Scandal? What Scandal?


Media Matters:

Fox Devoted 57 Segments To Manufactured ACA Scandal

This week Fox News devoted at least 57 segments to scandalizing MIT economist Jonathan Gruber’s statement that the Affordable Care Act (ACA) “was written in a tortured way” in a renewed effort to delegitimize the passage of health care reform.

Gruber, who helped craft and provided data for various ACA provisions, can be heard in a recently surfaced video saying that the health care law “was written in a tortured way” to minimize criticism. Gruber was making the innocuous observation that Congress often crafts legislation to fit rules and politically acceptable limits, and in the case of the ACA, Congress went on to transparently debate the law for years.

But Fox News seized on Gruber’s comment to manufacture a scandal surrounding the ACA’s passage, pretending his remarks show the law was passed deceitfully. According to a Media Matters count, this week alone the network devoted at least 57 segments to trumpeting this fictional account.

Of course, as New York Times economics correspondent Neil Irwin explained, Gruber’s comment illustrated the “completely commonplace” way that “Congress makes policy of all types.” Irwin went on, “Legislators frequently game policy to fit the sometimes arbitrary conventions by which the Congressional Budget Office evaluates laws and the public debates them.”

The Senate held years of bipartisan hearings on health care reform before the ACA was passed, explaining in part why, as The New Republic described, the debate over the health care law was “one of the most transparent in recent memory,” and why the law was so difficult to pass.

Scandal? What scandal? Nothing to see here!

Move along!

But wait! There’s more!

Obama: US public not misled on health care law

President Barack Obama says the American public was not misled about certain provisions of his health care law.

A newly surfaced video shows an adviser in the law’s drafting, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, saying “the stupidity of the American voter” helped Democrats pass the complex legislation. Gruber made the comment in 2013 but it is adding to conservatives’ current call to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

Obama says there was no provision of the health care law that was not extensively debated and was not fully transparent.

Who are you gonna believe, Obama or your lying eyes?

My bullshit detector just burst into flames.

Seriously, this pisses me off. It’s not the lying that bothers me, I’ve come to expect that from Obama and his cultists. But when they lie to my face so egregiously it’s an insult.


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87 Responses to Scandal? What Scandal?

  1. The Klown says:

    It’s surreal.

    It’s like there is an elephant in the living room. You see it with your own eyes. You can touch it and smell it. But when you say something about it, everyone else is like “What elephant?”

    For a second you doubt your own sanity. Then you get angry. “I’m not fucking stupid!”

    • Somebody says:

      Yep they’re gaslighting us or at least trying to.

      • leslie says:

        I’ve been saying that forever or at least since bronco exploded onto the scene.
        Do you know how many people don’t know what “gaslighting” means? My spell checker doesn’t even have it in its lexicon. Stoopid spellchecker.

    • Constance says:

      Well like Gruber said, Progressives really believe we are stupid. And most people still in the Obama cult are stupid. But this media conspiracy to hush up or normalize Grubers behavior is just giving the media a worse reputation. They wonder why they lose viewers and subscribers….well there just aren’t that many people who pay to consume bullsh!t.

      • fif says:

        That’s the real travesty. Despite Obama’s claims to be Uber-Transparent, we are all now quite clear that he’s a serial liar. The issue is the collaborative press, racing to hide, ignore and suppress constant manipulation, corruption and deceit. Then again, we saw it all through the 2008 campaign. The truth is what we say it is based on our own elitist agenda. Now shut up you rac*st idiots.

    • Oh, there’s an elephant in the living room alright. So-called stupid US voters elected it by the pound just two weeks ago. Time will tell if this security hedge will prove successful. Boehner ain’t Newt and McConnell ain’t Bob Dole, that’s for sure.

      • Somebody says:

        Amen to that Lola, it seems they’re already looking to give in on amnesty. I don’t really think it’s because they’re afraid of Obama, I think it’s more to please their paymasters. It’s certainly not to please the people that just gave them the majority because it’s abundantly clear they don’t want amnesty and expect the R’s to fight it.

