You Get A Pony, He Gets A Pony, Everybody Gets A Pony!


I can imagine the perfect health care system. You are given a card, and if you get sick or injured you go to a doctor or emergency room and present that card and they give you whatever examinations, tests, treatments, surgeries, therapies and/or medicines you need to get better.

There are no co-pays, deductibles, billing statements or any red tape. The doctors provide care to patients based on their own judgment without worrying what some bureaucrat or bean counter thinks. Doctors and other medical professionals are fairly compensated for their work commensurate with their education, skills and experience.

It goes without saying that all doctors are both honest and competent, but if they occasionally make a mistake the patient or his/her will be fairly compensated for their injuries and economic losses without needing an ambulance-chasing shyster trying to win the malpractice lottery jackpot.

Everyone in the country is covered under the same plan, and everyone receives the best medical care available in the whole world. Coverage will be a tax-free employee benefit for everyone who works 10 or more hours a year and/or fully deductible for the self employed. Poor people will of course pay nothing.

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Everybody gets a pony.

And we shall call it “Single-Payer”.

Now doesn’t that sound perfect? Okay, obviously that idea is unworkable. There is just no way that everyone is getting a pony. But that other stuff is cool, right?

I admit I was once a big-government liberal. Obama soured me on the Democratic party but it was Obamacare that made me realize that big-government liberalism DOES NOT WORK.

First of all, big-government liberalism (aka “Progressivism”) is utopian. It is premised on the idea that we can use government to make the world a perfect place. When the people are properly enlightened the whole world will live together in peace, harmony and prosperity without the need for religion. Once 100% enlightenment is achieved government will be obsolete, but until that day come government needs to guide people to enlightenment. To each according to his ability, from each according to his need.

In order to create a system of universal, affordable-for-all healthcare you need to have government involved even if they are not in control. Some people can’t afford healthcare. Some people cannot afford all the healthcare they need. Others can afford more health care than they need. A lucky few can’t afford healthcare but don’t need any.

Socialized medicine is where the government runs health care. All the hospitals and clinics are owned collectively by the people (i.e the government) and all doctors and other health care professionals are public employees who work for the government. (Obamacare is not socialized medicine. It’s even worse than that.)

In theory, Single-Payer is not socialized medicine because the hospitals and clinics are privately owned and the doctors and other health care professionals are either self-employed or they work for private medical companies. In practice you still have a government-enforced monopoly controlling health care.

We can, thru government, force those who can afford to pay more to subsidize those who can pay less or pay nothing. Socialized medicine and Single-Payer both do that. So does Obamacare. On the other hand, so did the system that existed before Obamacare.

And that is the dirty little secret of healthcare reform.

The problem was never really the availability of healthcare and/or healthcare insurance. The problem with our healthcare system (then and now) is COST. We spend too much money for the amount and quality of healthcare we receive. WAY TOO MUCH of the money we spend on healthcare goes to things other than providing healthcare.

Obamacare DOES NOTHING to control healthcare costs. It doesn’t guarantee you will be able to find a doctor nor does it do anything to ensure that if you find a doctor you will receive proper care.

Obamacare GUARANTEES healthcare insurance company profits.



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82 Responses to You Get A Pony, He Gets A Pony, Everybody Gets A Pony!

  1. The Klown says:

    This post is an example of what happens when you are rolling along and then someone or something interrupts your train of thought and afterwards you can’t find that train again.

  2. HELENK3 says:


    read my link to Ace of Spades. look at the plan for health care in this country

    per Ace of Spades there is a 6th gruber video. the man who found the videos says it will get worse

  3. piper says:

    Today at my knitting group, 2 women were discussing obamacare and how many people have been helped since its inception. Tried to point out the problems and was scorned / called a republican. They’re so deep into the den. speaking bull that they can’t see the problems. Since I like the group and enjoy knitting I decided to only talk about non-political matters. They also hate Scott Walker but can’t understand that the dems. ran a very weak candidate, snowboarder Mary Burke. They saw no problem with a rich woman choosing to relax / partying for 2 years. The reason she lost was all the money those evil Koch brothers poured into our state refusing to believe that the unions, planned parenthood and Steyer poured tons of money into ad buys for her. We even had Bill C. cut an ad for her plus the big four compaigned for her.
    End of rant.

