Put Down The Koolaid And Step Away From The Punchbowl

NOT A CULT


Two entries from the Department of You Can’t Make This Shit Up.

First, Ron Fournier:

From History’s Lips to Obama’s: Waging War for Peace at the U.N.

With Wilsonian echoes, a pacifist president tries to rally the world on ISIS, Russia, and Ebola.

One hundred years ago, a pacifist president reluctantly led the United States into World War I. Woodrow Wilson eventually won “the war to end all wars,” but failed to achieve his greatest desire: a new world order. That would wait until after World War II. Faint echoes of Wilson sounded throughout President Obama’s address to the United Nations on Wednesday.

There stood a man who rose to power by opposing George W. Bush’s “dumb war” in Iraq, who slowly and reluctantly recognized the gathering dangers of an Islamic State, now urging the league of nations to build a timeless peace—even as he vowed to shed blood for it.

That dichotomy, part of a nest of dualities embedded in the nation’s spirit, came with Obama’s first words to the balky U.N. “We come together,” he said, “at a crossroads between war and peace; between disorder and integration; between fear and hope.”

Obama called this the best time to be alive, “yet there is a pervasive unease in our world,” because the same forces shrinking the globe also harbor new dangers. Giving three examples—the Ebola outbreak, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and the rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria—Obama said a common problem is the failure of institutions to adjust to massive change.

[…]

It was perhaps the most thoughtful, grounded, and forward-looking speech of Obama’s career. Not because he raised expectations with poetic phrasing—he’s been there, done that—but because he didn’t go there again. Instead, the president offered listeners a bracing, pragmatic road map to the future—a vision that, when moored to reality, was oddly optimistic.

[…]

The president seemed to recognize the incongruousness of the moment. A pacifist talking like a hawk? A peace-loving nation pushing the world to war? That’s us, Obama said; America is a dichotomous nation, one that doesn’t always live up to its ideals. Yes, there is racial unrest in the “small American city of Ferguson, Missouri,” he said, and the United States must find its way amid growing globalization and diversity. “But we welcome the scrutiny of the world,” he said, because the United States is constantly evolving and struggling and gaining on its promise “to make our union more perfect.”


What a load of crap!

Obama a pacifist? Our President is many things, but a pacifist isn’t one of them. First and foremost, pacifism is a principled ideology, and Obama has no principles. Pacifism requires moral courage and it is not opportunistic.

No true pacifist would ever brag that “I’m really good at killing people”.

Now here is Michael Tomasky:

Obama’s Iraq Is Not Bush’s Iraq
The war against ISIS may fail. But morally, it’s the opposite of Bush’s war, and if it succeeds, it will do so for precisely that reason.

Last week, a Politico reporter phoned me to ascertain my thoughts on the new war. Among the questions: Was there concern among liberals that Barack Obama was in some sense now becoming George Bush, and did I see similarities between the current war and Bush’s Iraq war that, come on, be honest, made me squirm in my seat ever so slightly? My answer ended up on the cutting-room floor, as many answers given to reporters do.

But since I’m fortunate enough to have a column, I’d like to broadcast it now, because the answer is a reverberating no. In fact it’s hard for me to imagine how the differences between the two actions could be starker. This is not to say that they might not end up in the same place—creating more problems than they solve. But in moral terms, this war is nothing like that war, and if this war doesn’t end up like Bush’s and somehow actually solves more problems than it creates, that will happen precisely because of the moral differences.

The first and most important difference, plainly and simply: Obama didn’t lie us into this war. It’s worth emphasizing this point, I think, during this week when Obama is at the United Nations trying to redouble international support to fight ISIS, and as we think back on Colin Powell’s infamous February 2003 snow job to Security Council. Obama didn’t tell us any nightmarish fairy tales about weapons of mass destruction that had already been destroyed or never existed. He didn’t trot his loyalists out there to tell fantastical stories about smoking guns and mushroom clouds.

The evidence for the nature of the threat posed by the Islamic State is, in contrast, as non-fabricated as evidence can be and was handed right to us by ISIS itself: the beheading videos, and spokesmen’s own statements from recruitment videos about the group’s goal being the establishment of a reactionary fundamentalist state over Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon. That’s all quite real.


