Chimps Are Human, A 20 Week Fetus Is Not


Just when you thought that things could not possibly get more absurd, they go and prove you wrong:

Judge’s ruling grants legal right to research chimps

In a decision that effectively recognizes chimpanzees as legal persons for the first time, a New York judge today granted a pair of Stony Brook University lab animals the right to have their day in court. The ruling marks the first time in U.S. history that an animal has been covered by a writ of habeus corpus, which typically allows human prisoners to challenge their detention. The judicial action could force the university, which is believed to be holding the chimps, to release the primates, and could sway additional judges to do the same with other research animals.

“This is a big step forward to getting what we are ultimately seeking: the right to bodily liberty for chimpanzees and other cognitively complex animals,” says Natalie Prosin, the Executive Director of the animal rights organization, the Nonhuman Rights Project (NhRP), which filed the case. “We got our foot in the door. And no matter what happens, that door can never be completely shut again.”


NARAL Colorado Not Fans of Bill That Would Criminalize the Murder of a Fetus

The nation was stunned by the vicious assault on Michelle Wilkins, a 26-year-old woman in Colorado whose unborn child was ripped from her womb while she answered a Craigslist ad for baby clothes. Even though her unborn child was killed in the attack, the attacker, Dynel Lane, would not face murder charges as it was uncertain whether or not the infant was alive outside of the womb. People were furious with this development, and a YouGov poll showed that vast majorities of people say that they feel the attack should have been classified as a murder. Colorado’s legislature is considering the “Crimes Against Pregnant Women Act,” which would allow for murder charges to be filed in a case like the attack on Wilkins.

Apparently the people of NARAL Colorado are not among the 76 percent who think that the attack was more than an assault. Earlier today, they tweeted this:


I can’t even.

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108 Responses to Chimps Are Human, A 20 Week Fetus Is Not

  1. votermom says:

    I guess it was surprise abortion without consent or something.

    • DeniseVB says:

      Wasn’t Scott Peterson charged with two murders for killing his pregnant wife ? From the wayback machine, 2003,

      Looks like several states already have similar laws in place, couldn’t get it passed as a federal law. Thanks NARAL.

      • 49erDweet says:

        To be fair, crimes against the person are almost always state’s issues. The usual way Fed law creeps in is where there is special AKA snowbird status involving the victim and any fool could plainly see the idiot state SHOULD have ruled a certain way, but didn’t..

  2. Dora says:

    Watch as This Abortion Advocate Sings a Disturbing Song: “Kill Your Unborn” 😦

  3. 1539days says:

    We have now broken the government. Anyone can ask for anything and the people who write and “interpret” the laws seem all too willing to allow it. I think in the Roman Empire men were allowed to marry their horses and look what happened to them.

    I remember back when they had to practice cognitive dissonance because contradictory ideas like these didn’t make sense together. The current generation is just senseless and it doesn’t even trigger their sense of something being wrong anymore.

    • Lulu says:

      They are fucked in the head and we need to say so. This warped stuff is coming from nihilists. Everyone is doomed because the nilhilists are mental cases. No. “You are doomed because you are a mental case” should be the response. The political correctness, passivity, and tolerance of nutters has got to end. Telling them that is stupid, crazy and no one has time to accommodate your hysteria because you are not special but sick and highly manipulative. A huge part of the hysterics power is their loony behavior which normal people want to avoid. Let them be outraged since that is the only way to get their synapses going. This cultural shift can be accomplished and the best example of beating the hysterics is gun ownership. Gun control is a massive Vile Prog failure. Gun ownership is way up. Gun rights tell people who are “triggered” by the sight of a gun to stay quiet in a dark room at home and to avoid gun ranges, police stations, and hunting shows on television.

      • swanspirit says:

        Yes they are fucked in the head. The synchronicity of what I am reading, Wild Swans ; is really surprising me!
        In the years of famine in China ,Chairman Mao changed an old Chinese proverb that said “No matter how capable, a woman cannot make a meal without food” to the new communist mantra “Capable women can make a meal without food”

        The author of Wild Swans goes on to say

        ” Exaggerated rhetoric had become concrete demands. impossible fantasies were supposed to become reality”…. and ” It was a time when telling fantasies to oneself as well as others, and believing them, was practiced to an incredible degree.

