Scientists and Engineers Below National Average in 2013.” Wonderful! But definitely misleading, for a number of reasons. For example, those who bother to read the actual report will find that the NSF is counting someone as “employed” even if they are working just part-time.

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I’ve often mentioned that a 1989 internal NSF report forecast (and spoke approvingly) that an influx of foreign doctoral students would keep PhD wages down, making doctoral study unattractive to Americans. That is exactly what has occurred, as noted in the congressionally-commissioned NRC report in 2001, and put bluntly by Cisco Systems Vice President for Research Douglas Comer: “…a Ph.D. in computer science is probably a financial loser in both the short and long terms, says Douglas Comer” (Science Careers, April 11, 2008).

If having a PhD doesn’t add much value in CS jobs, then why does the industry hire them? As noted, they actually don’t hire so many as they want the public to believe. But the answer also lies in another point I often make about the attractiveness of the H-1B visa to employers — the visa (coupled with sponsorship for a green card, typical in firms like Cisco, Google etc.) renders the worker IMMOBILE, a status of tremendous value, as the employer doesn’t want an engineer leaving for another firm in the midst of an urgent project. This is often pitched to employers by immigration attorneys as the advantage of hiring foreign students; the ad at the site http://hiref-1students.com/ should be required reading for anyone who wishes to understand the real dynamics of the H-1B visa and employer-sponsored green cards.


Supposedly there is a dire shortage of qualified STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics) employees in this country. So dire, we are told, that there isn’t time to train more young people in those fields and we need to change our immigration laws so STEMs from other countries can come here and work. Or maybe it is that Americans are too stupid and/or lazy to get STEM degrees. Either way, WE MUST OPEN OUR BORDERS!!!

Except there is no shortage. If you are an older STEM employee you better not lose your job, because no one will hire you because, well . . . you’re old. So what if you got a degree and experience and shit? Nobody wants to work with someone who was born before Algore created the internet. You’re not hip and cool.

More importantly, those foreigners work cheaper, and if they give you any shit you can have them deported.

Immigration is a bipartisan issue – BOTH parties are lying to you. Seal up that border and the issue of raising the minimum wage will become moot because wages will automatically go up when workers become more scarce.

Best of all, sealing up that border doesn’t require more government regulation of business and building an effective fence will create “shovel ready” jobs for Americans.


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108 Responses to STEM the Tide of Immigration

  1. The Klown says:

    During the New Deal the government created jobs for poor people so they wouldn’t starve. Now we pay people to sit and get fat doing nothing.

  2. The Klown says:
    • Lulu says:

      He is trying to jump on the newest bandwagon. Elite “ignorance and incompetence” is the newest thing. They are dumber now than they were in 2008. While true it also tries to cover or divert the other “elite” traits of greed, laziness, and outright evil. Would an POS like Klein rather be called stupid or evil? He must have had to think this one over. I think he is both and the Vile Progs, elites (moneyed and those who serve such as academics or government types) are feeling the heat of their enormous failures. Remember how they were going to solve every human problem. Yeah. No. They made it worse because they are stupid and always were. This is butt covering 101. Vox must be in the red. When you attack the premise of your own entire venture and existence there is a big problem.Yeah. No.

      • leslie says:

        ” Would an POS like Klein rather be called stupid or evil? He must have had to think this one over.”
        Honest to goodness, Lulu, HOW do you ever come up with these money quotes?

      • threewickets says:

        He says Blue Dog districts will mostly go GOP in November. He’s probably right there.

  3. The Klown says:

    I was just about to go to bed when I spotted a trespasser on my back patio. So I ran outside, grabbed a shovel, cornered the bastard and then beat him to death. He would have gotten away if he had just run but he made the mistake of trying to hide behind the garbage cans. I think I hit him about 20 times with the shovel before he finally stopped squealing and died.