Okay Mike, put down the Koolaid and step-away from the punchbowl.

In March of 2003 it wasn’t yet clear that Bush had lied us into Iraq. Will we learn in the years hence that Obama lied too? Yes, the Islamic State is evil incarnate, but so was Saddam Hussein. But I’m not sure how much of an immediate threat to the United States that ISIS represents today.

If ISIS is really an immediate threat to our nation, why is Obama insisting on a limited “no boots on the ground” strategy for dealing with them? Why hasn’t Obama gone before Congress and asked for a declaration of war against the Islamic State?

The rationalization, flip-flopping, pretzel twisting and born-again hawkishness of the Left would be amusing if it wasn’t so pathetic and the subject so serious.


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137 Responses to Put Down The Koolaid And Step Away From The Punchbowl

  1. Lulu says:

    This all is playing out like the five stages of loss and grief. Denial and isolation has been underway for quite a while. The anger has fizzled because it didn’t do any good. Now the bargaining and rationalizing until the election. These two are the mouthpieces of the administration and show what the inner mentality is for those who haven’t flown the coop yet. The silver plated age of Bronco is dead and all he can do is drag his carcass to the UN to prattle stuff no one believes.

    • leslie says:

      And prattle he did – – – for nearly 40 minutes. This after being asked to limit remarks to 15 minutes. His brass plated ego simply cannot handle limits imposed by others. ‘especially when hectoring others and proving that he – the Great Orator and teacher – is… beyond doubt… the smartest man in the room.

      • The Klown says:

        They gave him a shitty slot – a morning speech on a weekday. That pretty much guaranteed that most people would never see it.

        • Lulu says:

          It was a shitty slot. I wonder if he asked for it so not to conflict with lunch, schmoozing, etc. This UN shindig was arranged for him but he didn’t look like he was having too much fun. A lot of stuff has changed since the party was planned. Bummer.

  2. lildoggy4u says:

    These Liberals conveniently overlook Obama’s continued use of drones that began well before this evil ISI(L) appeared. He’s been killing folks for years now not to mention killing Americans without due process.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Yep, liberals overlook everything especially that Obama campaigned as the anti-Bush yet continues to double down on the Bush mistakes.

      • leslie says:

        I had a conversation with a neighbor last evening. She’d been out of the country for nearly 2 months. She was the one who commented that “Bush, Cheney and Condoleezza Rice belong in the Hague”. When I stated that obama has continued nearly every policy of Bush from the beginning and has broadened them – without Congress’s authorization, she said she is enraged with the killing machine obama is with his drones. We are now back to an even worse situation in the ME than we were with Bush, she added. She has lost all regard for any and every politician in this country and no longer has any trust in this government.
        Color me stunned. I live in a very Librul area and more and more I am noticing the “folks” in my immediate surroundings are turning. And they are not being as quiet about it as they had been earlier.

        • Propertius says:

          I think Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Obama all belong in the Florence Supermax.

          We took out Saddam because our bosses in Riyadh wanted to get rid of a competitor. If we’d left him in place, we wouldn’t be dealing with ISIS now.

  3. lildoggy4u says:

    This is OT but back to Robert Kennedy Jr.,s environmental caring – watch him destroy a family farm in Maryland – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OaD1LE33a0&feature=youtu.be
    And now, back to our sponsor…..

  4. DeniseVB says:

    Speaking of plastic goofy fakes, look who got together! I do believe we set them up here 😉

    http://www.cambio.com/2014/09/01/plastic-pals-human-ken-hangs-with-the-extreme-human-barbie/?cps=gravity

  5. HELENK3 says:

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.616730

    isn’t this just peachy? isis recruitment UP since bombing began

    • The Klown says:

      There are a lot of reasons that people (Islamic men) are joining ISIS right now. One is religion/ideology. Another is to get in on the winning side. A third reason is that they are fighting us. One of the biggest reasons to join ISIS is similar to why people join riots – mob mentality.