    • Somebody says:

      I had a similar conversation today, but instead of obamacare it was more in the OWS vein and of course the election of the eeeevil R’s……must be in the air.

    • cynic says:

      That’s the very reason why I quit going to my knitting group. There are a few outspoken ones, and I was afraid that I couldn’t keep my mouth shut, and would get in a heated discussion with them.

      Were people always this outspoken or am I just tuned in to it more?

    • 49erDweet says:

      Some Wisconsinites are very special. I think it’s the water.

  4. HELENK3 says:

    what is going on here? is this why the foot dragging by the backtrack bunch wait until all the witnesses are dead?

  5. Somebody says:

    OK Klown I’m confused because it seems you’re conflating some things. You can’t have a socialized system where the people collectively own all the hospitals and clinics (UK type system) and also have a system where all the doctors are self-employed or work for private medical companies.

    The VA would be a homegrown example of a UK type system and should be a good indication of how well our government could run such a system.

    Medicare would be a good example of the second type system, which is actually socialized insurance or socialized coverage. In countries with this type system doctors are still free agents but the entire population basically has medicare.

    Which system are you advocating? They are completely different. I can’t have a cogent debate until I know what it is you’re proposing. I’m intimately familiar with a variety of health care systems and each has their pros and cons. There is also a lot more to the debate than simply costs. There are a myriad of reasons that costs go up, but there is also the fact that medical costs have risen much faster than incomes which is also squeezing so many. There are a lot of pieces to the puzzle.

  6. The Klown says:

    Gruber 6.0:

    In those 2011 remarks, Gruber said that, despite the fact that most members of his profession agree employer-based health insurance tax breaks were bad policy, “it turns out politically it’s really hard to get rid of.”

    He said that the Affordable Care Act helped to do away with this system in two ways. The first, “by mislabeling it, calling it a tax on insurance plans rather than a tax on people when we all know it’s a tax on people who hold those insurance plans.” And secondly, by delaying the implementation of this tax until 2018. “But by starting it late, we were able to tie the cap for Cadillac Tax to CPI, not medical inflation,” Gruber said.

    “This was the only political way we were ever going to take on what is one of the worst public policies in America, and every economist should celebrate this,” Gruber insisted.

    “It’s on the books now,” Gruber added of the 2018 implementation deadline at which point he anticipated employers and unions would seek to have this tax repealed. “At that point, if they want to get rid of it they’re going to have to fill a trillion dollar hole in the deficit.”

    Tapper concluded by noting why Gruber’s latest remarks expose even more duplicity on the part of the White House in their effort to pass Obamacare:

    When the Cadillac tax was first rolled out, it was explained by Obamacare backers as a tax that would only impact those with “high end plans” — not all employer sponsored plans. A White House economic adviser in 2009 set “the record straight” by saying “the excise tax levied on insurance companies for high-premium plans, the so-called ‘Cadillac tax,’ will affect only a small portion of the very highest cost health plans — a total of 3% of premiums in 2013.”

  7. The Klown says:

    FRIDAY WTF: 21 Year Old Spoiled Brat Daughter Sues Parents For College Tuition And WINS:

    • elliesmom says:

      Since when do your parents owe you a college education? It’s great when they can help, and they do, but it’s a gift, not a duty.

      • Jadzia says:

        Hope this doesn’t become California law. My teenager is getting Cs and Ds in school, but insists that he is ENTITLED to go to college (and he clearly means one of those 5-year-party type schools) because “it will be the time of his life” and “he would feel deprived if he didn’t go.”