    I got rid of the body in the creek out back but the fucker bled all over the place before he finally quit flopping and twitching. I tried hosing the blood off but it must have dried quick in the warm air while I was disposing of the body. The sidewalk by the gate is still a mess.

    I fucking hate possums.

    • DeniseVB says:

      I guess you missed “Gloria Pritchett’s” (Modern Family) demonstration on killing a rat ?
      With your shovel, whack it once on the head, then chop it off and leave the head there as a message to other rats.

    • Somebody says:

      Murderer!

    • Chris says:

      Bad enough you have it within you to beat a living thing to death while it squeals, flops, twitches and spills its blood all over your patio, must you also write about it as if it is a praiseworthy and justified deed? Couldn’t you keep this act of cruelty to yourself? What’s next, video with a droning explanation as to why it was a righteous act? You live near a creek (i.e., a wildlife highway) and you leave out food for critters you don’t consider ugly and abhorrent (cats and raccoons). You are luring in anything looking for an easy meal. You are the problem, at this point, not the opossums. I just don’t get it…..

      • Underwhelmed says:

        Sadly, I have to say ditto ditto on this one. Yes, opossums aren’t very nice to look at. And they may be a pest. But to take such glee in killing one so violently is stomach churning, Klown. I so much enjoy your posts, your wit and your intelligence, and it’s hurtful to read something like that, something that dehumanises you.

      • 49erDweet says:

        Actually, Chris, speaking as one who has lived several decades in possum country, what Klown did was a humane way to train the REST of the possums to stay away from Klown Kottage. And trust me, there are plenty more in that family who need to learn that lesson.
        “Living things” have no inherent right to keep on living. They must learn to adapt in order to do so. Life is brutal, not all refined and nicey-nicey. I don’t believe Klown enjoyed what he had to do, but did it to promote the well being of his household of felines. I would have done it differently. I would have put a couple of rat terriers out there for a couple of nights, and had them do the nasty deed for me. Choices.

        • Somebody says:

          Opossums eat bunnies. Opossums murder living things too. That opossum would have gladly killed one of Klown’s kittens if given half the chance. It doesn’t matter if there is food out or not, they hunt at night. I’ve never once in my life left food out and I’ve had many opossums on my patio. I had one that cornered a little bitty bunny on my porch.
          Are pellet guns legal in CA? Perhaps a pellet gun would be a more efficient way to dispatch of the problem?

          • The Klown says:

            Possums are not an endangered species. Chasing them away doesn’t work.

            I really don’t need the neighbors calling the cops and saying I was running around waving a gun.

            I may have slightly exaggerated the event last night. That critter didn’t suffer. It was over pretty quick.

          • Somebody says:

            Well you have to be really quick on the draw to have a chance to hit one, trust me I know. A pellet gun does act as a nice deterrent and it’s great target practice to boot. It’s not going to kill them unless you get a subsonic 22 or unless you’re good enough to hit one directly in the eye. We use bb’s or rubber pellets and they learn to stay away, every year there are new ones and so it begins again. The pellet thing does NOT work with raccoons because they’re smart enough to figure out if you’re not there you can’t shoot them opossums are kind of dumb.

            Armadillos however don’t give a shit even if you shoot them with the toughest pellet you got and pump it to the max. We’ve relocated a ton of armadillos and still more come, they will tear up your yard in one night…..worthless varmints! I think we’re going to invest in a subsonic 22.

      • The Klown says:

        Video? That’s a great idea!

  4. The Klown says:
    • DeniseVB says:

      Obama should have never spiked that football in the Rose Garden, then abandon those journalists. There’s still a Marine in a Mexican prison while we allow God/Allah knows who come over our border.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Yep, most of us here were thinking the same thing in 2008, and we were right. We were being “sold” the Coming of the Great Messiah when nothing in his personal or professional life proved he was.

  5. 1539days says:

    Oh, I’m loaded for bear on this one.