      • foxyladi14 says:

        Far from it Lola. 😡

    • swanspirit says:

      Obama’s “I did not mislead Americans about healthcare ” is now up there with ” I did not have sex with that woman ” ; and ” I am not a crook ” on the scale of lies told by Presidents .
      Which for some reason brings to mind this other quote by a President
      “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”

    • swanspirit says:

      There are a whole lotta Elephants in the rooms now .. tee hee that is what is pissin Obola off lol , and they are very real .

  2. The Klown says:

    President Barack Obama says the American public was not misled about certain provisions of his health care law.

    “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.”

    • abc says:

      Seriously, YES. If he says we weren’t duped, then obviously WE. WERE. DUPED.

    • Erin says:

      “…the American public was not misled about certain provisions…” That’s a lovely honest qualitative answer. It also means that we were lied to about certain other provisions.

  3. DandyTIger says:

    They’re not trying to fool people that have a brain and see what’s in front of them. They’re trying to keep their cult members from straying. Those cult members will never see the video, but might inadvertently talk to someone who has. So they need to inoculate them.

  4. DandyTIger says:

    MSNBC is following suit with Fox Matters, and telling their audience there’s nothing to see here.

    I’m not surprised they’re saying there isn’t an elephant in the room, I’m mostly sad that there are still people so drunk on the kool-aid that they nod to the BS and go back to their chanting.

    • Well, that, and “Oh, nuance!” That NYT Neil Irwin alluded to in the MM article is a spectacle of Orwellian proportions. It can be summarized thusly:

      “Trust me, I talked to this guy for hours and hours, and he’s on the level. You can tell because he uses econo-centic lingo like econometrics. Plus, he is an MIT professor, so his credentials are rock-solid. Finally, he was just saying what you already know: Washington is riddled with cheats and liars, so that’s why it’s okay if our side does it. It’s the only way we win this war, baby!”

  5. The Klown says:

    “We are praying for an indictment. To me that would mean that (police) did do their investigation fairly and it was unbiased,” Brown’s mother, Lesley McSpadden, said.


  6. DeniseVB says:

    I think Media Matters is worse at Foxsplaining than the Voxsplaining guys. They need to read this well researched article by Clarice Feldman…..BOOM ! MM owes Soros a refund 😉

  7. leslie says:

    I’m sick of all of this: ISIS, Gruber, McSpadden/Brown/Ferguson, Ebola, Obola, IRS, Benghazi, Iran, Holder, DOJ, SOS, etc., etc., etc. I’m gonna go spend some time with the grandbabies.

  8. lyn says:

    Politicians who lie should have the tips of their tongues sliced down the middle. They are snakes.

  9. abc says:

    Ooooh, the minions over at Media Matters are rilly-rilly riled! Apparently the Gruber thing is getting to them….

  10. mothy6767 says:

    How naive are these people? They are attempting damage control before knowing what is yet to come. I assume releasing one video at a time and then dumping two on Friday guaranteeing that Sunday shows will cover and bring out the spin then drop another.

    • fif says:

      Just someone else in the neighborhood. They should tape and pull the same audio talking points off the shelf for every single person that gets thrown under the bus. It would save them a lot of time.

    • angienc says:

      Of course he never “worked on our staff” — if he had, he would have been a member of staff not a consultant paid a $400,000 k consultant fee.
      The dumb Obots, most of whom have never held a real job in their lives, of course don’t understand the difference.

      • Lulu says:

        “Contractor” like Gruber have contracts that read like “public sector employee!!!” rules. Grubie has violated almost all of them.

  11. SHV says:

    Friday news dump:
    “WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Friday unveiled data showing that many Americans with health insurance bought under the Affordable Care Act could face substantial price increases next year — in some cases as much as 20 percent — unless they switch plans. “…..