      If ISIS loses a big battle just watch the cockroaches scatter. Which is one of the defects in Obama’s strategery – he has pretty much guaranteed that there will be no decisive defeats for ISIS. They are better situated for a long war of attrition than we are.

      • DeniseVB says:

        Sounds like Vietnam when the North’s army just kept popping up like little Whack-A-Moles. Mostly because villages joined them to save their own butts. What have we learned ?

    • 49erDweet says:

      That might or might not be true, but based on that particular source we shouldn’t be too confident we actually know.

  6. helenk3 says:

    test

  7. driguana says:

    The media wanted GWB to be a liar….no matter what and so they painted him that way. They do not want BHO to be perceived as a liar so they will not let that happen. They will use words like evolve, come to a new understanding, reeducate himself, get the real facts etc….just watch. Like Susan Rice yesterday saying “AL-Qaeda core… And, that element of Al-Qaeda that hatched the 9-11 plot and executed it has been substantially degraded”. We didn’t get rid of Al Qaeda but we did “degrade” (love that word, too) them. Wow…it’s all become a word game with them. And none of the words suggest lying…only changes in attitude which as they continue to parse and twist suggest that Obama is more and more brilliant. The whole thing really scares me, especially when he then wraps it all in the threat and complicity of American racism. We are not far from our own race war in this country

    And yet…the whole WMD thing still bothers me. I’ve read all the reports and studies and commissions and something isn’t right. Oh yes, there was the fear mongering and mushroom clouds and fairly certainly no nuclear weapons. But there were chemical weapons and large caches of arms, especially RPGs….the people’s choice for killing…and large amounts of money. Where did these things go? Doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is that Bush lied…and Obama is not lying. Obama is a hero…like Spartacus or Cincinnatus…ready now to stand up and take on the evil empire.

    I’m still not convinced that the whole approach isn’t about heading toward martial law in this country. Obama doesn’t want to let go of his power and that’s the only way to keep it.Scary stuff.

    • Somebody says:

      Where did it all go? I’d have to go hunt up the links but according to ABC, Reuters and I think it was AP it went to Syria. When there was drum beating about arming the Syrian rebels and then the whole Assad chemical weapons controversy there were several stories about Iraq’s chemical weapons were transferred to Syria. According to what I read the Russians helped get the chemical weapons across the border just as we were closing in. The Russian disguised themselves and their convoy as Americans according to the articles. If I remember correctly Hillary was quoted in one of them.

      The articles treated that information as a matter of fact, Syria took possession of Iraq’s chemical weapons thanks to aid from the Russians…….like everybody knows that. The articles themself were more about the dangers of Assad and that he might use or already used those chemical weapons he came in possession of.

      There were a couple of other articles sometime in 2012 about yellow cake uranium stockpiles that Iraq had. Apparently there was so much it took years to clear that uranium out of Iraq. We flew it out, gosh I can’t remember to where…..but then it was put on ships. Initially we were going to take it out over land through Kuwait but they chickened out. Some Canadian utility took possession of all the uranium. If I remember correctly the last shipment left Iraq in late 2008.

      Apparently a lot of this information was classified at least for a little while. Some news organizations had buried online only articles going back to 2007 or 2008. None of this information was reported on any MSM channel or even Fox for that matter that I’m aware of. I believe when the drum beating was going on for arming the Syrian rebels a little bit of it did make the airwaves on CNN I think, but I’m not certain.

      Soooooo things to ponder…….did the media bury this information to purely to make GW Bush look bad and fit their narrative? Was it the Bush administration itself that kept it hidden? Did they threaten reporters about reporting this information due to national security? I think I remember that the Bush administration did NOT want any information coming out about the uranium while they were shipping it over the years for obvious security reasons. I could certainly see where the Bush administration wouldn’t want to admit that they were duped by the Russians, Syrians and Iraqis either.

      All of it could be absolute BS, at this point anything is possible. One would think if the MSM had such information they would have shouted it from the rooftops. One would think if the Bush administration had such information they also would have shouted it from the rooftops to vindicate themselves…….maybe not, maybe there were more adults in the room??? Maybe the Obama administration declassified the information freeing reporters to report……maybe those same reporters held the information until it was needed to help the Obama administration…….so many questions and I seriously doubt we’ll ever have answers.