        Not that I’m knocking college, but I am ready to put my own head through the wall from the frustration of trying to explain to him that sometimes it makes sense to take a year or two off after high school, to get some real-world experience and firm up what it is that you want to do. Which may or may not be college. Tbh, he is exactly the kind of kid who would benefit from a few years in the military. It certainly straightened my younger brothers out; both of them were drifting through life before they enlisted. Although only one of them turned it into a career (he’ll have his 20 years very soon), they both ended up productive members of society, and that’s not exactly the track they had been on before.

        BTW, all this is coming from somebody who has a nice-sized college savings account earmarked specifically for this kid. That I would happily use for college if he earned that privilege through, I don’t know, DOING HIS HOMEWORK and getting decent grades. Or I would happily use it for trade school. Or to get him started in a business.

        Unfortunately, he has a dad who thinks that anything other than going straight to college from high school is an option fit only for peasants and “white trash” (his words, not mine) like me and my family. Mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to marry a lawyer….

        I just don’t want to waste (and that’s what it would be) my extremely hard-earned savings on a college education for a kid who isn’t mature enough to benefit from it and who literally has no idea what he wants to do other than be rich and famous.

        None of my other kids (i.e., the ones live here full-time) are like this, and the entire experience is making me begin to believe that nurture might be more important than nature.

        • The Klown says:

          If he joins the military he can save for college while having the time of his life. Some of my best stories come from my service time in Germany.

        • Jadzia says:

          I know, right? But we both know that the advent of the all-volunteer military quickly transformed military service into something that was primarily for “those people.” I’m proud of my brothers; my son and his dad and that side of the family believe themselves too good to serve.

        • Jadzia says:

          Wish I had an edit button. Unfortunately, the kid’s got no reason to save for college–I have a 529 account for him and the other side of the family is pretty wealthy. If I tried to temporarily withhold the money (to get him to at least take a year off), number one I would be dragged into court so fast my head would spin, and/or number two the other side of the family would just pay the bill in full (making sure that he knows that I don’t love him enough to want him to be educated or some foolishness like that). The kid leads a consequences-free life, which is pretty scary stuff.

    • DandyTIger says:

      Best part is the daughter’s going to an out of state school, that costs even more. So a NJ law makes the divorced couple pay for out of state school for a daughter that no longer talks to the parents. An interesting legal question would be, what if the parents both move out of NJ? Then no one lives in NJ, neither parent nor the adult daughter. How then could NJ order them, say living in VA, to pay for a daughter going to school in NY (or wherever she’s going)?

      • Somebody says:

        Actually I’m pretty sure PA doesn’t charge out of state tuition, in fact it’s the only state that doesn’t as far as I know.

        • mothy67 says:

          PA does– Temple is 15K in-state/25 out-of-state

          • Somebody says:

            Maybe it’s only one or two schools? It’s either UPenn or Penn state or something with Penn in the name that has an asterisk by their name in one of the college ranking lists. The asterisk says they don’t charge out of state tuition. I guess I thought it was all schools but perhaps it’s a particular school, but I’m not sure which one except that it had PA in the name.

      • The Klown says:

        That reminds me of my civ pro final exam.

    • Jadzia says:

      Boy, I sure wish I had known about this judge when my college money (that I personally earned) ran out and I had to drop out of college (and ended up couch-surfing homeless for several months to boot).

  8. The Klown says:

    Rich Lowry:

    Complexity is a staple of liberal policymaking. It is a product of its scale and reach, but also of the imperative to hide the ball. Taxing and spending and redistributive schemes tend to be unpopular, so clever ways have to be found to deny that they are happening. This is what Gruber was getting at. One reason Obamacare was so convoluted is that its supporters didn’t want to straightforwardly admit how much the law was raising taxes and using the young and healthy to subsidize everyone else.