        Peasants moved crops from several plots of land to one plot to show Party officials that they had produced a miracle harvest. Similar “Potemkin Fields” were shown off to gullible- or self blinded – agricultural scientists, reporters, visitors from other regions, and foreigners. Although these crops generally died within a few days because of untimely transplantation and harmful density, the visitors did not know that, or did not want to know. A large part of the population was swept into this confused crazy world.. “Self deception while deceiving others” (zi-qi-qi-ren) gripped the nation.”

        We are currently dealing with some seriously self deluded people in this country.

  4. Lulu says:

    “No,” Alex Conant said when asked if the border would need to be secured before a President Rubio’s legislative amnesty for recipients of Obama’s 2012 DACA would replace that executive amnesty.

    Rubio intends to, if elected to the White House—as he laid out in a Spanish-language interview with Univision’s Jorge Ramos this weekend and was subsequently confirmed by Conant—eventually undo DACA. But he would not do so until there is a legislative replacement that provides the legal status—or amnesty—to DACA recipients on a permanent basis.”

    What exactly is Rubio doing? Do he and his staff just say whatever his corporate sponsors want? This hair splitting and hole digging is getting boring fast. And the media’s love and attention and why is becoming obvious.

    • lildoggy4u says:

      Rubio’s responses depend on what language is being spoken during the interview.

    • Somebody says:

      Rubio is for amnesty….end….of…..subject. He can parse words and play games, but he is now and has always been for amnesty. That’s what you’ll get with Rubio, anybody that believes otherwise is a damn fool. Look at his record, go way back and look at his record in Florida before he ran for senate.

      He only talked tough on immigration in order to get the tea party vote and get elected to the US senate. He had to run to the right of Crist in order to win the primary and motivating the tea party was the way to do that, it was 2010 after all, the year of the tea party.

      Another thing you’ll get with Rubio is damn near another Bush. Rubio’s mentor was Jeb Bush, Jeb punched Marco’s ticket. There is a little bit of a power struggle right now between the two because Marco got really big for his britches, but trust me Jeb and the Bush family have a lot of sway with Marco.

      As a side note, Marco Rubio’s office annoys the shit out of me. He’s my senator and I let him know how I feel about amnesty, as well as a few other things. He can’t respond to me as my elected representative; but the SOB sure as hell knows how to contact me and beg me for money.

      • DeniseVB says:

        What ? Not even a form letter with an auto-pen signature in return ? You should so write him with that “contact me for money” line 😀

        Our state delegate sends out newsletters about what he’s up to and how/why he’s voting certain ways. I see them as cleverly disguised campaign letters that uses free franked postage and official letterhead to make him even seem more important.

  5. Dora says:

    Not new to us, but see what they are saying on Arab TV.

    New Revelation About Obama’s Past Explains Why He’s Pushing Iran Deal

    • DeniseVB says:

      Dinesh D’Souza nailed this years ago, and Obama was still re-elected. It’s Daddy Issues on Steroids ! The movie 2016 was released in 2012 …..

      • Dora says:

        Hubby and I saw it in the movie theater. At the end of the film, people were so stunned that they remained in their seats for several minutes in total silence. The problem was that the theater wasn’t even half full and those who made up the audience were mostly older folks. Young people weren’t interested. It’s too bad the movie didn’t get a longer run.

        • DeniseVB says:

          Sadly, it seems to be coming true. Gotta knock the USA down a couple of pegs just because they deserve to be. Thanks Obama.

          When I was looking for the trailer, I ran across several “reviews”. Typically, righties gave it 5* and the lefties 1*.

        • Lulu says:

          They will watch it in a few years when trying to figure out how they got so screwed. Some kind of tipping point is coming. I have no idea what but perceptions and attitudes are moving around.

      • mothy67 says:

        Amazon has few one stars and many of those actually sing the films praises. Tricky little buggers.

  6. cynic says:

    … “Somewhat more broadly, I will suggest that animals should be permitted to bring suit, with human beings as their representatives, to prevent violations of current law.” — Cass Sunstein

  7. DeniseVB says:

    Let me get this straight, had this woman gone to an abortion clinic the day before her babies were born, she wouldn’t be going to jail ?

    • elliesmom says:

      When I was being pushed into feminism going after abortion rights over the ERA, one of the things the abortion side of the debate said was access to safe, legal abortions would make it “unnecessary” for women to commit infanticide. Abortion is safe, legal, and by no means rare. But apparently some women still “need” to kill their babies after they’re born. I agree with you that it makes no sense for this woman to be guilty of murder when someone else who has a full term abortion isn’t, but I still want her to go to jail. There would be few threats to a mother’s life at the end of a pregnancy that delivery of the baby wouldn’t solve as easily as an abortion would so absent that threat, the women who abort a full term fetus should be sitting right along side of her.