    “‘Consumers should shop around,” said Marilyn B. Tavenner, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which runs the federal insurance exchange serving three dozen states. ”With new options available this year, they’re likely to find a better deal.” She asserted that the data showed that ”the Affordable Care Act is working.”

    The “better” deals double the deductibles and further restrict drug coverage and physician/hospital network.

  12. mothy6767 says:

    Not sure what government or private program is behind this but all the different neighborhoods around me each gotten a slew of people immigrating from the same country. My borough went from zero people from Nepal to over twenty in the last two years. I can understand groupings who is co-ordinating it and how do you as a refugee get a home and small business immediately. My tiny hamlet has a population of less than 10,000 but suddenly has 5 Nepal businesses. Guy I spoke with is crying racist because the places are losing money. Hmmmm? After a softball game I am taking twenty girls out for a treat do I go to the new frozen yogurt place or to the local place that sponsors a team. Frozen yogurt is a franchise and all they sell is yoghurt. Six businesses went under in the same location but somehow it is a racist community at fault. I looked into the franchise and I would need at least a hundred grand to open the doors. Two others are convenience stores without parking two blocks from stores that have parking. I walked into one last summer with my brat and asked for a lighter– in front of a then 6 year old girl he offered me one which got undressed. Uncool. The other two cater to customers from Nepal.
    I am going to give my business to people I know or who support the schools.
    Somehow these legal immigrants came flush with cash to open a shop. Suppose one of our betters from Harvard is trying to force replicate the Greek diners Irish pub model. Blinded by their own sheer genius they do not look at the simple fact that no one lasts in these spaces.
    No business acumen blame it on racism.
    These people are legal and I enjoy their company. Do not get how they all live together.Close knit is an understatement.
    Pup did me proud. Teacher told me she moved monster next to Dyksha who is from Nepal next to Shay because in her 18 years of teaching she has never seen a child exhibiting so much empathy. Punk finishes her work then guides Dyksha through it. Told me the first day she embraced her and she,the teacher, heaved a sigh of relief. I may have let a tear slip but the teacher bawled. I may have skipped home.

  13. votermom says:

    Blog post from the lady who made the shirt for Comet guy.
    Apparently it was a birthday gift from her to him.

    • mothy6767 says:

      None of my business but I keep hearing about Temple in the news and it made me reflect on my college choices. I would have stayed in the corn fields of Purdue over urban blight. Drexel is more expensive than out of state. I have 9 years to amass 250k for school. Scary stuff I have a 529 or 7 account so at this point I think I have one year covered at a state school. My goal is 100/wk that should cover tuition, room and board and texts. Should she decide to go to a private school the money can be applied but only for what it is right now I buy instate tuition at today’s price.
      Give Penn State another look Great bargain and will not be loaded up in debt so graduate school is more feasible.
      I looked at the texts from the New School and my local community college. Same books.

  14. DeniseVB says:

    TMZ has a politics division ? Hee, hee.

  15. swanspirit says:

    What does a liar do , when caught in a lie? We know the answer to this, we have known it since childhood and encountered our first childhood liars .Still , it is astounding to see the depth and breadth of the lies of this Liar In Chief, and the lengths to which he will go to stretch the truth , and the liars with which he surrounds himself .
    I know some of you think Astrology is silly ; but Obola has the LIAR FROM HELL aspect in his natal chart , just sayin …

  16. 1539days says:

    The Orwell parallels are frightening. In 1984, Winston’s job was to rewrite history in books that were periodically retrieved from citizens to make sure the government wasn’t caught in a lie. Now, you don’t even need that. Almost every book or publication is now available on the internet. Not only the White House, but media outlets have scrubbed content surreptitiously from online articles to make themselves look more accurate.

    Fox had Sharyl Attkisson and Melissa Francis on today. Both were admonished by their bosses (CBS and CNBC) over their supposed disrespect toward the presidency. We are disturbingly close to a tipping point where media companies and their employees (actors) are influencing politics and our lives as Americans.

