It’s Time To Dump The Stars And Bars


Philip Klein:

The Confederacy was formed to preserve and expand the brutal institution of slavery, and then its proponents subsequently tried to disguise their motivations in lofty language about states’ rights.

Naval War College professor Mackubin Thomas Owens has noted that after the Civil War, Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens wrote a revisionist history A Constitutional View of the Late War Between the States, which helped popularize the idea that the war was really about states’ rights.

But in his infamous “corner-stone” speech delivered in March 1861, just before the start of the war, Stephens made a much different argument about what the war was really about. He argued that nation’s Founders, though allowing slavery to remain, were ultimately convinced that it was an evil institution that would eventually go away. “Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong,” he said. “They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error.”

In contrast, he explained, “Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition.”

The importance of defending slavery was reflected in the declarations of secession from Texas, Georgia, South Carolina and Mississippi.

For instance, the Mississippi declaration reads at the outset: “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world.”

These were the ideals that were being fought for on the battlefield under the banner of the flag that some people still claim as a symbol of courage. Fighting courageously to preserve a monstrous evil is nothing to celebrate or honor, which conservatives should be the first to recognize.

As Reihan Salam pointed out at the National Review, back in 2000, Georgia’s state government commissioned a study on its own state flag, and it identified that the history of the Confederate battle flag was somewhat complex.

“From the end of the Civil War until the late 1940s, display of the battle flag was mostly limited to Confederate commemorations, Civil War re-enactments, and veterans’ parades,” the study read. But “In 1948, the battle flag began to take on a different meaning when it appeared at the Dixiecrat convention in Birmingham as a symbol of southern protest and resistance to the federal government — displaying the flag then acquired a more political significance after this convention.” Then it became associated with the fight to preserve segregation and racist violence, waved by Alabama Gov. George Wallace and the Ku Klux Klan.

Once again, the flag, the concept of state defiance of the federal government, and a wicked institution were all wrapped together. In breaking down segregation, the federal government claimed vast new powers that it exerted in other areas, and the U.S. Supreme Court augmented Washington’s ability to regulate activity through the Commerce Clause.

To this day, any argument modern conservatives try to make about restrictions on federal power inevitably leads back to the question of whether the same principle of federal restraint should have allowed segregation to persist. Conservatives who try to defend the flag (or who are afraid to criticize it) are only reinforcing the perception that supporters of limited government don’t really care about the historical or modern day struggles of black Americans.

Even though the flag no longer rests on the top of the South Carolina capitol dome, it still remains on the grounds of the capitol, serving as an ugly reminder of dark legacies in American history that continue to haunt the nation and damage the cause of limited government. It’s long past time to tear down this flag.

I’ve heard all the arguments in favor of the Confederate flag. They’re mostly bullshit. Yes, it’s a free country and people have a right to wave whatever flag they want, or no flag at all. But having the right to do something doesn’t make it the right thing to do.

If you go around waving the Nazi flag you will offend some people. The Nazi flag, the swastika and other symbols of the Third Reich are associated with a brutal war, dictatorship and the Holocaust. I don’t care if you are waving it because you are of German ancestry and you want to honor tradition and the bravery of German soldiers.

Slavery was evil. Jim Crow segregation was evil. The Confederate flag symbolizes both. Anyone who flies that flag discredits himself and the causes and parties he supports.

As the Beatles’ song says, “But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow.”

The Confederate flag is not the reason that Dylann Storm Front went on a murderous rampage, but it’s time to retire the “Stars and Bars”. Long past time.



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80 Responses to It’s Time To Dump The Stars And Bars

  1. SHV says:

    FWIW pedantry….The flag that is commonly called “Stars and Bars” or the “Confederate Flag” was/is the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. The first national flag of the CSA, “Stars and Bars” looks very different.

  2. Myiq2xu says:

  3. I’m with you on this.
    I also wish people would stop saying, “If only someone had a carrying permit in that church.” They didn’t and even if they had, they probably wouldn’t carry in church. The morals of the church goers were fundamentally different than Roof’s. What he did is so beyond any garden-variety evil. Churches have been sanctuary for thousands of years and one should not have to arm oneself to worship.

  4. Dora says:

    It’s all coming out now!

    Revealed: ‘Manifesto’ where killer unveils Charleston as target of church massacre, calls black people ‘stupid and violent’ and complains there’s ‘no real KKK’ to help him

  5. lildoggy4u says:

    In Tennessee where am from we always recognized the confederate flag on pickups as a sign the driver was an asshole.

    • GMTA. You speak the truth!
      In fact, driving around in “them thar hills” or southern Alabama or south Georgia (I am from Georgia) it can really give you the CREEPS bigtime when at the end of some long driveway is a confederate flag tacked to a twisted pole. You know there is creepiness lurking behind the front door.