    So, I wrote an “I Hate My Job” post this week on my blog. Despite the Obama period of stagnation that has lasted longer than most recessions, companies have to hire people for some jobs. My group has seen a number of people leave or retire (a couple of engineer managers, including mine) in the last year or so. When they hire for new positions, they are trying to use an old pay scale on people who have worked at real companies with more pay.

    While my company is on the NYSE, it doesn’t have the pull to just hire a bunch of H1-B immigrants. Instead, they’re going to engineering schools and trying to find the cheapest people possible. Those of us who came in cheap are simply being exploited. I’ve come to the conclusion my chances are better outside of this place.

    • Somebody says:

      1539 I know you’re frustrated but don’t do it, don’t leave. My neighbor worked for one of the big ones, premium H1B exploiter…..hint BIG company, been around a long time, acronym name. Big company was doing things hoping to turn over employees, my neighbor took the bait and thought he could do better elsewhere. Initially he did, he went with a start up, but as with many start ups it failed.

      He could probably go back, hat in hand to the big company…….but not at nearly the same pay level so his pride won’t let him. He’s exactly what this post is talking about, spent the money on graduate school and there is nothing out there for him…..nothing. He’s been unemployed for over a year, he’s applied for more jobs than you could imagine. He’s even gotten interviews, but hasn’t been hired. He’s been beaten out time and again by a foreigner or someone fresh out of school. He’s 45 years old in the prime earning years and he can’t find a job. He’s flown all over the country too, he’s not trying to stay here he’ll move. Now he’s looking international where he thinks he might have a better chance.

      The shortage of STEM workers in the US is big, fat lie. Every single congresscritter should be forced to read this post and the links. Every single congresscritter should have to meet people like my neighbor and the others like him. Look them in the eye and tell them there is a shortage of STEM workers.

      BTW good post Klown. One additional thing, if the tide of immigration isn’t stemmed then we’re going to lose a generation or more of advancement. It’s about more than just employment opportunities and salaries. If Americans aren’t pursuing that path because wages are depressed then we lose more than just workers. We lose innovation, we lose our technological edge. Universities are often times the launching pad for such innovation. If our people suddently stop becoming educated in science, math and engineering then what? What becomes of our country?

      • 1539days says:

        I’ll start looking, but I don’t think I’ll be telling my department head to take this job and shove it anytime soon. Over the last few years, I stopped pulling extra hours just to do stuff for free on salary. Now I plan to check out mentally. No one will notice. Management has no idea how much I do for this place.

        • Somebody says:

          I’d suggest that you look at some type of government job, but those are drying up too. I’m not sure about federal, they seem to be adding federal employees so maybe that’s where you should look. My son is a computer engineer, spent years working his tail off 12 hour+ work days, on call 24/7. Last year he got a job with a state college, he now works 40 hours a week. He rotates being on call, but it’s not the same. Only once has there actually been a call, whereas at his other job there were ALWAYS calls usually at 2 or 3am. He’s a different person now, he looks better, he actually has a family life. He LOVES his job.

          Unfortunately the state has begun to outsource as much as they can. They’re becoming like all the other big employers. I think pensions and other benefits are a big driver for them though, not so much H1B. What they can’t outsource they’re replacing with part timers so they avoid benefits. My son is hanging on, but things don’t look bright, we’re very concerned. We actually kind of wish he’d consider changing careers.

          STEM workers get hit from a variety of different angles. There is a glut of STEM workers, no matter what the COC and the tech companies say. Most STEM workers are salaried so they’re expected to work lots of additional hours for no additional money thanks to changes in overtime rules. Their wages are depressed due to the glut and it’s only exacerbated by H1B. The overtime rules dilute their already depressed wages. Then throw Obamacare on top of it which basically encourages companies to only have part timers. So if you’re a STEM worker you’re lucky if you’re full time, but you’ll be working your ass off. Otherwise you’re a part timer and can’t make ends meet or worse you’re unemployed like my neighbor.