  17. DeniseVB says:

    True story…… 😉

  18. fif says:

    This sudden assault on Cosby is bizarre. If these allegations have been around for years, isn’t it rather strange that they are now front page news in the wake of one comments bit and his willingness to be politically incorrect? If it’s true, awful, but it is all very suspicious.

    The stunning fall of America’s dad

    • 1539days says:

      I don’t want to dismiss those charges out of hand, but I don’t have to. It’s not for the media to try Cosby. That’s why we have courts. Either this woman is trying to get anyone to listen to her story of the horrible thing that happened to her, or she’s trying to get famous. Either way, public shaming is becoming the new form of vigilante justice.

  19. DeniseVB says:

    Meanwhile, back in Missouri ….. seems you can never find a snow shovel truck when ya need one.

  20. The Klown says:

    • swanspirit says:

      They can’t have it both ways , if you call yourself a Christian or a Jew, and commit some offense , have some extreme opinion , or take some whacked out stance on something , for some inexplicable reason you are still a Christian or a Jew . No one goes about saying ,”well they are not really true Christians or Jews “, but , once again , I guess we have different rules for true followers of Islam .

  21. HELENK3 says:

    so her loyalty was to backtrack, not the people she was supposed to represent
    good to know

    • swanspirit says:

      Thank you Senator Gillibrand , for admitting you are part of the elitist upper class that knows so much better than the “Stupid Americans” , so you have to lie to us poor peons to give us what we don’t want because it is better for us , because we are just too stupid to know better .

      • 1539days says:

        Gillibrand was using that “junk insurance” excuse again. Obamacare is supposed to be awesome because it covers cheap things like birth control, screening exams and giant health care bills. Let’s look at this.

        If you are on an exchange, your plan costs are about $7,000 (unless you are under 30). That’s about a quarter million dollars for nothing until you reach retirement. You can find out if you have cancer or diabetes or high blood pressure for free. If you have them, however, you will have to pay a percentage of those medical costs up to about $7,500. If you have anything that is chronic, you will pay that full amount plus the co-pays. If you make it to retirement, you might get Medicare, but it’s not looking too god anymore.

        If you qualify for Medicaid, your premiums and co-pays are covered by the state. You’re in the same boat as before, except all the doctors with any prospects will quit in a few years. Plus, you can only see Medicaid doctors. You’d continue to vote Democrat.

        The caveat is that if the Supreme Court says you can’t go on Medicaid because your state does not have an exchange, all hell will break loose. Nearly half of all state are Republican controlled and they will continue to be if the feds can’t offer potential Democratic voters free stuff anymore.

    • mothy67 says:

      Why I cannot support Hillary. She knew and either she shares his distaste for the American people or after years of working on health care reform she is clueless. Either way I think she is unfit.

  22. The Klown says:

    There is no difference between men and women. It’s a cultural artifact


    Fortunately for us stogy old conservatives, there is a great deal of scientific evidence that proves, yes, men and women are different. Physically, the differences are obvious. Men are generally bigger, stronger and faster than women. That’s not to say that an individual woman might not be bigger, faster or stronger than an individual man, but as a group they are not. The 400 meter world record time for women is held by Marita Koch, who did the quarter mile in 47.60 seconds. That’s damn fast, Ms. Koch is at the absolute pinnacle, the best of the best. However, a high school boy, Darrell Robinson, covered the same distance in 44.69 seconds, and he’s not the best of the best ( The mens world record is 43.18 seconds, held by Michael Johnson). As of the last time I saw figures, 20 women had attempted the U.S. Army Ranger school. Only 3 made it past the first day, and none finished the course. Please note, this is not a criticism of those women who are fine, brave, determined people, any one of whom I’m sure could kick my ass. No matter their dedication and determination, however, none of them was physically able to complete a course that 80% of infantry man are able to complete.