      If I get time later today I’ll go hunt up those links because they’re out there. I think they’re on my phone still from when my prog sister was here. That’s why I think some of it involved CNN……to her if CNN didn’t report it then it didn’t happen. She thinks anything on Fox is made up by evil right winger, so I know I don’t have any Fox links.

      • 1539days says:

        One of the effective media smokescreens about yellow cake uranium is that the government reported it was there. Then one former ambassador used his self-importance to say he knew for certain there was no uranium. How did he know? He was sent there by his wife in the CIA, who conveniently agreed with his conclusions after the fact.

        Instead, all we got is ZOMG! Valerie Plame was outed! Her life is in super DANGER! Bushitler is a monster! Well, Valerie Plame’s head is still attached. There are two Americans who can’t make that claim anymore.

      • Somebody says:

        Here are two articles about the yellow cake
        http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/uranium-shipped-to-montreal-from-iraq-in-top-secret-mission-1.742303
        http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/
        I’m having a hard time finding the ones about chemical weapons going from Iraq to Syria. Odd that I found them easily when my sister was here back in June. I know for a fact one of those articles was either AP or Reuters and one of them quoted HRC because my sister would believe the sun rose in the west if HRC said it was so. Anyway I did find a couple of things but I wanted to find those MSM articles maybe tomorrow I’ll hunt them down.
        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/18/inside-the-ring-syria-iraq-and-weapons-of-mass-des/?page=all
        http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2007/07/iraq-wmds-and-truth.html
        http://weaselzippers.us/152251-flashback-chemical-weapons-in-syria-include-wmds-shipped-from-iraq/
        All of the above are right leaning so one that would be inclined not to believe them would dismiss them, even though one quotes Clapper from the Obama administration. I know that I know that I know there are or at least were MSM articles about the transfer from Iraq to Syria. Heck even my prog sister can attest to that because I showed them to her. It seems as though the internet has been scrubbed a little….shocking I know.

      • Somebody says:

        Driguana I put some links in a comment, but I used too many so I’m in moderation. Hopefully someone will dig them out.

        • driguana says:

          Thank you, Somebody. I appreciate you re-posting a lot of these articles.As I said above in my first post, I have read many of them already and read all of the Commission reports. My question “Where did they go?” was more rhetorical than place-based. I think most of us know where they went although the particulars of how it all happened are pretty fuzzy. Anyone could post a picture of a convoy of trucks and say “Oh look! A convoy of trucks carrying chemical weapons from Iraq to Syria!” The articles and research that I have found most interesting and, perhaps, most convincing are ones that have come out of various Scandinavian groups that are not “right-leaning”, as you say, but more centrist and fair in their information. I’m posting that here along with yours. For those who may have forgotten about all of this or not known about it at all…this should be a grood primer. Thanks Somebody!! I appreciate the time you took to post the info.
          http://www.uexpress.com/georgie-anne-geyer/1996/10/24/a-un-scandinavian-is-pitted-against

    • DeniseVB says:

      I was for turning Afghanistan into a parking lot after 9-11, even the the old peaceniks from the 60’s sent out messages, let Bush do that. Ok, it got creepy when he shifted to Iraq and Hussein. Wait, What? GWB did get a lot of support from Democrats for that move, it ultimately made Obama the “shining star” in 2008, because of a speech he gave that nobody heard. OY.

  8. lildoggy4u says:

    “an artful way for a man of peace to make the case for conflict” http://tinyurl.com/qhpbnd7
    This guy was shipped a case of koolaid.

  9. lildoggy4u says:

    Why isn't that a standard check box? MT @davidcommon Canada Post unable to deliver package due to "Bearat Door" pic.twitter.com/1DpUfhsmKl— David Burge (@iowahawkblog) September 25, 2014

    • DeniseVB says:

      Her name escapes me, but there is also another brave woman who lived under Islam law and has been banned from speaking at college campuses with the message “don’t tell me about the war on women here unless you’ve lived over there” (paraphrased).