      • DeniseVB says:

        I often suggest to young men and women to see a pretty accurate portrayal of pre-RoevWade, and NO, we’re never going back to those days ….. Love with the Proper Stranger comes up occassionally on TCM …..

        • DeniseVB says:

          Old trailers never showed the “icky” parts, but this movie dove into the underbelly of illegal abortions in all it’s back alley grimeyness.

          • 1539days says:

            The other side of that is you can use the “back alley” argument for anything. Look at Gosnell. He was doing illegal late-term abortions because no one else would. I’d prefer to make contraception easy to get (even if I sound like Sandra Fluke) and make most abortions illegal.

    • Propertius says:

      Abortion after the 21st week is illegal in Utah, so she’s still be in jail.

    • Lulu says:

      I would leave the moral out and just go with schizo. Giving power to crazy people with disordered thinking processes is a bad thing.

  8. Dora says:

    This is sickening! Where in the Bible does it say it’s permissible to abort unwanted children? Do the Clintons have their own set of gospels?

    Hillary Clinton: The Bible Is My ‘Biggest Influence’

  9. DeniseVB says:

    Why can’t Hillary just release her emails ? When the AP filed a FOIA for Sarah’s governor emails, she released them right away …. then they realized she was a pretty darn good gov afterall, but that didn’t make the news 🙂

    • DeniseVB says:

      I’ve noticed a HClinton/MObama team is the dream ticket for many on the left. What happened to our Democratic Party ?

      • Lulu says:

        I think this is just malarkey to keep voters who primarily vote based on race interested in Dems. They know the fall off in voting without a black candidate is going to be huge. Mobama has never run for anything and is not disciplined enough to debate. It is just blather. She wants her executive board money for post-presidency where she only has to show up twice a year for a one hour meeting.

      • piper says:

        Derangement / insanity is galloping thru the party with solution being to make them pay humongous federal and state taxes. Take the freebies away, make them follow the rules they propose on others and live like the Soviets did back in the day or like the Cubans under the feudal Castro brothers.

        • DeniseVB says:

          If the USA is so terrible, why don’t they move? Like to Cuba ?

          I remember an episode on House Hunters International a couple looking for a home in one of the ‘Stans just after a revolution of sorts. They thought it would be exciting to live in a fresh new country and “make a difference” there. That’s where we should send the snowflakes 🙂

          • Dora says:

            My governor, Andrew Cuomo, is in Cuba already. First politician to visit since the new Obama policy. He should know how many of us New Yorkers wish he would stay there. 🙂

          • DeniseVB says:

            Dora, I wonder if Hillary could have beat Cuomo ? The timing for that election was perfect for her in 2008 post-primary months. She should have gone for that.

    • Lulu says:

      They have been trying to shut him up for quiet a while and have his ex-friends and students attacking him now. People West helped for decades are now being brought in to tear him apart. Organized dehumanization just means he is getting to them.

  10. Dora says:

    Can’t worry about speed limits when there is money to be raised.

    Scooby hits the road at 92 MPH! Secret Service zooms Hillary to dinner through driving rain following secret afternoon house party

  11. piper says:

    Testing whether I can walk, scratch my head and eat a banana at the same time. Need to know what to do with the banana peel?
    My level of disgust is growing expontially by the day. Since I campaigned, donated and voted for Hillary, I’ve been the recipient of many invitations to ‘stand with her.’ Although the temptation is overwhelming at times to write, ‘never again, your betrayal of all of us lead to one of the worst time in government / country which will take years to overcome and have indebted our great grandchildren,’ I decided to file the invitation for historical value.

    • Lulu says:

      I don’t think she is going to be around campaigning that much longer. The Obama-media with advice from the WH has decided on the foreign money while SOS narrative which might even be true. Why she thought working for these shitheads (and making herself complicit) would lead to different outcome from the media and the Obama-ites from 2008 is beyond me.

      • DeniseVB says:

        I’m sorta keeping an eye on dkos and du to see what candidates are being pushed on each other now. 2007 was a bloodbath on those sites, so far it seems pretty quiet.