    On the other hand, in some ways women are physically superior to men. They generally have a higher threshold for pain. Most demonstrate superior dexterity. Again, while an individual man may have more pain tolerance or dexterity than an individual woman, as a group women have us beat in both categories. They have to give birth, right there is a far as you need to look in the pain front, however if you consider “traditional” womans activities,things like sewing, knitting, typing and crafts, as well as modern professions that women excel at such as lab work, all of them require a high degree of dexterity.


    So, all that being said, what’s the fundamental concept here? Even though there is a small (but vocal) minority denying the obvious (look above for the groups they belong to. They have an outsized impact on the culture), I think most people would admit that nothing I’ve said above is controversial or anything beyond obvious. True, but it is a principle that needs to be stated: Men and women ARE different. No, what’s more important is this concept:


    The problem starts when you look at differences between people, groups or genders through the warped lens of leftism. Leftism is poisoned by an absolute belief that any differences can only be explained through a framework of oppressor/victim. The women mention above who weren’t able to complete Ranger training must have failed because they are somehow oppressed. It can’t simply be because they don’t have the physical attributes necessary for the task. Different outcomes have only one possible explanation: an ism. Sexism, racism, tribalism, theism, whatever. There’s an ism for every day of the year, all of them serve the purpose of denying one jaw droppingly obvious truth: People are different. Cultures are different. Genders are different. What the leftest is absolutely unable to do is to accept the simple fact that different does not always mean one is better than the other*. They’re just….different. So what? How boring would the world be if nobody was any different from anyone else?

    So there’s the concept: Men and women are different, and it’s completely natural and a good thing.

  23. HELENK3 says:

    NYT PAGE ONE MONDAY: Obama admin and health insurance companies have ‘powerful, mutually beneficial partnership’… Developing…

    PAY UP…

    why is this not a surprise

  24. DeniseVB says:

    For lefty bloggers consumed with hating Fox News, they sure watch a lot of it, I’ll use NB’s link not to send traffic (blogger’s link is in the story). The gist, Fox uses scantily clad women to keep the old codgers who watch interested. Uses an old photo with Hooters girls back when Gretchen was still on Fox and Friends. Sad little blogger ….. be he hasn’t seen the latest numbers?

    • The Klown says:

      Progressive Puritans

    • 1539days says:

      Okay, first, what channels did profiles of Sarah Palin in 2008 that included grainy footage of her in a swimsuit for Miss Alaska. The answer is everyone BUT FOX. Next, other networks have uglier anchors due to the fact that Fox News is the big time and the more marketable talent goes there. MSNBC is so bereft of on-air talent most of their lineup is populated by old talk radio hosts and TV writers.

      Finally, arguing about Fox’s demographics is fairly worthless exercise. Any Fox show compared to MSNBC or CNN has a higher key demo audience than the other network’s ENTIRE audience. In other words, If CNN or MSNBC has 500,000 people of all ages watching a show, Fox may have 500,000 people just between the ages of 25-54 watching.

    • Constance says:

      That is a weird article, it repeats every paragraph at least once. The thing most people don’t realize is the Hooters segment on news channels is a paid ad. In terms of how much money Hooters makes you would have to look at how much they make selling food and how much they make selling franchises to men. I remember seeing a Hooters in Mall of America. The only men I know who like going to a mall are gay and have actual good taste in food and clothing. Making a profit from a restaurant is hard enough if you appeal to every one, if you actively repulse half of the potential customers it is unlikely you are going to make much money.

      What would sell in any mall is a restaurant featuring hunky guys, not wearing dopey outfits but something attractive, and a menu that served items between 350 and 500 calories.

      • 1539days says:

        But you have your consumer patterns wrong. Women (and gays) want to shop in a mall, not eat. If a guy does find himself at a mall, (which happens) especially during a game, what better place to wait than a sports bar right inside the mall?

        Hooters has 400 locations around the world, including 42 states. That’s better than Chik-fil-A. If the franchises were not successful, people wouldn’t be buying them.