          • Somebody says:

            Unpaid internships, I forgot to add that to the list. Those are pretty much a right of passage for anyone in the STEM field. In fact many universities require them and companies sure don’t seem to mind.

        • Kathy says:

          Too many big corp. are run so stupidly that you wonder how they are still in business.

        • leslie says:

          Don’t do it, 1539. Just yesterday spoke with my son’s neighbor who is currently struggling to raise his 2 daughters and is in a similar situation as you. He has looked around, and, you’d think he’d have no problem with his education and work history (both excellent) he’d have no problem. He’s been looking for a couple of years, to no avail.
          I started this reply hours ago, but was interrupted by a delightful and tiring visit from my 3+ yr/old hugely energetic granddaughter. I took her on her first train ride ever this morning – into Chicago – and now I wanted to get this message to you.
          I know how hard it is to go into work everyday, working hard and not getting credit for good ideas and unpaid overtime work, covering the work of others and giving up vacations. But I am going to retire next year, so I just have to hang on. (I, too, mentally checked out for a while, but that didn’t help me feel good about going into work.) I have recommitted to doing my best and feeling privileged to do the work I like while preparing myself and my clients for my retirement next summer. In fact, that was my stated goal on my most recent employee review. My super seemed surprised that I was still committed to retiring next year.
          I’m sending you my best wishes for a better work life.

    • Constance says:

      I work in medical research. In the last 4 years all the technologists over 55 have been forced out (I now work 10 hours a week). They do rehire but they hire kids right out of school and they make less than half of what I was making. I don’t even know how they live in this city with what they make. So wages for research techs have collapsed and in fact the younger hires have more education than we old guys do. I am not too far from retirement and my kids are on their own so I can deal with the unemployment and just figure I’m retired but it’s just been hell for the people in their 50s. They are depressed, the only jobs they are offered are temporary and the pay barely keeps these folks households afloat. I think there are a few who will lose their homes still. For practical purposes people are being forced out of their professions at around 55. These are STEM workers. One job that was posted had 300 applicants. We don’t need foreign workers.

      • 49erDweet says:

        How do they force them out at 55? I know WHY, but how?

        • Constance says:

          “Sorry, your grant/program/project was cancelled, we can keep you on for a few hours a week for a few more months” Then months later they hire a kid and take back up with the same research. If you take the few hours a week of work it screws up your unemployment. I decided to take the 10 hours a week but when they finally cut me loose next year I will hardly get any unemployment and likely won’t bother to apply for it. They have also called most folks over 50 in and cut them to 75% salary and benefits. This is devastating for people who still owe money on the family house and have kids to support. But wages in the field have been depressed so much 75% is likely the most they can make.

          • 49erDweet says:

            I can accept that a business is losing money and must cut back, but what you are saying smacks strongly of age discrimination and IMO sets them up for a huge potential judicially compelled compensation package to each former employee.

        • Constance says:

          Another problem with this is while there are about the same number of jobs as there were 15 years ago the pay is about half what it used to be so the government has to be collecting less income tax on these jobs than before. Plus the over 55s who are taking less hours to keep their jobs are starting up ways to earn tax free money. Pet related businesses, house cleaning, music lessons, yard work, fixing cars for friends..but taxes aren’t getting collected on these activities. This has to be a big economic shift for the whole country.

  6. The Klown says:

    She has mom genes.

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  9. HELENK3 says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/200298-nyc-id-cards-for-undocumented-immigrants-to-include-more-free-stuff/

    NYC id cards for undocumented immigrants to include more free stuff

    seems like city – state- federal governments represent everyone BUT the legal American citizen

    • 1539days says:

      The worst part is that a generation ago, illegals weren’t even expecting a lot of these benefits. hey came over because being poor in Mexico was a lot worse than being poor in America. Now, there are people who come over for work, people who come over for welfare and the others who are coming over for new opportunities in the drug business.