    Gruber crowed about the exertions undertaken to make an unpopular tax on expensive health-insurance plans, the so-called Cadillac tax, more palatable. It was levied on employers instead of employees. No one realized, Gruber explained, that the tax would be functionally the same even if not directly imposed on workers. This wasn’t a one-off deception. This kind of sleight of hand is crucial to the progressive project, which always involves imposing taxes, regulations, and mandates at one remove from the average person so he or she won’t realize that the costs are passed down regardless.

    Most liberals would never come out and call Americans stupid in a public forum, as Gruber did. But the debate between conservatives and liberals on health-care policy and much else comes down to how much average Americans can be trusted to make decisions on their own without the guiding, correcting hand of government. An assumption that Americans are incompetent is woven into the Left’s worldview. It is reluctant to entrust individuals with free choice for fear they will exercise it poorly and irresponsibly.

  9. SHV says:

    “Obamacare GUARANTEES healthcare insurance company profits.”
    The Repub. vs Dems on Obama care is street theater. I looked at the 5 year stock charts on “health care” corps, Wellpoint, Unitedhealth, Aetna, Cigna, etc. and they look pretty much the same. Beginning about mid-2012, when PPAHC begins to kick in, the stock prices go up at about a 45 degree angle. Politicians of both “Parties” will continue to get their bribes to continue the fraud until Obamacare financially implodes in 2019-20.

    It appears that the money goes to both parties equally, with a slight trend to the Repubs. As an example, BCBS, top reciepients were Peters(D), Alexander(R), Boehner(R), Begich(D), McConnell(R).

    • Somebody says:

      That was just this last election cycle, look back a couple of years ago and you’ll see the dems were getting most of the money. Big companies like that know how to read trends, they saw the handwriting on the wall and decided to hedge their bets. It’s disgusting no matter who gets the money. Honestly if you stop to think about it, that money could have gone to medical care for patients or it could have gone to lower premiums.

    • 1539days says:

      But to be fair, not one Republican voted for final passage of Obamacare.

  10. 49erDweet says:

    OT. My honey is really smart. (In spite of falling for me). Years ago she start giving cheap tool kits as graduation, etc. gifts to young-uns first time heading out on their own. Over the years her kids, nieces, nephews, etc., have regailed her with stories of how tools in those kits have rescued them in time of need. Which leads me to Harbor Freight’s latest sale. 105 household tools – everything you can possibly imagine – in a 4 drawer latching chest for 39.99. In time for Christmas. Who said there’s no Santa?

  11. The Klown says:

    AofSHQ is on fire today:

    Sean Hannity Responds to a Jon Stewart Criticism

    I guess I should say, Sean Hannity DESTROYS Jon Stewart.

    Stewart had said of Hannity, in a Rolling Stone interview, that Hannity is “probably the most loathsome dude” at Fox, and that everything Hannity says is presented in the most “devious” way possible.

    Hannity responded:

    “Nearly 50 million Americans on food stamps, nearly 50 million in poverty, the lowest labor participation rate since 1978, and Jon’s beloved president who once said George Bush’s debt was ‘irresponsible and unpatriotic’ has almost accumulated more debt then every other President before him combined,” Hannity wrote. “Do I even need to remind him about keeping our doctors, our health plans and saving money? And how is that healthcare website working out? Or Iraq, ISIS, the ‘Russian reset’?”
    “Jon’s problem is he has his head so far up Obama’s ass he cannot see clearly, he is obviously better suited to reading his joke writers’ material, and making his clapping-seal audience happy,” Hannity continued.

    “I await another Rally to Restore Sanity with Fatwa supporter Cat Stevens!!” he said, referring to the event that Stewart and Stephen Colbert hosted in Washington, D.C., in 2010.”

  12. The Klown says:


    Just to set the table here: It is widely, almost universally, acknowledged that not taxing insurance policies is a bad idea that leads to distortions and inefficiencies (and incidentally is a case of the government picking “winners and losers,” and dictating what form employee payments should take).