    • 1539days says:

      The GOP is going after the Medicaid portions of Obamacare, which is actually the most like the way health insurance worked before. They don’t seem to worry much about people having to pay more for insurance, and have not told people that yes, they will have to pay more at some point.

      I think Republicans should start small if they replace Obamacare with their plan. Make insurance portable. Offer a tax credit (the McCain plan). Cap punitive lawsuit awards.

      Is there any cost control in Obamacare? No, because doctors were part of the smokescreen. Now, the ones who actually have patients are going to find the practice of medicine harder and harder.

      • leslie says:

        There is no cost control in Obamacare because the WH literally shut the doors on the doctors who had caravanned across the US promoting a single payer health care system rather than insurance company sponsored health care plans. Bronco left town the day their buses arrived in DC and they were shut out of the closed door meeting (that were “transparent”)

    • westcoaster says:

      feeding the squirrels…

      • The Klown says:

        The Ferguson mob painted themselves into a corner. That was all good before the election when the weather was still warm. Are they gonna riot in the snow now that it won’t help the Democrats’ GOTV? Will the friendly media coverage continue?

  25. The Klown says:

  26. HELENK3 says:

    here goes gruber again. now it is seniors who are stupid.

    Is there anyone in his tiny little mind that is not stupid? Considering that he keeps opening his mouth and inserting feet, seems to me he is the stupid one

    • 1539days says:

      I don’t wish ill on people in general, but it would be very interesting to see what would happen if Gruber had a chronic, debilitating disease and had to be thrown head first into the health care system, rather than the insurance market.

  27. Lulu says:

    Jonathan Gruber has been an “expert” for hire for a long time. His product is a proprietary speadsheet that he sells to game the numbers however the buyer wants them to float. Since it is proprietary (he presumably wrote it at MIT, is a professor, and it should be peer reviewed like NOW) he sells it over and over to whoever will come up with three to four hundred thousand dollars for rigged modeling via spreadsheet. Since he presumably wrote the code for the “model” he knows where to plug in data for rigged results and how to hide the fraud. He has been doing it for so long with so many programs related to healthcare (Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, who knows what else) and gotten away with it so long he got a little (okay a lot) cocky and ran his idiot mouth off. What he does has been an open secret to those in the know and those people meet at academic symposiums, left propaganda media meetings, and the Democratic run business end of siphoning off tax dollars for clout.

    Gruber’s sneering, geekboy, putdowns are the simple shit talking of a con who is very comfortable in his own environment. This is one of the ways the Democrat, progressive, crooks get rich or richer. Imagine video of the Wall Street bailout boyz if one existed. One of the reasons they were caught flatfooted is that they didn’t see anything wrong with what Gruber had done. It is HOW it is done for almost everything in their nasty world. Confidence men like Gruber and Obama think everyone except their cohorts is stupid because everyone is their mark. Notice that NO ONE in the Ivy League’s is criticizing Gruber. No one. This is their very simple, unsophisticated, carney scam. Not so smart. A rigged out Quickbooks spreadsheet run by a mouthy MIT geek looking for new marks.

  28. Lulu says:

    One of the things being left out about the appeal going to the Supreme Court on Obamacare exchanges, Gruber’s mouthy peek into the Pandora’s box of progressive intent, and the Dems attempt to ignore it all is brought up again in the following paragraph:
    “At the same time, it would mean that the requirement that employers provide insurance or pay a fine would be unenforceable in the states relying on the federal exchange. The reason is that the mandate is only triggered when a worker who is not offered coverage the Obama administration deems acceptable obtains subsidies to purchase insurance on an exchange.”

    The REASON states chose not to build nor participate in an exchange is that it exempts them from the employer mandate. This is forgotten or ignored by the media and both parties. It is a huge competitive edge for states who wish to attract jobs. Progressives like Gruber thought by offering “free” money in the form of subsidies and a few years of expanded Medicaid federal funding would be enough to force states into accepting the extortion implicit in Obamacare. This is why the upcoming Supreme Court case is so important although it is not being reported.

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