      • Somebody says:

        I know many would say that I’m cold hearted, but I don’t think you should be allowed to immigrate here and be on welfare. If you can’t make your own way then stay where you are. Many countries have such rules for immigrants, you must have gainful employment to immigrate, that only makes sense. Why have a flood of people come in and go on the dole, that’s not productive for your country.

        I think there should be a set number of years before you qualify for any type of assistance. Other countries have similar rules, why can’t we? Also, get rid of the gaping loophole of anchor babies. Many benefits are coming in for the anchor baby which is technically a citizen. If you can’t support your kid AND yourself then you don’t need to come here and you sure as hell don’t need to hop across the border just to spit out a meal ticket.

        I also think we should have limits on benefits for our own citizens. I think it’s the only way to break the cycle of dependence………I know, I know I’m cold hearted and racist and probably a bunch of other things.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Wish I saved it, read an interesting article about the how the immigrants who came through Ellis Isand had it so much worse than the slaves down south. Lived in squalor, killed each other over petty crap, worked for pennies a day if they could get work and other charming stories. Fortunately a lot of them figured out how to make their lives better without govt help in those days. Of course, slaves didn’t have that choice, but white guys and gals weren’t always privileged. Not sure why inner cities haven’t figured it all out, I blame having no incentives getting off welfare. Now anyone who crosses the border seems to have won the lottery of free money and stuff.

          • 1539days says:

            As a student in the 80’s, I was actively discouraged by teachers from comparing indentured servants to slaves because the former were White and supposedly “free” after their term of servitude.

            There are a lot of stories of Europeans getting on a boat with stars in their eyes and dreams of streets paved with gold. Some immigrants came over here because they were being starved out of existence or in trouble with the law. Most of these people could not conceive of upward mobility and just hoped for a lateral move where life wasn’t unrelentingly hard.

            If you really want to piss off a prog, compare slavery with the dole. You get food, a home and varying qualities of medical care. Your masters don’t let you get married (food stamps may not because you’ll make too much money) but you can have kids. There’s no real chance to better your life. The only difference in slavery is that you had to work.

            As an indentured servant, you were a temporary. You served out your term at your owner’s (and they were your owner) whim and then you were out on the street. You could either work as a servant for someone else who didn’t even provide lodging or you could get a parcel of land in the Midwest and likely die during the winter. Which was worse?

          • The Klown says:

            It wasn’t that long ago that occasional starvation was a fact of life for most people, including most Americans. When people did have food it was often stale or rotten. Spices other than salt were rare and just about everything was seasonal.

            Variety was pretty much non-existent. You might eat the same thing every meal for weeks or months at a time. People often suffered from nutritional deficiencies like scurvy.

            What you ate was determined by where you lived. If you lived near the ocean you ate lots of seafood. If you lived inland you ate meat if you could trap or kill something.

            If you lived in the midwest or northeast, you better have enough food stored when the first snows started falling because it was probably the only food you had until the Spring thaw.

            Rodents and insects ate or spoiled lots of the stored food. The methods of preserving food were limited and not very efficient. People cooked over open fires, in fireplaces, and using crude stoves. The fuel for cooking had to be cut down and chopped up. You had to stock up firewood for the winter too.

            Urban living in the 19th Century was pretty grim. Filthy, crowded, and unsafe.

          • 1539days says:

            I think Hot Air had a graphic up once that the main cause of death 100 years ago was intestinal illness, or what we might call severe food poisoning. That has been almost entirely eliminated in the US. When it does happen, it makes the news.

            The leading cause of death now is heart disease, and that is influenced by the availability of unhealthy, but not immediately deadly, food.

          • The Klown says:

            Food safety was non-existent, and they put stuff in food and medicines that are highly toxic.

          • Lulu says:

            There were significant numbers of white slaves in North America and the Caribbean. The history of it has been hidden. Children were snatched off the streets and off farms and mines in all areas of the UK and Ireland. These children and teenagers were frequently worked to death if they didn’t find a way to run off. And they did it with boys and young men for press gangs also. They died by the thousands. Poor whites were cheaper than black slaves. The courts also exported “criminals” as slaves all over the world as indentured or convict labor also. Like I said the history has been ignored although the Australians are very aware of it.