  10. The Klown says:

    The funniest thing I read today:

    “Reporters following the Clintons on their presumptive campaign trail have described a Clinton machine that “always assumes the worst of the press horde and acts accordingly.”

    Sounds like a smart policy.

    • The Klown says:

      Remember when during the 2008 primaries the media complained that Hillary brought them bagels on the press bus because Obama always brought them donuts?

      • Lulu says:

        There should be no press bus. Candidates at this point should just videotape their own stuff and put it on the intertubes, and tweet, and stuff. I don’t see any of a point to the traditional media at this point. All they do is agitprop and propaganda so why feed them? Run ads and have their own Youtube channel. Skip them.

        • 49erDweet says:

          It’s so dated! In BCT (before cellphone time) it was one way to corral and keep sympathetic press coverage, unless it all backfired. Today it’s not the way the one’s who count for anything, work. Ergo, what COULD go wrong, does.

        • 1539days says:

          The anointed prog candidate wants the adoring press bus. The others should change schedules and routes at the last minutes and try to lose the buses.

  11. helenk3 says:

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/66273

    are backtrack and the arabs leading us to WW3?

  12. helenk3 says:

    way off topi

    KARMA strikes

  13. mothy67 says:

    What happens when a lone wolf or two takes action on American soil. (Sadly I fear it is inevitable.) Will the propagandists accept any responsibility for their part in enabling this clusterfuck?

    I am afraid. Been trying to avoid the news as much as I can as there is nothing I can do about it and it depresses me. Also the Kindle died and the next gen doesn’t come out until Oct 3(Big diff is a front and rear view camera with decent specs and unlimited cloud storage for photos taken with it)

    The fear may not be rational but it is still there when I have the little one with me. I am not going to take her to a mall or wait for a bus on a desolate city street with her. Every police force in the country got notice to watch out for singular actions and yet the border remains open.

  14. Kathy says:

    Something else bothers me. A big reason European countries aren’t dealing more aggressively with this is because they have large Muslim populations and I fear we are getting there. Sounds almost racist I know but it is true.

  15. helenk3 says:

    hOLDER stepping down. will announce this afternoon. will stay until successor confirmed

  16. helenk3 says:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2014/09/24/obama-admin-plans-1000-fine-taking-pics-public-land-will-media-report

    what part of PUBLIC meaning belongs to the people does the backtrack bunch not understand?

    • Propertius says:

      Interesting that Newsbusters asks “will the media report” on this story when their source is The Washington Post (follow the link in the story). According to the Post the public comment period for this proposed regulation extends to Nov. 3.

  17. 49erDweet says:

    OT. Apparently the drought could be over, for awhile, bc they’re forecasting a TR of rain for the coast. Assuming that means TRemendous?

  18. The Klown says:
    • 49erDweet says:

      Well, she certainty has a ton of experience with the justice system. Wasn’t she a trustee for ten years? At Tehachapi?

      • 49erDweet says:

        Leslie, “Tehachapi” is a real old timer’s reference to the original California Institution for Women, at Tehachapi, CA. What I’d forgotten in my dotage was the ’62 earthquake made the dormitories unsafe so the prisoners were moved, the prison torn down and replaced eventually with a modern supermax men’s prison. So my cuteness bombed big time.
        What I shoulda said was “Chowchilla”, because although there are two prisons with slightly different names near Chowchilla, CA, one is a women’s prison and Klown lives about three hoots and a holler from there. Mea culpa.

    • Somebody says:

      Hmmm interesting theory. I wonder what the drink limit is for congressional hearings, LOL!

  19. votermom says:

  20. Propertius says:

    Why hasn’t Obama gone before Congress and asked for a declaration of war against the Islamic State?

    +1000

    Amazing how reluctant our “constitutional scholar” is to actually abide by the Constitution, isn’t it?

  21. helenk3 says:

    http://ulstermanbooks.com/d-c-whispers-barack-obamas-outraged-tantrum-military-briefing/

    what are the odds of backtrack ever standing up for America the way he stands up for islam?