      • Dora says:

        Are you both talking about years ago, or is it still like that now? Just wondering. I was under the impression that things were changing as we get further away from the 60s and more northerners are moving down south. Especially retired seniors.

  6. Myiq2xu says:
  7. lyn says:

  8. angienc says:

    I’m not waving any confederate flags but I don’t give a fuck if anyone else does. And while I agree with Romney’s sentiment and think it would be a good gesture, I certainly won’t presume to tell anyone else whether to fly it or not or that it’s time to “retire” it.
    Roof is a crazy motherfucker. That’s all.

    • elliesmom says:

      Black people in South Carolina are safer and treated with more respect than they are in any of the liberal northern cities they can afford to live in in spite of whatever flag people in SC choose to display. The only people who continue to fight “the War of Northern Aggression” are proving that was an apt name for the war. We need to let the people of SC grieve and decided for themselves how to honor their dead.

      • angienc says:

        Exactly elliesmom. WMCB posted this WSJ article on Facebook that says it perfectly. While I am impressed with the grace Charlestonians have shown with this tragedy, I am not suprised. And if the northern media members are as surprised as they seem to be they need to reexamine their stereotypes of the “bible thumpin’ South.” Because this is who we are. Every. Day.

    • foxyladi14 says:

      Yepper!!!! 😯

  9. HELENK3 says:

    putting away the Confederate Flag with the family heirlooms that tell a history is a good idea.
    The time is past for that Flag .It is a symbol of a nation divided. We can not afford it in this time of history. As Lincoln said ” A Nation Divided Can Not Stand” We have enemies within and without who are trying to divide and bring this great nation down. Do not give them symbols to use.

  10. DandyTIger says:

    When I see the confederate battle flag flying, on a truck, or whatever, I assume it’s a low life asshole. If it’s a contractor, I don’t hire them. Civil war history is amazing and fascinating, and you don’t grow up in VA without a lot of it. But anyone who thinks that slavery was good should try being a slave. Idiots. I don’t care if anyone wears or flies the flag, it’s a handy indicator of people to avoid. A government organization should absolutely not use that symbol. Period.

  11. jeffhas says:

    What the heck does the Confederate flag have to do with the SC shooting? Because Dylan Roof had one on his car? – That’s some thin linkage in my book. His car was Black too – what the heck is the hidden meaning there? – shouldn’t we have a meaningful gesture to highlight the blackness of his car?

    Maybe my give a damn is still kinda broke – although (As someone else already said) I do think people who have the Confederate Flag pasted to their car or garage door are ‘saying something’ about themselves (that isn’t something I necessarily want to associate with) – BUT, freedom of speech and all that.

    I’m for letting SC vote (or referendum) to have or not have the flag as a symbol in their State. It’s their State – let them decide if they want to look like punks or not. I’m just tired of the ‘Powerful Symbolism Response’ or ‘Meaningful Gesture Response’… with regard to r*cism/r*ce relations/the r*cial divide in America, a little more ‘action’ by our leaders would seem much more in order then taking down the flag, which is just another lazy way out of the hard work necessary to resolve a problem…. but that seems to be the way of our world now.

    • Myiq2xu says:

      White on black racial violence is rare these days. The Left finally got the incident they have been searching for. You have to expect them to celebrate.

    • The linkage is a little more than that. South Carolina flies the flag over its capital.

      As with the Klown and others, I’m not into making anybody do anything, but as an American, I get to have an opinion if I want to. My opinion is that there’s no place in institutional life for that particular flag, and it would be an appropriate gesture if it were taken down.

      • jeffhas says:

        American opinion noted and respected for sure.

        So do the Feds get to take the flag down? or does the state of SC get to have the final say?

        Agreed it would be an ‘appropriate gesture’ – but gestures are really meaningless… and be wary of the precedent you set – when the next shooting takes place, what (or which flag) do we sacrifice to keep up the gestures?

    • 49erDweet says:

      Jesshaus is on to something. And I blame the bowl cut! I think it’s time we have a national discussion on bowl cuts.

  12. Myiq2xu says:

    • jeffhas says:

      She really is going after Obama supporters! Game On.

      PS: what about her privilege? Shouldn’t she give it all away and live like a pauper? – I mean she didn’t ‘earn’ it if she benefitted from ‘the privilege’?

      PPS: what a disappointment.

      • lyn says:

        White privilege is the boogeyman that the elite created to keep the white sheeple in line. I refuse to vote for anyone who divides us by race.

        • jeffhas says:

          “I refuse to vote for anyone who divides us by race.”

          I like that policy. I hope you don’t mind, but I’m appropriating that policy too!