  10. HELENK3 says:

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/the-show-wont-go-on/

    federal government not successful in show business.

  11. DeniseVB says:

    You can follow this on the trending twitter hashtag too, I’m just not feeling it, not even with the best snark I stole “how can you breathe all that clean air when you’re head’s been cut off?” Hope they sent Zombie to cover it with his/her’s running commentary on finding all the hypocrisy of Peace! and Climate! and Stuff! ! Same ole groups from the anti-Bush days are there except the street puppets have new outfits.

    http://gothamist.com/2014/09/21/photos_thousands_gather_for_peoples.php

  12. 1539days says:

    The term STEM even pisses me off. This implies that Science, Math and Engineering are somehow a different animal than all other jobs. They might as well just abbreviate it NERD. My aptitude tests put me right at the top for math, but nearly at the top for language. I got a higher verbal score in the SAT than any boy in my class and a higher math score than any girl in my class. Maybe I should have taken English as a major or just gotten an MBA.

    I’m starting to agree with Riverdaughter because my company is making it very clear that they no longer want to hire engineers as engineering managers and instead want to hire management types to boss the nerds around. They’ll discover (I can’t honestly use the word “learn”) that engineers are hard to boss around and their output is going to get a lot less creative.

    • elliesmom says:

      I was an engineering manager in a large international company, and managing engineers is a lot like herding cats. But cats can be trained to use a litter box and not to claw the furniture. I think engineers like to think we’re a lot more different than we actually are. I, too, could have gone either way based on grades and test scores. I don’t believe I could have made nearly as much money with a degree in philosophy except for a career in law, and when I decided to teach because it was what I wanted to do, and could finally afford to take the cut in pay, I wouldn’t have been in nearly as much demand. People in all fields are finding it had to find and keep work. It’s not just STEM workers who are working longer hours for less pay.Companies were hiring foreigners to work in STEM fields when I first went to work in the 1970’s. My first boss was from India, and my husband’s was British. Both here on visas. The problem isn’t new. It’s just more noticeable in a period of high unemployment. It’s easy to fall into Riverdaughter’s trap of feeling like your field is somehow being singled out for poor treatment. Try being someone who works in print journalism or as a travel agent. Their jobs are actually disappearing. At least for engineers there are still jobs to compete for.

      • 1539days says:

        I don’t feel I’m better than people because I’m an engineer because I feel like I’m better than other engineers, too. I’ve had long experience thinking everyone else is stupid and still sucking it up and not telling them that.

  13. Kathy says:

    The Jaguars are so pathetic……..all of this illegal immigration love is just to pump up the dem ranks, and they don’t care what it does to our country (refuse to say the homeland)

    • Somebody says:

      Isn’t that the truth about the Jaguars Kathy. Sometimes I just can’t stomach watching their games. I miss the days of yore. We may not have ever won the superbowl but at least we won games…….remember all the way to the AFC championship? Are you a season ticket holder? We were for the initial however many years and then we signed up again, but quit after that. We had tickets for 8 years I think it was. Life was too crazy with two teens, a toddler, my MIL and my father to take care of. The last couple of years we gave away more tickets to more games than we went to. I’m glad I don’t pay good money to watch them get their asses kicked every week.

    • Somebody says:

      By the by Kathy, sorry your gators lost yesterday……..but one of the teams had to lose. It was a good game. I thought I was going to have a heart attack the first half though. I don’t think I ever recall Alabama having so many fumbles. Florida is MUCH improved from last year!!

      • Kathy says:

        Yes I think the Gators are better, but they couldn’t have gotten much worse. And it Wes Bama after all…we never got Jags tickets–I really like college ball better, but I keep hoping they will suck less. Always the swimming pools though–distraction from the lousy game maybe.