    So as a general matter, I think we’d probably like to get rid of the tax exempt status for health care benefits.

    Note that McCain proposed doing just that in the 2008 election. His idea was that we would get rid of this exemption and instead give people an additional tax credit valued at the average cost of health insurance. Thus, people would be held harmless by the change, but we’d get rid of this government-made distortion in how employers pay their employees.

    Barack Obama, get this, demagogued that plan and accused McCain of wanting to increase taxes on people.

    And meanwhile, he schemed to achieve the same thing, except without that part about giving people an additional tax credit which would offset increased taxes, and, get this, without telling people he was getting rid of the tax exemption.

    Once again — subverting democracy by completely destroying the concept of Consent of the Governed.

    What Gruber says Obamacare was meant to do is this: In its first few years, it will impose a massive — 40% — tax on “Cadillac plans,” thus taxing them at a high rate. Thus getting rid of the exemption for such plans.

    Initially, only 8% of plans would be so affected.

    But here’s the thing: The level at which you will be socked with this 40% tax will only go up, year by year, based upon the slow-moving CPI, rather than the fast-moving rate of medical inflation, which is of course what the yearly adjustment really ought to be pegged to, given that this is a medical expense, and not an ordinary consumer expense.

    Net result? As the years pass, more and more health insurance plans will be wacked by the 40% tax, because it will not be adjusted by much each year; and ultimately, virtually all plans will be subject to it.

    Thus, the health care plan tax exemption will be repealed. Not in the way McCain proposed — which included Fair Warning to the voter, as well as a tax-credit offset which would hold taxpayers harmless in the change.

    No — the health care plan tax exemption will be repealed by, get this, stealth and trickery.

    And that’s coming. The law is already written. Every year, the “Cadillac plan” level will get lower and lower (well, it will go slowly upwards, but the costs of medical treatment will go up faster than it does), and more and more plans — ordinary, run-of-the-mill plans — will be deemed “Cadillac plans” and thus taxed at a 40% rate.

    And employers will, naturally, stop offering them. They don’t want to pay a 40% rate.

    And thus, without the public ever agreeing to it, private medical insurance is effectively ended in the United States.

    And this was all part of the plan.

    Kept secret from you.

    • Propertius says:

      That’s not quite true. Private insurance won’t end – employer-paid private health insurance will end. Private health insurance will still be around, but you’ll be forced to buy it with after-tax dollars, whether you want it or not. And, of course, your employer is certainly not going to pass the benefit dollars on to you in increased salary.

      • Propertius says:

        The end result of this is:

        1) The government gets more money
        2) Employers get more money
        3) Health insurance companies get more money
        4) *You* get less money – but then you don’t really count, now do you?

  13. The Klown says:

    GruberGate II

    Peter Orzag, Obama’s Budget Director in 2009, Lauds “Cadillac Plan” Tax Chicanery As More “Viable” Than Other Possibilities

    So Obama cannot claim he didn’t know. Peter Orzag talks about Obamcare phasing out the health care exemption, through the deceptive means of indexing the “Cadillac Plan” threshold to slow-growing CPI rather than fast-moving (and accurate) rate of medical inflation.

    He also states that they went about phasing out the health care exemption because certain people — unnamed, but he means Obama — had demagogued McCain’s honest discussion of ending the exemption (replacing it with a tax credit), and, as Orzag says, to now embrace an honest plan like McCain’s would be “awkward.”

    So instead they lied.

    So this is what happened:

    In the 2008 campaign, McCain took the gutsy step of arguing in favor of repealing the health care exemption — gusty, because while most Pointy Heads agreed this would make the best policy, most people just say “You’re gonna tax my health insurance?!”

    And note McCain offered a $10,000 or so tax credit in the deal — so that most people would not experience any negative tax consequences from the change in the law.

    Obama ran against this and demagogued McCain on the issue. He promised he would not tax your health insurance.