  22. elliesmom says:

    Nothing to worry about. Al Sharpton says he’s picking Holder’s replacement as we speak. http://www.businessinsider.com/al-sharpton-says-hes-helping-pick-the-next-attorney-general-2014-9#ixzz3ELl29z9l

  23. driguana says:

    Lots of versions of this song as most of you long timers here probably already know but this is new one for me…

  24. DandyTIger says:

    I think the Holder timing is simple. The Dem senate can confirm with just 50 votes since they changed the rulz. Won’t be true for long. If he doesn’t go before new Senate in Jan, they won’t get to replace him.

  25. DandyTIger says:

    Remember, buy local:

  26. 49erDweet says:

    As we speak the air overhead is filled with the awesome sounds of practice dueling dogfights by USAF Thunderjets rehearsing for our annual weekend airshow. They are LOUD. Gd drug me outside to watch. And FAST!!!!! And LOW!!!!!!!!!! The sounds of FREEDOM!
    Well, maybe not so welcome in other parts of the world. BYGWIM

    • helenk3 says:

      HOLDER about to make his announcement

    • helenk3 says:

      are they not the MOST AWESOME

    • 49erDweet says:

      Just had a classic media/technology fail. A news alert from local TV hit at 1:47pm. “Heads Up! Thunderbirds will be flying over town at 1 pm today”! LOL. They had just left!

    • Constance says:

      Strangely on Tuesday when I was at work I heard this ominous roaring vibration and looked around to see at least one fighter jet buzzing over downtown Seattle. There may have been more above the clouds by the sound of it. Really strange as the navy airbase is out on Whidbey Island and there is no reason for the fighter jets to come over the city unless something was up. I guess they could of been going to Boeing field but they were going way to fast to land there. I never heard anything about it on the news.

      • lyn says:

        My southern Oregon town has a National Guard base that trains F-15 pilots. We wonder what’s wrong when the jets aren’t buzzing overhead. LOL.

      • 49erDweet says:

        AFAIK there are extremely rigid rules for that type of flying in built up areas, so I suspect the jet was scrambled from WINAS for a good reason that turned out to be unnewsworthy to the Seattle press, IYKWIM.

        • Somebody says:

          Hubby says there is a prohibited area east of the Cascades and a plane may have been headed to or already in that air space, so fighters were possibly scrambled. Also there could have been a plane in Canadian airspace that was crossing into US airspace that wasn’t responding to ATC. If any airplane is out of ATC contact for 5 minutes ATC is duty bound to start procedures which can include scrambling military jets. If it was near a populated area the response most likely would include jets being scrambled. There could also have been a training mission. There are several other possibilities, but like 49er said whatever it was it wasn’t newsworthy.

    • leslie says:

      BYGWIM ??
      I can’t find it in urban dictionary.
      Thanks

  27. foxyladi14 says:

    wp’ s nesting sux

  28. DeniseVB says:

    OH SNAP !

  29. mothy67 says:

    OT Went to open house at the school today. The poor math teacher. Parents are not happy about Common Core. The district hired a math specialist and is going to be offering evening classes for parents because most don’t understand how to help their kids. I usually have to read the instructions twice. If a student gets the right answer but arrives at it in the wrong way it is marked wrong. Seems that 31 -18 has to become 33-20. The kind of thinking you do in your head but it has to be expressed on paper. Crazy.

    • votermom says:

      Ay yay yay yay.
      I hope my Middle Schooler won’t be too affected by this.
      I think my High Schooler got better math skills because of piano lessons. The younger kid refused to do piano though.

    • 1539days says:

      As far as I can tell, it’s mathematical socialism. It makes math as hard for smart kids as it is for dumb kids.

  30. angienc says:

    At this point, after all the outright lying and covering up for Obama that I’ve seen the MSM & the Dems do, I’m not 100% sure that GWB was lying to us about Iraq.
    Yeah — that’s how bad it’s gotten. “War is peace.” — they’re literally arguing that without an ounce of fucking self-awareness.

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