      • On your PS, I was thinking the same thing. Can we start with her millions upon millions?

        On your PPS, #TrueStory!

        • Dora says:

          I can hardly believe she said this in her speech! What the hell is she thinking?

          “Even though I am a old rich white lady I identify as a poor black child.” Hillary Clinton

          • jeffhas says:

            “I was born a poor black child”

            She should just hire Steve Martin as her speechwriter

            At least then we’d know it was supposed to be comedy.

          • leslie says:

            Did she consult with Rachel (Racial) Dolezal on that statement? And FTR: this is the first time HRC has ever said that (at least in the context of being a candidate) that I’m aware of. And I followed her campaign pretty faithfully in 2008.

  13. 49erDweet says:

    Absolutely a useful indicator of people who self-identify as potentially dangerous idiots.

  14. Myiq2xu says:

    Obviously he must be a liberal.

  15. NewOrleans says:

    Meanwhile . . .

    New Orleans police officer shot dead while transporting an arrested person

    • 49erDweet says:

      SMH. Single officer transports are really, really troublesome. Cuffs are good for about 5 minutes. After that some other means of restraint needs to be in place. SMH.

      • 1539days says:

        The problem is that when the prisoner accidentally dies in the transport truck, even the Black officers involved are called racist.

  16. piper says:

    Another tragedy – not here but in Austria. The weapon a car that killed 2 and injured more than 30. Wonder if obambi will send condolences and/or speak about this tragic and heinous crime.

  17. Myiq2xu says:
  18. leslie says:

    Maybe the mayor and the AG can come up with the funds. They seemed to be kind of – I don’t know – supportive of the rioting.

  19. elliesmom says:

    The US flag flew over a country that supported slavery longer than the Confederate flag did. The US flag was carried into battle when white men fought against Native Americans, stole their land and forced them onto reservations. We flew the American flag over Japanese internment camps during WWII. If the people of South Carolina are forced to surrender their flag because it represents a time in our history that is shameful to them, then rest of us should surrender our flag, too, Should they choose to do that voluntarily, that’s a different story.

    • lyn says:

      You are so right.

    • Myiq2xu says:

      I don’t think they should be forced to take down the Confederate flag. I think they should, but that’s just my opinion. It should be pointed out that the Arkansas flag was designed to honor the Confederacy. That’s the flag that flew outside Bill and Hillary’s home for several years.

    • jeffhas says:

      I had not thought of this situation in those terms. Very compelling argument. Thank you for the added insight.

      I often wonder what the world would look like if the South had won the war. No doubt slavery would’ve ended pretty quickly – it’s not like the South was Brazil.

      … but would the South basically be another country – akin to say Germany to England (France). World War II ended and the world let Germany rebuild itself – no one absorbed it autonomously.

      I’m not arguing for slavery or that the South SHOULD have won, just sometimes ponder what might have happened…

      • 1539days says:

        Libertarians are big on this intellectual argument. I think Andrew Napolitano talked about this on Cavuto one time. Lincoln abused a lot of executive authority to win the war that he was responsible for setting off. I suspect he would have never admitted defeat and would have lost the election of 1868 if the war dragged on that long (or if he ran for a third term).

        Since slaves had their housing, food and (marginal) medical care paid for by their owners, the practice would have become too costly in the wake of the industrial revolution. The Progressive Era a few decades later would have chipped away at slavery, likely through taxation. A salve tax was outlined in the Constitution itself.

    • 1539days says:

      Not the ones with 50 STARS though.

      So, they just need to add more stars to the bars.

    • taw46 says:

      And if they remove the Confederate flag, where does it stop? Is that enough? There are already people on Twitter calling for all Confederate monuments around the South to be removed, as well as all streets named after Confederates.

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  21. HELENK3 says:

    there is such a beautiful double rainbow over the lake out side my patio

  22. DeniseVB says:

    In 1993, an angry black man shot up a Long Island Railroad car. I remember it was horrific and senseless. The nation was heartbroken, but I don’t remember Colin Ferguson succeeding in starting a race war ? I just remember the crazy trial where he fired his defense attorney and represented himself. Ahh, the old CourtTV days. He’s now serving about 325 years.

  23. swanspirit says:

    The flag is an easy target, and not a solution to the problem, but I guess people who feel helpless in the face of insanity and hatred might feel as if they are doing something, or have accomplished something, by bringing it down. Sometimes a symbolic gesture is all that is available to us.
    I personally think the Confederate flag is an anachronism, and has outlived its usefulness, even as a symbol. Whenever I see it, I think, hello, you um, lost, you want to remember that? It is not as offensive to me as the swastika, which is very offensive to me ; so I can see how it might be extremely offensive to others.

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