    As soon as he’s elected, Obama begins scheming as to how he can tax people’s health insurance — this time, not bothering to offer the $10,000 tax credit, which would make people net-neutral on the deal. He wants to tax them more. So no tax credit.

    And since he just got done demagoguing the issue, he has to do it secretly. So he gets together with Orzag and Gruber to repeal the exemption over the course of years, as the “Cadillac Plan” threshold fails to keep pace with actual inflation.

    So where are we now? Well, according to Gruber, we are 20 years away from all plans being taxed at 40% rate, which means that most employers won’t offer them, and will just dump people on to the government exchanges.

    They’ll give people some cash in lieu of health care– which will be taxed (unlike the health care benefits, making the middle class triple losers on the deal).

    And the MSM is embargoing this, instead choosing to talk about Kim Kardashian’s asshole.

  14. The Klown says:

    • 1539days says:

      Bonjino was filling in on Hannity’s radio show today and talked to soem Demcoratic party hack. After asking him about Gruber, the hack referred to him as an “idiot.” Bonjino then played the clip of Max Baucus talking about how Gruber was an MIT economist and how all of his numbers were the result of extensive research and were so important to “explaining” to CBO how Obamacare would reduce costs. The Democratic hack was flip-flopping like a fish out of water over that.

      • leslie says:

        I wish I’d heard that – – – except I really cannot listen to Hannity. So I have to say “Thank you” for that summary.

  15. HELENK3 says:

    the part that gets me the most on the gruber tapes is that one man who had some questions about obamacare found all this. the msm had it’s head to far up backtrack’s ass to even look or question

  16. HELENK3 says:

    from Senator Ted Cruz

  17. mcnorman says:

    Obamacare GUARANTEES healthcare insurance company profits.

    The unadulterated truth. It’s called extortion in other circles.

  18. The Klown says:

    I just watched Monuments Men. When I first saw the previews I thought it sounded stupid. It has Clooney and Damon in it and their more recent movies have mostly sucked. As a general rule I despise Hollywood versions of history.

    I must say it was a good movie. They mangled the history a little and added some drama, but all in all it is definitely worth watching.

  19. HELENK3 says:

    Editor’s note: St. Louis Post-Dispatch has obtained and released Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson’s radio calls and police station surveillance videos from the day Michael Brown was shot. They appear to show the Wilson’s encounter with Brown was brief. – @stltoday – Jimmy

  20. 1539days says:

    Dedicated to the creators of Romneycare / Obamacare

  21. Lulu says:

    The Dems in Congress are starting to waffle on immigration which is making the White House nervous. Sen Sessions will nickel and dime them through the budget process on everything he doesn’t like starting in January. Pro-amnesty Boehner is being out maneuvered by Sessions (who is privately counseled by Ted Cruz who is whipping the House Republicans) in the House. Senate Dems say they want the amnesty edict after the budget which has deadline of 12/15 but Bronco has already been drawing “red” lines which don’t line up with reality. Dirty Hairy Reid has thrown Obama’s flunky attorney general pick to the wolves in January in payback. He may do it with the budget too with a continuing resolution to fund the government through the party switcharoo come January to save Dem Senators who are up in 2016 from having to vote on more Bronco failures since that is what wiped them out in 2014.

    The WH internal rationalizing is bizarre and delusional. “Senior administration officials have said they’re concerned about the Republican backlash, but they’ve concluded from the election that voters want results from Washington. The positive response this week to Obama’s landmark deal with China to cut greenhouse gas emissions, officials said, supports their conclusion that Obama can’t hold back because of fears over how the unilateral actions would be received by Republicans.” The denial and magical thinking in this paragraph is scary.

  22. DeniseVB says:

    So why don’t these ladies take their street show to Tehran ? That would impress me 😀

  23. DeniseVB says:

    Good, someone went there……..

  24. driguana says:

    everybody pony….

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