        • Somebody says:

          I watch college and pro football……I just like football. It’s always exciting when football season starts and then depressing when it ends, LOL! I pretty much like any sports except basketball. I’ve just never really gotten into basketball. My dad took me to all the JU dolphin games when Artis Gilmore was playing…..still I don’t care for basketball.

          We were in a group that had season tickets and we had a lot of fun, but after a few years it does seem to almost become a chore……it’s much easier to click on the TV. When you go to the game it takes up most of your Sunday and of course there is the traffic. I think the best of all worlds is one of those 3 game packages, then watch the rest on TV.

          Do you like baseball? If you do you should go to a Suns game. A bunch of my husband’s co-workers and their spouses used to go in together and rent a sky box for the Suns games. What fun! It works out to about $20 each (25 people), you have an air conditioned sky box, but also private stadium seating right outside the sky box if you prefer to be outside. I only wish the Suns weren’t a minor league team…..but hey.

  14. 1539days says:

    Thanks, everyone, for letting me know that I can’t just up and quit my job. I had a little freak out this weekend because my new boss is supposedly some kid barely out of college. I’ll find out tomorrow if that’s the case or just the rumor mill.

    Sadly, I can do a lot less of the stuff I like to work on that ultimately makes things better and upper management will never know. My department head asked me how long I worked there and was off by about 3 years. I suspect I will be saddled with a lot of stuff my old manager did to take the place.

    I’m in a situation now where it’s just me and I don’t want to get to a point where they decide the next round of trimming includes me without being somewhat prepared. I just had to remember to not be disgruntled at the job.

    • DeniseVB says:

      {{{hugs}}} Days. In ’96 I walked off my job of 10 years because on a day my boss (the veterinary hospital owner) decided to chew me out in front of a client, she was menopostal and I was perimenopausal, our planets collided that day. I’ve regretted that ever since. Loved that job and miss the furbabies and their guardians.

      • 1539days says:

        My mom walked off at least two jobs. In the second one, they actually asked her to come back (and she did). Interesting story, but probably one I shouldn’t try at home.

  15. foxyladi14 says:

    o/t
    my best friend for now the difference in helpless in bed or rocking and rolling lol

  16. The Klown says:

    The Raiders were driving down the field to tie the game in the 4th when they Clemsoned and the Patriots won.

    Fucking Raiders.

  17. lyn says:

    What we have to look forward to, compliments of Obama.

    • DandyTIger says:

      That’s depressing.

    • leslie says:

      I just watched about an hour of a video with this woman interviewing others in Luton. It is more detailed – although the message remains the same. I don’t think she would’ve been able to make this film in many countries. If I am correct, the videos were made in 2012. I wonder if the points of view are any different, maybe more extreme in 2014. She seems to be genuinely saddened by the changes in her hometown. I know if it had happened in my hometown, I would be pretty sad, too.
      Thanks for posting this. I would not have viewed it if not for you.

    • John Denney says:

      “All non-Muslims will burn in hell”

      I attended a youth conference with my teen son a few years ago where the speaker taught the kids to ask four questions when someone makes an assertion:

      1) What do you mean by . . . ?
      2) How do you know?
      3) What difference does it make?
      4) What if you’re wrong?

      Numbers 2 and 4 would be a good start in this case.

      I’m told Muslims argue in circles:
      We know because the Koran says so.
      How do you know the Koran is true?
      Because Mohammed was a prophet.
      How do you know that?
      Because of the Koran.

      I’d love to hear a discussion between a Mormon and a Muslim about how to know when a person is truly a prophet. I did hear a Muslim woman say that the Koran is just an update on the Bible by a more recent prophet, Mohammed, in the 700s. So I wonder how she’d respond to a Mormon’s claim that the book of Mormon is a more recent revelation from God via the prophet Joseph Smith in the 1800’s.