        • elliesmom says:

          I think O’Malley is the sacrificial lamb. He’ll say he’s running. He’ll criticize Hillary. Do some damage. They’ll dump on him for it, but then say, “But you know what? Someone with GOOD ideas should run against her.” The new person in the race will be able to reinforce what O’Malley has said because, well, you know it’s already out there. I know the progs would like it to be Warren, but she isn’t stupid. When she leaves the cocoon the Boston Globe spun for her, there will be media that will go digging. She’s buried a lot I suspect she doesn’t want dug up. If you’re running as the darling of the left, representing the downtrodden and the AGW folks at the same time, I’m not sure you want the Cherokee Nation against you.

          • Myiq2xu says:

            Hillary wants someone like O’Malley to run so she can use him like punching bag/sparring partner. Someone she can practice debating against while staying in the news.

            If she doesn’t get a challenger she will have a hard time staying in the news as the GOP primary heats up.

      • DeniseVB says:

        I just commented to Dora above, I wonder if Hillary could have beat Cuomo for NY Gov ? I think Bill served as gov for 8 years, you’d think it would have crossed her mind to go for the executive experience ? SoS did not shore up her foreign policy creds that’s for sure. First bad decision? And it’s a biggie.

        • Dora says:

          That’s very hard to say. As things are now, she could beat him in a New York minute, but Cuomo was very popular back then. He won his first election quite handily. It’s only after having him in office for a while that the people began changing their minds about him. Especially after he told conservatives they were not welcome in his state and that his goal was to make NYC the abortion capital of the country. Turing the city into America’s killing fields was not what most of the voters had in mind. And his arrogance turned people off. Although he won his re-election, he did quite poorly. That’s why his name was taken out of consideration for the big prize.

        • 1539days says:

          She could have beaten Spitzer.

  12. 49erDweet says:

    If only Jeb would change his surname…………..

  13. Dora says:

    This is Sharpton’s idea! Who the hell is running things in Washington?

    EXCLUSIVE: Proposed federal rules for NYPD training include Cop 101 advice like ‘don’t be racist’

  14. foxyladi14 says:


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  16. elliesmom says:

    Disclaimer on a thread about make-up on a feminist blog. The thread is “make-up positive”.

    “Please note, as always, that advice should be not be offered to an individual person unless they solicit it. Further: This thread is open to everyone—women, men, genderqueer folks. People who are make-up experts, and people who are make-up newbies. Also, because there is a lot of racist language used in discussions of make-up, and in make-up names, please be aware to avoid turns of phrase that are alienating to women of color, like “nude” or “flesh tone” when referring to a peachy or beige color. I realize some recommended products may have names that use these words, so please be considerate about content noting for white supremacist (and/or Orientalist) product naming.”

  17. Dora says:

    I don’t know why anyone should be surprised that Hillary is surprised.

    Hillary Clinton ‘Surprised’ That Small Businesses Are Struggling

    Read more at:

    • 49erDweet says:

      I think Hil is “surprised” it’s 2015, but that’s not important.

    • 1539days says:

      The big problem with Hillary is that she didn’t like Obama’s campaign shenanigans, but she never really seemed to disagree with most of the things he did as president. That’s kind of scary when you’re decided if you’ll vote for her.

  18. DeniseVB says:

    I clicked on the link so you don’t have to. It’s pretty graphic and disturbing, especially if you’re an animal lover. What’s even more disturbing, this is what outrages the left? Not Christian beheadings or tossing gays off buildings ?

    • Lulu says:

      Yes because humans are evil, have original (social) sin, must be eradicated and the gentle beasts allowed to retake over the earth. These are the new Puritans. And they are crazy. I’m thinking Persia is doing some of this stuff just to piss off the “decadent” west. And Muslims don’t like dogs.

    • Myiq2xu says:

      Obama’s response: “That’s such a waste. Why don’t they just eat them?”

  19. HELENK3 says:

    do not know whether to laugh or cry.
    the words ‘ death to America” seem pretty clear to me

    • Lulu says:

      It is just something they say and don’t mean. Kind of like “Black Lives Matter” when they obviously don’t in Chicago.

      • leslie says:

        That’s not true, Lulu. “Black Lives Matter” in Chicago when it’s someone other than blacks who are doing the killings.

  20. foxyladi14 says:

    Sad 🙂

  21. foxyladi14 says:

    Sadder!!! 👿

    • Lulu says:

      It is very handy if you don’t want to take care of your kids just to say they are everybody’s responsibility too. Collecti-vise shit you don’t want to do or pay for.

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