      • Somebody says:

        Haha funny, but the argument would be the same…..at least with a Muslim woman. A Muslim man might cut the Mormon’s head off to prove his point.

    • 49erDweet says:

      Luton this year, Minneapolis next.

  18. leslie says:

    “60 Minutes” is covering ISIS, the poor judgment of bronco r/t ISIS/Iraq, the dysfunction of the IRS(they don’t mention the IRS focus targeting conservative organization and tax payers) and a few other stories tonight. I just listened to it on the radio. Imma watch it now that the football game is over.

  19. leslie says:

    Just saw this but I can’t figure out how I found it. Anywhooooo, see what you think of the article and the video.
    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/09/179982-brutal-break-video-might-make-wonder-really-launched-war-women/

  20. Somebody says:

    OT a little man cave update. The 50 inch 4k TV I got for the man cave rocks. It’s a Seiki, which I’ve never heard of before and who knows how long it will hold up. They come with a 1 year warranty and I bought a 3 or 4 year extended warrant for 20 something bucks, so anything goes wrong for 5 years I don’t pay a dime.

    I got this Seiki 50 inch 4k on amazon for $449 back in August and no it wasn’t a refurbished one. I see the price is more now, but if you’re in the market for a TV you should keep an eye out for one of these. We bought a 70 inch Vizio smart HDTV last year for our family room and I thought it had a good picture but it can’t touch that Seiki. We were watching football in the man cave and I had to come inside to cook……..totally not fair but I digress. So I turned on the game in the family room to watch while I cooked and I thought geez what a crappy picture, LOL! I got hubby to come in and see during the commercial break he couldn’t believe the difference. Most of the 4k TVs are really expensive but the Seiki isn’t any more expensive than a regular HDTV.

    I just thought I’d pass that along for what it’s worth and in case anyone is in the market for a TV. The Seiki isn’t a smart TV but you can buy a blu ray player now days that turns any TV into a smart TV.

  21. DandyTIger says:

    Stossle has a show on FoxNews talking about how we need more STEM immigrants. So Dems, Repubs, and so called libertarian conservatives, all pushing for slave wages for tech. and science workers. Americans need not apply.

    • Somebody says:

      Stossle is a tool. Many of his “facts” are skewed. He’s right every once in awhile, but hey so is a broken clock.

    • 1539days says:

      Libertarians have gotten this new iconoclastic makeover where they and the “Ron Paul” brand is getting popular. To some extent, I think this is due to libertarians being liberal and traditional liberals becoming fascist progressives. It reminds me of the beginning of the Progressive Era which split the Republican Party. At the same time, Democrats were pro-business and pro-worker, a combination that’s hard to find anymore.

      I’ve come to see libertarianism as nearly as bad as socialism. Both systems have all the answers on paper, but have no decent analogues in the real world. The only difference is that people who run governments like socialism better.

  22. Kathy says:

    I find Stossle annoying– sorta snarky and condescending at once. Maybe it’s just me–but I like Judge Jeannine

  23. Lulu says:

    The turnover at Homeland Security is alarming. The WaPo is attempting to blame it on poor “management” but it is obvious that it is the crazy ideology of the Obama-ites. In a nutshell they don’t think we should have security. So the staff is leaving before it all goes tits up. It is not a question of if but when. The media is in pre-blame mode for the WH.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-level-turnover-makes-it-harder-for-dhs-to-stay-on-top-of-evolving-threats/2014/09/21/ca7919a6-39d7-11e4-9c9f-ebb47272e40e_story.html
    “With the country facing a crisis of unaccompanied minors crossing the southwest border in recent months, the pair of DHS agencies responsible for tackling this problem have been hindered by turnover of top officials. U.S. Customs and Border Protection, for instance, has had six commissioners under President Obama, four of them in a caretaker role because they were not confirmed by the Senate.” Notice that the “poor huddled masses of children” language is gone. It is being seen for what it is: a massive security failure by the Obama administration.

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